Probably would have if it was made by Palantir, since they seem to have no problems with particularly on the nose names. Although tbh I'm not sure who made the app after searching for a bit.
The state determines what is legal and illegal. It's mostly irrelevant in the discussion of the evil that a state does. Apartheid was legal, so was slavery, so was the Holocaust
The administration has shown they have less than zero respect for any sort of laws or precedents set by the past, and at this point whether something is illegal just blends into the background, as you could say they do illegal things every day. Dangerous is a more fitting term to provide a sense of urgency
everyone is in denial that everything will "return to normal" when trump dies, and hoping that happens within this 2nd term. mind you "normal" in that sense is unsustainable ratfucking of any and all public funds to the detriment of everything else
...when he dies and nothing else changes...
that's when shit goes from bad to worse real fucking quick
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No way they could explain how to do that to these apes. Apple and Google are complicit in this, they like being able to bribe Trump. Probably just need to add their name to the list of people that can see it in the app store.
It's likely a work profile type dealio, right? My last job you could activate the work profile and it automatically installed the work appropriate apps.
No, they are just using a standard MDM solution. Device gets setup on the organization Mobile Device Management system, and it has its own app store with the apps the business uses. There is not requirement for apps to be listed in the App Store or Play Store. Any business can provide their own apps for use in their MDM system.
Fucking excuse me? An app is supposed to override my goddamn birth certificate? Absolutely not. In fact, I’ll be damned if I let a cop scan my face without putting up a fight. I’m walking away unless detained, and if I’m detained, I’m not doing a fucking thing until I have my lawyer.
Edit: Look up and commit to memory the phone number of your local chapter of the National Lawyers Guild, if you don’t already have an attorney’s contact information ready at hand.
There's no due process anymore. Why do you believe you'll ever be granted a lawyer, let alone a phone call, or a court date? They're just out there assaulting and disappearing people.
Why would I give in without putting up a fight? Is throwing my hands up and going “oops, no due process, out of luck” going to do me any good? I’m sure they’ll try to do illegal things, but courts do still exist, and I want them to have to fight tooth and nail to be allowed to do what they want
You also get a court-appointed lawyer if you don’t have other options and staying silent in jail for a week is preferable to admitting whatever they want you to admit to secure a conviction.
Don’t Talk Without A Lawyer (Working for You) Present.™
I wish you well but you may be underestimating how far down we've gone. If you try to walk away or put up a fight, and you will be swarmed by cops who will take you to the ground with no concern for the injury they are doing. At the least you will be bleeding, at the worst you'll get some broken ribs or worse.
Once they're done beating on you, you will be detained, I won't say arrested, and you will be taken to an ICE facility where you will not get a phone call or access to a lawyer or medical care. After a day or two, maybe less, you will be transferred to an ICE facility a few states away, or maybe on the other side of the nation. Your friends and family will not be informed and will have no way to find you until ICE decides you've had enough and let's you go. Assuming they don't just deport you for the hell of it.
Remember, until you prove you're a citizen, you don't get due process. And of course, without due process you can't prove you are a citizen.
An app is supposed to override my goddamn birth certificate?
The issueance of said birth certificates is a power reserved to the states, and state-issued documents must be given full faith and credit. US citizenship is supposed to be secondary to someone's citizenship to the state. So, if the states have to give them credit, so too must the federal government.
Your reading comprehension sucks btw my
Initial comment is much more general then just this one app. You thinking I need an excuse says enough, i don’t need one to add to the conversation.
You know damn well what “mobile Fortnite” is going to get you as a search result and it’s not like 60% of results aren’t ai written and copying eachother.
If you are such an expert on this software how about you enlighten us.
Have a Happy Halloween now and stop fighting people that are presumably on your side, by which I hope to mean against automised mass surveillance.
I’m sure they have my face already, I have a drivers license. I struggle to see how they could scan my face without being somewhere in roughly the same physical proximity though
Cameras have gotten crazy good, I know the standard looking cameras in my local airport can scan faces because they were very proud of how efficiently they could detect known criminals.
Then they just send a team to arrest, formalities are over before you realise your being apprehended.
Of course an airport is a high security area but cameras are increasingly everywhere.
Man anonymous and whoever are just script kiddies apparently. A decade into this fuckery and - what? They downloaded ICE agent names to pass amongst themselves and giggle about?
It’s the smartphone version of “I smelled marijuana,” bet there’s a setting to double tap a button and flag an offending person regardless of documentation.
And China doesn't have any black people, for whom facial rec is notoriously inaccurate.
Oh, yeah, false positives all over the place.
If you get ensnared by this little scheme, make the best of it. Keep track of everything that happens during your detainment, down to the slightest inconvenience, because you are going to blow that up when you get your case into a courtroom. Make these Sociopathic Oligarchs fund your (hopefully early) retirement.
The first line kinda ignores the minorities in China. It's mostly Han so the minorities suffer similar discrimination there due to lack of representation or excessive regional enforcement
I'm not saying that China doesn't have its own forms of racism and discrimination, I was just pointing out that studies have shown that facial recognition systems are far less accurate with black people, which America has in far higher numbers than China. If there are already going to be false positives for a country like China, it's going to be much higher in America, where we have a population segment that doesn't really exist in China, which has a notorious poor accuracy for facial rec.
Either that or it has database of who is US citizen or who is here on VISA or something, and if not it deports but it has many points of failure like your ID photo or whatever photo can be bald, but you in the meantime grew hair a little and here it can possibly think you are different person. Especially considering app being "definitive determination" according to screenshot and it overrides birth certificate, like I could see possibility someone getting falsely accused (hopefully not) because they changed their appearance a bit idk.
There's already stories of US citizens being detained despite having valid ID on them. There's financial incentives for them to bring in as many people as possible and they don't care if they get it wrong.
They don't deserve the benefit of the doubt. Facial recognition has already resulted in false arrests, damage to people's homes, vehicles, livelyhood etc by normal police. ICE has even less supervision and is known to willingly hire people with violent crime records.
I'll say it again: If they remotely deserved the benefit of the doubt, we wouldn't be looking at the reality we currently inhabit.
Doesn't mean a lot online, talking to a bunch of people who don't know you from Adam. Better to start speaking like this in person with your neighbors, preferably not in range of any recording devices. A single neighbor that knows that you're willing to raise up arms in their defense is worth more than any number of online strangers that you couldn't possibly help defend
Also, maiming makes them an overall drag on their family. So, not only would the shitstain suffer the consequences of signing onto a Nazi movement, but their family would be burdened by it too. Also, it would cause that maimed person to serve as a warning to other would-be shitstains: let this serve as a warning about what happens when you sign on. It's not just about the maiming, its about sending a message.
The Vietkong knew this and employed this mentality well in Vietnam.
I think it "overrides" proof of citizenship because of the numbers theyre told to deport. A "figure it out later, but get the deportation numbers now" scenario
Yeah, in a way they're really just saying out loud the quiet part: that their job is to arrest people who "don't look right", quite independently of being an illegal immigrant, legal immigrant or even a citizen.
Having the "app" as an intermediary in the decision process is just a "computer says" way to isolate themselves from the responsabilities of what is in fact their choice (as the app was still configured/trained per their instructions so it's nothing but a computer agent dirctly or indirectly executing their instructions)
Not at all an accident. And indicative of how they want to deport (or worse) legal aliens. And further, we've seen them deport many natural born American citizens from minority groups they are targeting.
I really really really hope that when this is all said and done, every single one of these people face consequences. And we all know what consequences the people want.
Over 70% of the government of West Germany in the 1950s was made up of Nazis. De-nazification literally never happened anywhere except the USSR. The USSR even had to build a wall in Berlin to keep the Nazis from coming over and fucking with things.
The USSR put plenty of Nazis in power. The problem they had was that there were a lot of Nazis or Nazi supporters. It's hard to say how effective the USSR's denazification was, they didn't let us see a lot of their data at the time. Looking at the map for AFD support though, I'm not sure it has as long term of an effect as it should have.
Wait, like match = definitive OK? Or no match = definitive OK? Or no match = definitive not OK? I ask because the details are quite bedeviled.
The first is relatively benign, since it would be a “greedy” OK-list that errs on the side of leaving people alone and otherwise, in a no-match case, requires using traditional methods for identity verification. That kind of app would be the equivalent of Global Entry or TSA Pre-check, an efficiency measure to wave familiar faces through.
The second is worse because it acts as an overconfident not-OK-list that usually errs on the side of leaving people alone but doesn’t account for false positives.
The third is what the headline implies. It’s an OK-list that aggressively errs on the side of “not OK.” The only reason to make an app like that is computer says no.
That’d be case 3: when in doubt, detain. Blatantly illegal.
What made me think that it wasn’t that case was that OP mentions app specifies whether or not an order of deportation had been issued.
If that is one of several possible “detain” conditions, the app would function like case 2. If that was the only trigger for detention, the app would function like case 1.
That’d be case 3: when in doubt, detain. Blatantly illegal.
The point of these programs is to eliminate 'doubt', the agent KNOWS that the machine is saying that the target should be detained and that's all they need for an excuse to effect an arrest.
The fact that their knowledge is based on flawed technology isn't something that you can argue in the field, only in front of a judge which is well after you've been arrested.
This technology is used like drug sniffing dogs are used now. They provide an excuse, probable cause, and the fact that it's completely possible to arbitrarily generate probable cause isn't something that helps you during your encounter.
It's a shit tactic but, absent legislation from a working government, law enforcement can get away with shady and unconstitutional tactics. Since we don't have a functioning federal government we have to deal with these shady tactics from law enforcement and hope that courts will eventually find the truth.
Dude. Its an extra excuse. Everything is an excuse. Please stop pretending there's coherent reasoning or consistent logic here. It's all pure exercise of power shit.
You may have misunderstood me. I asked because knowing how their weapons work has immediate strategic implications for my community. I’m not attempting to justify, lessen any alarm, or describe secret police as anything but what they are.
Yes. Biometric data is a unique pattern for certain biological features. Fingerprints are an easy one, the retina is another. These are relatively simple 3D projections onto a 2D surface. The distances between pattern landmarks are recorded as the biometric data.
This is facial recognition at most. Facial recognition is flawed, as it isn't a 3D projection onto a 2D surface, it is a 3D projection estimated from a 2D image.
Without the actual distance measurements and ratios, there is no "biometric signature." It could be done, but like I said, you'd need 3D cameras, and phones are not capable of processing that.
I can't believe nobody has noticed this in their rage boner, but this is double hearsay. Some dude said that he was told by other dude that this is going on.
I'm all for people fearing and even hating ICE, but this one smells funky.
Rules and procedure is great but what people do is all that really matters. Deferring to the list provided and 'just doing my job' is not a justifiable reason to commit crimes against humanity.
of course the app creators intended it to be used like that. anyone in that field knew exactly where things were likely to head because they always head that way. if you hadn't paid attention to that type of surveillance technology that you might not know but these people definitely did. They wanted it, they got it, and now they're pretending to be embarrassed.
We've got an issue here. It won't let me see the post. I believe you, but is there an archive version of this?
Edit: Here is the original article: https://www.404media.co/ice-and-cbp-agents-are-scanning-peoples-faces-on-the-street-to-verify-citizenship/
Archive link since that's behind a paywall: https://archive.ph/C7jJu
Exclusive: algorithm used by fascism app has been leaked!
And yet apps helping identify ICE agents are taken down.
Rules for thee, yada yada
My immediate thought as well.
I actually do not understand how some people find this unconcerning. This is like blatantly dangerous.
I'm just surprised that they didn't call the app Minority Report - I mean it's right there and so accurate
Probably would have if it was made by Palantir, since they seem to have no problems with particularly on the nose names. Although tbh I'm not sure who made the app after searching for a bit.
Doesn’t OP’s pic say “developers at CBP”?
Though I’m surprised they have “developers” on staff. I’d guess they were contractors?
probably using palintir derived app?
40% of the population.
Dangerous? It’s outrageously illegal. Unless we’re just gonna say all documentation is null and void. Which. We’re not.
The state determines what is legal and illegal. It's mostly irrelevant in the discussion of the evil that a state does. Apartheid was legal, so was slavery, so was the Holocaust
The administration has shown they have less than zero respect for any sort of laws or precedents set by the past, and at this point whether something is illegal just blends into the background, as you could say they do illegal things every day. Dangerous is a more fitting term to provide a sense of urgency
everyone is in denial that everything will "return to normal" when trump dies, and hoping that happens within this 2nd term. mind you "normal" in that sense is unsustainable ratfucking of any and all public funds to the detriment of everything else
...when he dies and nothing else changes...
that's when shit goes from bad to worse real fucking quick
Fascism: there's an app for that!
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Uhm excuse me is this app available in an official app store? Does this mean ICE SIDELOADED THEIR APP?
No way they could explain how to do that to these apes. Apple and Google are complicit in this, they like being able to bribe Trump. Probably just need to add their name to the list of people that can see it in the app store.
It's likely a work profile type dealio, right? My last job you could activate the work profile and it automatically installed the work appropriate apps.
Yes. Easily. They can probably bypass all of the app store review requirements n shit too that way.
No, they are just using a standard MDM solution. Device gets setup on the organization Mobile Device Management system, and it has its own app store with the apps the business uses. There is not requirement for apps to be listed in the App Store or Play Store. Any business can provide their own apps for use in their MDM system.
Serious answer to non-serious question, corpos can deliver apps to phones past app stores, e.g. intune/company portal etc.
Fucking excuse me? An app is supposed to override my goddamn birth certificate? Absolutely not. In fact, I’ll be damned if I let a cop scan my face without putting up a fight. I’m walking away unless detained, and if I’m detained, I’m not doing a fucking thing until I have my lawyer.
Edit: Look up and commit to memory the phone number of your local chapter of the National Lawyers Guild, if you don’t already have an attorney’s contact information ready at hand.
There's no due process anymore. Why do you believe you'll ever be granted a lawyer, let alone a phone call, or a court date? They're just out there assaulting and disappearing people.
Why would I give in without putting up a fight? Is throwing my hands up and going “oops, no due process, out of luck” going to do me any good? I’m sure they’ll try to do illegal things, but courts do still exist, and I want them to have to fight tooth and nail to be allowed to do what they want
Well you either submit and risk getting deported or you resist and likely just end up dead or with life long injuries and deported.
You arnt owed due process since your arnt ever arrested. You don't go to court.
Ice is superceding the system by just side stepping it.
You also get a court-appointed lawyer if you don’t have other options and staying silent in jail for a week is preferable to admitting whatever they want you to admit to secure a conviction.
Don’t Talk Without A Lawyer (Working for You) Present.™
I wish you well but you may be underestimating how far down we've gone. If you try to walk away or put up a fight, and you will be swarmed by cops who will take you to the ground with no concern for the injury they are doing. At the least you will be bleeding, at the worst you'll get some broken ribs or worse.
Once they're done beating on you, you will be detained, I won't say arrested, and you will be taken to an ICE facility where you will not get a phone call or access to a lawyer or medical care. After a day or two, maybe less, you will be transferred to an ICE facility a few states away, or maybe on the other side of the nation. Your friends and family will not be informed and will have no way to find you until ICE decides you've had enough and let's you go. Assuming they don't just deport you for the hell of it.
Remember, until you prove you're a citizen, you don't get due process. And of course, without due process you can't prove you are a citizen.
The issueance of said birth certificates is a power reserved to the states, and state-issued documents must be given full faith and credit. US citizenship is supposed to be secondary to someone's citizenship to the state. So, if the states have to give them credit, so too must the federal government.
Bold of you to assume they don’t already have your face and that they need to be in your vicinity to scan it.
... What do you think they even have an app for.
To receive a notification that someone got detected?
To be fair no where does it state this is a phone app and how it actually works.
It probably isn’t but for all I know this is someone sitting in an office with a tablet connected to all kinds of public cameras.
Very heavily implies a mobile device of some sort...if you can't put together the context clues, that's between you and your first grade teacher.
Well if you are going to be pedantic about it.
Because it does read like it’s something mobile.
Because It literally doesn’t. Software on a laptop used in a van checks all boxes. App is short for “application” and not phone exclusive.
It probably isn’t but for all I know this is someone sitting in an office with a tablet connected to all kinds of public cameras.
It probably isn’t because I am just throwing out an example while only half sober.
Just put together the context clues and maybe there was no need to be so needlessly annoying.
This was a lot of excuses for you being wrong.
Like, you could look up the name of the app and not have made up all this bullshit just to justify your speaking from ignorance.
my god you are insufferable.
Your reading comprehension sucks btw my Initial comment is much more general then just this one app. You thinking I need an excuse says enough, i don’t need one to add to the conversation.
You know damn well what “mobile Fortnite” is going to get you as a search result and it’s not like 60% of results aren’t ai written and copying eachother.
If you are such an expert on this software how about you enlighten us.
Have a Happy Halloween now and stop fighting people that are presumably on your side, by which I hope to mean against automised mass surveillance.
I’m sure they have my face already, I have a drivers license. I struggle to see how they could scan my face without being somewhere in roughly the same physical proximity though
Cameras have gotten crazy good, I know the standard looking cameras in my local airport can scan faces because they were very proud of how efficiently they could detect known criminals.
Then they just send a team to arrest, formalities are over before you realise your being apprehended.
Of course an airport is a high security area but cameras are increasingly everywhere.
Sounds like a visit from some hackers to make everyone legal is in order.
Man anonymous and whoever are just script kiddies apparently. A decade into this fuckery and - what? They downloaded ICE agent names to pass amongst themselves and giggle about?
SAD!
Even China's facial recognition is wrong like 20-30% of the time
This is going to have so many false positives...
That's the idea.
It’s the smartphone version of “I smelled marijuana,” bet there’s a setting to double tap a button and flag an offending person regardless of documentation.
And China doesn't have any black people, for whom facial rec is notoriously inaccurate.
Oh, yeah, false positives all over the place.
If you get ensnared by this little scheme, make the best of it. Keep track of everything that happens during your detainment, down to the slightest inconvenience, because you are going to blow that up when you get your case into a courtroom. Make these Sociopathic Oligarchs fund your (hopefully early) retirement.
The first line kinda ignores the minorities in China. It's mostly Han so the minorities suffer similar discrimination there due to lack of representation or excessive regional enforcement
I'm not saying that China doesn't have its own forms of racism and discrimination, I was just pointing out that studies have shown that facial recognition systems are far less accurate with black people, which America has in far higher numbers than China. If there are already going to be false positives for a country like China, it's going to be much higher in America, where we have a population segment that doesn't really exist in China, which has a notorious poor accuracy for facial rec.
Might wanna be careful with those genie wishes, in context.
Is something like that is that wrong it cannot be admissible in court.
I'm not sure why you think the courts would be involved.
Maybe that's part of why they don't want any of these people to step foot in court
Potentially, but they have been detaining people before they can see a court and deporting them immediately, they don't care.
Yeah apps are known to be 100% reliable and without bugs.
::: spoiler Tap for spoiler /sarcasm :::
I bet it just checks the colour of people's skins.
Either that or it has database of who is US citizen or who is here on VISA or something, and if not it deports but it has many points of failure like your ID photo or whatever photo can be bald, but you in the meantime grew hair a little and here it can possibly think you are different person. Especially considering app being "definitive determination" according to screenshot and it overrides birth certificate, like I could see possibility someone getting falsely accused (hopefully not) because they changed their appearance a bit idk.
There's already stories of US citizens being detained despite having valid ID on them. There's financial incentives for them to bring in as many people as possible and they don't care if they get it wrong.
They don't deserve the benefit of the doubt. Facial recognition has already resulted in false arrests, damage to people's homes, vehicles, livelyhood etc by normal police. ICE has even less supervision and is known to willingly hire people with violent crime records.
I'll say it again: If they remotely deserved the benefit of the doubt, we wouldn't be looking at the reality we currently inhabit.
I want everyone to be speaking like this, so I will lead by example.
If they fucking try it, I will kill them. Then and there.
Doesn't mean a lot online, talking to a bunch of people who don't know you from Adam. Better to start speaking like this in person with your neighbors, preferably not in range of any recording devices. A single neighbor that knows that you're willing to raise up arms in their defense is worth more than any number of online strangers that you couldn't possibly help defend
On an unrelated note, the Second Amendment is not just for conservatives
I have. I threatened to castrate a co-worker if he touches me again.
yeeaahhhh goverment goons aren't gonna take me alive. Nobody should ever, ever go peacefully.
If you go peacefully, you are helping them. Don't go peacefully. Fight them.
I'm interested in the Trolley Problem of a hypothetical murder of an ICE agent weighed against the hypothetical murder of a random member of the 1%.
Pull the lever when the trolly is halfway across do it slides down both tracks
throw the trolly in reverse, go back to the junction, switch tracks and back over the other guy too.
I fucking love lemmy.
Don't kill. Maim. Make them ugly and weak. More useful than dead.
Also, maiming makes them an overall drag on their family. So, not only would the shitstain suffer the consequences of signing onto a Nazi movement, but their family would be burdened by it too. Also, it would cause that maimed person to serve as a warning to other would-be shitstains: let this serve as a warning about what happens when you sign on. It's not just about the maiming, its about sending a message.
The Vietkong knew this and employed this mentality well in Vietnam.
You want us in jail?
Who would win?
An app connected to a server
1 itty bitty DDOS attack
Error, couldn't reach server. Default judgment: guilty
Is it time for LOIC to make a comeback?
Double tap to declare guilty and deport. Single tap to deport
I think it "overrides" proof of citizenship because of the numbers theyre told to deport. A "figure it out later, but get the deportation numbers now" scenario
Yeah, in a way they're really just saying out loud the quiet part: that their job is to arrest people who "don't look right", quite independently of being an illegal immigrant, legal immigrant or even a citizen.
Having the "app" as an intermediary in the decision process is just a "computer says" way to isolate themselves from the responsabilities of what is in fact their choice (as the app was still configured/trained per their instructions so it's nothing but a computer agent dirctly or indirectly executing their instructions)
This is analogous to drug sniffing dogs; the purpose isn't that the technique is valid, it's that is provides a plausible excuse for an action.
The app is just that Family Guy colour chart.
The wording of "alien" is pretty disturbing in and of itself. Not illegal or anything, not "foreign", but "alien". Might as well just say "unwanted".
There are a whole lot of aliens with citizenship. Both people that have naturalized and citizens born abroad to American parents.
Yup, just the word itself has a very strong connotation to something negative or dangerous, so I doubt it's by accident that they chose this word.
Not at all an accident. And indicative of how they want to deport (or worse) legal aliens. And further, we've seen them deport many natural born American citizens from minority groups they are targeting.
I'm just wondering, why hasn't a civil war already started against this?
Hello, puny earthlings, it is I, the Alien. Surrender, or you shall suffer.
/j
Wait, are you saying that we will stop suffering if you are in charge?
I am in, you got my vote.
!!!!! DeathByBigSag for Leader of the World 2025!!!!!
It wasn't an exclusive or.
I really really really hope that when this is all said and done, every single one of these people face consequences. And we all know what consequences the people want.
Just like the Nazis!! Oh wait USA has pardon most of them, specially in Japan (They're still in power)
Over 70% of the government of West Germany in the 1950s was made up of Nazis. De-nazification literally never happened anywhere except the USSR. The USSR even had to build a wall in Berlin to keep the Nazis from coming over and fucking with things.
Go back to .ml
Typical libshit. When confronted by facts that contradict their worldview, they resort to ad hominems.
The USSR put plenty of Nazis in power. The problem they had was that there were a lot of Nazis or Nazi supporters. It's hard to say how effective the USSR's denazification was, they didn't let us see a lot of their data at the time. Looking at the map for AFD support though, I'm not sure it has as long term of an effect as it should have.
Boomerberg trails.
"I was just following (apps) orders!"
https://www.404media.co/zennis-anti-facial-recognition-glasses-are-eyewear-for-our-paranoid-age/?ref=daily-stories-newsletter
Might be time to pick up some anti face recognition glasses…
wearing face mask as the ice people are doing, also probably wear something that cant be yanked off easily.
Amazing. An app decides if a human being goes to the camps. What a time to be alive.
IBM: first time?
Thank you!
If the Israelis have rolled it out in Palestine then it’s coming to a theater near you! See: The Palestinian Laboratory. The Palestinian Laboratory. .
https://www.wikihow.com/Make-an-Electromagnetic-Pulse
Wait, like match = definitive OK? Or no match = definitive OK? Or no match = definitive not OK? I ask because the details are quite bedeviled.
The first is relatively benign, since it would be a “greedy” OK-list that errs on the side of leaving people alone and otherwise, in a no-match case, requires using traditional methods for identity verification. That kind of app would be the equivalent of Global Entry or TSA Pre-check, an efficiency measure to wave familiar faces through.
The second is worse because it acts as an overconfident not-OK-list that usually errs on the side of leaving people alone but doesn’t account for false positives.
The third is what the headline implies. It’s an OK-list that aggressively errs on the side of “not OK.” The only reason to make an app like that is computer says no.
Regardless, fuck ICE. Fuck Trump.
If they scan your face and it says you're illegally in the country then you're getting arrested, no matter what evidence you have to the contrary.
False positives are arrested and held in custody until the legal system can get to them.
That’d be case 3: when in doubt, detain. Blatantly illegal.
What made me think that it wasn’t that case was that OP mentions app specifies whether or not an order of deportation had been issued.
If that is one of several possible “detain” conditions, the app would function like case 2. If that was the only trigger for detention, the app would function like case 1.
The point of these programs is to eliminate 'doubt', the agent KNOWS that the machine is saying that the target should be detained and that's all they need for an excuse to effect an arrest.
The fact that their knowledge is based on flawed technology isn't something that you can argue in the field, only in front of a judge which is well after you've been arrested.
This technology is used like drug sniffing dogs are used now. They provide an excuse, probable cause, and the fact that it's completely possible to arbitrarily generate probable cause isn't something that helps you during your encounter.
It's a shit tactic but, absent legislation from a working government, law enforcement can get away with shady and unconstitutional tactics. Since we don't have a functioning federal government we have to deal with these shady tactics from law enforcement and hope that courts will eventually find the truth.
Dude. Its an extra excuse. Everything is an excuse. Please stop pretending there's coherent reasoning or consistent logic here. It's all pure exercise of power shit.
You may have misunderstood me. I asked because knowing how their weapons work has immediate strategic implications for my community. I’m not attempting to justify, lessen any alarm, or describe secret police as anything but what they are.
Its an excuse. Positive ID overrides.
It's always an excuse.
Totally.
I think the app tells them either way.
Corporate data superseding government data. Can't image how this could possible end badly. /s
Life comes full circle Nazis did genocide to Jews so now Israeli are enabling Nazis, while carrying out genocide of their own.
"Computer says no."
God fucking damn it you beat me to it by mere moments
They can't get biometric data from a face though.
Unless they have 3D scanning cameras baked in, there is no way for the camera to know the real depth of the face features.
This sounds like they're just scanning faces against a set of identified easy targets. If they get a match of an easy target they kidnap that person.
The app just determines skin color and goes from there.
Are you sure this is up to date information?
Edit: The reason I say this is because of this post: https://sh.itjust.works/post/48773975/21833637
Yes. Biometric data is a unique pattern for certain biological features. Fingerprints are an easy one, the retina is another. These are relatively simple 3D projections onto a 2D surface. The distances between pattern landmarks are recorded as the biometric data.
This is facial recognition at most. Facial recognition is flawed, as it isn't a 3D projection onto a 2D surface, it is a 3D projection estimated from a 2D image.
Without the actual distance measurements and ratios, there is no "biometric signature." It could be done, but like I said, you'd need 3D cameras, and phones are not capable of processing that.
I hear you. But this is the government, he's probably using a government device. Not a samsung or apple off the shelf.
Trust me, a Samsung or Apple off the shelf is gonna be better than anything issued to the field.
or, it gives them an excuse to detain people.
Well... they're definitely deporting Obama
Make sure they do Melania too.
Dude. You know they won't.
There's a reason why Google is banning sideloading... its not a coincidence
It's because Apple is getting away with it, and they want to use their own play store to force you ads.
That's right up there with using dowsing rods to find ley lines to find witches to burn.
Dowsing rods are basically chance. Facial recognition has well known problems with non-white faces.
If we feed in enough images of trump from videos, bet one will say he's not a citizen.
There's gonna be SOOOO many lawsuits over this.
nah, in next step all lawsuits will be expelled
Except the ones from Trump and his cronies. :|
sorry but did anybody expect ICE "agents" to have functioning brains?
I can't believe nobody has noticed this in their rage boner, but this is double hearsay. Some dude said that he was told by other dude that this is going on.
I'm all for people fearing and even hating ICE, but this one smells funky.
This is ice officials talking to journalists.
Ice official... So... a dude? Probably incompetent and misinformed at that.
Assumed scepticism isn't a boon.
I mean... to be fair, a lot of news stories are just heresay witness testimony.
So do some of the comments here.
Rules and procedure is great but what people do is all that really matters. Deferring to the list provided and 'just doing my job' is not a justifiable reason to commit crimes against humanity.
The next step is to set this app up to declare anyone who is known to criticize Trump as an illegal alien.
America, WAKE THE HELL UP RIGHT NOW.
of course the app creators intended it to be used like that. anyone in that field knew exactly where things were likely to head because they always head that way. if you hadn't paid attention to that type of surveillance technology that you might not know but these people definitely did. They wanted it, they got it, and now they're pretending to be embarrassed.
On the bright side, you can definitevely change your gender at birth just before you get shot. So that's a thing.
At school? Or, do you mean in the coming Republicans' planned genocide?
Oh, either or, or both are likely. What repugnant hell...
WTH are you talking about
I have no idea, but I get things right more often than AI, so... organic response?
It was meant to speak on the importance of identity affirmation for trans people, but with a dark lilt, given the shitty nature of current society.
I missed the part where this is even remotely legal.
Legal? This administration is run by the convict-in-chief.