Trump threatens to shut down US government unless all trans health care is banned
Proposed legislation behind the impending US government shutdown contains provisions that would ban federal funding for transgender adults, as well as youngsters.
https://www.thepinknews.com/2025/09/29/trans-care-ban-government-shutdown/Open linkView original on lemmy.world841
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It was never about the children.
Yes it is
It's about hurting some of them
Trump wouldn’t hurt children, would he?
In all of their holes
Why would he? He's a good family man, very decent
Very stable...
state of emergency incoming
the soldiers are already in place
Has anyone tried telling trump he wasn’t rich enough to be on Epstein’s list.
Not that it matters when he’s dismantling our country.
yes, but also maybe take the threat against trans people seriously? like, Trump just said he wants to ban trans healthcare. it seems like that should also be a big deal. saying that everything is a distraction from the Epstein files has become a distraction from some serious shit.
The point is that the Epstein files has been pretty much the only thing to bring cracks in Republican support for Trump.
Everyone who is upset at this news on Trans health care already know Trump is a useless piece of shit. His base on the other hand will probably cheer this on.
So driving that wedge that is the Epstein files is imperative if we want to chip away at his approval ratings and hope we can salvage this shit in next year's midterms (I know, a stretch).
It just feels a lot like “oh, trans people? Fuck em. Show me the list!”
Like I really don’t see how it helps anything to post it here. Go talk to conservatives about it instead of posting it in threads where everyone already knows about it.
Because calling it a distraction when he is actively trying to kill me and people that I care about really just feels like y’all don’t give a shit about us either.
Personally I don't get that impression of, "Oh, trans people? Fuck em." It's more, "Strike them at their pressure points because look at this kind of fucked up shit they're doing!"
You never know who the lurkers are, and it refreshes minds of our side to go out and remain on message. It's useful to me in that regards.
Sadly it's just a reality that the people we need to convince already support what he's doing on this issue.
The other stuff is also bad–the fascism and stuff–but it might be useful here.
good to know the forced death of people like me is just a distraction to you.
Oh, so when the government shuts down in a day or two, because you’re a piece of shit and no one wants to give you money to continue with being a piece of shit, of course you’re gonna blame trans kids for this
You piece of shit
I'm concerned they want to shut down that way they can keep it closed indefinitely. Funny that meeting with the top brass is coincidentally around the time of the shutdown.
A shut down is an act of Terrorism as the democrats are all ANTIFA. The generals will be ordered to seize all the democratic government offices across the country.
If only that were true...
Quite a few seem pretty content.
I believe the formal most recent act of terrorism at the Capital was in fact J.6th, and I thought those guys were MAGA loyalists, thus the pardons and all?
It's a yearly ritual at this point.
2x yearly, if not more.
If you want to piss off a Republican, make sure to correct them that it's Romney-care, a Republican healthcare system, anytime they call it Obamacare!
CALL HIS FUCKING BLUFF!
LET HIM DO IT AND FAIL OR WITHDRAW AND BE WEAK
How enthusiastic are ICE agents deployed to whereever going to be without a paycheck?
Looking from outside in, seems to me that this is one of those rare instances where a lot of those already doing it would happily do it as a passion project or a hobby on the side… I’d wager most people with even a trace amount of morals wouldn’t do it, not for a paycheck or otherwise.
yeah that lasts about 0 time when you are deployed.
it would be catastrophic to koral and show the forces that Trump can't control the shit fest he's summoned.
They are fully funded for the year apparently.
TACO
Let them shut down the government. Keep it shut down. Let's see how long the troops will work for free.
I’m quite confident Schumer will continue to display the backbone of a sea cucumber and capitulate with no meaningful opposition whatsoever.
We really need a nationa1l calling campaign for chuck schumer to step down.
I'd imagine "troops refusing orders because of lack of pay" is one of the first problems they've worked out with any shutdown
If there's one thing this country cares about, it's keeping the military industrial complex running
Oh no! I guess the ONLY Option is to Ban ALL Transgender Healthcare in American in exchange for NOTHING!
-Chuck Schumer!
I hope he shuts down the government, honestly.... It might limit how much damage he does.
I honestly don't think he even knows what shutting down the government actually means. I'm betting he thinks it's just the poors not getting access to essential services, which he's probably fine with. I'm positive he doesn't realize that it cuts off literally every perk except for secret service that he gets as president. The entire White House staff will be sent home except for executives and unpaid interns.
Honestly, at this point the government already is shut down. It's been shut down for months. We're just still in the denial stage. Trump's claimed and a criminally corrupt SCOTUS has endorsed Trump just refusing to pay funds allocated by Congress. There is absolutely zero point in Democrats negotiating with Republicans on this, as Trump can just refuse to pay any Democratic priorities they fund.
I have to admit, you speak the truth.
As long as one of those interns will bring him McDonalds, he won't care.
Can it be blamed on the Dems? Alternatively, will it trigger the libs? He's fueled by spite and grift
Can or can't doesn't really matter to Trump. He will blame Democrats he will blame Biden he will blame "antifa" and he will blame immigrants. Trump is inherently incapable of taking responsibility for anything. He will just pick a group or person, usually one that is particularly irritating to him in that moment, and he will shove all the responsibility for everything that's going wrong on them.
I was being rhetorical. He can and he's backed by legacy and new media. Goebbels built Nazi propaganda "in a cave with a box of scraps", imagine what can be done with AI, bots and social media.
I'm pretty certain you're correct.
I've been loosely following along (I am not an American), and I did not realize the consequences myself. Holy shit, he's basically halting paycheques for a lot of the people working directly and indirectly for the government.
I feel bad for those people. Hopefully they have enough to weather this storm until Taco gets advised that this action is fucking stupid as all hell.
Cis people should be scared about this too. Things like supplementing estrogen (for woman after they have gone through menopause) or testosterone is a quite normal thing. Im betting my ass, that this regulations will affect these things too.
Laws don't bind the in-group
Until they move the in-group. Which they'll do if they continue to get their way. They have to keep projecting power like this to keep this up, and they'll continue to grind through subgroups of the population to do it.
The in-group is wide enough that the people at the edges are hit with the splatter when the guy at the top takes another dump.
If he makes it illegal to even provide estrogen or testosterone to patients, hospitals won't stock it.
You're not wrong, but you forgot that the in-group always shrink.
Also, it is usual for fascists to throw others "under the bus" as a way to save their own face.
Except that the in-group is constantly shifting, to ensure there’s always an enemy to rally the masses against. The only consistently protected group is the rich.
While I understand it’s not ok to give in here, this is just an attempt to move the battle. There’s no need to justify defending human rights here (for any decent humans) but don’t let it distract us. We can’t waste time arguing this. Don’t let them move the goalposts. This is just “no” and return to the larger fight
Good. Do it. The government ain't doing shit for people who actually need help anyways.
I'm in one of those, fucked either way cases. If the government doesn't shut down, I lose my healthcare, if it does shut down I potentially lose my job since I work for the government.
Hey! A fellow gov worker! So, how's the last 6 months been stress shitting your guts out and expecting to be fired every day? Because I'm sure as fuck not having a good time and want off this god damned ride.
Funnily enough, I was a government worker shortly before Trump took over. The highlights included gaslighting me on my rights as a worker, telling me not to rock the boat, then shitcanning me when I filed grievances with my union. The very same union that refused to go to bat for me because "arbitrations are expensive".
Also having my eyes opened to the absolutely ludicrous waste generated by government operations. I saw brand new 24 inch computer monitors still sealed in the box thrown in the trash, but I was simply told "there is no government waste" when I asked what was going on. Seeing a forklift bought for a single job before being "scrapped" was also wild.
Honestly, do yourself a big favor and look for a transfer to private sector. I've got a union that actually listens to me now and better benefits than a fed. Couldn't be happier.
What the fuck
Sounds like government workers need a new union. Not that they'd ever get it, I assume, particularly if it poses a risk of actually being able to do something rather than just serving as a scapegoat to point at why unions are useless.
It's not enough to catch your employer breaking the law. It's not even enough to have a mile wide paper trail leading anyone with eyes to the evidence of your employer breaking the law. When your employer is the government, every single person involved is directly incentivised to protect the employer from any and all indication that they could have possibly done anything wrong, ever.
This includes your union rep, who is still paid by the very same tax dollars you are paid with, though in a round about way.
Oh trust me I've been working on it. I'm not at all surprised by your story, I knew the DOGE shit was complete bs.
The worst part is I'm fairly new, I accepted the job offer before the election and started it after the election. The hope day I accepted the job offer and the dread of starting first day was quite disparate.
Sorry you're in that position. I can't believe this is where were at. Who non millionaire could possibly be on the presidents side on this one?
Still scrolling down looking for the basic Transgender Solidarity post but I guess allies are sleeping in....
Trans dance party starts here. I am starting the dance party.
Then we can take a break and write our reps and remind our friends and go back to our daily revolutionary work of staying alive and experiencing joy three steps ahead of the murderbigots.
Thank you!
Ally here, can confirm, was sleeping in. I'm up in Canada though, so trying to make positive change up here.
Thank you so much!
They weren't sleeping in, they were just sleeping. You posted this six hours ago. Six hours ago it was 7am on the east coast and 4am on the west coast.
Bedtime is figurative when the audience is global.
Your self-defense math is technically correct, but I don't see how it helps the cause.
Are you trying to reassure us that you're working hard and also taking your union breaks? I would like that.
No, I'm calling you out for saying that people are "sleeping in" when they're sleeping in the middle of the night, as I plainly said. This is a post about the US, so mostly Americans are going to read it, and it's the support of Americans that we need. You were passive aggressive and wrong. Deal with it.
I'm so glad you think your perceptio of your personal slice of night is worth bringing this vibe, compared to what I asked for. Just bc you don't understand the rhetoric immediately, doesn't mean it was set out to harm anyone.
Thanks for putting ur ego up where the disco ball goes.
Oops. Forgot no one works third shift. Forgot this transgender person doesn't count as an american anymore.
Guess I don't exist. Oops.
Guess I'll become silent and stop irritating you while you look for something else to make about you and drag down.
Would that make you happier? Maybe republicans will send you a spraypainted piece of potmetal for making everybody's day better.
You don't get to play the trans card with me, asshole. I've got one too. Your expectations are unreasonable, and there's plenty to be worried about without setting your own hair on fire.
Slinging insults while nailing yourself to the cross makes you sound like a child. Grow up and get some perspective.
All trans healthcare? Does that mean all transition-related care? Or all healthcare to trans people?
My moneys on both
It would bar federal funding from going to any hospital or medical facility that provides gender-affirming care, including HRT. Like a Hyde Amendment for trans healthcare. Basically, no medical facility that wants to take Medicaid or Medicare would be able to provide gender-affirming care. Oh, you’ve got an entire hospital? That’s nice, but you have a single endo who prescribes HRT, so no funding at all for you.
Oh, so it would ban all healthcare as transcare. Got it.
Not quite. Definitely group punishment.
Probably about the same as the antiabortion playbook
How many kids did this fucker rape??? Every day it's a new horrid thing to try and distract us from the fact He Raped Children!
Trump rounds trans people up into death camps
"another attempt to distract us from the Epstein files!"
Mass rapist demands human beings give up their rights just doesn't have the same ring to it.
Yeah I'm pretty positive that he himself was a trafficker. Not just a client. Also a lot of the girls are likely dead.
I bet that is what is being hidden. Because it's worse than what people think it is.
Maga is already ok with him being a pedo as long as it was girls.
So it has to be much worse than that.
FUUUCK
Thought this was gonna be a 2026 thing.
SHUT IT THE FUCK DOWN. WE DO NOT NEGOTIATE WITH FASCIST TERRORISTS.
Shut this shit down for good at this point. Worthless ass government.
I'd call him a garbage human, but he's way beyond sub-human at this point
It would be an insult to garbage.
Ok... I squat corrected
TACO?
Solidarity. Trans important!
Not taco. Please stop. The more you say it the less it's true. Is your feeling okay more important than fascism flaking?
I thought the point of the phrase was to bruise Trump’s ego and reputation? It’s not “We believe this in order to make ourselves feel better,” but rather “Trump attempts to project a strong self-image, but he’s actually an insecure little chicken shit without a sense of personal conviction.”
This just provokes him, it doesnt actually degrade his power base like Epstein stuff at least theoretically should.
Yes, its true, but if you keep provoking him his senile ass will just start committing to shit for the sake of it. It gives him a clear out and it's not oje we want him to take.
Fascists never need an excuse to react. They’ll find scapegoats when they want to, but the fact is they don’t truly need them in order to retaliate - Trump and his ilk will do what they do regardless of what the rest of us say.
Great to hear the center right finally understands that!
This isnt about fucking excuses though. This is about ego.
I have to fly back into the states soon, I would appreciate it if air traffic controllers would first off, get proper time off, pay, and benefits, but also that they are paid
You might want to fly into Canada/Mexico and then take a bus.
FYFY
Well i certainly woukd, but this person mentioned coming to this shit hole country.
Do bus drivers get proper pay, benefits and sleep?
Most places they at least get the sleep. I know the pay abd benefits locally are adequate. Unsure about the multinational bus companies like grayhound and megabus.
But if a bus driver fucks up, you dont fall 50000 feet or slam into an aluminum frame full of jet fuel with your weight-reduced aluminum frame of jet fuel both going 200 mph 500 feet off the ground
Shut his ass down so the rest of the world can get on with good living
Or the truth, Democrats are shutting down the government because Trump and his regime are developing into a fascist autocracy.
Democrats are shutting it down? I thought they were the minority.
Developing?
It’s going to get much worse.
IDK how dumb this idea is, but what if Trump/Republicans that align with him are trying to cause a shutdown to take advantage of the chaos somehow and blame it on the Democrats, and part of the reason for sending the military to Portland/LA was to anger the Democrats enough to not fold?
Of course they are going to blame the Democrats. That was never not the play, lol.
Going to? They already are. Check out the HUD webpage:
https://www.hud.gov/reporthousingdiscrimination#openModal
It's not a dumb idea, it's almost certainly what's occurring, with the caveat that I don't think they actually want to shut the government down. Whenever you hear about an impending government shutdown, it is always a game of political chicken, trying to find out who will cave first, while simultaneously trying to preemptively sell the public that it's the other party's fault. Look at the messaging from the white House and congressional majority leadership. It's all "oooh the Democrats aren't willing to pass our super clean funding bill to keep the government open, they are unserious and willing to hold the American people hostage in order to continue mutilating babies". Meanwhile, Democrats state (accurately) that Republicans need Democrat votes to pass anything, therefore it is incumbent upon them to negotiate in good faith.
There's nothing more antithetical to Trumpism than good faith negotiation and compromise, so he's doing everything in his power to avoid that, lest it appear like he had to cave to Schumer, to include cancelling the meeting they had scheduled last week in favor of doing the meeting today, at the 11th hour, to further pressure the Dems into capitulating.
Now, it's important to note that, for all of the political brinkmanship on display, shutting down the government is, historically, far more damaging for the majority party than the minority, though the public tends to take a dim view of everyone involved in this sort of situation. Therefore, Dems have reason to stand fast and Republicans have an incentive to make concessions. This is in addition to the fact that Schumer got a lot of flak for instructing Dems to fund the government back in the spring, so he's also likely motivated to feign some backbone in this particular tete a tete.
I consider the occupation of certain cities to be mostly unrelated to the funding fight. In fact, it would have behooved Trump to not antagonize Dems leading up to this for the aforementioned reasons. With that being said, Trump doesn't do things according to what makes political sense, and, to your point, I can see a scenario where Trump is the only person at the negotiation table today who is totally ambivalent about whether a deal is struck or not. A local (Republican) representative was quoted with a statement to the effect of, "I'm not sure if the Dems have considered the fact that the Presidency is granted additional powers in the event of a budget related shutdown, maybe they should think about that".
So, you've got Dems at the table who are motivated to follow through with a shutdown unless they get certain carve outs. You've got congressional Reps at the table who are aware that the American public has historically always blamed the party in power when a shutdown occurs, and are thus motivated to make concessions, but quietly. And then you've got Trump et al, who gain additional emergency powers in the event of a shutdown, further diminishing the legitimacy of the other branches of government and increasing the consolidation of power within the executive branch. However, if the government doesn't shut down, Trump will likely spin this as yet another example of his brilliant negotiating ability (see also the Gaza peace plan released this week), even if there's a snowballs chance in hell that any concession appears in further funding bills the next time this occurs.
Idk if any of that holds any water in the face of evidence, but it's compelling speculation.
There is no 5D chess from this administration. They've proven themselves time and time again to be greedy and incompetent.
Yes, millions losing healthcare and an autocratic regime are the democrats fault. the shutdown will be the democrats fault. If they don’t cave, mass permanent firings are the democrats fault. Now it democrats decision whether to insist on medical rights for a marginalized population vs insist on medical rights for millions of low income people.
It’s all projection, blame, outrage, and will only end when those forms of manipulation stop working
Put down the tack board and red thread. Not everything is part of a conspiracy. Not everything is connected. Not everything is a distraction from the Epstein files. Not everything is part of some grand plan. The fascists are perfectly capable of doing multiple awful things at once, each for their own independently awful reason.
Threatening violence on your opponent's territory right before you have to negotiate with them is stupid though unless you have a reason to want things to escalate
Do it you fucking orange, do it.
But don’t be surprised when half your population moves to a better country.
No fuck that bullshit, I was born in the city of New York, I have lived most of my life in this city, and I will be damned if I have to leave. From my point of view I will stay in this city until the federal government fucks off and if I have to fight so be it.
getting rid of half the population is the goal. they'd prefer we emigrate (which is not nearly as easy as you seem to be assume) but killing us is also an acceptable means, as has been demonstrated.
They wouldn't prefer we emigrate. That's just a diplomatic line to start the logistics of genocide.
Also don't forget deathmarch. Most of both worlds.
Their favorite team captains are sadists who crave consent violation and expect a steady diet of it.
Sounds like he's looking for a win because he's going to lose on healthcare in general. It's a smart way to go about it because the transgender people are going to be sacrificed again and it puts healthcare at the top. It's smart, but 100% evil.
If the Democrats cave on that, then fuck them too.
But as far as I'm concerned Trump just delivered an easy win for the Democrats - this is an easy out for Democrats to not cooperate with Republicans (obviously morally abhorrent demand) and shift the blame for the shutdown to the right.
The problem is that the 'blame' is determined by the media. The Dems can blame Republicans all they want, but if the big media players frame it as their fault, all the idiots not paying attention will fall right in line.
Remind us who owns the media again
Well it's sure as shit not democratic politicians, so what exactly is your point here?
Billionaires own the media. the media will be blaming Democrats.
It's a foregone conclusion
That's my point. There's absolutely no winning for the Democrats here, no matter the outcome. They'll be blamed for shutting down the government and all the subsequent shit Trump breaks in the aftermath, or they'll be blamed for 'giving in' and letting Obamacare die.
Yeah. Unless they somehow figure out how to use messaging effectively. But probably just tens of millions to run the same attack ad every break during Family Feud. As per normal.
there are only. 001 maybe less of the population. It's a non-issue in reality. Unfortunately, they make it an issue to divide people.
Wait.
Is he trying to reverse psychology something
He's trying to convince his very stupid followers this is a shutdown he started over transifa. They will overwhelmingly accept this.
He could say it's because Democrat made hottdish always gives him diarrhea and he thinks it's sus and is shutting down the government so he can get bathroom peace and his followers would overwhelmingly accept it.
Making it about transgender is just a hate move and is trying to get violence going again after reading your comment.
Well I guess no more gender affirming surgeries for balding fat loser white guys also then.
Its almost as if he doesn't care about the reason and will make up anything on the spot.
Oh, and hes also a child fucker.
Rapist, child rapist.
Trump will do a thousand crazy things to deflect from his children rapes. Look here! Look there! Look up! Look down! Look left! What a maroon. A dangerous maroon. (Not a misspelling but a Bugs Bunny reference).
Diabolical sabotage...
I'm now fully convinced he's a dictator calling himself a "president".
Just now?? His third term and beyond aren't jokes. He never makes jokes that's not a veiled threat. The dude has such little empathy at his age that he isn't able to feign anything without revealing his real intentions.
Wait I thought you had medbeds for everyone?
Not for trans people. They are for white straight guys only 😤
Do it. Shut down the government. At least we'll get rid of ICE this way
I wish it were that simple. But they passed that budget for ICE already, which funds them all year.
Things that help people? Yeah, those are what's gone.
Surely this is the last group of people whose rights he want to remove. Surely.
Fingers crossed… up next, dei hired professionals all lose their license.
Shut it down, pussy.
The Democrats should threaten shut the government down unless they release the Epstein files. Fuck it all, make the Republicans have to tell their constituents they were willing to shut the government down to protect the Pedophile in Chief
That would require the democrats to act as an actual opposition party, which they have basically never done.
EDIT: I apologize, I must make a correction, the democrat party did act as an actual opposition party from approximately 1861 until the early 20th century, but I don't think anyone should cite that as a proud example.
They can't since some of them are on the files themselves.
At this point, even the most die-hard republicans should be horribly ashamed by the fact this "man" is even allowed to participate in politics.
Eh, who am I kidding? Few bad apples spoil the bunch, and it‘s already happened worldwide. Trump has become only a symptom of the wretched corruption that is everywhere.
Do it. Shut the government down. I don't think you got the guts to give away your power in protest, you orange bum
It must be TACO Tuesday…
Meaning he will spend Wednesday and Thursday on the toilet?
The Trumpie Regime has been putting out AI videos…..
I know what it meant. But I was making a joke...
I feel like it's a misdirection. Like, this isn't what he really wants. This is a ploy to get/do something way, way worse. Or use this to cover up the Epstein files or something. He'll use the shutdown and a hot button topic to get what he sees as a big fish...
Eliminating all trans people is what he really wants. The genocide of trans people is already happening in the US. When trans people don't have access to trans-related medical care, they die at very high rates. When
transpeople are terrorized by their government and their neighbors, they lash out. Whentranspeople are labeled as terrorists, there can be no peace.The Mormons, Southern Baptists, and some Jewish groups just asked the Supreme Court to consider trans people exempt from equal protections clause of the 14th amendment.
The genocide of trans people and immigrants is happening. Now. Today.
Government shutdown is also what he really wants, because he wants unrest and violence to justify sending the military to cities to carry out his nazi terrorism, declare a national emergency, and hold a third term in office.
Tbf, the US government has a long history of accusing peaceful citizens of being terrorists. Both parties love to do that.
Why couldn’t it also be what he really wants? What part of anything happening in the US and anything coming from the right could possibly signal that they don’t want this?
Conservatism is a cancer and fascism is perfectly happy to turn that knob up to 11.
Because if he plays that card now, he doesn't get to use it again. If he keeps it in his back pocket, he gets to manipulate more people for longer. And it's a win/win for him regardless.
What ground would the democratic party be willing to give up to ensure it doesn't happen now.... what about in 6 months, next year, etc. One thing I'm pretty sure he wants more than anything is a 3rd term. So, unless they have a bulletproof way to stop him from taking health care away, it's something he can keep weaponizing.
I'd love to be wrong, but he seems to like to kick up a lot of noise before his real plan is shown.
Well, the US is pretty useless, at least institutionally, when it comes to resisting right-wing demands. The Democrats(the party) will give up pretty much whatever and then cry about it while doing nothing. “Someone must stop him!” just doesn’t have the same ring when coming out of the people who have the most power to do something about it.
Absolutely agree.
How dreadful! For many trans people it'll endanger their lives.
It all reminds me of what was happening in Russia over the decades, just smashed into an impossible timeline. Small steps lead to irrevocable disasters.
Shut down the government because of 1% of the population. What a loser.
I'm actually for that, but a different 1%, that's actually hurting everyone.
Let's stop all healthcare for that 1% yeah.
Oh i can think of a couple procedures I'd like them to have access to.
Gotta love that freedom and small government
lets refuse to fund his magic bed
Mike Johnson shut the government down to prevent the release of the Epstein files. Full stop.
Let him TACO this. His base wants other people to suffer, not themselves.
Also, dems should demand epstein files be released to prevent a shutdown.
Why so fragile
Well, sure, but remember that Harris was so terribly transphobic many people just plain didn’t vote at all! Which is obviously the Democrats’ fault for running such a terribly transphobic candidate.
And yes, this option that we have here, this - ban transgender federal funds, make trans people terrorists - was the only other choice available. But that still means it’s the Democrats’ fault because otherwise you’d have to blame people who didn’t do the one most important thing they could to prevent this and obviously we can’t blame them.
Look, we’ll call it even and should we somehow make it to the midterms next year we’ll all decide to protest by not voting again. Then the Democrats will really start paying attention to us! Pretty soon after that, bang-zoom! Workers will seize the means of production and . . do something with chains. Ride bikes maybe? Anyway, sounds fun.
With coalition building and solidarity like this, I can't imagine how they lost.
No point in electing dems if they dont fix anything, prosecute crimes against humanity or coups, etc. They haven't shown willingness so far.
The point is that they're less bad than what we have now dipshit
The point is they distract and steal resources from real solutions and perpetuate credibility and permissibility of systems the fascists need if they want to win.
And also that they're absolute dog shit at winning elections because they're not even trying to do what the people want.
Notice how you're just attacking the left, people whose votes ypu tjink your masters are entitled to, rather than discussing any actual solution or preventive measure to any of these problems, further cementing a coalition you freely admit the other side sees as dead and buried rather than opposing fascism–by yourselves or with the left?
There were other races on the Democratic primary ballots than just President and VP ticket, ballots that eligible voters could have cast to put better candidates up for election. All those people could have turned in a ballot in the primary and the general to show the campaign runners that they are a winnable vote. And they could still protest the candidates by leaving that office blank. You can opinion poll all you want to get the data to speak your way. But they can't ignore if 1/3 of the primary ballots in a state didn't select a candidate. Not voting at all will never, ever, ever convince incumbents and campaign managers that they need to change. It will only ever convince them that they don't have to care about your issues. So turn in a ballot every time, even if you leave it blank in protest.
Sorry, I'm too old and have an actual memory. Plus I read a history book that one time. This shit doesnt work on me.
They absolutely can ignore it, but they don't –they actively ratfuck it.
The fact is rather than energizing the electorate they alienated people so fucking hard the uncommitted people who weren't about 'sending a message' just saw voting as pointless. Right or wrong; most Americans aren't comitted enough to their principles for that. The dems fave us Donald trump. Both times, if you remember the story in 2016. I'm more willing to block you than i am argue this farther, because you cannot at this point–after seeing how the 'blue no matter who' crowd tried to turn on mamdani–support either electoral party in good faith.
Selective quoting is so much fun!! Leaving out the thing I actually said so you can argue with something else instead!! Yee HAw!!
To my knowledge we've never had a primary like I'm talking about (where all those traditionally non-voters decide to show up and leave those selections empty to protest a poor selection of candidates) so you can't remember it not working. Even in 2024 we had just over %4 of primary voters cast a ballot for Uncommitted, and the highest state primary turnout was still under 40%, and as far as I'm aware for the first time in history the nominee stepped down due to their unpopularity. You going to tell me that if we suddenly had 70% primary turnout and fully a third of the ballots an office unselected that both the nominee and their campaign staff would just ignore it?
Assuming you're a non-voter, you're doing exactly what they want from you: shutting up when it matters so that it's easier for them to stay where they are. Because us arguing on the internet doesn't matter, only the elections do.
How can you say the ratfuck something that's never happened?
They didn't want AOC but the people voted for her and here we are. They didn't want Mamdani but the people did so they voted for him and here we are. Bernie won the Democratic nomination for Senate before running as an Independent. People need to stop waiting for the party to "energize" them with a candidate they want. That will never happen. People need to just fucking show up and tell the party in the primaries, because the actual votes are the only thing that matters.
My dude I'm referencing Mamdani as an example of how we can overcome the party trying to go against us. And I'm not talking about supporting the 'blue no matter who' crowd. I'm talking about the people who say "we have to make the Democracts lose by not voting so they will wake up and give us better candidates' crowd. I'm not telling you or any of them they should have voted for Kamala in the general. I'm saying you and them should turn in a ballot in the primaries because there are multiple offices to select a candidate for, not just the president. That impacts Congress and your state/county/city government. Leave it blank if you don't like any of the candidates, show you care without voting your principles. I support that.
People do not care and the Democratic party is why they don't care.
And trump is their creature, so fuck them double.
Did they? Well hey good news - you get trump again then. It's going really well isn't it.
You cannot accept that you fucked up, you failed, and you lost to the dumbest mother fucker in the world because of it.
And instead of fighting him–instead of trying to fix any if it you just strike left and blame the damn pinko commie scum for all your problems, because its all you know how to do, and all you were ever going to do in power.
You are an unpleasant person and you are not making the world a better place. Not that you've ever tried.
On the one hand I agree, on the other I'm so angry and tired of either hearing that my issues aren't important enough to do something about (the line told to Millennials during pretty much every election - presidential and otherwise - from Bush onward outside of Biden and Obama on things like housing prices and student loan debt/price of college) or that as a transgender person, we need to let the Republicans do a little genocide and removal of our rights and freedoms as a treat or else the "moderate Republicans" won't vote for the Democratic candidate (are the "moderate Republicans" in the room with us right now?). And then we get blamed for the Dems losing one way or another regardless. Either the Millennials didn't vote hard enough, or our demands of things like affordable housing and protection of minorities' rights were "too radical and lost the Dems the moderate vote."
I still voted for Harris because it was either the Dems rein in the fascists to some extent at the federal level or the only safe places being Democrat run states, but the Dems absolutely threw us under the bus as a "worthy sacrifice" to court a mythological voting base that hasn't existed in decades - if it ever did at all - and I can't really blame people for being sick and tired of it.
It's a fair point, or number of points, but the voting for Harris part is all anyone could do in that final situation on Election Day.
I agree. I'm just so frustrated with the poor options that we're given that I couldn't help but say something. Especially with the whole sarcastic transphobia remarks I see about the Dems when they are indeed transphobic, or at least more than willing to let trans people die for no reason.
7 upvotes, no downvotes and banned. Huh?
Really crazy how any other spaces but lemmy they're saying this is the democrats fault.
Trump isn’t man enough to do it. You won’t do it, pussy!
Go for it, you first.
I don't understand this at all healthcare in America is private so what the fuck does the government have to "worry" about? They are not paying for any of this.
The. Cruelty. Is. The. Point.
This is fucked demand.
What are the chances he just drops this position?
That's terrible.
Organize the worker
Fuck this ridiculous man and his supporters. We should offer asylum in Europe for the people he's basically persecuting and denying basic rights to.
Great that we in Europe also like to piss on the rights of trans people. Just take a look at terf island or Hungary. If I remember right Poland also introduced some shit regulations on trans people, but dont count me on that.
And no I dont want to say, that the situation across Europe is the same as in the USA, but we better be careful, that the same shit doesn't happen here too.
I fear the US is just ahead of the curve. This trend is slowly getting everywhere.
The Bell Riots were apparently a decade or so off.
Do it, fash.
Believe it or not, just a tactic. The “art of the deal” is only bullying or doubling down. Find something more horrible for your opponents to fight, to distract from the real battles. We need to stand firm on healthcare for millions and the rule of law, regardless whether they threaten permanent firings, regardless whether they threaten worse to marginalized people arts of our population.
I’m not saying this behavior is in any way acceptable, just that it’s trying to move the battle lines.
Children in charge of countries...
Kraznov doing civil war stuff again, ignore
I can't take this headline at face value due to the source and their propensity to lie by omission.
"All trans health care" sounds like it's not really all trans health care, but it's something transpeople don't want to lose so they're going to lie and make it seem like more than it is.
Yeah, that's not the same as "banning all trans health care."
These people hurt themselves more when they do this. Be honest and sincere in journalism; not some influencer trying to drum up hype.
This is bad enough without journalists lying about it.
If passed, this would effectively ban trans healthcare. It would cut funding to any hospital or medical facility that provides gender affirming care. That means only private practices would be able to offer gender affirming care, and most of them would probably have to stop providing it. If they continued to, they would be ineligible to receive payment from medicare or medicaid for any other patients they see, not just the trans ones. The administration is talking about labeling all trans people as terrorists, why would you think they wouldn't ban trans healthcare with a smile on their shitty faces?
Not like a coward maybe?
Nobody cares
Actually, a lot of people care.