Hillary Clinton Says Young Americans Are Pro-Palestine Because They Watch ‘Totally Made Up’ Videos of Gaza Horrors
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I'm sorry, but what the actual fuck?
Why does she need to say that?
And why is every democratic presidential nominee like this?
Money.
Money.
Aipac. Is the reason.
Money.
Hillary: everyones talking about Bill again, I'm gonna make them talk about me!
Why does she need to say anything?
Money
She's just mad everyone knows Trump blew her husband.
Honestly, I don't think she really ever cared what Bill was up to. The marriage was just a way to advance her career.
She doesn't. She did so because she likes simping for netanyahu.
What. The. Fuck.
Yeah, it's so weird to sympathise with people who are being starved 🙄
"We taught them the wrong lessons."
"We accidentally taught them that genocide should never happen. What we should have taught them is that we're awesome and above them!"
You kid but that's the point she was making. She claims the lesson to learn from the Holocaust is not that we should help the weak when they are being pummeled by the strong, but, apparently, something like that Israel can do no wrong.
The problem with the holocaust wasn't the genocide bit, it was the part that it was done to the jews apparently. I really can't wrap my head around it.
That is another level.
Do you remember the movie were a team of corporate sponsored rich teenagers beat a team of orphans in a lacrosse championship? That was so uplifting and inspiring.
The Mighty Dicks?
Field is Screams?
Cool Gunnings?
Victim blaming those weak pathetic losers is always the feel good movie of the year. Everyone wants to see the underdog lose.
Just insane.
I always refer back to Peter Griffin.https://youtu.be/r5TGIRkL9JE
Hey Hillary, do you know what I’d like to hear from you?
Nothing. Absolutely fucking nothing. You fucking lost to the fascist the first time around and paved the way for his ascent to power. You are a HUGE fucking factor in how we got to where we are now.
She is a fascist herself who led the unilateral intervention on Libya that lead to the unnecessary deaths of 50k people in a civil war that didn't need to happen, architected the pivot to Asia which will lead to WW3, and "promoted" LGBT rights internationally in a way that got LGBT people thrown under the bus world wide as a side effect of resisting American imperial power.
I've said it all through out her run in 2016.
Shes not a democrat.
Shes not a liberal.
Shes just a Republican in a blue coat.
This distinction gives too much credit to democrats and liberals.
But it was her turn! Damnit, she was going to run regardless of how unpopular she was.
It's like the end of Happy Gilmore when Shooter McGavin grabs the jacket because it was his turn, he felt it was owed to him.
Probably wouldnt have trump today if it wasnt for the DNC sabotaging all the popular candidates to shove hilary down our throats.
No one wanted hilary.
and remember, Trump didnt even want to win. He just wanted to use running as a springboard for more attention. He was, by all accounts, upset with his intitial win because of how he felt he'd be restricted by the white house.. granted all thats long since been gone since he learned how to manipulate the office to his favor (especially with charging the SS 4x more than anyone else for his weekly trips to maralago..) in his first time, and how hes fucking destroyed the country with his second with how he has undermined everything to go full narcoleptic cartman.
I think there were people who wanted Hillary, in the sense that they were perfectly fine with settling for her. But, there weren't many people who were passionate supporters, and there were a lot of people who hated her. And, the way her campaign was run reflected that. It was basically "Hillary: what are you gonna do, vote for the other guy?"
And thats exactly what they did.. because she cared more about catering to billionaires, holding secret meetings behind massive white noise generating speakers so no one could hear what was being said, than she cared about campaigning.. Which is why she lost every state she couldnt even be bothered to make a single appearance in.
People want to blame trump for everything, but Hilary being a shit, arrogant candidate that walked around like gods gift to freedom was absolutely a big part in trump winning.
Because she couldnt even pretend to give a fuck.
Hey I don't like HRC but this take is pants on head unhinged. Shes not doing anti-LGBT 4D chess, she was just narcissistic/delusional to think she'd be anywhere charismatic enough to convince people internationally to treat LGBT people better.
Do people in the global south & developing world have agency? Or are they simpletons being manipulated by grand puppet masters? If the answer is they have agency, the bigots that live in those places should own their bigotry and you shouldn't do apologia for them. If the answer is they are simpletons well... ok.
You lack understanding of what I said then went way off the rails with your ridiculous finger wagging. We said the exact same fucking thing. I didn't say she did it on purpose, I'm saying the way she did it got them thrown under the bus.
I'll say she did it on purpose. There is no such thing as an unintended negative consequence of democrats' actions. Not one. If they wanted to get the benefit of the doubt, they shouldn't have supported genocide. They'll need a lot of action to fix that. Not words. Democrats have demonstrated how worthless their words are.
If she could give a half decent blowjob the world would be a much nicer place
She tried.
Stop blaming women for aging
Does age make you give worse blowjobs?
No, but she's not in Bill's go-to age range. Guess that wasn't the clear intent
Stop being a half-wit
Sure. You realize how bad trump is, way worse than even Hillary. But it's Americans that voted for trump over Hillary. It's the stupidity of Americans that you should be blaming.
It's so funny how far people go to try to absolve themselves of responsibility.
I feel like you’re looking for a fight, but I don’t disagree. I blame the idiocy and myopicism of my countrymen, too.
Americans in very specific swing states in manipulated elections voted for Trump. Hilary actually won that election by several million votes. The USA is not a democracy and blaming voters is really a pathetic and wrong understanding of politics.
Ah yes, when it's Russia then every Russian should suffer for not overthrowing Putin. But when it's the US, Hillary actually won and “it wasn't me” anyway, and blaming voters is pathetic.
Blaming voters for not voting the right way is in fact pathetic, because their elections are fake. They couldn't have voted differently because their votes don't matter. I blame Americans but not for the reasons they were suggesting. I absolutely think that people in the US shouldn't bother to vote and should instead destroy their fake democracy and settler colony. The USA is worse than Russia in every way. It is in fact the US who over threw the Russian government and installed Putin, it is amazing how they think it is the other way around
So she should have shifter further right to try to capture the votes in those specific swing states?
Even if she moved right of Trump she would have lost, median voter theory is horseshit.
So she couldn't have won no matter what. You're saying she wasn't a bad candidate, I guess.
I am saying she could have won if she moved left and promised to improve the material conditions the people she was asking to vote for her.
Moving right does not earn democrats republican votes, it only decreases their own turnout.
How would that have made her win? Her policy, and the history of the Democratic Party in contrast to the republicans is that she would be better for the people. Better is better. It doesn't matter how much really. If people wanted better, they would already vote for her.
She was such a bad candidate that she personally couldn't win no matter how far to the right she went. She might have stood a better chance if she treated the left flank of the party like she actually needed their votes.
Why should she have to play games 'motivating' people who could see she was significantly better than trump? People didn't bother to vote against trump - so they got trump. They have no one to blame but themselves.
The elections are fake so, no. The people in the US should force the issue of the abolishment of the electoral college and overturning the citizens united ruling by any means necessary
I guess we can simply keep losing elections until they educate the entire populace.
I mean, centrists prefer that to moving to the left.
Yeah, it couldn't be the UN-confirmed genocide, nor the IDF-sanctioned videos of complete devastation, nor the steady wash of articles from journalists with decades of experience confirming utterly inhumane practices around aid distribution, rules of engagement and civilian deaths. Couldn't be.
In case anyone misread that, they mean the United Nations (UN) confirmed it.
Yes, it's a genocide. Genocide is bad. It's not that fucking complicated.
One of the instances where abbreviating with periods could have helped: U.N.-confirmed
Don’t forget the psytrance dances with dead babies in the background
Right, totally made up.
What an insane thing to say.
Edit: bottom of the screenshot showing how many have been killed since the “ceasefire.”
I think the "theory" is supposed to be that the stuff about it that makes Israel look bad is what's supposedly totally made up. Like "Oh those dozen videos of IDF soldiers playing a game to see who could snipe the most children in the genitals? That's not real. Those were Hamas fighters. If you dumb kids knew the whole story you would agree with us adults in the room that Israel is in the right here."
Still fucking psychotic, just a different flavor of psychotic.
And you wonder why you lost the fucking presidency. Right wing piece of shit
Sure Hillary, now let’s get you back to your room.
But Don and Bubba are already in there
Hillary Clinton is why Donald Trump is president today. Her incompetence and evil led to Trump's ascendancy.
In the US, democrats are considered the left/middle of the political spectrum.
In the rest of the world, Democrats are considered right wing.
This is some right wing shit.
No. It was the electoral college. She won the popular vote. Both parties work for Israel
Should have been Bearnie.
Q.E.D.
She had Trump run for office, because she couldn't beat the current GOP. Also she cheated in her own primary. Yes she the reason for Trump. And fuck her crawl back into your cave. We don't need or want her input.
Democrats would have won had they nominated a candidate who wasn't comically evil like Hillary Clinton.
It should have been Bernie
Bernie would have easily won, but so would almost anyone else. Democrats ard really good at finding horrible candidates.
It’s almost like they’re paid by the same lobbyists as the republicans to perform political theater for the same puppet masters.
https://www.salon.com/2016/11/09/the-hillary-clinton-campaign-intentionally-created-donald-trump-with-its-pied-piper-strategy/
Damn that’s horrible. Well my household checked the Bernie box. We were extremely upset with the DNC’s shady dealings.
Hillary is a POS. But to blame it on her, at least entirely, makes very little sense. There are numerous reasons why he won... despite the fact that HE lost the popular vote against her.
He won because democrat voters assumed the polls were right and no one was stupid enough to vote Trump. So they didn't vote. America is very difficult to underestimate.
As for 2024, who the fuck knows.
It's not complicated, American voters vote out the incumbent if they're not happy with how things in general are going. Obama won reelection because he was a fantastic speaker and politician. Trump would have lost this election if he was the incumbent.
Democrats would have won, and Donald Trump would have never happened if Democrats had nominated someone better.
She lost. It is as simple as that. There are no excuses for failure or incompetence.
Woman who was best friends with Kissenger loves war crimes.
And then her predecessor became best friends with Dick Cheney.
Oh how fucking gross.
Oh they understand. That's why they're so unhappy. But, this is exactly the take I expect from one of the most out-of-touch people on the planet.
Centrists love to pretend that anyone who doesn't immediately and totally buy whatever evil bullshit they spew just doesn't understand how anything works.
It's dual-purpose: gaslighting and a thought-terminating cliche that lets genocidal monsters continue to falsely believe they're the good guys.
She would have lost to a moldy ham sandwich.
Are you talking about the election or Bill Clinton's affection?
¿Por qué no los dos?
Just. Go. Away.
Ffs shouldn’t you be hiding in a bunker with Bubba by now?
I think the horse died years ago.
This stupid, evil piece of shit. There are people all over the place trying to combat voter apathy and get them to the ballot to at least try to staunch the worst, and there she goes pouring more oil on the fires of defeatism.
You can't vote your way out of this shit, even if you elect the greatest people ever to live, the entire system is built up with entrenched elites. The military, the media, the intelligence services, the judiciary, lobbyists, and so on. And people can be corrupt and selfish even if they start with good intentions.
There is only one solution: revolution.
And how would you go about that revolution?
Voter frustration is a more powerful support than voter apathy. Not voting leaves you with no target to be pissed at; having your vote betrayed provides your anger with direction.
Voting may not be the solution, but it's a tool for communicating and establishing public sentiment, and public sentiment is what separates revolution from a coup.
By building a people powered movement through solidarity, establishing workers co-operatives, industrial unionization, pro-revolutionary social spaces and through direct action. As the working class becomes increasingly organized and class conscious, we can increasingly reject capitalism and the state. If the working class refuses to perform labor for the ruling class, in an ideal world, we can remove them from power without a single loss of life. In reality, they would use violence against us, so we would need to be ready to defend ourselves.
By all means, vote away, under our current system, it can be viewed as harm reduction. But if you have time and energy to spare, that time and energy would be far better spent agitating for real change and engaging in the activities I mentioned above.
Vitally, learn about anarchism, and how it presents a solution to our deeply, fundamentally broken society.
Do you have concrete suggestions for what I personally could do? I often read these things online, but it feels like buzzwords and technical terms thrown around in the expectation that they should mean something to the audience, but I'm not sure they do.
What I mostly do so far is try to sprinkle offhand comments into conversations to (hopefully) sow seeds of class consciousness without actually getting preachy and pushing people away. I don't know how much that helps.
I've had the anarchist FAQ tab open in my browser since forever, but I find it hard to read and work (by design) often leaves me too tired to meaningfully engage with it.
This circles back into the issue of not knowing what to do: dedicated articles tend to be heavy on quotes, arguments why it's important and general principles. I don't need convincing, I need direction.
Sure, my suggestion would be to join the IWW (Industrial Workers of the World) and get involved locally with them or some other direct action group in your area.
Hopefully where you live there is already a group of people doing these things and they can help you get more into it.
The politicians in this country are completely out of touch with reality.
How much could a banana cost, Michael? $10?
There’s always money in the Afghanistand
I've made a huge mistake
No no no; politicians in this country are used to being able to lie with impunity and have the backing of the state enforce their positions.
Why do you think there are suddenly 19 new/resurrected Internet bills that are like “the government needs the ability to monitor and record and totally ban every click and pixel of every American at all times of all devices without warrant or question FOR THE CHILDREN”
Yeah it’s because they realize they’re cooked.
Why do you think there is always suck outrage at “TikTok”? For all the reasons it sucks, they had far less control over TikTok than the other platforms, and it scared the shit out of them.
America has been using our labor and wealth to do genocide and imperialism since the fall of the Nazis (edit:’far longer at home but we weren’t such prolific exporters until then) and they have mostly kept the wool over our eyes, but their little project has gotten out of hand and now it’s too ridiculous to hide.
They would rather imprison us all than to fail, and it seems they’ll fucking try.
Wish she would Pokemon Go to a nursing home already.
Of course she did. She's a piece of shit. No part of me is surprised.
Facts
The Democratic party chose to lose to Trump with Clinton, instead of win with Bernie Sanders.
There's a reason you lost to Trump, hilary.
Jesus fucking Christ all you have to do is shut the fuck up
Yea because the average Israeli knows so much about the founding of their country. Who are the people who have been fed biblical propaganda all their entire lives?
I've found that the more you know of the actual history of Israel, the more fucked up it all seems.
Why don't you Pokémon Go fuck yourself
61 million tons of rubble was just made up. It's all styrofoam brought there by Iran.
OK, isn't this literally a conspiracy pushed by far right Israeli politicians who openly call for the genocide of the Palestinians?
Yep! And then they burn hundreds of millions to ensure foreign politicians repeat it.
Yes, it is a conspiracy pushed by the likes of Hillary Clinton.
It would cost her zero dollars to shut the fuck up.
would it, though? what's she still getting in return for pushing this kind of shit? probably not nothing
Exactly. Speaking out makes no sense. So why do it?
Fuck Hillary Clinton. Was she ever “in touch” with the world, or has she always been this way?
I long for the day to see AIPAC dismantled. The tide will turn, eventually.
What the heck is this image? Did she just walk into somebody's house while they were watering their bamboo? She looks horrified.
iirc she was being shown what an average flat looked like at poverty wages or something along those lines. The look is, presumably, her unfiltered reaction to what she's seeing before the mask goes back on.
Decades of brainwashing by the capitalists.
Yes, that look says "ew, poverty."
"These people vote for me? Gross."
Clintons, Bushs, Trumps, fuck these dynastys of POS. We need a social and political revolution right now.
Remember, this is the woman that wanted to ruin Rockstar over the Hot Coffee controversy
She was just upset because Trump was slobbing her husband's knob at the time
The article is from December 2nd, though maybe the conference is from much earlier, so barring that... The fucking UN said on September 16th that "Israel has committed genocide in the Gaza Strip." It's absolutely infuriating that people are still viewing this as something controversial or debatable. I was naively hoping that once the UN used the big G word (genocide) that more moderate politicians (being incredibly generous calling them moderate) would finally start acting like it's a genocide.
Source: https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2025/09/israel-has-committed-genocide-gaza-strip-un-commission-finds
Really, "fake news?" You know who you sound like, right?
Oh, she knows. She just doesn't care.
Phew! I am extremely relieved to find out those videos are fake.
It's pretty fucked up of TikTok to have tricked us like that, but I'm sure under Larry Ellison's new leadership they'll sort things out.
Genocide denial in the face of obvious genocide is genocide support.
Clinton remains the de facto head of the centrist wing of the party, and she's telling everyone the only thing they've ever been about.
This is the quote from Clinton. She's bringing up the dangers of media manipulation, and this article's headline kinda proves her point.
No it doesn't. She's blaming social media for actually getting the truth out there. She's been at the center of US politics for decades, in the White House for a lot of the time. She's just panicking because the narrative that she's been part of pushing is crashing down.
Misinformation is a problem, yes. And traditional media also reports misinformation. Here is how responsible actors react to misinformation.
All I see is the Queen of the Centrists assuming anyone who disagrees with her must be stupid or gullible instead of absolutely right.
So basically a centrist acting like every other centrist I've ever encountered. Dead wrong and arrogant about it.
She doesn't say anything close to that actually, try to read the article again in a more matter-of-factly way. Your completely legitimate political opinions -I don't particularly like Hillary Clinton myself- shouldn't prevent you from judging what she says fairly.
"You're taking what he's saying out of context! That's not what he meant!" -trump supporters.
Now that Harris moved the needle to 2016 Republicans, it's now time for the DNC brainwormed shitlibs to say that anything that the DNC told them is Fake News. You can't pay rent? Fake news! Line went up!
Huh? I'm not a Trump supporter nor a Clinton supporter. What are you going on about?
You're supporting clinton (because she supports the genocide you live for) and acting like a trump supporter to do it.
I don't support Clinton, I don't support Trump, I'm in favor of sanctioning Israel and recognizing Palestine immediately. Don't know what you're talking about, try to assume less.
@Ensign_Crab Well, thanks for offering your useful ideas for.. oh. Sorry, never mind.
Well, thanks for demonstrating the "arrogant about it" part.
@Ensign_Crab You're going to realize some day that just whining a lot might make you feel better for a few minutes, but it won't make anything better, for you or anyone else.
Good luck.
You look like a douche here for this. Crab looks better.
Doubling down on arrogance isn't going to get you any votes, not like you care if you get any. You can always blame the left you've always hated more than republicans.
Amazing how they look like an ass and say you're the weirdo.
Tiktok is probably a more unbiased source compared to western media.
Correct, it's why Congress tried to ban it until it became Trump approved propaganda. It was unbiased, and had to be for American ears.
If that actually is your opinion, then you're the living proof that Clinton is right. Social media is completely full of disinformation, misinformation and hybrid threats from Russia, China and many more.
Look at the 2024 Romanian presidential election.
I'm more worried about hybrid threats from Americans. China never bombed or invaded our corner of the world.
America might start being a problem now and if it does we need to start worrying about it. Russia and China have been meddling with the European infosphere for the past 20 years.
On that very particular point she's not wrong. The collapse of trustworthy news sources and the rise of social media is bad for getting the truth out.
I'd like to get to where we can verify and validate citizen reporting consistently.
Definitely, that's why I'd be in favour of banning TikTok and requiring all social media platforms to have stronger fact checking mechanism.
Though, the only real solution is to improve the cognitive skills of the population starting when they're children.
Ironically X's community notes have been pretty good at fact checking posts.
Not sure about bans in general, but short-form video on infinite scroll is 100% brain rot.
The problem with TikTok is that it clearly pushes Chinese narratives.
See the 2024 Romanian election or this: https://www.dw.com/en/far-right-afd-appears-as-strongest-german-party-on-tiktok/a-69264717
Hillary Clinton: People are learning about what happened on October 7th from social media. Some of it is totally made up, some of it not at all representing what they claim to be showing. It’s a serious problem for democracy. Headline: Hillary Clinton Says Young Americans Are Pro-Palestine Because They Watch ‘Totally Made Up’ Videos of Gaza Horrors. Lemmy: Fuck Hillary Clinton. Also, MAGA are fueled by fake stuff they see on social media. Also, we can't trust mainstream media.
It's not a matter of being pro-Palestinian, or even who's right. It's a matter of being able to have a conversation with enough common ground.
You missed the part being referenced in the headline. She isnt just talking about Oct 7 but everything that took place following it. Her complaint wouldnt make sense in any other context, and it's the same complaint Netanyahu and Blinken have made, too.
After accepting pro-genocide lies as "common ground."
What about the weeks, months, and years before that?
Yeah. The media manipulation is real and a society needs to live in the same reality in order to function. Hillary Clinton brought up a totally fair point.
If somebody was denying the holocaust and making this point in the context of that denial, would you respond the same way and say it's a totally fair point?
Not at all. Thing is, where did she deny anything? Did you read the article?
I'm not American and I'm fully supportive of Palestine and Palestinians, in favour of sanctions on Israel and of the recognition of the Palestinian state. But media manipulation is probably the biggest danger our societies are facing and it's a problem even on this matter.
It's pretty clear that this is a denial, I suggest you listen to her speak.
From the article:
If that's not a denial, what is? Even if there is some amount of propaganda, it's undeniable the horrors that have occurred. It's not pure propaganda and she failed to speak to what actually has occurred.
This is literally the same thing as holocaust denial. She's claiming to be an authority of the history of the region, when in reality the history doesn't invalidate or excuse what has occurred for over two years against an occupied people.
Remember this when the shitlibs tell us that Clinton was the lesser evil. She is actively for genocide.
bluemaga acts like redmaga. Right now you're seeing the "no, what she actually meant was" thing.
I don't need context to know that it's wrong to rape an autistic prisoner to death. I don't need context to know that it's wrong to bomb cattle and fields in order to starve a population. And why should I listen to Hillary fucking Clinton, the single cause for why open-air slave markets could open in Libya. Fuck her and fuck Bubba too.
She includes the actual day of October 7th, and the only possible social media disinformation that day would have been anti-Palestinian, there was like no videos of Israel doing anything vaguely questionable on that day.
She avoids claiming it's only one side or the other. Zionists could accuse her of October 7th denial just as easily.
I suggest you re-read the article/listen to her speak because she is clearly taking a side. What she's speaking to is not limited to that day, to the best of my knowledge. If you disagree with the coverage or find it inaccurate, feel free to point out the inconsistencies or distortions.
I didn't listen, but I read and reread and the thread started with a quote showing the inconsistency and I repeated it highlighting specifically where it could cut the other way.
She carefully avoided taking a side other than social media is full of disinformation. Going for an agonizingly centrist position that fails to condemn either side as bad.
Here's a hypothetical example of what a denial might look like:
The main difference between the two is that the former statements (attributed to Clinton) are fairly accurate and ostensibly made in good faith, whereas the latter statements (the hypothetical example) are not accurate and have the appearance of intentionally creating a false narrative.
To be clear, I think Hillary is a dogshit human being and I think Israel is committing war crimes every day as they continue to murder civilians with the aid of American military tech and funding. But Hillary isn't saying anything that crazy here, or at least not in the actual quotes written in the article.
Respectfully, saying, "what they were being told on social media was not just one-sided, it was pure propaganda." is what makes this denial. It's fine if you disagree.
Hillary is free to acknowledge what's happened from a neutral perspective and prove me wrong. But thus far, has she?
Here's what a republican defending something trump said looks like:
@sbrodolino21 Her big mistake here seems to me to be that she expressed a perspective in language too nuanced for a huge number of rage-filled online readers to be willing or able to sit down and parse.
The beauty of online 'discourse' is that for most of us, being entirely wrong or embarrassingly mistaken, yet being self-righteously arrogant about it, is entire free, with no potential meaningful consequences. It's like being in grade school forever. It's certainly much easier adulthood.
She dismissed anyone who opposes genocide by claiming the genocide is a tiktok fever dream.
She literally didn't. Show me the quote.
You already saw the quote. People have already shown it to you here:
https://lemmy.world/post/39651015/20839991
You just didn't like how she said what you were denying she said, so you ignored it.
There is literally no denial in that quote as people have commented below it.
That certainly is one of the problems that play a role here, the lack of nuance. And honestly this whole thread just shows it.
Can't imagine why people thought you're fake
We definitely didn't nominate her. The DNC secret voters did.
the AIPAC did, plus a little side dish of russia.
This is the political equivalent of saying Jewish space lasers cause hurricanes.
One is documented and a lobbyist group, one is made up by neo-nazis with no basis in reality. Conflating the two is antisemetic.
It says that anything Jews do (and AIPAC isn't 100% Jews, its Zionists alligned to the cause, so its mostly Christian) is inherantly grouped together, fake or real.
I think they meant saying Russia interfered in the 2016 primary in support of the butcher of Libya is the loony take.
The DNC nominated her, not the people. In the 2016 primaries they messed with voting registration so that a few demographics more likely to vote Bernie were suddenly on the independent register. A demographic of Bernie bros that were disenfranchised voted R in the presidential. Biden won in '20 because RNC scaled their efforts based on '16 numbers where DNC stubbed their own toes.
The system is working as intended.
She knew her husband was fucking children and didn't care until it was public.
They attended a wedding together, and both were on Epstein's island at the same time as this.
The length this hag will go to just feel relevant, shut the fuck up! And keep bending over to your AIPAC god
I don't get it. Why is she still paying lip service to AIPAC?
Or is she really just an islamophobic, genocidal bitch?
Palestine isn't really a religion problem, Israel just wants the land for themselves, they didn't really care that much in the end about the people there as long as they're not.
Sure, but what would Hillary have to gain besides support for a political career that no longer exists
She's been telling the same bullshit for so long and surrounded herself with sycophants, that she believes her own lies. She probably has to otherwise she'll realize she's evil.
Their name may go on it, but it's never theirs to keep.
No seriously, even if they do capture it, that area is very vulnerable to climate change and is going to get seriously wrecked. I'm guessing a few decades, given how climate change has been picking up the pace recently.
😏
Her campaign started the Islamophobic birther shit against Obama that trump eventually ran with. Not to mention the flag pin nonsense.
Technically that started during his Senate campaign. "You're not a real American" is a very standard conservative attack against PoC candidates.
But boy was she willing to jump on it, and feed it along to her close friend sand perennial mega-donors Jeffrey Epstein and Donald Trump
"We came, we saw, he died"
still probably funded by them.
This bitch and her husband need to disappear off the face of the Earth already.
So few people manage to be hated by everyone in every political camp in America, yet she and Bill mastered it.
Did the money she sold herself for to say this dumb shit really change her life in any noticable way?
If it talks like a fascist,.....
Walks like a fascist...
And gets cheated on like a fascist...
OMG will this woman please leave us all alone at some point or does she plan to live to 150 before she drags us all down to hell with her?
I guess the UN was watching the same made up stuff.
She's in the same camp as Giuliani: A shitty person, who would have had a much better reputation had they just shut the fuck up.
She was always an awful candidate, and the DNC made a HUGE fucking mistake supporting her. But, after Trump, libs would probably joke about her the way they joke about Al Gore. "If only they had won, we would all be at brunch!"
Instead, she pops up every year or two to punch left, remind everyone she sucks, and then does fuck all for anyone until next time.
Her going on Colbert to tell people to shut up and that these are their choices for 2024. She clearly does not believe in democracy.
Bitch its time for you to fade into history.
But Democrats are definitely not the soft side of th same team. Lmao.
Lesser of two evils!
Ghislaine Maxwell's photo from Chelsea Clinton’s wedding resurfaces as Trump-Epstein videos go viral
Oh well, anyways...
You think your Democrat lords aren't on the files? You really don't think this has to do with her hubby being in the files?
Hey I wouldn't eat shit even with a cherry on top. But I guess a cherry would make it the 'lesser evil'. Enjoy.
The fact that neither party wanted to release the files from the start tells us there's powerful names in both parties.
I mean, we've got a video of Bubba topping the Cheeto somewhere out there. But also, Trump was a diehard Democrat until the Obama Era.
Ffs, half the Epstein email dump is him bitching to Steve Bannon about how all his favorite liberal sex pests are losing.
I want every pedophile in jail, no matter which side of the political spectrum.
Doesn't change the fact that Democrats are still the better option if you want peace in the middle east.
Oh yeah I forgot how Biden stopped sending weapons to Israel... Oh wait.
You can keep denying reality all you like.
Who exactly are the usual suspects Clinton is referring to?
I was wondering the same thing. Maybe she means people of color, as "the usual suspects" is often used in this context, at least on social media. Maybe she means anyone who oposes Israël, usually more left-leaning people.
But who's to say waht she actually meant, I find it purposefully vague. As if she wants people to think about their own "usual suspects", whomever that might be.
Suggestion: let's fly to Gaza together and see it for ourselves, then we can discuss further.
Previously, I'd be agitateted that Hilary was expected to meet a higher standard than Trump. She has dissolved her standards to compete. She needs to be excluded from any rational conversation in the same way we would with Trump. Treat them both the same.
Clinton is an identity politics right wing ghoul. Barely better than Trump, but still better along nearly every dimension.
She was friends with Trump back in the day. It rubs off.
and Epstein.
It wouldn't surprise me if she bobbing trump's head off of bill's cock since apparently she can't suck worth a fuck, she's an abhorrent ghoul.
But but but the "vote blue no matter who" crowd said democrats are less evil.
They are. Less evil doesn't mean great or even good. That being said I look forward to voting for your paragon "by any means necessary" movement.
That's coming right? Not just an excuse for why you couldn't vote for better rather than worse because it would inconvenience you?
Quit making excuses for evil
quit making excuses for not making the best of a bad situation and instead just shitting the bed and saying well fuck nothing i could have done
These idiots can’t handle the simple truth that once you get to the point that it’s definitely going to be a Democrat or Republican, you vote against the Republican.
It’s that simple and yet they tell their superiors that we’re “making excuses for evil” when that’s what they’re doing, only worse.
Anything's possible when you make shit up kiddo
Compared to Trump: definitely yes.
Trump actually wants a genocide in Palestine. Tell me how that isn't worse.
Its not worse because its the excact same, both parties need israel to exsist for their goals in the region
And then didn't turn out in Tennessee because the candidate wasn't evil enough for them.
'less evil' specifically implies still evil
Do it yourself instead of asking somebody else.
Cough cough will no one rid me of this turbulent bitch?
If you still support the Clinton's then youre a part of the problem
So who should we be trusting? Billionaire-owned mainstream media? AIPAC-funded politicians? Because surely they wouldn't be unbiased and would never try to push an agenda. Lol GTFO!
They're just butthurt that their shitty attempts at cramming their agenda down everyone's throats is finally starting to show cracks because they can't hide the truth anymore. The more they double down on their bullshit, the more ridiculous they look.
I'm sure Hilary has got her finger on the pulse of the nation. Her husband must think most young americans are just a basket of deflower holes.
"You dumb touchy feely kids gotta learn genocide is cool as shit! " -Hilary Clinton
Damn she is old
The videos are real.
Pokémon Go to the polls!
Fuck you Hillary and your pedophile cheating husband. Her ego and arrogance thrusted Trump upon the world.
She is a nobody now and wants to be in the headlines somehow.
Just ignore her.
shes like the jill stein for the leftt, owned by aipac, instead its AIPAC and thier backers.
And why year after year I get tired of holding my nose and voting for weak ass democrats.
Can this election flopping ghoul please stop with the parade of terrible takes?
Fucking Fascist!
Wow what a pathetic puppet.
Suprised she can still find someone to pay to stick their hand up her ass
How can this demonic scumbag continue to be SO out of touch. Fuck. Practically their whole fucking generation has been a blight.
I don't think I've seen any videos at all on this topic... And I am very against the genocide in Gaza.
She is evil
Just Shillary saying Shillary things, desperate to remain relevant as usual…
The holy lands should be a DMZ open to all faiths and cultures.
So I am against the serfdom regardless of which side is evil or good.
🤦
She's trash, but this does remind me that I am worried about fake outrage bait videos. It's already too good.
This can simultaneously be an out-of-touch moronic statement and a rightful criticism of that horrid fucking place known as DikDok.
just like when the gop were using you as benghazi talking pts, sure that is true too?
Did any of the young americans watch the death of osama bin laden video? No? It doesn't exist? Not even a made up one? So, american politics holds on to the truth and all the young americans watch made up crap? Is that it?
Yeah I mean this tracks, wasn't she killing Muslims in the middle east when she was secretary of state?
Always punch up.
My favorite part about the meltdown in this thread is that the people who are seething over Hillary today are the same exact people who defended her tooth and nail back in 2016 despite her always being the exact same.
How did you know? Do you have the receipts for your claim? It's also possible that these people you're referring to have gained more information that made them change their mind since then. So is it that you think they should've doubled down on their choice back then, instead?
Because this is .world?
That's not an answer. Plenty of people on .world don't support establishment democrats. Both you and the top commenter are .world accounts, after all.
Let's just put it this way: if the genocide runs to completion like the clinton wing of the party wants, .world is where the party's gonna be.
Did you forget what the claim I refuted was? That it was the exact people seething about Clinton now are the same ones defending her unquestionably back then.
Is your assertion that the people who would party if the genocide runs to completion back then are the same ones seething at Hillary now for still supporting the genocide? Because that doesn't make logical sense, does it?
You didn't refute a damned thing, but keep crowing about something you didn't do. It's the centrist way.
As was predicted. “One day, when it’s safe, when there’s no personal downside to calling a thing what it is, when it’s too late to hold anyone accountable, everyone will have always been against this.” - Omar El Akkad
You're right, I didn't refute. Wrong word used there. i was asking for receipt, because saying .world is not a receipt. If I accused you of doing the same thing the guy accused these people of, would you accept if the only receipt I used is the fact that you're a .world account?
I never said they didn't do the thing they're being accused of, I just have a better standard of proof than what server they started their Lemmy account in. Turns out you didn't, so I am quite disappointed in you.
But it's not too late. The people who are responsible in your assertion are still alive and still doubling down on the genocide, so by what metric are you measuring the people here who are already acting against genocide before your prediction has come true? It doesn't seem like you thought your logic through.
You would've been right if things changed since then, but no, Hillary has been the same for decades now. She was always a slimy politician that stood for nothing. She always flipped flopped her stances overnight to whatever is more politically convenient for her. She was always knee deep in war crimes, lies, and corruption. What new information could have possible been acquired over the past decade that wasn't available prior? The point is that the same people who used to support her, defend her, and campaign for her now swear that they never supported her in the first place. It's a demonstration of inconsistent principles, not growth.
Not I. I still remember the days leading to her campaign where she jumped on the "Video games need rating limits, this Grand Theft Auto game proves kids are buying games they sre too young for" train. Then the entire DNC got quiet when the ESRB spoke out and said, "WTF do you think we've been doing? Kids can't unless their parents or stores stop letting them. Proved to me she is just another damn puppet to tow the line and induce fear and false outrage.
She's the type of slimy politician that stands for nothing. She used to be very vocal under the Bush years about how she opposed gay marriage. However, the moment it become politically convenient for her to switch sides, she did and became pro gay marriage overnight. I wouldn't be surprised that if she got another shot at public office again and the social climate was again against gay marriage that she would do a 180 yet again.
I guess USA was lucky not electing her in 2016. I mean, not that Trump was great but this piece of shit, genocide denayer doesn't deserve to be anything but ridiculed and shamed for her claims.
She's right. I'm sure Lemmy users will be happy to learn this and will in the future look at online content with a more critical and discerning eye.
i am glad i discovered the user tagging feature, it helps me realize that all the pro palestine genocide posts belong to very few actual users and genocide apologia overall is from a vanishingly small minority
I assumed this person was being sarcastic, but I realize you can't take anything for granted these days.
Except for the important fact that the videos are not "totally made up".
I can't tell if serious or sarcasm.
My point exactly. Over the last 40-50 years, pro-Palestinian news bytes have shown one thing: the Palestine cause is great at marketing, especially to young people. However, this doesn’t mean Israel has a clean vest… it simply shows the complexity of the conflict and that only a two state solution might get this solved.
Great at marketing? You call appeals to the humanity of people being systematically ethnically cleansed or genocided is...marketing? Are the videos of dismembered children marketing?
Get your two stater, Israel apologist ass out of here.
That's what happens when you genuinely can't imagine that people who aren't you are capable of experiencing suffering.
Jesse what the fuck are you talking about? The fucking satellite imagery showing half the strip being reduced to rubble isn't made up.
Absolutely not. Palestinians and pro-Palestinians are absolutely terrible at marketing. There's a reason that with few exceptions the only places where Zionism didn't find purchase were the ones where people were reading about the Nakba in the daily newspaper and it took a livestreamed genocide for anti-Zionism to become something resembling mainstream elsewhere.
Nothing is complex about this.
Peak lemmy.