I backed the original Oculus Rift, and felt massively betrayed when they sold to Meta. :(
For years since I've been waiting for A VR solution that plays nice with Linux and is at least somewhat privacy-respecting, and I have been absolutely unwilling to buy a Quest device or anything else. I want to play VR but I'm not willing to sell my soul for it. So it's been an unhappy but conscious boycott from me.
I too then am super looking forward to the Steam Frame because it's the device I need to get back into VR and feel happy and excited about it, rather than disgusted.
That makes it sound like these startups have no choice in the matter. The funny thing is, you don't have to sell your company to an enormous evil corporation if you don't want to.
Depends on who your initial investors are and the contract you signed with them. They can and will force a sale if their RoI isn't met in a specific time-frame, or if the buyout price reaches a certain valuation.
Partly true but Amazon has been known to make dupes of a product and sell it at a loss to drive the competitor out of business. I'm sure that threat lingers in some peoples' minds.
They probably also promise the management team "you'll still have creative control after we buy you". Then turn around and replace each of them one by one
Yeah, I worked for an amazing company for 13 years, a big corporation bought it, and now I have my own business and my soul back. Same shit, "you'll still have full operating control" and then they moved everything to India.
I think the cure is identifying that it's all bullshit every time
I mean that's great but it doesn't stop everyone else from falling for it, and you having to pay the price accordingly.
I guess this is how I arrived at calling myself an "anti-technology technologist"
I just call myself a Luddite at this point. Any technology developed outside of FOSS just completely disinterests me. Everything else is assumed to be malware.
I got into cycling a few years' back. But of course technology is coming for bicycles too and all my riding buddies are just so amped about it and can't understand why I want absolutely nothing to do with it.
Is also dangerous to associate emerging technology with big tech, sure they make some and sell some at tempting discounted prices BUT they are not the only ones and when aiming so you leave then an open field.
Most people's goals are to not have to work for a living. Selling a successful startup allows for that to happen. Unfortunately, the startup needs to start making money after someone pays a lot of money for it, and we all know what happens next.
I just pick random shit. Pretty sure Steam thinks I'm 113 years old.
Admittedly this did backfire once when a company wanted my birthday to verify my ID to unlock an account. They were surprised I lied and I was surprised people don't.
Thankfully I haven't had to use any Meta products for a while now, and as far as Alphabet is considered I'll turn 126 years old on 01/01/2026 and live where my country's parliament building is. Because fuck them, that's why.
Mastodon is pretty awful still. Microblogging in general is awful but Mastodon has some particularly (in my opinion) awful fundamental design decisions. I don't want to hate on them, so I won't discuss what those things are. I appreciate that it exists and hope it does see more adoption but it's just not for me, and I don't know that it ever will be.
Add to that that I've never spoken to a human IRL that even knows what it is, and it's not because I don't ask. And that makes social media pretty unsocial.
Facebook has a ridiculous number of things you can do with a single account. On fedi those things all require different accounts and require people to follow all those different accounts. Bonfire looks like it may be a potential solution for that in the future.
Not saying that Facebook is great, at all, but that fedi isn't really a suitable alternative.
At the end of the day people obviously just don't care enough about any of these problems and have no self-respect and I've just pretty much sequestered myself from society entirely.
I’m glad that John Carmack is rich and intellectually stimulated, but watching him be wasted building Metaverse VR was like trying to remove my own teeth with a pair of pliers.
Well there is that but there's also that they're just trying to make the Metaverse happen, so to speak. Get as many people as possible onboarded and using the product and making it mainstream before recouping losses. Fortunately that's a stupid idea with no practical value and it seems they're starting to realize that so they've reallocated the budget to the next stupid thing they're trying to make happen with no practical value.
It's more than that. It's a hostile business move to corner the market and kill off other brands, they absolutely had the money to accomplish this. The brand image? They failed that speech check. Beyond that, there simply isn't enough interest in VR to make a killing off of a monopoly even if they had one.
A) sell at a loss to take smaller players off the board because they can't compete at those prices. Because they can't afford to sell at a loss.
B) speech check is an RPG saying. Basically they're trying to fool the user but the users didn't fall for it.
C) correct. He made a mistake thinking he could get people to use VR on a level like WALL-E or ready player one. He tried to make one dystopia happen and failed because we're not quite at the level of desperation that we need or can acceptably make VR vacations a viable product.
Yup, i paid my $1,000 for my index and it was the best purchase I ever made love that thing. I'm definitely getting a steam frame as well not because I don't love my index anymore but it would be nice to have something that is a little more flexible with the space.
It is about Facebook. Facebook makes the Meta Quest. It's a Facebook product. Just like Threads, Instagram, and WhatsApp are. And those Meta glasses that are ugly AF.
Officially it is Meta. Facebook is owned by Meta but the Quest headset is not a Facebook product.
I get it, it's easier to say Facebook for everything owned by Zuk, like saying Google for Youtube instead of Alphabet.
But it is not precise nor true and plenty of comments here are saying "just leave Facebook" while OP did not post about Facebook nor having a social media account there.
And TBH, I think all VR headset are kinda ugly, it's either big rectangle brick on your head or big round brick on your head.
This is super silly. They changed the technical arrangements of the company names, meta is still Facebook
Facebook is meta, nitpicking this point is absurd
Edit: I’d like to add that obfuscating Facebook/zucc from other products is literally the point of the rebranding and OP is suffering from exactly that, making whoever’s point im arguing with even more dangerous and dumb
It's not silly at all. There's a practical reason why they changed their name. Facebook is one of many products from the company. Facebook is Meta but Meta is not Facebook.
The "practical reason" is to distance themselves from the rep they've earned as slop-pushing privacy-invading child-abusing culture-destroying ghouls. Why would you go along with that?
I think it's pretty heavily implied that people are talking about a given tech giant's entire ecosystem when they say de-google, delete Facebook, Fuck Nestle- I mean, fuck Apple, etc. lol
I've had an account under a nickname for coordinating dog meetups for ages. One day the account was suddenly blocked without prior notice and the only way they would let me in again is by giving them my ID, which would not help as the account was under my nick and I would never give them my ID anyway. They didn't even let me delete that effing zombie account without identifying my name as real or even just change the Nick to something FB recognises as real name.
They'll ghost you even if you do give them everything they ask for. I can't even make a new account under my real name or anything close to it anymore.
It sucks it's the only realistic platform for discovering and getting info from interest groups in my area.
I'm not denying it's technically feasible. I do deny learned helplessness. I have limited energy in life. Using it on making a change I'm not passionate about is a recipe for severe burnout. If i get more involved and find there's sentiment towards a migration away from FB then I'd spend some energy on building and facilitating that. Barging in and making demands isn't an effective way to build community. You can introduce ideas and develop them over time to show that it comes from care for and dedication to the org.
So yeah it's unrealistic on the time scales I'm concerned with.
When you generalize your position about your available time and technical knowledge as the limiting factor for everybody you are not saying it's impossible for you, you're saying it's impossible for anybody and everybody. That's the problem. It's like saying "I don't like this food" versus "It tastes bad!". For you they are equivalent, for others they are totally different. I'm not saying you, or anybody else, should learn about self-hosting (federated) social platforms then set some up, what I'm rejecting instead is giving up pre-emptively on the behalf of others because it's giving power back to BigTech.
I haven't generalized anything beyond the extents of
my area geographically
The groups in my area which i interact with
An individuals weight within a community over time.
I have not said it's impossible to do for me and have made no claim on the ability for others to do it.
I'll give you so much as i didn't append "for me" or "in my situation" to every sentence, but the statements lay within the context provided in the rest of the post.
Setup a fake account. Use a friend's bday you'll remember. Its not hard. That's like saying "people who use email are dumb fucks" since they also ask for bdays.
My kids got one. We don't have FB accounts. I have pihole setup as my DNS, don't have cable, use Firefox and ublock, ads mean fuck all to me. I ride the high seas, have been since Napster. I pay for what I like, avoid what I don't.
I'm old enough that if there is something they don't know about me, it's not hard to find. People act like a company knowing their name and address is going to send them to a early grave or something.
You need to find your balance of security and convenience and learn to live your life.
It's hardware that can be used with SteamVR or load opensource VR apps directly onto it like DoomVR.
This is almost like someone complaining, "Facebook messenger is asking for my birthdate on the 120hz 1440p monitor that Facebook sold me for half price." and you reply, "People who bought a PC monitor are dumb fucks."
It is cheap 3d goggles that display what your PC sends it. Just like your monitor. You don't have to use Meta's software. You definitely don't need to use Meta's VR Chat app (That's Horizon that the OP references.)_
Meta is selling VR at a loss like a console where they make up the loss with software game sales. But unlike a Switch/PS5, you don't have to buy their games. So the real idiot is anyone who wants VR and doesn't buy a Meta product. Buying a Quest and then using SteamVR causes Meta to lose money.
I bought them for my kids. I didn't buy it until you could use it without a Facebook account.
I recognized the quote. But as I explained it doesn't apply because the dumb fucks are those that can't see buying a loss leader hardware product and then not using it the way they planned hurts Facebook.
Don't they already have shadow profiles on all of us, even if we don't use Facebook? I long ago figured that they're able to get ahold of all the info they want on us without our consent. Is tracking our habits and relationships not enough? Even if the idea is to use this as age verification, I highly doubt Facebook's as clueless as to not have a ballpark estimate on all of us by now. (Or did the introduction of AI break things so bad that they can no longer deduce the sort of data they want? Hey, I can dream.)
I've heard that, but I've searched for my name on Facebook and I never find anything about myself. My wife has a Facebook account, she has the app on her phone and tablet, and I've had cause to use it. Like she'll tell me to go into her messages and get a recipe or something. I don't read them, but we don't keep secrets from each other. Anyway, I'll be bored in a car ride and I'll start looking up my coworkers, and laugh at the dumb shit they post (that could identify them/their location to strangers). Once in a while I'll look myself up. I'm not a public figure, per se, but I do have imitators, so if you look my name up, first and last, a couple profiles will come up, but they have nothing to do with me and they don't have any information that matches mine. I don't know if those are the "shadow profiles" people talk about, but they are not a threat to me.
I've heard that, but I've searched for my name on Facebook and I never find anything about myself
Yeah, you won't. That's why they're called shadow profiles. But if one day you do sign up you'll find Facebook already knows who all of your friends are and what your interests are, etc.
Interesting. So would it be better to not sign up at all and let it guess, or sign up and poison it with false information? I'm leaning toward the former.
Was unaware of the steam frame, thanks for putting them on my radar! Wonder how they'll fare as a monitor replacement for dev work. I've seen people use the apple goggles for that because they're pretty high res. Seemed pretty cool
Whatsapp is the one i still feel pressure to almost use even though i deleted fb over 5 years ago. Whenever somebody travels out of country I get an invite to whatsapp that I turn down.
just set it to the January 1st of whichever year would make you 13 when you registered your account 😏 (I remember a platform deleting the account of someone when they, years later, revealed that they were under 13 when they registered)
I understand there's arguments about "this is not new, they've been working on VR for a decade" - fine, but it's Zuckerberg, who apparently never does anything in good faith (see: the Winklevoss twins, Whatsapp, Snapchat, Libra, etc)
I'm sure they only have VR in order to onboard people to blue app. People have gotten banned and their only recourse is to buy an Oculus. Convenient.
Wasn’t that the obvious deal from the beginning? You buy the subsidized hardware and ignore Facebook’s gravity as long as you can. That’s the catch for the low price.
Anyone who thought otherwise is, well, thinking wishfully.
I'll sell them my birth date information. They already got their filthy lucre from buying and selling my name all over the place, why shouldn't I get a cut from things I own?
Bruh im looking at buying a used quest 2 because they offer such a compelling value. But seriously do I have to make an account just to use the damn thing? What if I only use it teathered to my pc?
I have one that I used to use with my PC (switched to linux and it's a pain in the ass to do is why I stopped). I would still have to log in to start the app to hook to my PC.
Basically bs when it comes to Android. Android will run offline, with no account, degoogled, fully non-gms, or all of the above. As well as inside and outside containers, emulators and virtual machines.
(Some devices and vendors may lead to less choice than others.)
I backed the original Oculus Rift, and felt massively betrayed when they sold to Meta. :(
For years since I've been waiting for A VR solution that plays nice with Linux and is at least somewhat privacy-respecting, and I have been absolutely unwilling to buy a Quest device or anything else. I want to play VR but I'm not willing to sell my soul for it. So it's been an unhappy but conscious boycott from me.
I too then am super looking forward to the Steam Frame because it's the device I need to get back into VR and feel happy and excited about it, rather than disgusted.
Palmer Lucky turning into a Bond villain wasn't exactly something I expected when I first saw him pushing the original Kickstarter Oculus
This has been such a depressing trend over the last few decades.
Fresh bright-eyed startup with a passionate creator develops some interesting and innovative product.
Gets bought out by FAANG, turns to shit and stops working properly or gets discontinued, and primarily functions as a spyware device.
That makes it sound like these startups have no choice in the matter. The funny thing is, you don't have to sell your company to an enormous evil corporation if you don't want to.
Depends on who your initial investors are and the contract you signed with them. They can and will force a sale if their RoI isn't met in a specific time-frame, or if the buyout price reaches a certain valuation.
Partly true but Amazon has been known to make dupes of a product and sell it at a loss to drive the competitor out of business. I'm sure that threat lingers in some peoples' minds.
They probably also promise the management team "you'll still have creative control after we buy you". Then turn around and replace each of them one by one
Yeah, I worked for an amazing company for 13 years, a big corporation bought it, and now I have my own business and my soul back. Same shit, "you'll still have full operating control" and then they moved everything to India.
In capitalism you do. Society demands it.
No, not really. But if you don't sell you don't get a lot of money and mostly that's what people want, that's why the startup exists.
That's just the inevitable endgame in a capitalistic society. Most startups' end goals at inception are to sell out to a corporation.
I mean that's great but it doesn't stop everyone else from falling for it, and you having to pay the price accordingly.
I just call myself a Luddite at this point. Any technology developed outside of FOSS just completely disinterests me. Everything else is assumed to be malware.
I got into cycling a few years' back. But of course technology is coming for bicycles too and all my riding buddies are just so amped about it and can't understand why I want absolutely nothing to do with it.
Went from e-bike to fixie and ironically enough this isn't a joke. I'm happier and healthier now.
Is also dangerous to associate emerging technology with big tech, sure they make some and sell some at tempting discounted prices BUT they are not the only ones and when aiming so you leave then an open field.
Fortunately, GabeN shows no interest in selling Valve to anyone.
Yeah they're largely an anomaly in that regard.
Most people's goals are to not have to work for a living. Selling a successful startup allows for that to happen. Unfortunately, the startup needs to start making money after someone pays a lot of money for it, and we all know what happens next.
Same, still got the devkit 1 and 2 in my cellar.
Really looking forward to the Steam Frame to finally get standalone VR without Meta involvement.
Have they sent out Dev kits yet? I know a game dev who is making a VR game on steam and he's had nothing but radio silence from valve.
Haven't heard anything yet.
Steam creator is also a Linux fan boy btw
It's infuriating, really.
Add 1 Jan 1970.
At least be exact! 1970-01-01T00:00:00.000Z.
Or if they allow it, just 0
I just pick random shit. Pretty sure Steam thinks I'm 113 years old.
Admittedly this did backfire once when a company wanted my birthday to verify my ID to unlock an account. They were surprised I lied and I was surprised people don't.
4-20-1969
1969-04-20
I see ISO 8601, I upvote. Simple as.
Nice.
20-04-1969
24-7-69
I swear once at 2nd grade I saw a doctor write a date like this and then did it only to get a long scolding by my teacher.
I've seen that date mentioned before. What is the reference?
Idk, just seemed funny 😅
Oh, I see now. 69. 24/7.
ante diem xx Kalendas Maias de anno MMDCCXXII ab urbe condita
Where'd you get the XX from? I believe that, counting inclusively, it should be 12 days from Apr 20th to Mai 1st, so a.d. xii Kal. Maias
you are correct. I did it for the gag, really, so most people could parse it.
The downvote?
Shitty formatting YYYYMMDD sorts chronologically and alphabetically
And with minor formatting is the actual ISO standard.
I just set mine to the beginning of time: Jan 01, 1970.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Year_2038_problem
Thankfully I haven't had to use any Meta products for a while now, and as far as Alphabet is considered I'll turn 126 years old on 01/01/2026 and live where my country's parliament building is. Because fuck them, that's why.
I can't even access any Fakebook crap, because I have blocked any Zuckerbot service since a long time. It don't exist anymore for me in the web.
Desktop app Portmaster
I deleted Facebook 12 years ago. Just join me on the fediverse like Mbin or Mastodon.
Do you do much buying and selling of used goods?
In my area, Facebook Marketplace is unparalleled, alternatives such as Craigslist don't come close.
The Netherlands has marktplaats app for this. Our local app in our country. No fb needed.
This is not my being snarky, but I bet you didn't. I bet you "deleted it" and Facebook will happily reactivate it for you any time they want
So Zuck can boast about "hAvInG 3 bIllIoN uSeRs"
true, you can't trust them.. so who knows.
Mastodon is pretty awful still. Microblogging in general is awful but Mastodon has some particularly (in my opinion) awful fundamental design decisions. I don't want to hate on them, so I won't discuss what those things are. I appreciate that it exists and hope it does see more adoption but it's just not for me, and I don't know that it ever will be.
Add to that that I've never spoken to a human IRL that even knows what it is, and it's not because I don't ask. And that makes social media pretty unsocial.
Facebook has a ridiculous number of things you can do with a single account. On fedi those things all require different accounts and require people to follow all those different accounts. Bonfire looks like it may be a potential solution for that in the future.
Not saying that Facebook is great, at all, but that fedi isn't really a suitable alternative.
At the end of the day people obviously just don't care enough about any of these problems and have no self-respect and I've just pretty much sequestered myself from society entirely.
Try my project Mbin.
I’m glad that John Carmack is rich and intellectually stimulated, but watching him be wasted building Metaverse VR was like trying to remove my own teeth with a pair of pliers.
yup. absolute waste of a Carmack right there
That's oddly specific. Did you try that?Edit: English is not my main language, and I did not think over the meaning of "pliers".
Come on now, I think everyone's tried the ol' teeth-with-pliers trick at least once in their life.
on that note I finally deleted facebook. Goodbye meta!
Better late than never!
I feel like posting about Facebook on /c/Privacy is like posting a photo of the dictionary definition of surveillance. Like, YEAH. WE KNOW.
Because it is not a post about Facebook but about the VR Headset Quest 2 and/or 3.
Sadly, the Meta Quest is kind of the best deal in the PC VR world.
There’s a reason it’s the cheapest. You pay with your privacy.
Well there is that but there's also that they're just trying to make the Metaverse happen, so to speak. Get as many people as possible onboarded and using the product and making it mainstream before recouping losses. Fortunately that's a stupid idea with no practical value and it seems they're starting to realize that so they've reallocated the budget to the next stupid thing they're trying to make happen with no practical value.
It's more than that. It's a hostile business move to corner the market and kill off other brands, they absolutely had the money to accomplish this. The brand image? They failed that speech check. Beyond that, there simply isn't enough interest in VR to make a killing off of a monopoly even if they had one.
Huh? How do you figure that?
What?
You and I know that but it didn't stop Fuckerberg from sinking tens of billions of dollars into it.
A) sell at a loss to take smaller players off the board because they can't compete at those prices. Because they can't afford to sell at a loss.
B) speech check is an RPG saying. Basically they're trying to fool the user but the users didn't fall for it.
C) correct. He made a mistake thinking he could get people to use VR on a level like WALL-E or ready player one. He tried to make one dystopia happen and failed because we're not quite at the level of desperation that we need or can acceptably make VR vacations a viable product.
Yup, i paid my $1,000 for my index and it was the best purchase I ever made love that thing. I'm definitely getting a steam frame as well not because I don't love my index anymore but it would be nice to have something that is a little more flexible with the space.
It is about Facebook. Facebook makes the Meta Quest. It's a Facebook product. Just like Threads, Instagram, and WhatsApp are. And those Meta glasses that are ugly AF.
Officially it is Meta. Facebook is owned by Meta but the Quest headset is not a Facebook product. I get it, it's easier to say Facebook for everything owned by Zuk, like saying Google for Youtube instead of Alphabet.
But it is not precise nor true and plenty of comments here are saying "just leave Facebook" while OP did not post about Facebook nor having a social media account there.
And TBH, I think all VR headset are kinda ugly, it's either big rectangle brick on your head or big round brick on your head.
This is super silly. They changed the technical arrangements of the company names, meta is still Facebook
Facebook is meta, nitpicking this point is absurd
Edit: I’d like to add that obfuscating Facebook/zucc from other products is literally the point of the rebranding and OP is suffering from exactly that, making whoever’s point im arguing with even more dangerous and dumb
It's not silly at all. There's a practical reason why they changed their name. Facebook is one of many products from the company. Facebook is Meta but Meta is not Facebook.
The "practical reason" is to distance themselves from the rep they've earned as slop-pushing privacy-invading child-abusing culture-destroying ghouls. Why would you go along with that?
I mean, that would make sense if it actually achieved that. But it doesn't, because that describes all of their products.
I think it's pretty heavily implied that people are talking about a given tech giant's entire ecosystem when they say de-google, delete Facebook, Fuck Nestle- I mean, fuck Apple, etc. lol
It's all Facebook. Meta is a company made by Facebook, but it's all Facebook, or it's all Meta — same thing.
It might not have Facebook branding, but it's a Facebook product, or a Meta product. Again, same thing.
I believe they were talking about meta's literal smart glasses being ugly, not their VR headsets. They look really silly, the frame is way too thick.
I actually think the Quests are some of the better looking headsets.
Head in sand levels of cope
A difference without distinction.
Oh, goody! Maybe they'll send me a present! Can I send them my address, too, so they know where to mail it? Meta is so nice!
Just lie and make up a fake birthday
And a fake name.
And a fake face.
I don't think they care if its your real birthday. They just want the data. Deny them the data, don't use the service.
Is garbage data worse than no data?
No. It means you're still theirs and so badly you'll even lie for them. And you don't have the backbone to say no.
I use December 31, 1969. Before Unix time.
I've had an account under a nickname for coordinating dog meetups for ages. One day the account was suddenly blocked without prior notice and the only way they would let me in again is by giving them my ID, which would not help as the account was under my nick and I would never give them my ID anyway. They didn't even let me delete that effing zombie account without identifying my name as real or even just change the Nick to something FB recognises as real name.
They'll ghost you even if you do give them everything they ask for. I can't even make a new account under my real name or anything close to it anymore.
It sucks it's the only realistic platform for discovering and getting info from interest groups in my area.
you know of, I don't know where you live (nor do I want to) but alternatives do exist and if not you can self host some.
Ah shit you're right! They're going to love having their social media on stevesbasement.social. So accessible to the general public!
Your sarcasm and learned helplessness help BigTech. I didn't say it was easy, I said it was feasible.
I'm not denying it's technically feasible. I do deny learned helplessness. I have limited energy in life. Using it on making a change I'm not passionate about is a recipe for severe burnout. If i get more involved and find there's sentiment towards a migration away from FB then I'd spend some energy on building and facilitating that. Barging in and making demands isn't an effective way to build community. You can introduce ideas and develop them over time to show that it comes from care for and dedication to the org.
So yeah it's unrealistic on the time scales I'm concerned with.
When you generalize your position about your available time and technical knowledge as the limiting factor for everybody you are not saying it's impossible for you, you're saying it's impossible for anybody and everybody. That's the problem. It's like saying "I don't like this food" versus "It tastes bad!". For you they are equivalent, for others they are totally different. I'm not saying you, or anybody else, should learn about self-hosting (federated) social platforms then set some up, what I'm rejecting instead is giving up pre-emptively on the behalf of others because it's giving power back to BigTech.
I haven't generalized anything beyond the extents of
I have not said it's impossible to do for me and have made no claim on the ability for others to do it.
I'll give you so much as i didn't append "for me" or "in my situation" to every sentence, but the statements lay within the context provided in the rest of the post.
I went as far as scanning my passport for these @ssholes and they still banned me 😂 to this day I have no clue why
Because you're nothing to them
December 7, 1941.
How to tell the techs you're lying without telling the client
1 jan 1970
I do 1/1/1984 but also a good idea
1/1/1
People who bought this hardware are dumb fucks.
There really weren't any comparable standalone alternatives at the time. I just wanted to play some Beatsaber back then.
Paraphrasing the guy who owns the company.
Not that he wasn't entirely correct.
Setup a fake account. Use a friend's bday you'll remember. Its not hard. That's like saying "people who use email are dumb fucks" since they also ask for bdays.
God forbid people enjoy some vr.
You think that's all they collect? You bought one, didn't you?
My kids got one. We don't have FB accounts. I have pihole setup as my DNS, don't have cable, use Firefox and ublock, ads mean fuck all to me. I ride the high seas, have been since Napster. I pay for what I like, avoid what I don't.
I'm old enough that if there is something they don't know about me, it's not hard to find. People act like a company knowing their name and address is going to send them to a early grave or something.
You need to find your balance of security and convenience and learn to live your life.
Your...name and address? What century is this?
You keep asking questions and providing nothing. Put up or shut up.
You want my name and address? That seems kind of rude. Why?
In what way did I ask for that?
Even if rooted and used without account via PrivateQuest?
Cassandrafatigue doesn't know anything about what they are talking about.
Fitting username at least.
It's hardware that can be used with SteamVR or load opensource VR apps directly onto it like DoomVR.
This is almost like someone complaining, "Facebook messenger is asking for my birthdate on the 120hz 1440p monitor that Facebook sold me for half price." and you reply, "People who bought a PC monitor are dumb fucks."
It is cheap 3d goggles that display what your PC sends it. Just like your monitor. You don't have to use Meta's software. You definitely don't need to use Meta's VR Chat app (That's Horizon that the OP references.)_
Meta is selling VR at a loss like a console where they make up the loss with software game sales. But unlike a Switch/PS5, you don't have to buy their games. So the real idiot is anyone who wants VR and doesn't buy a Meta product. Buying a Quest and then using SteamVR causes Meta to lose money.
I'm paraphrasing the guy who owns it. A known and verified quote that was leaked years ago.
I'd ask how you don't know this but it's pretty clear you bought one.
I bought them for my kids. I didn't buy it until you could use it without a Facebook account.
I recognized the quote. But as I explained it doesn't apply because the dumb fucks are those that can't see buying a loss leader hardware product and then not using it the way they planned hurts Facebook.
Tankies give the order of Lenin. I say rationalization should get the order of... Gladwell or iglacias? One of those guys.
Quest is cheap hardware you can use however you want. You didn't know what you were talking about.
I always enter November 5 1984 for any site that needs it.
I love that idea!
Thanks.
Why that date? Is it from the book 1984?
November 5 is a reference to Guy Fawkes.
1984 is a nod to the book.
Thanks :)
Might be a reference to Guy Fawkes?
Oh, I guess it could be a combination of that and the dystopian novel.
Or two novels.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V_for_Vendetta
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nineteen_Eighty-Four
Don't they already have shadow profiles on all of us, even if we don't use Facebook? I long ago figured that they're able to get ahold of all the info they want on us without our consent. Is tracking our habits and relationships not enough? Even if the idea is to use this as age verification, I highly doubt Facebook's as clueless as to not have a ballpark estimate on all of us by now. (Or did the introduction of AI break things so bad that they can no longer deduce the sort of data they want? Hey, I can dream.)
I've heard that, but I've searched for my name on Facebook and I never find anything about myself. My wife has a Facebook account, she has the app on her phone and tablet, and I've had cause to use it. Like she'll tell me to go into her messages and get a recipe or something. I don't read them, but we don't keep secrets from each other. Anyway, I'll be bored in a car ride and I'll start looking up my coworkers, and laugh at the dumb shit they post (that could identify them/their location to strangers). Once in a while I'll look myself up. I'm not a public figure, per se, but I do have imitators, so if you look my name up, first and last, a couple profiles will come up, but they have nothing to do with me and they don't have any information that matches mine. I don't know if those are the "shadow profiles" people talk about, but they are not a threat to me.
Yeah, you won't. That's why they're called shadow profiles. But if one day you do sign up you'll find Facebook already knows who all of your friends are and what your interests are, etc.
Interesting. So would it be better to not sign up at all and let it guess, or sign up and poison it with false information? I'm leaning toward the former.
Facebook has a fake birthday for me and it's never been a problem. It's somewhat close to the real date but not the real date.
Was unaware of the steam frame, thanks for putting them on my radar! Wonder how they'll fare as a monitor replacement for dev work. I've seen people use the apple goggles for that because they're pretty high res. Seemed pretty cool
My birthday is always January 1st of 2000. It used to be in 20th century but I didn’t want to give away my real age.
I take it you're turning 125 next Thursday?
I'm guessing their real birthday is probably January 1, 1970; just like every Steam user.
Source if my guess: I was born on January 1 of 1970.
Time to delete your Facebook.
I deleted my Facebook two years or so ago already
That's an easy.
Getting people to stop using Instagram and whatsapp is so much harder.
Fuck Instagram. Meta aside, any site that requires a data harvesting account just to view is never worth going to.
WhatsApp is the hardest.. People are still using it around me.. And they just assume I use whatsapp as well.
Whatsapp is the one i still feel pressure to almost use even though i deleted fb over 5 years ago. Whenever somebody travels out of country I get an invite to whatsapp that I turn down.
First they forced giving phone number, now DoB...
Btw they purged me for not providing them my phone number.
just set it to the January 1st of whichever year would make you 13 when you registered your account 😏 (I remember a platform deleting the account of someone when they, years later, revealed that they were under 13 when they registered)
I understand there's arguments about "this is not new, they've been working on VR for a decade" - fine, but it's Zuckerberg, who apparently never does anything in good faith (see: the Winklevoss twins, Whatsapp, Snapchat, Libra, etc)
I'm sure they only have VR in order to onboard people to blue app. People have gotten banned and their only recourse is to buy an Oculus. Convenient.
Wasn’t that the obvious deal from the beginning? You buy the subsidized hardware and ignore Facebook’s gravity as long as you can. That’s the catch for the low price.
Anyone who thought otherwise is, well, thinking wishfully.
Big tech in general. At this point the only one I still have faith in not too fuck over customers "because they can" is Valve.
A good opportunity to ditch Meta if you're still using it for some reason.
Can't, need the Marketplace, unfortunately.
MySpace marketplace?
wtf I deleted my account a year ago.
I'll sell them my birth date information. They already got their filthy lucre from buying and selling my name all over the place, why shouldn't I get a cut from things I own?
I always use the birthday of a friend of mine. That way if they if I have to validate something in the future, I've used a consistent date.
1.1.1970 is consistent and easy to remember (at least for nerds like me)
I've been using 6/9/1969 since I was 11 using the same rationale and haven't found a compelling reason to change.
This is why tech giants want to dissolve governments and the regulatory agencies.
This is why tech ceos need to be afraid to leave their bunkers.
Bruh im looking at buying a used quest 2 because they offer such a compelling value. But seriously do I have to make an account just to use the damn thing? What if I only use it teathered to my pc?
I have one that I used to use with my PC (switched to linux and it's a pain in the ass to do is why I stopped). I would still have to log in to start the app to hook to my PC.
Yes. It's much like Android, iOS and Windows where you are the product so you can't do literally anything without an account.
Basically bs when it comes to Android. Android will run offline, with no account, degoogled, fully non-gms, or all of the above. As well as inside and outside containers, emulators and virtual machines.
(Some devices and vendors may lead to less choice than others.)
Yes, if you hack it. No one distributes it that way. You're being needlessly pedantic.
I mean, they, really want that data, so just give them that (random) data.
Edit: if they verify, use date of friend/family member. Scramble that data.
Why use that data? Just put it to Jan 1 1900, like everyone else on porn sites.
Wtf is a meta horizon
I don't think anyone really knows.
They just really want to get to know you.
That's how you get fake credentials meta
Hahahahahahaha
Sorry about your gooner helmet
I cancelled my preorder for the OG Oculus Rift so fast when they announced the Meta buyout
January 1, 2000
Or optionally if you want to keep your birthday, just do that but with 2000.
I’d love to see some statistic showing the user birth dates spiking in the absolutely realistic years of 1900, 1945, 1969, 1970, and 2000