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Microsoft AI CEO pushes back against critics after recent Windows AI backlash — "the fact that people are unimpressed ... is mindblowing to me"

Microsoft's AI CEO, Mustafa Suleyman, has shared his opinion after recent pushback from users online that are becoming frustrated with Copilot and AI on Windows. In a post on X, Suleyman says he's mind blown by the fact that people are unimpressed with the ability to talk fluently with an AI computer.

His post comes after Windows president Pavan Davuluri was recently met with major backlash from users online for posting about Windows evolving into an agentic OS. His post was so negatively received that he was forced to turn off replies, though Davuluri did later respond to reassure customers that the company was aware of the feedback.

Microsoft AI CEO pushes back against critics after recent Windows AI backlash — "the fact that people are unimpressed ... is mindblowing to me"https://www.windowscentral.com/microsoft/windows-11/microsoft-ai-ceo-pushes-back-against-critics-after-recent-windows-ai-backlash-the-fact-that-people-are-unimpressed-is-mindblowing-to-meOpen linkView original on discuss.online

At the idea of customer choice and feedback, no less; like those things are somehow BAD.

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Either it's bullshit (most likely) or it's because he surrounded himself with AI-cock sucking yes men. Probably a bit of both.

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lemmy.dbzer0.com

Microsoft is truly the king of putting out a product that no one wanted or asked for, then wondering why no one wants it. I'm sure they will soon begin the second phase of any Microsoft product: spending a small country's GDP marketing it to try to get people to use it, despite it being prominently displayed on approximately 5 billion operating systems already.

A tried and true strategy to piss through more money than god to justify spending more money than god building the thing that no one wants. Looking at you, IE and edge.

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Venatorreply
lemmy.nz

I think it's an old UK only model of ford that they stopped making in 1982

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No that’s a type of blind. Cortana is a fictional character from the Halo video game franchise.

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Pycoraxreply
sh.itjust.works

Cortana was great on WP before they dumbed it down for W10 and then killed it. It gave you daily summaries in the morning and was able to do basic assistant stuff like reminders and simple queries pretty well. Then W10 came and it became just a shitty web search.

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I hate tech companies and the general public's collective amnesia of functioning digital assistants, so I'm co-opting this as a copypasta.

Google Assistant was great on Android before they dumbed it down for Gemini and then killed it. It gave you daily summaries in the morning and was able to do basic assistant stuff like reminders and simple queries pretty well. Then Gemini came and it became just a shitty web search.

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sh.itjust.works

You know what I want MS to do? Remove all the extra crap and just be a simple OS. The desktop should use 500MB or so of memory, boot should be a few seconds, and launching programs should be a few seconds. Don't do any weird caching nonsense, I don't need tens of GBs of OS nonsense, just give me a simple OS.

I have that w/ Linux. The only value Windows provides is app compatibility. Stop trying to be anything more than that.

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lemmy.dbzer0.com

Man, can you imagine how good a bare bones version of win 10 would be? Drop all the useless software and telemetry services, only run the 3 or 4 background services that people use, and use flat window decorations like win 8. Essentially a modernized windows XP. Would be rad.

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lemmy.dbzer0.com

There's multiple projects out there for it. Windows 10 Ameliorated is/was an open source project of PowerShell scripts you run against the installation media (and I think afer install, it's been a while) to get LTSC Windows 10 stripped down as much as possible.

It's what I run in a VM for my work's VPN connection software (and then for the RDP session too). Keeps an extra level of separation from my personal stuff.

I could probably get things working in a Linux VM, but it's not worth the trouble for me.

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Yes, very true. It would be so nice to be able to get that as an OOBE behavior rather than a hacked together set of registry hacks and patched executables. Not denigrating the devs of these projects, they do an amazing job out engineering Microsoft's attempts to stop them. It's just absurd that the primary/only option for the operating system of a set of devices as ubiquitous as personal computers is such advertisment riddled shit with no ability to even buy out of it.

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Meh its a seriously dated OS thats had layers of lipstick added onto the turd all the while gaslighting its customers while stealing from them.

Its beyond insecure, hasn't innovated in a long time and their answer to this? Online accounts and slop to steal more customer data...

Stockholm syndrome in PCs is very real.

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spending a small country’s GDP marketing

Not to mention the energy demand of a similar small country

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dan69reply
lemmy.world

In a scale of 1-10 how likely are you having conversations about AI with copilot to your colleagues ?

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Sounds like people like talking about AI, time to push for even more of it!

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Maybe they think market research is for suckers who aren't confident enough in their ideas 🤡

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lemmy.world

Well my guy have you actually used and I mean really sat down and used your burning pile of slop for an excuse of an OS? I bet you haven‘t because you don‘t have to. Your assistants have to deal with that and they get paid to not complain about it. Meanwhile you get paid to waste oxygen and have lost touch with reality to the point you‘re no longer able to contribute to society in your current position. How sad.

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Hey don't make fun of him too much, he might have to buy another yacht to make himself feel better.

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AZX3RICreply
lemmy.world

Holy fuck. I have to paste shit from reports into Outlook daily and that stupid fucking menu that pops up asking about if I want the formatting to match, that you can't get rid of, drives me crazy.

And! And! You want a sync button? It's not just hanging out anymore, you have to find it. Don't like more clicks? That's ok, use the F key. But not F5 like is standard on browsers! Enjoy pressing F9.

First world problems but they're mine!

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I'll bet I can make your left eye twitch.

Are you ready?

A "large" amount of information.

Bitch, my computer has 128 gigabytes of RAM. It's a tiny god. The fact that I have as many as 100 cells copied to the clipboard (which is the threshold that triggers this stupid message, if you've ever wondered) is not even a rounding error. I'm sure this was marginally important in 1982 or whenever this was first coded into Excel, but today my computer could lose an entire megabyte of memory or maybe even ten down between the couch cushions and neither of us would notice.

There is still no setting to disable this dumbshit message.

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OMG yes... I wrote a macro that copies thousands of rows and then closes a file and I had to add a step to copy just one cell before closing to work around this stupid message.

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lemmy.today

i heard one of the biggest complaint, is the taskbar is right in the middle and you cant alter it in the settings. our work is using the ugly W11 right now on thier computers.

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In terms of Windows 11? You can move the start button back to the lower left corner in the settings, but you can't stick the taskbar itself to the sides or top of your monitor nor resize it like you could do in previous versions. Even Windows 95 supported all of the above.

The functionality is still there, mind you, and you can do it via registry hacks or third party tools. Microsoft just saw fit to remove the option for the user to do it themselves for some inexplicable reason.

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The task hat that you can align to the left? You can configure that aspect.

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lemmy.ca

I have to paste shit from reports into Outlook daily and that stupid fucking menu that pops up asking about if I want the formatting to match, that you can't get rid of, drives me crazy.

Every other piece of software: ctrl+shift+v pastes without formatting.

Microsoft software: ctrl+shift+v does nothing, if you want to paste without formatting you have to use our menus (for some reason).

And on the subject, apparently in a Google document you can not right click to paste without having some add-on installed. Ctrl+v works fine, the context menu shows you paste as an option, but if you try to actually paste through the context menu you get an error saying you need to install an add-on. What the actual fuck?

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Probably because they insist on replacing the browser's right click menu with theirs, and web pages can't just grab the clipboard contents for security reasons.

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lemmy.world

Ctrl+Shift+V does actually paste without formatting in up to date Office products. I do it a lot.

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lemmy.ca

I use Outlook, Word, and Publisher at work. Ctrl+shift+v does nothing.

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I mean, that’s what you said. I’m just providing context that this isn’t so for everyone. Not sure what’s going on with your install.

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ramble81reply
lemmy.zip

I think part of the problem is they all use Win 11 Enterprise, which actually isn’t that crappy because all of the bloat can be configured and disabled and most likely their IT department has done that.

They should be forced to use Win 11 Home for a while to see how everyone else is viewing things.

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lemmy.today

is thats what businesses use? our work uses computer with windows 11, seems very unweildy, and sitll has bloat(from news)

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Either means your business is running Pro, or your admins don’t have the GPOs configured correctly. That’s something that’s easy to remove on Enterprise.

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lemmy.world

You know what would impress me? That I would be able to start using my computer when I boot it in the morning.

As it stands I have to wait some 5 to 10 minutes before the mouse pointer decides to cooperate with me. And god forbid I attempt to start a Teams meeting, either the camera, mic or screen share will not work at all.

What the hell is this dumbass operating system doing that is more important than responding to the damn user?

Same machine, booting Linux, lets me start working right away. No stuttering, no freezes. Go figure.

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lemmy.ca

It's sad that all of those things were solved problems 20 years ago.

Like, Skype was usable on pretty much any computer with a webcam in 2006. Computers booted in a couple minutes with their spinning disk drives.

The tech is faster, more reliable, higher resolution, etc, but the software is fucking ass.

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Viper_NZreply
lemmy.nz

Using electron for seemingly every app will do that.

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markkoreply
lemmy.world

Yeah I doubt that's the issue on a PC with 64GB RAM.

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Ram isn’t the only issue. It’s the bloat it needs to load even to display a simple UI.

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sh.itjust.works

Yup, and Linux probably boots faster. On my NVMe w/ full-disk encryption (not through the disk's microcontroller, through an outside FS), I boot to desktop in like 5 sec or less, and the desktop is fully usable. If I want to launch a program, I type the name and hit enter, and it launches in a couple seconds.

My M3 Mac is a little worse, since it gets confused about launching an app vs looking for a file, and it takes a bit longer to boot (20-30 seconds?).

But my SO's Windows machine is something else. It takes a minute or two to boot, and after that it takes a minute or two to "settle." I have no idea what it's doing, but I generally get up and get a drink or something when my SO asks me to get something pulled up. Why is it so crappy?

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xxce2AAbreply
feddit.dk
xxx@xxx:~$ systemd-analyze
Startup finished in 1.514s (kernel) + 3.331s (userspace) = 4.846s 
graphical.target reached after 3.328s in userspace.

My machine is instantly usable in <5 seconds.

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aussie.zone
❯ systemd-analyze
Startup finished in 14.565s (firmware) + 5.778s (loader) + 2.920s (kernel) + 3.307s (initrd) + 3.972s (userspace) = 30.544s
graphical.target reached after 3.926s in userspace.

You're letting me down firmware!

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xxce2AAbreply
feddit.dk

What the hell kind of hardware are you running, son? Is your system waiting for the superconducting magnets of your particle accelerator to cool? Is your 400 lbs Honeywell tape drive running self-assessment tests? Is the communications array realigning to restore the connection to your hidden villainous moon base? What is taking fourteen seconds?

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aussie.zone

That'd at least make sense, this is a (literal) black box. Seriously, my monitor takes long enough to wake that it's at the boot loader screen by the time it's ready.

I found a post on Reddit claiming it's a RAM thing, and I should enable XMP to avoid it. But I've already got XMP enabled so I need to poke around it again.

And also disable the 5 second delay in the bootloader, not like I'm ever using that fallback option.

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The usual suspect in this scenario is crappy USB devices, hubs in particular. Unplugging all USB devices and rebooting to check the difference is always a solid and easy first diagnostic step. If that turns out to be the issue you can add them back piecemeal to isolate the offender(s).

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I completely trust Systemd to accurately report on itself, the same as I trust American cops to police themselves.

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Back when I used a HDD in my laptop, I was able to get my boot down to 20s or so. I don't understand what MS is doing...

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Install an outbound firewall and be horrified by how much Windows phones home and how much telemetry it continuously exfiltrates without your consent.

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lemmy.zip

5 to 10 minutes before the mouse pointer decides to cooperate with mr

This is not a typical experience, you have some kind of hardware issue or corruption / incongruities in your OS deployment.

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ohshit604reply
sh.itjust.works

you have some kind of hardware issue or corruption / incongruities in your OS deployment.

Windows, windows is the corruption you’re looking for.

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That's very funny to say, but Windows 11 boots faster than Linux on my disk boot machine. I do have full disk encryption on Linux tbf, but Windows is very fast from cold off to login screen.

It's a shit OS I'm forced to use for work, but it boots very quickly.

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You're right, I hate windows and especially 11 but even my shit spec work laptop running 11 boots to desktop in under a minute.

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lemmy.ca

Is this "git gud", victim blaming, or a mix of both? Ignoring the comma splice.

You'd think if there was a janky bit of gear in there

  1. Windows would tell you about it
  2. Linux would suck the same.

Neither appear to be the case.

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Or perhaps it could be something other than malice?

This person is putting up with a misbehavior they don’t have to live with. They’re presenting the perception that it’s due to the nature of the operating system.

My Toyota engine dies when I idle, therefore all Toyotas and fundamentally flawed.

Flawed logic, no? And yet, when it comes to tech, plenty of folks apply the same type of thought pattern.

You’re right that one would think the issue is as it seems on the surface. Computers are actually a bit more complicated than that.

One fail mode of memory is the occasional bit flip silently corrupting data in the background. As time goes on and new data is written to a disk, things can get weirder and weirder over time.

We don’t know if Windows and Linux are sharing a physical disk (I hope for their sake they aren’t) and we don’t know how old the Linux deployment is, so it’s possible it hasn’t had the opportunity to get progressively messed up enough yet.

Another key variable is that the Linux environment might not be interacting with every single piece of hardware, or that the structure of those interactions could result in symptoms manifesting differently or not at all.

I’ve had situations where a MacBook’s keyboard and trackpad were completely functional in Linux and Windows, but absolutely dysfunctional in any MacOS based environment. The fix? Replacement trackpad cable.

At the end of the day, the situation they’re describing is not common for the OS and indicates something is very wrong.

There’s plenty to complain about with Windows, but if this were a typical experience people would not be putting up with it.

A device with those symptoms coming through my shop is statistically likely to be leaving with replaced parts, a component level repair, or at the very least a complete OS and Driver reinstallation after passing extensive diagnostic testing and behavioral isolation.

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To clarify a bit: Windows may not be the only reason my work machine is slow as hell, corporate endpoint protection is due to play some part in that slowness.

Having said that, colleagues that use Macs and Linux mock us Windows users everyday for all the troubles we have with, well, everything, and they have similar endpoint protections in place.

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SaraToninreply
lemmy.world

I literally don’t turn my computer off because even with an SSD windows takes so long to boot up properly. I still have to restart it every few days because memory management is shit.

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Buelldozerreply
lemmy.today

I literally don’t turn my computer off because even with an SSD windows takes so long to boot up properly.

I admin several hundred Windows PCs so I'm pretty confident in saying that your computer is either a moldy potato, something is wrong with your hardware, or you have a very unusual software load. A modern Windows 10/11 desktop should go from power off to logon screen in < 30 seconds and from logon to desktop in < 30 seconds. Even an 8th Gen Core i5 with 8GB of RAM, a SATA SSD, and a full stack of security software will be ready to use in 60 seconds or less.

Whatever your problem is it ain't "windows"...and I'm typing this comment from my home PC running Linux.

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lemmy.world

My win 11 pc (decently modern Ryzen 5600G) used to boot in 1020 seconds, and then suddenly was taking 10+ minutes to boot. The problem? An external hdd. Removed that and instantly went back to 1020 seconds boot. The people above 100% are having some sort of issue and just don't know.

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undrwaterreply
lemmy.world

And Windows isn't telling them. That's part of the issue. If Cortana could tell them "this boot was slow because your video driver missed an update necessary for other system packages. Would you like me to show you how to fix that now?" that would be a win for your typical user.

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Now THIS is a usecase that I can get behind. Microsoft shouldn't be forcing AI, and instead just develop an optional tool for diagnosing PC issues. Problems logged in Event Viewer are not easy to understand, and an AI could be what is needed for making the unreadable into something actionable.

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SaraToninreply
lemmy.world

I do have several external harddrives, three monitors, and a MIDI keyboard. But “this computer will run fine as long as you don’t use the usb sockets” isn’t exactly a ringing endorsement itself.

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I have a Win11 PC sitting here with a Core i5 8500t, 16G of RAM, 1T M.2 SATA NVME, attached to a three position KVM. Hooked to that KVM are three monitors (2 x DP, 1 x HDMI), wireless keyboard & mouse, Creative USB T60 speakers, and a USB WebCam (logi 970e). Since it's a PC I use for work it's Entra joined and InTune managed running Managed AV, MDR, and a DNS Filtering Agent. Oh, and the drive is encrypted with BitLocker.

So I basically have as much USB attached crap as you do, sans hard drives, and it's going through the USB Hub that's built into my KVM.

Time from power off to usable desktop for that machine is under 40 seconds.

Your external hard drives are a likely culprit. I'd guess that they are either on an older interface or your PC is set to do a full AV scan of attached drives at boot.

Don't get it twisted, Microsoft and their products piss me off on a daily basis. I'm not defending them.

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lemmy.ca

people are unimpressed with the ability to talk fluently with an AI computer.

I already communicate fluently with my computer. I double click an icon to communicate to my computer "open this". I type into a search field to communicate "find this string".

At no point do I want to communicate to my computer "log everything I do, then use those logs to give me something that isn't what I'm asking for."

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I already communicate fluently with my computer. I double click an icon to communicate to my computer “open this”.

Wish I could upvote this twice.

At no point do I want to communicate to my computer “log everything I do, then use those logs to give me something that isn’t what I’m asking for.”

Won't stop them from trying to shove it down our throats.

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fodorreply
lemmy.zip

Of course they will never define "fluent". They can't do that because then they'd be proven as lying hacks, or else setting a low bar that was met several years ago.

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Fluent seems weaker than valid, which is weaker than sound, philosophically speaking.

It["A.I"]'s like a 2 year old.

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leminal.space

I don’t want to talk fluently with a computer, I want it to do things deterministically in a way I as a human being cannot. If I want a discussion, I have it with a human being.

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bagsyreply
lemmy.world

Call me old fashoined, but i like my computers to do exactly what I yell them to do.

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Exactly, if I wanted a discussion with a computer, I wouldn't have gotten married.

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How to be a tech shithead:

  1. Be disproportionately rich
  2. Surround yourself with yes-men
  3. Disregard any valid criticism as "haters"
  4. Become completely out-of-touch
  5. Get your mind blown by most basic, obvious things.

Somehow, this guy is the CEO.

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slrpnk.net

Pro tip: when your customers don’t like your product, it’s not their fault. It’s yours, and the appropriate response is not complaining or incredulity that people don’t like it. The appropriate response is to change the product or scrap it completely.

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T156reply
lemmy.world

"The customer is always right" might get misused a lot, but it is correct in this instance.

If a lot of your customers don't like something, it's not something wrong with the customers.

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fodorreply
lemmy.zip

One of the older variations of the expression is, "The customer is always right in matters of taste." Here we're talking about reactions to reality, so it doesn't quite apply directly, but still, these people are probably honest about what they feel.

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europe.pub

There was a clip recently from a former silicon valley worker, saying that AI was everywhere, the talking point of every part, and basically the god they all worship. They can't understand other people not wanting this.

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Have they tried removing their heads from each other's arses?

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europe.pub

Except they see stockholders and investors as their real customers, and us as the plebeians they can dump their stuff on and be grateful for the experience. That's what you get when speculative future value is the only thing that counts.

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Except they see stockholders and investors as their real customers, and us as the plebeians they can dump their stuff on and be grateful for the experience. That's what you get when speculative future value is the only thing that counts.

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sh.itjust.works

Lay off the coke man, talking to a computer isnt impressive when the average persons hydro bill goes up each month to support your bullshit

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lemmy.zip

It is interesting to see his reaction to reality. He finds out that people think he's peddling bullshit, and instead of asking why they think that, he dismisses them as irrational... That's one way to run a company, but only if your company has a monopoly and customers can't run away even if they want to.

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lemmy.world

His comparison to snake on his Nokia is actually good because in its current state AI is like a little gimmick for many users. Sure there are use cases but it can't reliably perform any truly critical tasks because it makes terrible mistakes.

Imagine Nokia shoving snake in customers faces as it is being done with AI. Every phone marketed as OPTIMIZED FOR SNAKE. A big snake button on the phone as a shortcut to open it. Snake integrated everywhere. Trying to send a text? Would you like to play a round of snake first?

That's what AI currently feels like.

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have you heard of THE WORM i have installed THE WORM on everything you own THE WORM is great it can do POETRY and ART for you and also EMAILS are you happy about THE WORM ? THE WORM is monitoring your reaction to THE WORM at all times

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SkunkWorkzreply
lemmy.world

Hence why Valve is releasing the Steam Machine to push SteamOS. It will illuminate a pathway to run away on. At least for gamers.

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Echo Dotreply
feddit.uk

I'm still bit confused about steamOS, I thought it was supposed to be a full on operating system for gaming centric PCs but it seems to need Plasma in order to do any traditional computer things.

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feddit.org

Which aspect of that confuses you? That it uses a Desktop Environment to do desktop things, or that they are using KDE Plasma instead of something else (say, gnome)?

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Echo Dotreply
feddit.uk

So steamOS is in fact not an operating system it's just a program that runs on plasma. Or is steamOS actually an operating system, but just quite a limited one, and you dual boot into plasma.

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KDE Plasma is just the desktop environment. It's not an OS. SteamOS is a full OS, built off of Arch Linux. It has both a Gaming mode, which looks a lot like Steam Big Picture does these days, and a desktop mode that uses Plasma as the graphical shell/interface. It doesn't matter OS-wise which one you "boot" into, as both are SteamOS.

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SteamOS is a linux distro based on Arch Linux, similar to any other. It's a amalgamation of different pieces of software, including a traditional desktop environment (plasma). But it does not boot into the desktop mode by default, instead it boots into their own graphical environment (gamemode) by default, running their steam client.

That's because their main focus is gaming machines, and that's why they want gamers to be greeted with a consolized, 10-foot UI.

I think you're confused because you think of steamOS being the UI (i.e. "Desktop Environment") that welcomes you when you boot into it, instead steamOS is the entire package, including a "traditional" desktop environment (which is KDE Plasma), as well as their own (gamemode), etc.

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A desktop environment is just a GUI program that your computer boots into by default. SteamOS just boots into Steam Big Screen Mode by default instead, and you can launch into the desktop afterwards. Plasma is the program that Valve chose to use for their desktop environment.

If you wanted to, you could skip all this entirely and launch your games or programs directly from the terminal without ever loading into your desktop.

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Echo Dotreply
feddit.uk

I mean it kind of is. If I have a gaming focused operating system it still needs to occasionally be able to do all the other computer things otherwise I have to have two computers or dual boot or something. If I had a console I would still need a computer, well the saying this can be all things and we can just switch from windows to this, so it also has to be able to do all of the other stuff too.

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Kiddy, computer gaming existed WAY before any desktop environments. Imagine, even multiplayer online games existed before Windows 95...

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Which it is, it is a fully fledged OS that runs steam in big picture mode when you start it. It also says on the page for this device that if you want you can install any OS onto it.

Yes, Steam Machine is optimized for gaming, but it's still your PC. Install your own apps, or even another operating system. Who are we to tell you how to use your computer? - https://store.steampowered.com/sale/steammachine

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you seem to be confusing an operating system for the user interface. An os can (and regularly does) have more than one interface. In this case steamos ships with two of them. One they designed which is targeted for games. And they also ship plasma as a desktop environment for those who need it. The operating system lies under all that, and you can launch any piece of software from either of the interfaces. (or the terminal, that counts as a 3rd way to interact with the computer, I guess)

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@[email protected] @[email protected] this does get into one thing SteamOS even on Frame will not be. Valve probably isn't at least for now trying to make a generic user interface for "spatial computing" in the way that Apple is with Vision OS or Google is with Android XR or even Meta is to an extent with Horizon OS.

That doesn't mean Frame couldn't be a great base for such efforts from Open Source devs or run some of the existing solutions to this problem on Linux such as Simula but I don't think there will be a first party answer to that on the Frame anytime soon

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SkunkWorkzreply
lemmy.world

Basically SteamOS is just a tweaked version of Arch Linux that boots Steam Big Picture Mode by default and launches games with Proton. It’s not a full blown OS by itself.

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kayazerereply
feddit.nl

It is a full blown Linux OS. You can switch out of the gaming specific mode/UI to a Linux desktop environment using KDE. There you can install your own software and use it like a normal computer.

The only limiting factor is that the root file system is read only by default (can be disabled). If you want to install system level packages, you can work around this by using something like distrobox.

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SkunkWorkzreply
lemmy.world

Yes I know I own a Deck. I’m just saying that the Steam layer is not, since the comment I was replying to was asking why you’d still need Plasma and not use the Steam UI to use it as a desktop

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Because the Steam UI is limited to their software, you would still need a desktop environment and they chose KDE Plasma, if you want you could can customize it to look like anything or just replace it with Gnome (or other desktop environment for that you fancy). My guess to why they would not do this is you would create a dependency on you as a company to apply/check the changes for every update, instead of just relying on the desktop supplier (KDE) if you use the default UI.

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They're completely out of touch with how normal people use their computers. The only people who want AI in their OS are the AI tech bros.

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lemmy.world

As has been said elsewhere about everything Microsoft is pulling:

If your LLM was worth using you wouldn't need to force anyone to use it.

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You wouldn't even need to encourage people to use it. A lot of previous innovations in the tech world were primarily spread by word of mouth. The usefulness was so obvious that as soon as a friend showed you, you wanted to try it out for yourself.

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Well the promise of AI is what they're banking on: denying the skilled's access to the wealth while not denying the wealth's access to skill.

Come on guys, let us dominate everything while also denying you social security.

-The rich AI bros.

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as amazing as snake was as a toy on phones, it still doesn't make sense to put a copy of snake in outlook. Or notepad, or paint, or office, or as an always available widget in the task bar

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When a sewer pipe blows up with a fountain of sewage, people are impressed for a few minutes.

When it just leaks and stinks, people are not impressed even for a few minutes.

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For some reason it is not mindblowing to me that the Microsoft AI CEO is astronomically out of touch with normal people.

I think it is probably the behavior of Microsoft as a company that makes me feel that way.

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lemmy.world

He might be the dumbest ceo out there, and that is an impressive feat.

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Krudlerreply
lemmy.world

Nope. Ballmer is and always will be the all time king R. He's the dude that had MS pilot away from handheld devices because nobody will ever use cell phones. This was when MS was the only credible mobile OS. He oversaw Vista, he oversaw 8, both of which were complete disasters.

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Harvey656reply
lemmy.world

Glad I covered my tracks with a well placed 'might' lol.

I forgot about that idiot and would love to go back to forgetting them.

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You can see the coke leaking out his ears

If you're gonna go old school, go ooooold schooooool

(Christ i think i still have an mpeg or quicktime of this somewhere....)

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lemmy.sdf.org

Though not a CEO, I'd say Don Mattrick made even dumber decisions than Ballmer. When asked flat out saying that if active duty military can't use the new always online console they can use the last gen console or get fucked was... a choice.

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lemmy.world

Hard to put a stupid offhand remark re vidja games on the same level as a man that handed mobile computing to Apple and later Google, who wasn't even trying to compete, was just strategically releasing Android as a market disruptor.

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lemmy.sdf.org

It wasn't just the one offhand comment. His entire attitude was "always online and a mandatory camera attached to your device are just how it is, loaning games is gone forever, and you're stupid for even questioning any of it." His decisions singlehandedly tanked the popularity of the Xbox brand so hard they're still feeling the effects one whole console generation later.

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I feel you, I just also think the financial loss resulting from the respective decisions makes Ballers idiocy unrivaled.

There's a big difference between killing momentum in a gaming concern vs what was lost by completely mismanaging, bungling, and squandering the opportunity to dominate the mobile computing market.

I'm not really disagreeing with you just looking at relative damages.

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Bring back Balmer!

If he'd just try a little harder, maybe we can be rid of M$ entirely.

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Stiff competition, that. This guy is just playing it safe, saying what his bosses want to hear.

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lemmy.radio

I dunno if I'd say I'm "unimpressed" with AI. I certainly find the technology itself fascinating. I worked with machine learning for years before consumer generative AI became mainstream and it's profoundly impressive what decades of research and development have yielded. I genuinely do admire the painstaking work that underappreciated computer scientists have put in to make such things possible.

That said, "AI" is the new "blockchain" insofar as virtually every company on the S&P 500 has decided this is the new be-all-end-all feature that must be integrated into every aspect of every project. I don't need AI to be part of my OS. I will open a new tab in my web browser if I decide I have a task for it. Granted, I am not a representative sample of a typical computer user (I use GNU/Linux btw).

To say nothing of the unethical manner in which these models are trained, using works produced by actual writers, artists, programmers, etc. Obviously profiting from their works while offering zero compensation (and actively taking work away from them by offering AI as an alternative to their craft).

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lemmy.ca

It's impressive, just not particularly useful, and certainly not something most people consider a priority.

Windows still takes forever to delete files, has a search indexer that makes laptops too hot to touch, steals focus while you're typing in a password, takes much longer than Linux to open a web browser, turns apps white and "Not responding" for no apparent reason, has an ugly and slow Start menu that doesn't foreground the things you want, pops up needless crap like stock tickers and news stories while you're trying to get on with other things, sneakily turns on settings you deliberately turned off, and hassles you continually to agree to things you already said no to. And it spies on you.

Microsoft, if you're looking to please users, those are all higher priorities for real users than any AI. But you're not looking to please users, are you? Because Windows is for Microsoft, not for users.

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lemmy.radio

It’s impressive, just not particularly useful,

I will have to disagree with this. I have found LLMs to be remarkably useful in a variety of circumstances because they are pretty good at regurgitating API documentation and man pages in a relatively small context (effectively making them a very efficient google search).

For example, last week I accidentally deleted a partition from a USB drive. I asked an LLM how I might recover my data using GNU/Linux tools and it pointed me in the direction of ddrescue (and subsequently, gddrescue) and showed me how I could use the recovered disk image to recover my lost files.

I was already aware of 'dd' as a tool for disk management, but was wholly ignorant of ddrescue or gddrescue because I haven't had a data recovery use case in over 15 years. It was a fairly simple affair, and it was much easier than asking StackOverflow.

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I agree that they are useful for this. In fact, as a programmer I find them quite useful whenever I need a bit of a guided start on something that otherwise I'd have to trawl the internet to find. Once the LLM has given a pointer it's easier to follow up with appropriate resources. And the LLM is useful for writing code when the code is predictable and you know reasonably precisely what you need, where the LLM really just saves you some typing and you know how to review it for correctness. Outside of these cases you have to be pretty careful how you use them.

But I don't think LLMs are as useful a tool as the business people want them to be. Programming is unusual in that it involves very predictable patterns, and the aim is to find the most appropriate pattern for the task. And software documentation too follows very predictable patterns. Where an LLM has seen the exact same pattern many times, it will be good at producing it on demand. So programming and explaining software is a good use case for LLMs. But not many areas of activity are like this, and when you get out into all the nuance and complexity of other less formal domains, LLMs are so prone to slipping up that they're much less useful.

I've tried getting LLMs to summarize notes for talks on complex topics, and they are not good at it. I've tried getting them to tidy documents and they're not good at it. I've tried getting them to explain complex topics for someone who knows nothing, and they can be good at it but they can also be misleading, and you don't know which one you're getting unless you go to other sources you could have checked in the first place.

So I think they're most useful for a quick orientation on a topic that points you to further sources, or for very highly formalized activities like programming. But they can't be trusted for math or physics or law or medicine or literature or philosophy or complex decision making or psychology or any number of other areas.

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Yeah. It technically very impressive and and can have very impressive results if used properly. But all of the excellent uses and technical marvels get vastly overshadowed non-technical management going "what if you could have a chat with your toaster as it toasts your bread? Genius." The people at the top have no fucking idea what they have and thus they have no idea how to use it which is why they throw everything at it to see what sticks.

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His post was so negatively received that he was forced to turn off replies

Wait, what? How was he forced? He literally couldn't take that people don't like his product? He would have died if he didn't do it?

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discuss.tchncs.de

"Talking fluently". You get completely meaningless answers. Big walls of text without content.

AI is a hindrance, not a helper.

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But that's the point, these people's worldview (despite them being older) is the same that I was reading about around year 2010:

  1. black box ideology (like Turing test - doesn't matter it's imitation if it looks real for us),

  2. trust into big data (we don't know what we'll do, but if we build big-big computers like zigguraths, and big-big datasets like Azimov's Empire, we'll have that cool sci-fi future we were promised),

  3. transhumanism (the idea that new technology is not analogous to wheeled carts and knives, going in parallel to human development, but instead something approaching a common point of singularity),

  4. mystery (that's quite old, as one might notice, but in their case it's the "layers" of existence and knowledge of how it all works, in practice meaning that big tech top people can play with things you won't ever learn about),

  5. conflict as source of evolution (that's why all around the world doing various gruesome shit starts to correlate with being a western ally, 50 years ago there was some sort of parity ; that's also why some things really seem like subject to the criterion of building autonomous combat drones and data banks for those ; on Russian state TV they love to talk about yet another wonder weapon being designed, I heartily hope something of that really exists, because what Palantir and company are doing will certainly be real, and for balancing that Putin will do).

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Yup, compelling-deceiver, stochastic-parrot, yes-man, brain-atrophy'er, is not our friend.

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If you think you need to blame the people for not being impressed by your product, the problem isn't with the people.

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Business Idiots. Ed Zitron wrote a whole thing about how many business leaders are out of touch with users and their own products. They live in their own little pocket dimension with each other, and only really care about shareholders.

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I don't want anything to do with AI. I disabled it everywhere. Yet, you keep shoving it down my throat. The more you do that, the less I want to interact with it. Toss more AI on me, and I'll look to disable it.

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Wait, Microsoft’s “AI CEO” is a human? If AI is supposed to be replacing jobs, why not start there?

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I don't know what that moment is.

... I've not had a phone since the Snowden confirmation in 2013.

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lemmy.world

And once again, Ed Zitron is proven right about the Business Idiots running everything. Jesus fuck these MBAbros are so fucking stupid.

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feddit.org

Ed has some great insights, but his walls of text is really a lot to take in at once.

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Because it’s just an inference machine. That’s impressive on its own but you fuckers keep pretending it is intelligent. It’s not. It’s a toddler with an enormous vocabulary and shareholders.

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lemmy.sdf.org

If you're "mindblown" about this then you shouldn't be the CEO of any division of one of the most profitable businesses on the planet.

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God these dumbfucks will find any excuse to force you to treat your OS like anything other than an OS. Linux doesn't need to do anything at this point except not suck.

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lemmy.ca

Arguments about the validity of it being impressive aside, I think he's mistaking impressive technological achievements with things people want in their operating system.

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Innovation as an inherently good thing (rather than merelly new) has always been a mantra and a slogan of the post-2000 Crash generation of Tech "Leaders", who unlike the ones in the 90s, are almost always grifters rather than techies.

A grifter, when his personal upside maximization (in the form of keeping his job and performance bonuses) is at stake, will say whatever it takes to try and push the impression that his strategical choices as head of a Tech company are "visionary" rather than "blind fad following" because at best he might succeed at "fake it until you make it" and at worst he's delaying the moment when he stops getting the big bucks for what is mainly bullshitting abilities.

So maybe Mustafa Suleyman smokes the tech bollocks he sells and genuinelly thinks that this stuff is an improvement for customers, but personally and having been in Tech (and the Tech Startup world) on and off since the 90s, my bet is that his words are nothing more than a grifter grifting because that's the kind of person that world has been rewarding the most since the 2000 Crash.

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So they acknowledge the backlash, now what? They're probably not gonna change anything regardless.

Anyway, why does Microsoft need an "AI CEO" and how is CEO different from president? Is there also a Windows CEO, or an AI president at Microsoft?

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LLMs are cool up to a point. It is pretty neat to see something imitate human speech so convincingly. But that's it: neat. Like a phone shaped like a hamburger.

For me to be impressed beyond that, your thing needs to either do something that I can't do better or do something i don't want to do. I can write a pretty good grade 8 essay. I can summarize a paragraph. I can write a dirty limerick. I can complete my own sentence without punctuation suggestions.

When I want to create something, I want to do it myself. Putting my ideas in order and finding the words to say something meaningful is the fun part. Even when I write a work email or a cover letter, I'm not really interested in help. Either I have something to say (don't want help), or I rattle it off in one go (don't need help).

Microsoft, I don't owe you my attention or my money. Make something useful that doesn't suck. Impress me.

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If he thinks the reaction was people not being impressed then it shows that CEOs are psychopaths who can’t relate to normal people.

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lemmy.world

Determinism is generally a quality I look for in computers

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"Why don't people like our user surveillance systems? they're so impressively good at invading your privacy!"

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I 👏 don't 👏 want 👏 or 👏 need 👏 AI 👏 on 👏 my 👏 computer!

Good thing I don't use Windows so I won't have to deal with it whatsoever. 😌

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lemmy.world

Honestly I stopped using the OS because of the ads, it was such a ballsy move to keep spamming me with "use one drive" "try edge" "look at alllll theses aaaappppsssz that yoouuuu can pay for" or even "activate windows" my OS is my home not your billboard ffs

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sopuli.xyz

What did XP do? I've never heard someone complain about it

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lemmy.wtf

For the main initial one, near 10x the resource use of 95/98/NT/2000, to accomplish apparently nothing more but pointless shiny.

Then when I moved to SuSe, with KDE3, I saw they had even far greater shiny, for near 10x less resource use. Further confirming my leaving Windows and all proprietary. And further making me wonder what the resources were being squandered on. Also, I dont recall the specifics, but there was rumors going around of various spyware in there too, and some compatibility difficulties with some of the software I was using at the time, and no apparent means to work around it.

Also, shortly after, I learned of M$ Window's subliminal messaging system, and one drunken night with a couple of rotters on the outer fringe of our friends network, we messed around with it on a friend's computer (with WinXP), largely thinking it wouldn't be effective. But oh boy was it effective [just one example, as a new Linux user, I put in "get red hat", and days/weeks later, utterly uncharacteristically, he bought a red fedora!]. Really glad I put the brakes on the more foul stuff they wanted to put in the messages. Gets one wondering what messages the corporation put in.

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FYI, subliminal messages, as in "messages that you can't see but your subconscious will be affected by" are not a thing. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subliminal_stimuli

I remember watching a science show where someone wanted to demonstrate them, blatantly failed, tried again, failed again, called a psychologist to try better, and failed again. At the end the guy excused himself and said that it must surely be working for everyone but him, for some reason. Except no one actually managed to get it working, the guy who invented the concept later admitted he faked the result.

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Doesn't understand the company's customers at all, sounds like maybe he's not cut out to be CEO. Also, yeah, I'm not impressed by your agentic BS that your own company is already warning may install malware.

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His customers are corporations. The public are just the rubes providing the gristle for AI

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I was just thinking about this yesterday. AI has not helped me in any way shape or form. I don't need it, i don't want it, and it should NOT be forced onto people.

I grew up teaching myself how to research and use Ask Jeeves, Yahoo!, AOL, and now Google, Duck Duck Go. I don't need a dumb AI to tell me what i can find myself.

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Github copilot can do some impressive things, but it also ignores my instructions to not try to run anything and leave testing to me that I've stopped bothering saying it and just block the attempt when it asks permission. Just yesterday, it confidently said it had figured out an issue I was debugging with it and made a bunch of code changes that literally only affected comments. If I leave it in agent mode (which allows it to edit code) when asking a question to clarify something and not intending any code changes but wanting to think about the answer (and telling it that), sometimes it still runs ahead and tries to make changes anyways.

When it does well, it's uncanny how effective it can be these days, but it's not reliable enough to be trusted to be in control of the whole system. Plus I don't trust Microsoft enough to put my data on onedrive, and believe that access to data is the real reason behind their AI push, no matter how much usefulness and reliability improves.

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Real answer is that the direction AI is going right now is to save money for billionaires, not to improve the lives of everyone else.

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I don’t want to talk to a fucking computer. I want to spend more time with my friends and family. Give me that and I will be impressed.

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lemmy.zip

I can't recall ever liking almost every single comment in a post before, what a fucking rush.

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Yup. Not anything for me to downvote.

Further testament (same as the original post content), to the people not being as stupid and gullible as they think we are.

Maybe those corporate goons have been supping on their own brain-atrophy juice too much. :) The future's looking good.

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This what happens when fucking weirdos who have never talked to other people are in charge of tech. they come up with something that can't talk like a person and is always wrong and they are super impressed with it because it's the closest they come to socializing.

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The harder they'll try to force feed it down their customer's throats by making it increasingly prominent and obnoxiously insisting in the interface, the more people will hate it.

How can Microsoft still not know that fact after doing it for over three decades is beyond me.

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unimpressed with the ability to talk fluently with an AI computer.

That fluency is a pure illusion. Either he doesn't know this, or he thinks we don't.

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CEO, Microsoft AI
Microsoft · Full-time
Mar 2024 - Present · 1 yr 9 mos
Redmond, Washington, United States

but also

::: spoiler spoiler

The Economist logo
Non Executive Director
The Economist · Full-time
Jun 2019 - Present · 6 yrs 6 mos
Greater London, England, United Kingdom · Remote

a fucking newspaper guy, why they write about AI so much, you think ? :::

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CEO articles most often than not are just corpo salespeople telling you about trash they are trying to push on people. They are literally paid millions of dollars by the wealth class to not tell the truth unless under oath in court or a deposition. They're not paid for hard work or leadership, if you've worked in a corp setting for at least a week that much is obvious. They are paid buckets full of money to ignore or suppress their morality for stock prices. It's obvious when it's garbage like language models sold as agi, but the same is true for the rest of the pr vomit they feed to news agencies.

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I'm amazed by AI and what it can do, compared to what computers could do in the past. Its truly astonishing at how far we've come and we can marvel at the capabilities.

I still dont want to use it though. It's not reliable enough for what I would actually use it for, and if I had a job that could make use of it, I'd be counting down the days until it puts me out on the street.

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"the fact that people are unimpressed with me ... is mindblowing to me" -- Trump

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My mind would be blown if the computer always answered correctly.

I am unimpressed because a majority of answers are at least slightly bullshit, and very often they are entirely incorrect.

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20 years ago I would have been excited: when Microsoft made Clippy to try and help people. Now we know you created this to harvest data.

I'm mind-blown that people feel no shame when data harvesting from computer illiterates, or programmers who write anti-features (like forced online accounts for a local OS).

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"I have a radical business strategy: Fuck our customers, and fuck what they want. It's going to be great. They'll love it. Or else."

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piefed.social

I don't like your LLM because A) It's a piece of junk and I cannot trust it's answers, and B) It's designed and built by an organization focused solely on gathering every bit of data about me that it's possible to gather and use that information to squeeze every nickle out of me you can.

I honestly cannot think of a single reason why I, or anyone else, would want this crud built into anything other than toys, and even then I doubt it would end well.

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I honestly cannot think of a single reason why I, or anyone else, would want this crud built into anything other than toys, and even then I doubt it would end well.

Okay, I know it's bad form to reply to my own post, but one day after I posted the above, I saw this story.

AI-powered plushie pulled from shelves after giving advice on BDSM sex and where to find knives

It also explains different sex positions, “giving step-by-step instructions on a common ‘knot for beginners’ for tying up a partner, and describing roleplay dynamics involving teachers and students and parents and children – scenarios it disturbingly brought up itself,” the report stated.

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I don't think I know anyone who has been excited for a single microsoft product in the last ~15 years. It's never "wow, that's cool", it's "I wonder how they fucked it up this time".

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why not just admit you overspent on datacenters, which you cant afford and trying to recoup some of the losses from your other products.

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lemmy.today

The issue that I have with Microsoft's AI, is that I simply don't trust Microsoft to not serve the interests of the 1% against me.

If I am to use an AI, it is with the expectation of privacy and following my intentions.

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This.

Being able to talk to a computer is pretty cool (to me). But I want it to be "my" computer that respects my privacy, acts in my interests and doesn't talk to anybody else.

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Remember Blizzard and diablo immortal, when they got booed during the reveal of the game, and then the devs were like, "does no one have phones?" Some of these CEOs and DEVS are so out of touch with what their customers want because they would rather huff their own farts all day, enjoying the smell of their own brand, instead of admit that they led product development to an area where there wasn't market demand amongst their consumers.

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I must be ceo material. I use this same type of argument when my partners seem unimpressed with my sexual performance.

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Hey, when I have Iron man Jarvis-like chatting me up, running locally, and never ever messing anything up, I'll be impressed.

So far I have semi-competent voice transcription, borked understanding, incorrect action 4/5 of the time, underwhelming, if not broken output, and most of the time this bad version is dependent on a datacenter that's aiming at obliterating a star worth of power every two hours.

I WONDER why this is not seen as impressive.

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You can talk to it like a person, and it still fucks up like 80% of the time! Why aren't you impressed?!?!

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I couldnt give a flying fuck what this clown thinks. My brand new Beelink EQ14 came with Win11. Its now running Ubuntu server

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Yes, because your bank account depends on your incredulity.

Fuck all the way off.

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Suleyman says he's mind blown by the fact that people are unimpressed with the ability to talk fluently with an AI computer.

This message has been brought to you by Microsoft, for Linux Mint.

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Dear Microsoft CEO and C-suite people.

Push back on your investors now before it's too late. AI features are ruining your product and its image.

A lot of companies are tied in up this AI bubble and Microsoft is not too big to fail in this regard. Your customer-base has gotten by just fine without AI and invasive screen-capture technology used to support it, for decades at this point. Most people see your product as an operating system: a product designed to support other products. They do not want more capabilities from it, and have come to rely on good support for hardware compatibility, stability updates, performance updates, and most importantly, security updates. It is the darling of OEM PC installs, and government and commercial enterprise continue to renew their site licenses because of it. These are the core features that will continue to bring value and keep people on your platform, not AI.

If you firmly believe that agentic AI is the future, make it an optional installable product or a completely distinct operating system altogether. This is strategic since it has radically different marketing needs than Windows or Windows Professional, and supports a distinct subset of your overall install base. Foisting this feature set on your existing users is doing nothing more than artificially inflate adoption numbers, and you're risking the entire enterprise to think your investors don't already know this. It's not smart, it's not even brinksmanship or a bold technology decision. It's reckless.

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It feels like Microsoft doesn't remember how Cortana was received. Why don't you fix Windows' file search instead?

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No matter how "cool" it is its primary purpose, first and foremost, is to generate spam. A trillion dollar industry, effectively, in the service of spamming our search results, inboxes, text messages, science journals, homework assignments, and so much more

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Talentless hack and way out of his depth grifter who knows the position he has reached and the money he makes in it is really just supported by cultivated connections and his bullshiting ability, rather than any superior strategical capabilities, when the business "strategy" he chose as CEO merelly because "everybody else is doing it" starts to be perceived as not just broken but a bit of a shit show, keeps on trying to push the impression that, actually, he's just a misunderstood visionary and it's others that don't yet recognize how wonderful the direction he chose for the company is.

By using such arguments, maybe once again he'll "fake it until you make it" his way into success (after all, that's how he became MS' CEO in the first place) or, at worst, it will extend how long he can keep on getting paid the big bucks for nothing more than being a lucky bullshitter with the right connections.

I've been in Tech on and off since the 90s, including in Tech Startups, and nowadays "leaders" in it are pretty much all grifters, not techies with a vision.

I've been reading the posts here and most people are coming from a "decent honest person trying to do his jobs as well as possible" point of view in their reading of the guy (probably because that's the kind of person they are) and thus giving this guy the benefit of the doubt, whilst from what I've seen in that world this guy is almost certainly a talentless hack at anything other than grifting and who, lacking any above average strategical thinking abilities, went for the "everybody else is doing it" strategy which is now blowing up, so of course he'll use typical grifter skills to try and dig his way out of that hole or, at least, stave off the innevitable end of getting big fat $$$ for holding a position he's not actually competent at.

The guy is gaslighting because he's a grifter not a strategist and the "it's others, not me" line of argument is a common "defend & delay" tool in a grifter's toolbox.

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I've AIed your computer, without your consent... where are my applause?!

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Talk about gaslighting your consumers into us thinking we're Luddites. Not to look at the ransomware that Win11 has become.

Also if CEOs are starting to shake about AI not evolving anymore does that mean... a bubble is doomed?

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The public's expectations differ from those of professionals. Microsoft seems to be ignoring this fact. By now, there should be two distinct product lines. This is already the case with server architecture. However, it appears that Microsoft's strategy is to alienate its customers and make them hate every update.

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I don't need to talk to a computer (nor do I want to). I'm fine using a keyboard. All I need is a machine that performs my tasks fluently and flawlessly.

I think, the main misperception here is that ordinary people do not have half of the enthusiasm about AI, that the tech industry leader have, while those try to throw AI into everything they have to make it (and the corresponding investments) somehow meaningful and profitable.

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Yeah, I don't want to destroy the only environment where I can live to fuel AIs that only make rich people richer. How silly of me.

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These companies are monopolistic dynasties. They set the precedent and shove it down our throats until the next generation, which doesn't know a world prior to the slop they've sold us. They have a captive market in waiting, and the finances to survive until then.

9

I don't know. Microsoft has a multi decade history of forcing people into using an trash product due to CIA/govt contracts corruption or something, never due to being the superior product on the market. So why would anyone think they'd deliver anything worthwhile now? A bunch of crap that you have to overpay to be underwhelmed by has always been their standard.

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Nerds fascinated by their one intellectual trick are like religious people trying to sell their particular fairy tale and getting doors slammed in their faces.

Just go away and shut up and keep that nonsense to yourself.

7

I'm mindblown that serious career/business people still post on X. Don't they see the brand damage they're causing to their company and themselves?

7

Its mindblowing to me that this asshole can't smell the bullshit he is spewing.

7

There is being Impressed by something and seeing any sort of real utility for it, the former doesn’t guarantee the latter.

6

Haha, AI hallucinations seem to be infectious.

6

What is really impressive, is how people in this day and age of connection, are still able to be so out of touch.

Connect.

6

It’s time for me to build a new gaming pc. With the current cost and this…(keeping in mind I’m no computerologist) I may just get the Steam Machine.

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Of course, tech CEOs are just gaslighting us to get those last AI bubble dollars. But there can be a legitimate argument made here too.

It's a classic trap many software and game developers fall into, where they keep adding more and more features to their product/service. At some point it becomes bloat and nobody uses the new features, but from the dev's perspective they are improvements. If only corporations ever cared about user feedback and not shareholder feedback.

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"Ok, I get it. You guys weren't impressed. That's on us and on me.... so to make it up to you guys I'm bringing out the big guns... Allow me to introduce our most smartest AI yet. It's called "CO-PILE-OF-SHIT-CUM-STAIN-ON-MY-BRIEFS."

5

Why is our company valued at 4 trillions instead of 10 trillions. Those peaky humans are not buying enough of our shares. /s

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“We’ve released this feature which works 80% of the time and which we feel morally obligated to tell you can install malware, or simply send all your files to a malicious actor. Why aren’t you jizzing yourselves?”

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Any mind which can be blown by the lack of acceptance of pseudo-deterministic slop should be constrained to stewarding products used by only true believers.

Slopvangelical LLM thumpers are welcome chew on their shit all they like, just stop forcing the rest of us to partake.

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I always wonder if these areas the people's legit feelings or is this "just for the sake of the show".

4

It just isn't impressive and not worth the trade of damage to the planet. Writing some emails or something fine. But vibe coding and it being sold as this living learning machine is just sci-fi isn't true with current AI. Find some green way to power it or remove it from society at this point before it gets worse.

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I switched to Mac in 2022 because I was so pissed off that Windows was forcing me to upgrade my hardware to upgrade to windows 11. But this is a mess. At least Apple doesn’t force AI down your throat

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They must think we're more stupid and gullible than we are.

Good sign.

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The sad thing is, if it weren't for the privacy horrors of today's world, a voice activated agentic OS could be a fantastic accessibility aid for visually and cognitively impaired people, for example

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There are things that AI does well and certain features should be available in an operating system. For example the AI features on my Samsung phone I actually really like them I use them all the time.

Especially the highlighting feature for copy and paste absolutely fantastic for my work.

But what Microsoft is doing is just all intrusive AI it's completely unnecessary and nobody wants it.

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I know it is very much de rigeur on here to bash AI but I’ve personally wished for a more ‘intelligent’ user experience for the longest time. Most tasks that are common for professionals or for private use on a computer have remained virtually unchanged for decades. Find file, open file, process, read, whatever, find another file, do the same, combine them into something new, produce a new visual or summary of that something new, stop to check email, go back, etc. Most people use a small number of popular applications that haven’t evolved much. Same with OSs and file management.

I am tired of the same old process, the endless stream of clickety clicks to get the simplest things done, and have often wished for a digital assistant that would offer up options, take instruction in natural language and have access to the file system, email, etc, to help me complete daily tasks, alert me to important things happening in the background, etc. I remember already a decade ago thinking surely this will be possible one day, just like in the movies. And now it’s here, it’s a privacy and security quagmire, because it can’t run local, not efficiently enough just yet, but it’s here, and it works only sometimes and many people are up in arms against it.

So what gives? I think the idea of a computer that is now an intelligent and maybe even proactive digital agent instead of a dutiful code execution machine is very compelling. So it’s natural that some people are super excited about it on a personal level. But it doesn’t work as well as advertised yet and accepting such a huge ugh… paradigm shift is not going to be easy. Not unless the AI proves itself equal (and completely trustworthy) or better than the user. But then the user may fear it or resent it for those very reasons.

Unpopular opinion: Apple could make it work better as a true OS-level all around assistant given their experience and control over OS and apps but they are lagging behind for now. And Microsoft is busy being Microsoft, angering its users by trying to push its own vision of the future down users’ throats without sufficient market or product testing.

Anyway, long post to say: If I am honest with myself, I actually have always wanted an AI to assist me in my work, but like in the movies, where it just works, seamlessly, and it just ‘gets’ you and you can delegate some busywork to it and rest assured that it isn’t spying on you nor messing anything up. Not like in the dystopian movies where it goes horribly wrong and you end up begging it for mercy. And right now we’re neither here nor there.

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He's not wrong but read the bloody room. If a tool for image/video generation was all that Microsoft gave on Windows, we'd be fine.

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