As Microsoft Forces Users to Ditch Windows 10, It Announces That It’s Also Turning Windows 11 into an AI-Controlled Monstrosity
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I will continue to enjoy my incredibly straightforward and to the point Linux desktop that’s somehow gained a new AI-free feature by doing nothing.
Don't you want a bunch of pop-ups nagging you to use their AI gimmicks, though?
Damn it! I’m in.
Would you be able to point me toward a good thread about "beginner-friendly" distros that works well with games?
I honestly have no idea what to trust when it comes to this
Bazzite is specifically for PC gaming and is a very friendly starter distro.
Bazzite, definitely.
Pop!_os worked fine for me out of the box. The UI is a little mac-like (dock on bottom, spotlight like search when you hit the super key) by default.
Steam just works. Heroic launcher just works. It's simple.
I've also used mint, but had slightly less luck with its install working out of the box. All issues fixed eventually but there was some head scratching.
Linux nerds tend to have opinions and it's easy to lose sight of what it's like as a beginner.
But ultimately it's pretty easy to switch distributions. They're all free.
Linux Mint has been able to run games for me. Look up the steam proton virtual windows tool
Winboat
Don't go onto specialized distro. Just use the main ones like Mint (which is based on Ubuntu, which is based on Debian). I would say that Debian is the best one, but it needs to read some docs if you have a Nvidia Graphic card (but if not, it should be easy and super stable). Bazzite, Nobara, etc, are based on distro that are quickly changing (Fedora or Arch), which are really nice in their own way, but as a beginner, you need stability first!
Try this : https://www.linuxmint.com/edition.php?id=325 It is Linux Mint, but directly based on Debian instead of Ubuntu!
I don't agree that Debian is a good choice for a gamer - it sacrifices performance and features for stability, which is not ideal for gamers, who probably want to run the newest drivers and featuresets. Don't get me wrong, I really like Debian, but as an server os, not for a gaming machine. Something based on Arch or Fedora is a lot better for the rapidly changing environment we are talking about, they can adapt much quicker than Debian.
I have a been using it for 2 years and I was playing games without any problems. Thus said, I agree that they need to setup nvidia drivers if they are unlucky to have one.
I'd say especially for beginners it's important that Nvidia GPUs work out of the box. Someone coming from Windows would likely not think highly of an OS that needs extra steps for something that just works on Windows, and there are enough Linux distros offering just that.
I installed Mint a week ago and it has played all of the 13 games I tried without any effort from me, except one which ProtonDB told me to change the compatibility mode in the steam properties then it worked great.
I would say see the ProtonDB entries for some games you like to set your expectations.
Pop_OS! and Bazzite were the first two I tried when I made the switch. They were advertised as working right out of the box, which they did not for me.
When I was trying Nobara, I learned I had to run something in the command line to get gamemode to work properly with Steam. Ever since then, Nobara has worked for my gaming needs.
A few tweaks are needed here and there, but it's literally copy and paste from protondb.
Distribution are basically a bunch of presets, nobara is just fedora with a few gaming defaults, bazzite is immutable fedora, popos is ubuntu... If you can pinpoint the problem you probably could've fixed it in both bazzite and popos without moving around; there's thousands of different pc configurations so ymmv across distros.
If you have an Nvidia GPU, i can warmly recommend Nobara (a Fedora spinoff) to you. https://nobaraproject.org/download-nobara/
Like others said, bazzite and pop os, though I've never used either. I use mint and never had a problem.
Though it should be pointed out that some MP games that use a kernel level anti cheat can't be played (battlefield 6 for instance).
But I also wanted to mention, you can run Linux from a USB flash drive. So of you want to try out one of them without actually installing it, you easily can. If you don't like it you don't install. If you do, then you go for the full install. Easy non committal trial so to speak.
I haven't done much gaming but Steam seems fine on my old laptop running Mint.
I Will get down votes but none works well, most work fine given you spend enough time tinkering. Pirated games are a waste of time to get running and there will be some distros that already come with stuff set up to be " plug and play ", but it never is.
Would you recommend an alternative?
Dual boot windows unfortunately it's the best option for games until things change.
That said my daily driver at work is Arch at home is Ubuntu and I have a Ubuntu server for my NAS.
That’s a bit like asking, “Can you point me toward a beginner friendly car that has air conditioning and a radio?” You’re going to get 100 different answers because there are a hundred different distros that do all the things. The differences between them are small and not really of interest to a new user.
So I’ll give you a general rundown of the names you’ll probably see:
But again, they’re all like 95% the same as each other. I’d just pick between Kubuntu or Mint, maybe Pop!_OS if you don’t feel like going into a menu and enabling NVIDIA drivers.
Then you install Docker because may Linux apps come distributed only as Docker images and find out that Docker has its own AI built in called Gordon.
Then Lemmy dogpiles me for, "What do you expect for running corporate software."
Only Docker Desktop has the AI feature. You can install the Docker engine and CLI tools without it on Linux. Or Podman, a similar alternative.
Nobody expects new Linux users to use the CLI though. For a normal user that just wants to run their software they will encounter this crap.
I use it and I have not encountered this. You’re referring to the desktop GUI maybe?
Yes, Docker Desktop which if you follow the guide for Network Proxy Manager and other docker apps you end up installing. You'd have to already know that Docker Desktop has AI to avoid it and find a work around install.
If the default is getting Docker AI when you install popular apps in Linux, at that point it's not different from knowing that the default is getting Copilot in Windows and then following online guides to remove it.
I assume you mean Nginx Proxy Manager? I'm surprised that you would even run that on a desktop with a GUI, seems far more fit for a headless system. Of course, nothing stops you - it's your system.
As a general note I'd recommend docker CLI / compose, most applications will assume you're using that and have instructions tailored for it (which is helpful if you're new to docker).
To be honest I didn't even know docker had a desktop app for Linux, I've only seen folks use it on Windows and macOS.
???
The install guide says you need docker compose and links to the docker compose install guide. The link provided for docker compose installs docker desktop. Docker Desktop is a program that shows your running Dockers and allows you to start and stop them.
But fuck me for being a simple man that Read the Fucking Manual and followed the directions provided.
No need to be so hostile.
Installing docker desktop is fine but if you are on Linux and in any way comfortable using the command line I'd definitely run without the desktop part. Just docker and the composer addon is enough.
That nginx proxy manager recommends desktop for Linux environments which most of the time don't even have a GUI is a bit bizar tbh.
It's frustratingly hypocritical that Linux users rightfully dunk on Microsoft for it's AI yet defend Linux platforms despite the AI.
When it's the default in Windows, Microsoft is evil. When it's the default in Docker, you should know better and figure out how to install it despite the official online documentation telling you to install Docker Desktop to get Docker compose installed.
Have Win 10 and was a Windows die hard since I was a kid.
Been running Linux on another drive as my default boot for a year and a half in anticipation of this horseshit and was only hesitant to delete Win because my Fanatec sim racing hardware wasn't supported on Linux.
Welp, turns out hid-fanatecff is a thing. Installed the kernel driver and boom, working Fanatec peripherals. Even my Moza shifter is plug-and-play.
Bye bye Microsoft.
Is there any use for a HP Reverb G2 on linux?
Fully supported by Monado looks like.
https://lvra.gitlab.io/docs/hardware/
Idk how recent that Monado support is, but I couldn't get the reverb G2 to work on Linux at all a couple years ago.
A couple years IRL is like 100 years in Linux time
Yeah, peripherals lol. All my sim stuff is working brilliantly in Linux, however I still have some audio production stuff I need Windows for. Unfortunately, due to the need for minimal hardware latency and all that, Wine and VMs aren't an option. Also a lack of drivers for some midi devices sucks.
Really? I run my home studio in Nobara Linux without any latency issues. I use Reaper as my DAW. Are you using
yabridge?Yeah I have tried it, but didn't have luck unless I was driverless and that meant losing velocity. Maybe I configured wrong, it was kind of confusing but the internet said it was facing the same issues as me. Mainly this was for Roland stuff.
I was going to just get a laptop for Windows to record onto next to instruments and then transfer, but I'd rather just be able to plug into the DAW.
That's really strange. I have an M-Audio 60ish key and a smaller Novation Nocturn MIDI keyboard as well as a Roland electric drum kit and have no issues doing anything over MIDI with them on Linux.
Maybe its worth another try? I don't need drivers for any of that stuff.
Huh, weird.
Okay, I'm definitely trying again.
Some of my older gear is fine, but an example of something that wasn't working was my TD-27 V2 on a kit. What module is on yours?
Wine can actually beat native in latency, since it's a pretty thin translation layer and windows is ... windows.
I'd give it a shot just in case.
Ok, guys. I'm reading some of these replies which are saying the amount of outrage is out of proportion. I have to disagree with that. I don't want an AI running on my PC that is monitoring and learning about my shit. I didn't want that data saved even locally, let alone the monetization of that data. I don't want to be paying for power of a device that is turning me into someone else's paycheck.
Can you turn it off? I believe you can. But I also believe that doing it manually would be incredibly annoying since that does go with a lot of past practice. I also get it would reactivate itself after major updates, like how Edge keeps reinstalling.
Are there other solutions to my Microsoft issues, yes. Chris Titus Tech comes to mind.
But overall, the Windows ecosystem does not feel right to me anymore. Could other people still use it, yes. Am I going to stop them, not intentionally. But my Arch gaming PC runs games better than the same machine running Windows. I've always entertained the idea of a full switch, still have a Windows 11 dual boot and haven't officially done it yet, but with this the moment feels right. At least for me, hopefully you can understand that.
I had dual boot with win10 for a while, but when they had that ‘bug’ that was wiping peoples linux partition I dropped Windows completely. As dar as I’m concerned Linux and other FOSS in general has reached a point where it meets the majority of my needs. Same goes for local storage vs needing anything through the cloud or streeaming.
Every hang up I had eventually got solved. Except with modding games, I sorely miss Vortex or Mod Organizer and there's no alternatives I know of besides doing it all manually.
That wasn't a showstopper for me though. VR, HDR, Video Games were. These three are solved well enough for my tastes this year to drop my dual boot.
Fortunately on the modding front, the community's already been cooking:
OSS Nexus Mods loader article
I‘m using it for Stardew Valley and it works pretty well. Still early days and a bit clunky to use though. Not any power user features to speak of but I guess that isn’t their target userbase for a mod manager.
Vortex works on linux though, This is the guide I used.
Is it just Bethesda games with these post-deploy scripts? I assume this:
https://github.com/pikdum/steam-deck/
Is forcing the Windows version to work somehow, but is it every game on Nexus or just Bethesda titles?
I have no idea, I only tested it with skyrim, and it worked well.
Nexus Mod Manager is working fine under Linux. It's still under development, but i've been modding Cyberpunk 2077 to hell and back with it.
You're stretching it to say that when the Linux version has extremely limited game support.
It's literally just CP2077 and Stardew Valley.
https://nexus-mods.github.io/NexusMods.App/users/games/
Researching more, I found LIMO:
https://github.com/limo-app/limo
And some more ideas here:
https://www.old.reddit.com/r/linux_gaming/comments/1k9zfp8/only_obstacle_left_for_me_to_figure_out_nexus_mods/
Hopefully LIMO works because the other ideas look like a brittle PITA.
well, next up is bethesda games support, and development of the app is pretty fast, so i would expect a release supporting skyrim this year. You're right that it's pretty barebones now, but i wanted to say that we linux users will finally have a mod manager on par with the windows side of things, which is pretty awesome!
I think we have a bit of a degree of "Yep, that's Microsoft alright" mood as a whole because it's accepted that things are going to get worse for their users perpetually, so I personally stopped giving a shit because I already left before win10 EOL anyway. I'm guessing there's a similar mood among others who already saw the writing on the wall.
Do yrself the favor and cut the cord.
The cool part is that 100% of the “AI features” they’re advertising are either not running locally or not AI at all
I think that if someone (even ai) is analyzing my documents, then they are bypassing my permissions and looking despite the fact that it is supposed to be private. Basically if ai is looking at my files, I don't care if it isn't running locally, it is bypassing my permissions to my automated stock trading algorithms. I know security isn't exactly Windows strength anyways, but accessing my files without my consent or knowledge is a nail in the coffin for me. Granted, you can disable it, I might point you in the direction of winutil by Chris Titus, but I would bet money that a Windows update will re enable it without consent or permission.
If you don't need to do 3D work, you can still use a virtual machine with kvm, it is really fast! (then ditch Windows :) )
If you mean CAD, I found that FreeCAD works nicely as a parametric 3D modeler with some nice macros and addons, with the perk of also running on Linux
E: added info
I'm not too into 3d modelling stuff myself, but I understand Blender is pretty good, too.
I'd agree that blender is very good. I find that it would be more suited to static stuff and renderings, as well as animations. FreeCAD is more like the commercial CAD software you'd find (Fusion 360, Solidworks).
On the topic of blender, It has some amazing features, and I am amazed at what people do with it (I also find it a bit tricky, but I probably just need to put a few more hours into learning)
Yeah, to clarify I didn't mean Blender as an alternative but that there are decent options for another kind of 3d work in addition to CAD stuff. FreeCAD for design stuff, Blender for making pretty things (or ugly things if that's what you're into), Vulkan/gcc for real time 3d stuff if you like working close to the metal, Godot for real time 3d stuff if you want to do it from a higher level.
It’s off by default.
Edge keeps reinstalling because it powers lots of other things in the OS. Removing it breaks other things, which is why so many people on here think that Windows 11 is “broken” or “buggy” - they run random “debloat” programs and completely fuck up their OS.
For now.
Also fuck edge for so many reasons, like ring zero access. It's "used by (not "powers") other things in the os by design so that they "can't " comply with EU rules(and more).
I work in IT and far be it for me to tell you what OS to use on your own computer.
The only thing I want to die right now, is the AI bubble. Just pop already. Holy fuck what a worthless endeavor this has been.
+1000. one of my coworkers keeps thinking he's saving time with AI-generated code but what he's really doing is pushing the thinking downstream when we have to pick apart the absolute garbage that gets generated.
PR feedback gets turned into AI prompts and the cycle continues. It's exhausting
Yeah, it's BS. I scrutinize PRs to let peers realize that it's often not worth the time when they have to redo basically everything the agent wrote in the first place. There's been some truly lazy PRs...
Do they really reason like this? Oh my. That's stupid. And here I was thinking Microsoft employs clever people.
Finally got my last PC switched off Windows. It feels good.
The malware has been dewormed.
Four Horsemen of Apocalypse
Stop SERN, Prevent WW3, Find the Steins;Gate Seikaisen (Worldline)
El. Psy. Congroo.
Just ask ChatGPT...
Don’t downgrade to Windows 11, update to Linux
I’m dangerously close to moving my gaming pc to Linux. What’s the consensus for the best distro for gaming?
I’m comfortable enough with *nix, as my daily is MacOS and I have a home lab/server.
I use Bazzite. I like it a lot.
As an avid CachyOS user, yes, Bazzite is amazing and every new Linux user (who games) should use it.
What’s the story on integrated amd gpu support? I know it’s technically supported, but would love to hear from others on how it actually feels.
AMD graphics hardware is extremely well supported on every distro out of the box. The Steam Deck, for instance, uses an AMD iGPU.
Supported by the Linux kernel, so it works out of the box.
If you have an AMD GPU then you're in for a great time. I built my PC last year and went all AMD. Ever heard of "plug-n-play"? That's the definition of it. All I had to do on Cachy is click a button called "install gaming packages". On Bazzite, you don't even click a button, it is all there out of the box.
No issues whatsoever if you have AMD
Can I use bazzite as my main distro for regular use and coding besides just gaming or it’s more focused on gaming alone and I should dual boot another distro for my non gaming needs?
You can use Bazzite to code just fine. The great thing about OS like Bazzite is it's so easy to switch to many other atomic/immutable distros. You're not locked in. You can just 'rebase' it to Aurora with a command, which is the development focused version by the same team.
Yes, especially if it's your first distro and you haven't learned habits from non immutable distros. Distrobox and flatpak cover most, and technically, you can install other stuff with rpm-ostree, at the cost of some space and longer update times the more you layer on.
I personally had some trouble wrapping my head around distrobox while using bazzite and trying to install coding dependencies, but I've been having a great time gaming and programming on Nobara! The nice thing with Bazzite is the integrated distrobox which lets you run something under any linux OS (and even windows, I think?), and should theoretically be good for coding, so if you spend more time than me you should be able to program just fine. Maybe VSCode with remote ssh addon or something.
I think they even have a developer version of Bazzite. Not sure what the differences are though.
Bazzite for gaming no question, thing just works, I can use Linux fine, and very competent in windows also, but with gaming I just want a system I turn on and play, not faff with, I have been using Bazzite almost since it's beginnings, and am legitimately shocked at how turn key they have that distro for its use case.
Do you have an AMD gpu? I'm running Nvidia GPU using windows 11 and I'm hesitant because I've heard people say that Nvidia poses problems.
Is it a newer Nvidia GPU? If so I believe it pretty much works the same these days. It was mostly the older Nvidia GPUs that seemed to have a lot of problems.
Yeah, it's a 40 series GPU, so pretty new. That's encouraging. Maybe I will try dual booting first.
Yeah that should be completely fine then. Try dual boot, if you don't have any issues you can always go 100% Linux at some point in the future and in the meantime the old Windows partition can provide some amount of reassurance if something does go wrong.
With an Nvidia GPU, I would recommend Nobara over Bazzite becomes it comes with the various drivers.
I think Bazzite has a "ujust" recipe to install Nvidia drivers. Could be wrong though.
Nvidia finally made official linux drivers, so you should be good unless you have a really weird setup.
https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/drivers/unix/
I run NVIDIA for work related reasons, and it all just works in Bazzite,
agreeing with orclev - i setup an older nvidia gpu pc on linux mint and that pc has to have all other applications closed to play minecraft when it used to handle youtube video or actual video running and maybe an antivirus scan in the background and minecraft on top fine in windows.
GPU is running (as opposed to when the driver failed to load haha) but some kind of processing is still on CPU, i tracked down the problem but the point where i figured out i need to keep up with the latest vaapi and compile it to just diagnose it i stopped and told the kids how to quit other programs first before minecraft. or bloons.
edit: found my problem. mission center randomly spikes in cpu and memory use and gets to 99% in both......and i'm constantly running it. now i bask in swap utilization 0% forever and ever
There is no "dedicated" one for gaming. Ubuntu Mint, Debian are solid ones. I run Mint MATE personally
I would only hazard against Debian for gaming because of it's slower update cycle (yes yes you could use unstable or sid..), so performance improvements or fixes will take longer to get to you.
Otherwise I completely second your comment; OOP, just pick anything mainstream like Ubuntu, Linux Mint, Bazzite, Pop!_OS, you'll be fine on any of those. Once you're comfortable with whatever you chose, then you'll be more informed on picking a distro more suitable for your liking.
As an experienced Linux user, I just migrated my last windows machine to Debian sid, my gaming PC. And it's great. But I started on stable, and moved to sid after a few weeks, and it really wasn't an issue for gaming or general use. My partner's gaming computer is still on stable.
But yeah for someone less familiar, Bazzite and Mint are great choices. Pop! OS if you like the look of it, or Zorin OS if you like its look. You can always try something new if you're interested in its features.
https://bazzite.gg/
PopOS in my opinion. It (mostly) solves the issue of getting the drivers needed to run GPUs.
Which driver does it install? Does it choose or do you? I’m curious how the installation process compares to Ubuntu. My install is a little borked because I started with Xorg and AMD and 22.04 and switched to Wayland and Nvidia and 24.04 all around the same time. It works but was a PITA to reconfigure everything.
It will choose for you, but you can select specific drivers if you’d like. I’ve only had to mess with installing specific drivers on edge cases.
Did you notice if GPU video decoding works in the browser? Eg VP9, h.264? I’d been struggling to get it to work with Wayland and suspect it isn’t possible.
Nvidia doesn't support vaapi, so when I still had an nvidia card I needed to install a compatibility layer like this. You might have more problems if you want to use a Chromium based browser though
I tried I installing that already but I think it just won’t work with the snap version of Firefox.
Yea, as the other person mentioned, to my knowledge (which is limited) the video decoding in the browser on Linux tends to be browser and hardware specific. I know it’s gotten easier over the past couple years tho.
Why wouldn't you just do a clean OS install at that point?
Bazzite is great!
I’ll take a risk and say Fedora KDE Plasma flavor. Rolling release so highly current drivers, and it’s done a great job with my games.
It’s what I run on my laptop and gaming mini-pc’s and everything runs great.
Thats what I use. No real complaints.
I second this. I use GNOME with extensions instead of KDE, but that's just personal preference.
I used Pop_OS! for about a year before moving to Fedora. I got a new AMD video card and needed the latest kernel drivers. Fedora has the rolling release model that got me what I needed, and since it's one of the "big 3" upstream distros, I know it's reliable.
Yeah, Bazzite has the best word in town for a gaming distro.
Cachyos seems like the general recommendation. Haven't used it myself, but I've used its kernel so I guess that counts for something.
I run CachyOS, it works great for me. It's not the easiest one, but I like the rolling release style and it's by far the fastest distro I've used (cold boots to gnome desktop in maybe 10 seconds).
I have never heard of Cachyos until this comment.
It's very popular to the point where multiple other distros are starting to offer its patched kernel on their distro. It's very focused on gaming performance, particularly around Steam and Proton.
Their proton ran BL4 about 10% faster than Valves for my specific hardware. IDK what they are doing but it might as well be magic.
Cachy is the most popular distro on distrowatch. Has been for a month or more. That’s a good place to get the list of current distros.
I love CachyOS but you need to be a certain kind of nerd who can handle updates breaking stuff. Or more importantly, willing to RTFM and prevent a lot of it.
Basically I need to read these two sites before I update:
https://archlinux.org/news/
https://cachyos.org/blog/
Rule of thumb is to not update constantly/daily. Nor should you update too seldomly. Weekly or monthly is the usual. If that sounds like a PITA then yeah, that's why it's not recommended.
my 'arch based' system is a cinnamon-flavoured manjaro. manjaro gets shit on for reasons, one of them being they hold back updated packages for a bit.. which is basically what you recommend, and it's what i usually do anyway--defer updates for awhile (even on windows), unless it's a super critical issue that could actually be a problem.
that manjaro desktop has been solid, never once messed-up an update even with the aur packages i have installed, and even if it's been a month or two since it last updated.
Monthly might be too long to not fuck an Arch update, from my previous experience.
The stability of Arch/Cachy updates is not just about time between updates (more often is generally better) but also about accumulated old configs files with deprecated options that have been ignored and reading about breaking changes.
I updated 4 machines at the same time earlier this week (pacoloco for the win). One is a cachy/arch hybrid that started life as arch. The one with the oldest continually updated installation (it is a ship of theseus, I don't believe it has any of the original hardware) couldn't get to a graphical login and it took me a few minutes to replace an obsolete config file with a pacnew and get it back up.
This might have been a show stopper for someone coming from Windows or Mac. Perhaps even for some Linux users. But I am decades into this and it is how I like it. I ran slackware for years and Debian Sid. The loss of time to breakage from upgrades is absolutely trivial to me compared with the advantages of a well packaged and up to date system. If people aren't into that there is no shame in using an immutable distro. The diversity of distros might be confusing but it is a huge advantage because there is something out there for everyone.
I use Fedora after trying Bazzite and Pop-OS. Pop had some quirks I wasn't a fan of and Bazzite was too locked down but I'll admit, it worked out of the box with no fuss at all.
Bazzite might seem "locked down," but you can do pretty much anything you can do on any other distro, it's just sometimes a different process.
The general consensus is that you shouldn't be selecting your distro based on gaming, all of the modern well maintained distros will be relatively the same performance. In my opinion you should select your distro first on how well maintained it is, then on stability, & then how well you know how to fix issues. Although I don't follow my own advice since I use arch but that is because I am far more accostumed to that ecosystem.
Pop_os works well.
I use Garuda for gaming, but most would likely recommend Bazzite.
Bazzite if you're expecting it to work without any required reading
I'll probably be going fedora aurora, it seems more solid but would require more setup
I'm running OpenSuse Tumbleweed. Works great.
I'm installing Nobara right now. Will check in.
My issue is around video card. From what I’ve seen Linux drivers for the Arc B580 are minimal at best.
I've tried them all. CachyOS is the best by a mile, IMHO. Been daily driving on my RTX 4080 rig (and my Lenovo laptop) for almost 2yrs. Haven't found a game I can't run.
If you enjoy Nix, then so you know NixOS works just as well for gaming. Been using it for 2 years now.
It's insane how much extra time, effort and sanity you can retain simply by switching to Linux. I initially switched a few years ago, then fully shortly after. Using my PCs has never been better and I had no issues with gaming. The only games that don't work are some of the live service ones I'll never be interested in.
One of the best decisions in my life, right up there with deleting all social media. Life keeps getting better, relatively speaking, but of course rich pedophiles just can't tolerate us having a good time.
Switched everything to Bazzite as a start. Easiest switch after figuring out Windows sabotages boot drives.
I may have pirated all my Windows but man it feels good to be off that ride. Spoofing corporate licenses for the authenticator was such a hassle.
They do what to boot drives?
If you're dual booting, Windows may at any time eat the other partition or, more often just its GRUB, leaving you unable to boot into Linux.
Even if you're using separate drives, the Windows bootloader may still affect your other drives. On one of my old laptops, I had Pop!_OS and Windows on two separate SSDs. After installing Windows on the second drive, it put itself as the first boot device and broke the option to change boot order inside the BIOS. It worked, but only sometimes, and Windows would keep setting itself to the top upon every boot. Might not have been intrinsically a Windows issue, but never happened with other configurations.
I'm trying to move to Linux so that's terrifying.
Windows can automount USB drives, so a flash drive can get inadvertently formatted, (or something to do with the bootloader, i don't know the technical details that well.) Point is the automounting can break a flash drive that isn't formatted for windows.
Microsoft literally wanted me to convert my desktop to e-waste as it lacks the magical TPM chip that Win11 demands.
I said "fuck that" and pulled the Boot SSD, kept the existing non-boot drives for data, and put in a brand new SSD, encrypted it and installed Pop OS in one shot.
Not only was it easy, I lost literally zero critical functionality vs. what I had with Win 10. There is a Linux app equivalent for everything I had before. I had a few driver issues but most were auto-discovered including obscure ancient printers and scanners on my network.
How old is it? TPM 2.0 has been standard equipment for nearly ten years now. It's disabled by default on some systems.
Intel Core 8th gen and above, and Ryzen 2000 series and above, should all have TPM 2.0 built into the CPU (fTPM)
Does it really matter? I've been using my i7 from 2016 and it's still going strong.
Depends on if you use any security features that require a TPM. If not, the older chips are fine, or some motherboards allow a separate TPM chip to be added.
For example, my employer requires TPM 2.0 for both Windows and Linux systems, since they store most encryption keys and certificates on it - including WPA2-Enterprise key for wifi, 802.1x key for wired Ethernet, SSH keys (in some cases), LUKS key for full-disk encryption on Linux, Bitlocker key on Windows, etc.
For home use, if you don't use any of those features (or require strong encryption for them), the main thing you'll miss out on is support for Windows 11, which is fine if you're using Linux.
In a way, I see the lack of windows support as a positive.
Sure, but there's Linux features that use TPM too, although you probably don't need them in a home environment.
Why did you have to replace the SSD?
In case they had to roll back, and so they can pull data
I didn't "have to" but, a few reasons...
Swapping the drive created a pretty easy rollback path that was just "put original drive back"
The drive was ~10 years old, and was in the range of recommended replacement for an SSD with the amount of TBW and age it had.
Original drive was kinda small and a new larger drive was available for not very much money.
Arguably sometimes drivers for older devices are more likely to have been ported to Linux at some point then conpletely new devices.
It's not TPM. Older Intel CPU's have unpatchable hardware flaws.
https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2020/03/5-years-of-intel-cpus-and-chipsets-have-a-concerning-flaw-thats-unfixable/
yay! hi mint!
Windows is becoming so trash that a bunch of my not-that-tech-savvy friends have been hitting me up asking about gaming on various Linux distros. (Just a few years ago it was all “Linux? Haha nerd”.) And the non gamers are switching to Mac at a remarkable rate.
And things have progressed so well that even for the non-technical crew, after installing Mint and showing them how to use ProtonPlus to install and select Proton-GE, they’re pretty much off to the races without much further hand holding.
Linux is the only viable solution to this mess. And no it is not as scary as it seema
What is this AI everywhere concept actually supposed to accomplish for the end user? Maybe I'm just behind on the vision but I can't grasp the point. I have a feeling it's not really about what the users want but I'd love to here a genuinely good use case.
Crazy to me that windows is finally worse than MacOS
Oh wow, you're right.
We live in wild times
Windows is still a fixture in my life due to work, but I’ve ditched Windows at home for years and won’t ever go back.
I'm lucky enough that Linux is one of the half official OS which are allowed and half supported at work.
I'm even more lucky that IT isn't tech savy enough to be able to do to the Linux installations what they do to Windows and Mac where they preinstalled some rootkits and don't give you admin rights.
Therefore I'm a Linux enjoyer without involvement of IT. I need to fix all my problems myself and do security and backups myself, but that's a price I'm more than willing to pay.
Yeah, same. I use a combination of Linux and macOS at home but have a work laptop running Windows. It's dreadful and feels like it only exists to make my tasks harder. I never find myself saying "what a useful feature!" but I often say "Ugh, why are you like this?".
yeah, I updated one machine that was running Win10, it's now running LinuxMint
Shock! No, but seriously. This is not a surprise.
Once I finish college I'm nuking my Windows partition. Won't even boot into it on any future laptop, will just nuke it fully. I'm just waiting now cause I don't wanna have to fight with teachers over online test software and shit, I like being able to do easy at home exams.
But I will relish the day I walk across the stage. It'll be gone that night.
I hate this world. Linux it is then.
I upgraded to Windows 11 last week after my laptop initially came with it 2 years ago, but was so bloated and slow I installed Windows 10 from USB.
With the EoL I reluctantly upgraded due to company policy, and it was running surprisingly smooth. Really thought they'd fixed it. Only that two days later when I booted the system, I had a blue screen - the first one I have seen since Windows XP.
Page fault in non-page area 0x50 - google suggests reboots, or if they don't bring any progress, boot into safe mode and update all drivers. Only that I couldn't boot into safe mode, the BSOD locked me out.
Second suggestion was faulty RAM. Did a memtest from boot stick, no fault.
Third suggestion was to run checkdisk and scm or whatever it was called (some system file integrity check). All good.
Fourth suggestion was to boot into recovery mode, roll back into the system image the Windows 11 installer created, and redo the upgrade. Only to find out that the system restore point had not been created, despite the info box during the installation that this was happening.
Last suggestion was to reinstall Windows 11 from the repair mode, and select the "keep files" option. The offline installer crashed at 25% repeatedly, the online installer moved to 92% and stopped there. Repeatedly, again (tried 3x, and it takes about 1h to get there).
After all that frustration I had enough of that shit and installed Windows 10 IoT LTSC with updates until 2032. When the time comes I'll either have a new job where I can use Xubuntu, or Microsoft installed on a chip in my brain. Let's see.
Not to speak for Windows or against Xubuntu, but didn't Xubuntu just recently have some secrity exploit that was pushed as an update to devices?
Nah their website got hijacked and instead of an ISO they spread malware. The system itself was never at risk, if you ran it.
10% chance of BS when I plug in my docking station. Has been working for years before the upgrade.
VMware is straight up broken on some of our laptops. Hyper-V is noticeably slower, too. Why would I recommend Server 2025 to anyone?
New job provides hardware and allows me to install Linux. Hell yeah.
I've never had a windows 11 blue screen but then again this computer has always had windows 11 on it. It wasn't an upgrade.
But there is virtually nothing in the OS and that is an improvement over 10. As far as I can sell all of them it's had a bunch of ads to it and make it simultaneously impossible to use anything other than OneDrive, but at the same time not having OneDrive be remotely reliable.
If it's working fine in 10, it's very unlikely to be a hardware fault. Possible (but unlikely) a hardware configuration.
The answer was almost certainly drivers. While I acknowledge that you were unsuccessful at changing them, that is still where your issues came from. You probably could've fixed it WinPE/WinRE, which is admittedly way more complicated than it should be.
Over in the Linux world we have a cute penguin who leaves you alone.
I am forced to use Windows on my work computer, but that is ONLY used for official work related functions. My personal PCs (I have several) all run various flavors of Linux. Monday through Friday I am reminded why I don't have Windows on my personal machines.
I feel this. I recently switched jobs and have a work PC (Win11) and work phone (whatever Iphone model) and I feel so dumb using them and I'm really tech savvy
I was finally at a job where I could use Linux at work. Things were great for about a year and then BOOM we get acquired and the new company forces MacBooks on everyone.
I. Friggin. Hate. MacOS. The biggest pain point is the keyboard shortcuts, 15 years of Linux muscle memory...
My point is I can very much relate to having to use unproductive shit for work and the daily reminder of why it's not on my personal devices
I am 99% Tumbleweed except my gaming PC which is still on Win11 (but I haven’t seen any bloat on it, no ads in winkey menu etc).
I am a huge flight simmer and, besides Xplane, MSFS has Microsoft in its name but the problem is more about the tons of tools around the simulator rather than the sim (aircraft, peripherals, maps&nav, ATC, job manager etc). MSFS do run on proton, but plenty of background tools don’t 😔
If you're in the EU, that's probably why. I think the bloat is only for non-EU users.
I am so yes it’s probably why.
The iso from massgrave was made with Rufus that can disable the unnecessary requirements and force creation of a local account instead of windows live 🖕
Then activated and lightly debloated with powershell. That makes windows usable for what I need it to, just launching games.
Everything else is done on a minisforum Linux or framework Linux (even sometimes gaming on it when I’m not at home).
Yep, I've seen MS flight simulator fans basically create entire cockpits in their house with a crap tonne of screens for 180-degree vision and hook up all the 3rd party peripherals.
There's just no way this will ever work seamlessly on Linux
Yeah, but Xplane 12 does work natively and perfectly on Linux and MacOS. So there’s that.
But I guess if you start adding several joysticks (minimum of 3 for an aircraft, joystick or yoke, rudder, throttle quadrant) with assorted softwares it becomes a bit of a headache and most probably it won’t be 3 joysticks from the same vendor.
And today we have the Chinese winwings that makes full glareshield and mcdu at acceptable prices https://eu.winwingsim.com/view/goods-details.html?id=925 so that’s another software to configure.
And all of that is only for one aircraft type (Airbus in my example) 😅
Long time windows user, games retained me but I found Proton so bye bye forever windows. Now convincing my wife to switch it's the real challenge haha
Just do it while she's at work!
"Honey, why is the wallpaper of 'Hannah Montana'?"
I swapped my mother's computer to Linux (Mint). She had no issues using it, because I put the desktop icons in the same place, and copied the browser profile.
Can anyone give recommendations on what to do if you have to run Autodesk products (Revit. Autocad) for work? No, I can't swap them for open source alternatives such as FreeCAD as Im working with large international projects. Should I dual boot? Virtual machine inside Linux?
My experience with W11 on the work laptop.
Taskbar sucks, maybe because I'm colorblind but I can te what my selected program is and programs with notifications (Teams) look like the focused program. Apparently notification boxes there are pink now. Can't find any accessibility setting but fuck the colorblind I guess. It feels wrong to click the highlighted icon I for years have learned will mean that I minimize it...
And why all the dots? And why is the notification dot the largest, so I can even tell which window is actually focused?
Outlook doesn't open with focus, especially the window that is supposed to pop up and warn me of upcoming meetings. Really annoying.
Teams notifications just don't show if you are in a meeting and that is focused, they used to do that on W10.
Might be a Firefox bug, but there's a lot of new visual bugs. Github diff view is randomly strongly colored, and randomly changes to the old weaker background colors when scrolling/resizing the windows. And a surprising amount of scrollbars in grids that weren't there before.
I just wish W11 at least worked with the regular features of W10.
On Windows 11 there are accessibility settings for colorblind people. Settings -> Accessibility -> Color Filters. There, you can enable the feature and choose the right filter for you. Going by your description, I'm not sure it'll help, but feel free to try it. Colorblind accessibility options have been progressing quite nicely the past few years, so at least there's something to be happy about.
It's not helping unfortunately, it's just a blanket change in colors by some filter. The taskbar highlight is bad to begin with. Ideally the should use red/orange for warning highlights and used bright white. But a weak pink isn't going to be more visible even if it was turned redish. It'll still be weak.
And it does change every other thing on screen, which won't be good for me since colors aren't an issue normally, and even worse if it affect screen sharing. Taskbar changes is just straight up bad UX that tries to look good.
I hate windows 11 so much. Notifications are so much harder to read compared to 10 due to the right menu being nonexistant, instead we have this floating notification area that I never use. Everything takes ages to load, even on my beefy pc Settings still takes like 10 seconds to open. And it feels like the programmers died halfway though re-coding the context menus. Everything slightly more advanced can only be done through the old stuff so you end up with this awful mess where there's no design consistency, and it takes twice the clicks to get to something.
Makes me wonder if anyone actually likes the windows experience. The main resistances I see to moving away from it are about familiarity and compatibility, plus some people tired of linux's popularity here.
I'm thinking that the company is only surviving based on large org buyin, including the main PC system makers who make windows the default option.
Only if you have hardware that can handle it.
Don’t run Windows 11 on ARM.
Glad I ditched windows 11 for linux mint.
Not sure why we're surprised. And even then, it took a while for the "good" OSes to get good. Windows 7 is remembered fondly because it ended well, not because it started well.
Windows 95: OK Windows 98: Bad Windows 98 SE: OK Windows ME/2000: Bad Windows XP: OK Windows Vista: Bad Windows 7: OK Windows 8: Bad Windows 10: OK Windows 11: Bad
Cool. Pop_OS is working quite well over here.
It's never been a better time to convert to Linux. The best part is that if one distro turns to shit you can just move over to another.
Is it actually trivial, though? Does that trivial change turn off all of the various instances of AI scattered throughout the OS?
Do you actually believe they won't release new things under different flags, and that you won't have to play AI whack-a-mole every update?
Nope. It's not. I had to follow multiple guides and use three different utilities including power shell, group policy editor, and regedit, and even then I didn't get rid of everything until I got tired of them fucking with shit and used shutup10++ to just toggle everything off. And I'm lucky enough to only have windows on my work computer at this point and to have admin rights to that computer. This shit is exhausting. Every update breaks something new and brings back shit I have been trying to nuke from orbit.
I'm already playing security and AI whack-a-mole. I think you're right.
Hi. I'm not the person you responded to, but up until about 8 months ago I was on Windows 7. You know how I didn't deal with new updates and various things? By not having updated anything since about 2012. Maybe 2013? I legitimately have zero clue if I had firewall on or off for 10 years. I remember I had some issue in 2014. I remember turning it off, and that solved the issue. But I don't remember, and also never cared, if I turned it back on.
You guys are SO worried you'll get a virus. And update everything. Meanwhile the ONLY reason I started using linux is because I don't like Windows 10. And firefox on Windows 7 finally got so out of date that websites refused to display things. Otherwise, I'd still be on Windows 7.
Point is, updates don't matter. Security doesn't matter. You can just tell your computer to never update anything, and it'll be the same for a decade. You can live in your little bubble.
You are free to do what you want, but do not give out advice like this to others. Security issues pop up constantly and not updating leaves you vulnerable to them.
For the room: If you want to stay on your unpatched machine, don't plug it into the internet. Otherwise, use an OS that is currently receiving security updates.
I mean driving without your safety belt works great until something happens. Doesn't make it a good idea.
Virgin security nerd vs chad botnet enjoyer
I've found that not playing stupid games earns you no stupid prizes. Everyone out here acting like goblins will materialize and ass rape your machine 2-seconds after updates end. (And yes, I know what zero-days are, been in IT for 25-years, Windows for 30.)
On a personal level, skipping updates is fine. As a sysadmin, I'm updating the fleet a week after I scan the news for unintended fuck ups.
There's always one....
No, not downloading security updates doesn't make you a badass.
i've got one user who has refused to update their win7 system for a full decade--literally the entire lifecycle of win10. offered to set up a dual boot for her and she seemed to be receptive of that--even bought a nice big ssd drive for it, but she never used it and never upgraded. husband says that ssd is still in the damn box sitting on a shelf. i expect to hear from her when that now tired old hdd in her (i think) wolfdale-era win7 finally craps out.
yes. yes they are. we've taken in a lot more 'junk' systems over the last six months than we ever have.
many of those who aren't tossing their pc on the heap are paying for the updates or jumping through the link-and-sync bullshit for them.
microsoft's scare tactics work, and work very well.
Lots of people will, I've had the discussion with multiple people bemoaning that that will have to upgrade because their computer isn't compatible who. Have zero interest in learning a new OS. Heck my father has a laptop good enough for everything he does already and was talking about upgrading his desktop because it isn't compatible.
You need to speak to every IT department worth a pinch of salt then; as no longer receiving security updates is a critical problem. That critical problem is solved by most IT departments by disposing of perfectly good computers, paying to have their SSDs shredded, and buying new computers.
Business IT is not personal IT. OP's right. Joe User isn't going to know or give a shit as long as his PC boots and he can get to FaceBook.
You are assuming their ai hallucinating or maliscous devs won't push updates that break user choice.
They’ve been doing that for years already!
By saying things in public like "let’s rewrite the entire operating system," Microsoft are not giving off reassuring vibes. Rewriting the entire anything never goes smoothly, and Windows has a track record of ambitious failures followed by more conservative releases that are more successful. They're bringing these anxious responses upon themselves.
Li. Nux.
For me, anyway
They think the whole OS is just little text bar where you tell the AI what you want to do or something. It's honestly hilarious how eager people are to add comments about something they know nothing about.
These threads feel kinda redundant, all comments are just preaching to the choir.
Can anyone comment about anything besides "[...] switched to Linux [...]"?
What else do you expect everyone to do? Please enlighten us if you have something more to offer than switching to Linux — which seemingly is the best option currently.
I'm not saying that you shouldn't, I am saying that there's more to discuss than "switched to Linux /thread".
For example let me just quote microsoft "The vision that we have is: let’s rewrite the entire operating system around AI, and build essentially what becomes truly the AI PC." and think about what that means for your workplace. Windows isn't going to vanish in a few years. The companies that have a lot of windows PCs will have to deal with increased hardware requirements in an already expensive market, have to wrangle user settings that the ai set on voice commands or fight against Microsoft to shut it all down.
I feel like there's going to be a lot of wasted productivity in the coming years spend on fixing what ai broke.
Business owners can form association and apply pressure. E.g. https://www.techrepublic.com/article/news-windows-10-security-updates-european-economic-area-customers/
If you're an employee, why give a damn..
The free extended updates are only for private consumers, companies don't get them.
https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/extended-security-updates
Most companies should've already switched over so afaict there wasn't enough push back.
I don't see how employees giving a damn is relevant to what I said, can you rephrase that?
I wasn't pointing out that there are extended updates, I was pointing out that customer associations can apply pressure. That's the only way Microsoft can be limited from taking more and more profit share with increasingly enshittified products.
People are much more likely to use windows as employees, rather than business owners. So I don't think an average Lemmy user (lemmings?) will be interested in commenting anything seriously about it.
I think it's time for a class action lawsuit. But yes, you make a good point. Our state agency just got new PCs due to the ending of windows 10 support, and it sucks because I have no way to turn off the AI bullshit because I'm not an admin. As much as I enjoy now having a machine with bluetooth so I can use earbuds, I'd go back to my old work PC in a heartbeat.
Just saying, you might have a sympathetic IT department. Stuff like that I'm more than happy to come and disable.
Hell, there are one or two of my users I make administrators of their machines, along with the advice to not do anything I wouldn't do.
I'm not that guy but there's ESU or windows 10 IoT.
I get wanting to tell people that you've switched from windows but these threads just feel too repetitive to be engaging, there's no interesting discussion when everyone is just repeating the same points every month.
There's also no discussion about the article or if there is then I couldn't find it because of all the switched to Linux comments.
Oh well, back to other threads...
Just downvote. Downvotes don't mean you dislike them or think they're wrong, it just means you think the comment should have less visibility.
I use arch btw
Sure, I switched to Mac.
Don't they also push their new AI on customers? I don't use MacOS so I'm a bit ootl on that.
There are a few ai based tools offered, but nothing shoved in your face.
windows 10 LTSC from massgrave.dev site for afew years, but that will come to an end too. after that if you hate yourself there are the BSDs, or you can install hackintosh too. but the linuxes are the most mature alternative that won't just fuck you over
Stay on 10 and force M$ to give further updates because of sheer popularity, just like they had to with XP
Companies have already updated, new notebooks come with windows 11, it's sadly inevitable that most users will sooner or later be switched to windows 11.
This entire article is trusting the word of Microsoft's director of marketing
Windows team is desperate to remain relevant.
I suspect most Microsoft revenue these days comes from Azure and the cloud version of Office. Windows OS is pretty much irrelevant other than as a platform to distribute other products.
I am predicting at some point Windows itself will become a business only product and cease to be marketed to consumers, and the home user platform will be some kind of live service bullshit probably served in a browser. Basically the Chromebook idea, but Microsoft.
That's what they'd like, and that's what's actually available today, if you have serious enough brain damage it's available now.
https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-365
Yeah, and it's just dumb terminals with extra steps.
Windows is about 10% of Microsoft revenue
Once Adobe apps and new versions of Microsoft office start working reliably on Linux, 50% of corporate PCs are out of Windows’ market share.
They are shoving AI down our throats.
I’m trying out Bazzite, and although it does take a little tweaking sometimes, I haven’t encountered a game I can’t run yet, including features like HDR and DLSS.
If you absolutely need to use Windows11, use Tiny11. But for the great majority of users, Zorin/Ubuntu/Mint or Bazzite are best pick
TrmpleOS here I come!
The deep cut! Praise god!
Halleluja
Some real 5D chess plays from the big MS these days lmfao. I'll stick with Linux, thanks.
Run Linux on my main PC.
Time to switch my old laptop over too, or maybe I could configure a new linux PC as my "laptop" if I could get a good touch screen interface (for relaxing on the couch)?
How bad would running Windows 10 past support be exactly? Seems like most vulnerabilities should have been patched by now.
Extended security updates are available. This can be activated for free using Microsoft Activation Scripts.
Microsoft tech support has been repeatedly caught using these scripts to resolve support tickets for license issues. (https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/microsoft-support-cracks-windows-for-customer-after-activation-fails/) Also, the open source MAS code is hosted on Microsoft-owned Github, so they are appearantly not very concerned with people taking advantage of this exploit.
If you go this route, please also see the FAQ entry here. There is currently a glitch with commercial ESU keys (which this uses) and Windows Update will continue to claim that your device will no longer receive security updates. This is also effecting W10 LTSC systems. However, you can verify that the license key is active through Command Prompt and instructions are given in the FAQ.
See an example here:
New attack vectors are found constantly. Having no support can very likely result in a system that can be automatically breached in a few weeks to months.
As long as you don't have a public IP on your device and are in a trusted network you should be fine. But if you use a public wifi or somehow expose a port to the internet you're increasingly vulnerable for each day after the last security update.
There's always going to be vulnerabilities, that's why they're ending support. They don't want to spend time updating an OS they don't want people using.
Windows 10 is probably fairly secure... today. In 2 years, someone might discover a new vulnerability, and you won't get the update. If there's a new way to do web security and the browsers need OS support to implement it, you'll be stuck on legacy security settings.
It's not going to take 2 years...
New vulnerabilities are found on a daily to weekly basis.
To put this in perspective. In 2024 there were 1360 vulnerabilities reported, 587 confirmed with 33 deemed critical.
I would hazard there are critical vulnerabilities that are right now being worked on, or are complete but unreleased. There was a concern of the exploit being patched. That concern is gone for millions of PC(s).
Short term honestly likely fine for your avg person. After even six months tho I wouldn't trust using it for banking, government sites or anything more sensitive then looking at cat memes.
Its probably more lazy than anything. Security always depends on what you need to protect. If you want to keep using it, dont keep sensitive information on it. People will target vulnerabilities in Windows 10 as time goes on.
If you want to keep running Win10, look into 0patch. They do in memory patching and are MUCH smaller, it's what a real OS manufacturer would put out.
I wouldn't be surprised if there's a conspiracy where Microsoft purposely left a massive hole in windows 10. And they are going to attack their own system in 2 months and be like "oh noez, welp guess you have to come to windows 11".
I've been on Debian for a couple years since Windows 10 came out. Not sure what this fuss has been about, but I'm glad I switched when I did.
I finally troubleshooted why my Linux usb boot drive wasn’t working. Planning on making the switch when I have time off work.
So long as I can get Steam and Jellyfin working, I’ll never switch back.
We have three windows laptops in the house. All for use in schools which were always heavily pro-Microsoft here. I haven't paid much attention to Windows 11. The last time I used Windows other than setting it up or fixing it for someone else was probably XP. All three users of those laptops come home from school/work, put them on a charger then head to a linux machine to play games, edit video etc. They know they have linux support and they have grown up with Linux. Not one of them has asked to upgrade their laptops to Linux yet.
Perhaps Microsoft isn't annoying regular users as much as the tech press and tech users think they are. Remember people still use shit like Facebook not just willingly but in some cases enthusiastically. We are a diverse lot. Some people, probably the majority, will put up with the same shit every day and not think to change their environment. I don't know whether it is too difficult or they are scared of change or they don't realize it is possible or perhaps they simple aren't bothered by the same things. Possibly all of the above.
Microsoft is going to implode with the AI bubble
Called it
Hm.
Well, Microsoft can tell me to upgrade my PC and like with Apple saying the same thing about my Macintoshes - ad nauseam - I can ignore it all. And will.
My PC is for gaming and nothing else anyhow..
Me, using my MacBook:
(Don’t roast me for not using Linux, I’m all in and happy in the Apple ecosystem!)
Heheheh.. I too have apple hardware.. running unsupported installs (am currently on Mojave as I require 32-bit support for old peripherals and software), so when Apple tells me to upgrade, it lasts until the System Update checks the hardware then promptly fucks off never to bother me again.
I think am going to ignore Microsoft just like I do Apple and leave the gaming PC with Win10 Pro until I get a second drive for it to run Bazzite on.
I mean as long as you're not being too stupid with your PC, and not like doing your taxes on the computer the risk is pretty low.
I ain't roastin', but I am confused as all hell if you planned on gamin'.
I do not. I don’t game on my laptop.
Fair enough then, glad you found something that works for ya. (I'd put Asahi Linux on it if it was my PC tho XD)
Forcing users to ditch WIndows 10? I can't help but feel like this is a giant media campaign by microsoft to make people switch to Win 11. Nobody is forcing anyone to do anything. I can still use Windows XP if I want to.
Guess I'll be keeping mine offline forever then.
As much as i dislike some Windows 11 elements, let's stick to facts. The headline make it seem way worse than it actually is, although still not good at all.
For the gamers here using Linux: what about Discord? One of my only social outlets currently is unfortunately through Discord with some friends. There any issues with drivers for headsets and/or Discord having issues?
Edit: Thanks for the responses everyone!!
But Zorin OS too hard! I was told.
I've been using ZorinOS for about 8-9 months now.
Yeah. It is. If something isn't a flatpak (so like 80% of programs), then I have no idea how to install it.
I'm hoping I can last one more month with my Win10 laptop. After that I'll have the time to see if UNIX is the way to go. My laptop is almost 10 years old so I'm not sure if that would be like putting lipstick on an old pig or not.
You'll likely be amazed at how well it works, I'd take a 10 year old laptop with Debian+KDE over a brand new laptop with Win11, and it's not close.
Linux is exactly where you should go with old computers.
With a proper distribution/DE combination, you can run it on 20+ year old computers with no issue.
But overall, if your laptop runs Windows 10, it will likely run every Linux distribution easily.
Since security patches are not being deployed on a daily or weekly basis, you should be fine for even more than a month. Eventually using Windows 10 for security or privacy relevant activities, like banking, e-mail or such will become dangerous as more and more unpatched weaknesses might evolve.
nah older laptops flourish with linux. get ventoy and you can already try out distros without getting committed
I just put cachyos on an hp laptop from 2016 or so. It runs so much better now. The old devices dont handle the bloat of Windows well anymore. Ive heard others have had compatibility issues but I haven't so I can't comment on that.
Switched to macOS. Best decision ever for companies that still force you to use office products.
I just play games on my home computer so windows 11 is whatever to me. I'm in IT...I use Linux, Mac, windows daily..I don't feel like fiddling to get certain programs to work on Linux or Mac with the limited time I have at home..just wanna game and shut the PC off.
IDGAF for my personal machine. If MS jams AI up my ass, and I can't shut it off, then I'll bail. All these stories are overblown, as is lemmy's take on Windows.
For example; only ad I see is the occasional sentence on my lock screen, "You should try $whatever!" That blurb isn't on my radar. But to hear lemmy tell it, I'm overrun with ads at every turn.
I'm told Windows is constantly fucking up and updates are crippling. This machine was originally Windows 10 and has been through 3 machines, same SSD, did nothing but swap it. No issues. At all.
Want to talk about issues? Lemmy is the most clusterfucked IT experience in my life ATM.
Why put up with any ads? No other desktop OS does this...
You're being down voted because Lemmy is a Linux fan echo chamber, but my experience with Windows 11 is similar to yours.
I resisted the upgrade for a long time after reading about all the issues it apparently had. My work laptop updated first which made me realise it's not that bad, a few annoying things but nothing system breaking. I've had windows 11 on my personal pc for about 2-3 months and it's been the same, absolutely fine with a few minor things here and there.
For the average user Windows is absolutely fine. I'd say that anyone using Linux or thinking of switching to Linux isn't an average user. And that's fine. Everyone can use whatever OS they want. I'm choosing to stick with Windows.
My understanding is that it's very dependent on hardware. If you have a beefy setup, then that might be why it's running well.
However, for most of us who are being forced to use it on work laptops that are already several years old, not so much.