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Mass Shootings at Two Homeless Camps After Fox Host Called for Homeless to Be Killed

At least 13 people were injured, five critically in two separate mass shootings at homeless encampments in Minneapolis, Minnesota on Monday. The first shooting took place at East Lake Street and Interstate 35W around 11am local time.

https://meidasnews.com/news/mass-shootings-at-two-homeless-camps-after-fox-host-called-for-homeless-to-be-killedOpen linkView original on lemmy.world

Are they gonna lower flags to half mast? Will there be a moment of silence? Are they gonna take responsibility? Will they persecute anyone who cheers on these deaths? Do pigs fly?

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anarchist.nexus

Move past pointing out hypocrisy. They don't care. We all know and on the scale of shit they're guilty of; it seems petty. The institutions are not going to do shit.

Consider what you will be doing about this.

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Pennomireply
lemmy.world

Pointing out hypocrisy is not usually for the benefit of the hypocrite, it’s for the benefit of everyone else.

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crazypeople.online

Comrade, organizing online is fraught in the best of times but I think people are hyper aware of the risks of talking about these things online right now.

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Dude the wife and I like talking long bike rides without our phones, the only electronics on us our lights and our motors. Get in some good conversations outside the city limits once it's quiet and we don't have to worry about blocking the tractor that comes by hourly (only traffic on that road) at 10mph, which we can both do without our motors.

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Okay and I get that, but the hypocrisy thing just feels tedious. Like someone's trying very hard to miss what they're even doing when they make phonemes.

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crazypeople.online

I say this with kindness: what do your comments add to the discussion? Sometimes people just want to vent. It's cool. Just scroll past.

Why didn't I scroll past your comment? Because I thought it might be useful to remind people to shut the fuck up.

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Shutting the fuck up is pretty great if you have literally any idea what to do. I'm not anti shut-the-fuck-up. It's a really great solution for a lot of people. The best, even.

I think i am also entitled to vent. Hearing libs shout about hypocrisy then aggressively shout down even the most mild plan of 'okay but personally ask them to stop' is pretty frustrating.

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njm1314reply
lemmy.world

Who's stopping you from talking about Solutions?

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Not knowing shit about signal electrowhatever or guns, which seem like the two bodies of knowledge a solution would come from.

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njm1314reply
lemmy.world

So your own ignorance is the only thing stopping you?

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Ignorance and general powerlessness. Also he's all the way fuck over there and I'm not buying diapers and living off cash and MREs for a week while I piss jug my way across a couple thousand miles just to live out someone else's fantasy of being Gavrilo Príncip

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Ghystereply
sh.itjust.works

Just the opposite. Continue to point it out at every opportunity. They hate being called out. It doesn't matter if they care about what they practice, they hate hearing it.

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Maevereply
kbin.earth

So far, it only seems to be ratcheting up persecution.

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lemmy.world

We're at the point now where the only way out is through. The basic checklist includes staying alive, staying sane, trying to stay out of trouble, helping out when you can, and looking for others doing the same. More or less in that order. There is always a "final battle" when society does a fascism that ultimately unwinds it. We're on track for that and have just missed our last exit. That's what we have to look forward to. We're firmly in "weeks where decades happen" territory, buckle up. Hopefully this time we can clean up properly after.

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We've been there for a long while and refused to see it, for personal comfort and safety. It will require a lot more temperance, courage, sacrifice, a lot less reactionarianism.

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Nightlightreply
lemmy.ca

Not a magnifying glass. Giant tungton rods. No explosive need. Just drop them from space. Kinetic energy does the rest

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SparroHawcreply
lemmy.zip

Weaponizing giant tungsten rods takes a lot more than 'dropping' them, you can't just let go when they're in orbit and expect them to hit targets because .... they're in orbit, they ain't going anywhere without some delta V. Plus, if they're massive dense objects, getting them up INTO orbit is gonna take a ton of rocket fuel. At that point you might as well just use an ICBM with an explosive payload because the destruction-to-cost ratio is way better.

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DarkArireply
lemmy.blahaj.zone

Probably the most expensive way to turn cash into 1/100th the energy of a nuclear bomb but I don't want to give them any ideas.

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It's the rods from god program. It was not pursued for obvious reasons. I just wanted to sugjest an even more ridiculous solution than a giant orbital magnifying glass

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Stabbithareply
lemmy.world

Not only do they not care, they get off on people getting upset over the hypocrisy. It's a power move.

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These were liberal left wing extremists that did this right? The blood thirsty left who want to kill everyone and regularly threaten people and groups with death, murder and mayhem?

Or am I thinking of another political extremist group?

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Kirp123reply
lemmy.world

If the US lowered flags to half mast after every mass shooting I'm pretty sure they would always be at half mast.

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That's how it should be then. If it's down literally every day, maybe people would begin to realize how frequent they are.

Who am I kidding, they dgaf

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Are they gonna lower flags to half mast?

No, but I'm sure they themselves are at full mast after hearing about it.

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lemmy.world

"all flags are to be raised to DOUBLE-MAST!! THANKS FOR YOUR ATTENTION TO THIS MATTER"

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Came here to post pretty much this. Oh, an asshole advocating violence and calling empathy harmful is murdered? National tragedy. We have to do something. 13 presumably innocent people are murdered. Crickets.

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I got one more:
would I care if someone held Kilmeade responsible in an extrajudicial way?

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They just break other people's shit and then the Enlightened Centrists (and not a few deluded leftists) whine when the responsible adults (Democrats) don't fix it fast enough.

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FaceDeerreply
fedia.io

The problem is that they're happy to own it.

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So how do we stop them? Law's not gonna do shit, but fox news did incite multiple mass murders here. What kind of consequences can be applied?

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FaceDeerreply
fedia.io

[ Removed by Reddit ] is the only idea that comes to mind, alas.

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So, like, anything between a gently worded letter that never quite asks explicitly but strongly implies what you'd like and full on accellerationist posadism?

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lemmy.world

Do you play jazz? I'm trying to write a slanderous samba but so far my drums track is so basic (I always wanted to play but never got the chance to learn so right now it's just a basic samba rhythm, no embellishment)

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evenglowreply
lemmy.world

The only downside to a strike is not enough people striking.

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So, a 'strike' has come to mean 'work stoppage'

And historically that has been the most mild of its possible meanings.

Sabotage of machinery and doing work as normal but dividing the product up among workers or giving it out for free, lying to suppliers, and all sorts of more aggressive tactics have traditionally been included in what that word meant. A lot of that doesn't take a lot of people.

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Yes. Also back in the day there was no fast food or Starbucks. No Amazon. No Walmart.

The Machine has changed.

Congress won't shut it down. The workers can shut it down. If we want to fix the machine we have to shut it down and fix the Republican sabotage first.

Protests warn people there is a problem. Protests can be ignored. People not getting their fast food can't be ignored. Daily inconvenience can't be ignored.

Just look at all the panic work from home caused or when road transport of goods was slowed down.

Rich people pay attention to their money and the average person will pay attention when they can't get a cheese burger or latte.

Remember what happened when Trump forced China to hit the off button on rare earth metals that are required to keep modern society above complete and sudden collapse?

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Members of the fascist party could not be reached for comment, but their neighbors did report noise complaints, from the volume of masturbation.

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kbin.melroy.org

Can I quote myself without sounding arrogant? Brian Killmeade called for homeless to be shot, then retracted.

But he said it. The message has been delivered, and spread. Saying and apologizing is not the same as not saying it.

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lemmy.world

The redactions never travel as fast or far as the original message. They know this.

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It's along the lines of a quote by Mark Twain

“A lie can travel halfway around the world while the truth is still putting on its shoes.”

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Ohmmyreply
lemmy.dbzer0.com

It's expected of Disney, been supporting fascists since the start.

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thanks AVreply
lemmy.world

This is the worst time in human history to be able to read

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given how obsessed Walt Disney was with Germany, taking all of our folk lore / fairy tales, using german architecture as inspiration for castles and towns etc it isn't really all that surprising to learn that he loved us a bit too much

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He could be just not by our legal system, and certainly not by the corpos. But hey there's always the possibility of a Luigi stepping up. Only way we will see justice, imo.

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Noxyreply
pawb.social

Saying and apologizing is not the same as not saying it

I love this. Well said.

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Thank you. I had a colleague that could tell you to fuck off and later apologize, but it didn't feel right anyway. And especially in this case, with graver consequences.

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I thought he said they should receive lethal injections. Not that they should be shot. Or is this a different instance?

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lemmy.dbzer0.com

Here we are guys.

First they came for the immigrant.

Then they came for the homeless.

Youre on the list.

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I mean, technically I guess they came for trans people first. That was day one.

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Even if you're "one of the good ones"

Especially if you're "one of the good ones"

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What kind of a bot response is this? You're not disabled or living, you're a bot. Either stop pretending you're a person or if you are a person make a separate non-bot flagged account.

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This happened Monday, and this is the first I've heard of it.

But, today some cops were shot in PA, and it's immediately all over the news. There's a press conference going on now, and everyone is shocked and sad.

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Yes but if all the murder they do causes them to 'have the best sex of [Their] lives as a perk of the job' then the orgonne energy released by a pig or pig-fucker dying should make the whole city wet/hard–and for those worried about birth rates, these particular thoughts and prayers should be very useful.

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rozodrureply
piefed.social

because no one cares when homeless people die. And in fact the fox news guy just said the quiet part out loud of what A LOT of people think.

I do volunteer work outreach work for the homeless and it's a weekly thing to see homeless people beaten up, attacked in their sleep, etc. This isn't a new thing.

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Women, children, differently gendered and slight of build are raped regularly, in addition to other physical abuse on the streets as well.

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andyburkereply
fedia.io

I just had this exact same experience.

Tearing each other apart while the billionaires laugh at us.

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Some? I saw one about a guy who went into work and having seen someone there with a gun before not in uniform and said he decided he was going to shoot him. Last I knew he didn't even ask for a lawyer, he just brought his gun in, shot him and put it back in the car after apparently then let them arrest him.

Guess I'll have to go searching for the others

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Can we go ahead and label fox news as a terrorist organization? They are inciting violence against americans and their viewers are acting on it.

Clearly the administration will do something about these right wing lunatics...

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lemmy.dbzer0.com

Oh i dunno, maybe the definition of Terrorist.

"unlawfully using violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims."

The unlawfully part is to be questioned since they are using hate speech and hate speech was deemed protected by the supreme court in the past. But apparently the administration doesn't like that, so the supreme court will probably deem hate speech is not protected anymore since they are bought and paid for by the GOP.

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“unlawfully using violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims.”

The key part you are missing here is the "unlawfully" part. As the mouthpiece of the current regime they are clearly not beholden to the law (whats left of it) in the us.

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lemmy.ca

You know who else liked to kill homeless people the fucking nazziiiss

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WalterLegoreply
lemmy.zip

To more and more Republicans this becomes a compliment.

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lemmy.world

Which is why words won't work, and only stronger measures will. If you want a Nazi free country, then ask a bartender on how they keep their bar Nazi free. Same solution; different scales.

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lemmy.world

Kilmeade should face charges. Not sure what charges. Not murder, but the equivalent of shouting 'fire' in a crowded theater.

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Allemaniacreply
lemmy.world

call to murder. why sugarcoat it? He said kill em, proud MAGA fanbois did so. Literally contract killing

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Jarixreply
lemmy.world

No it's not literally. Use words correctly or fuxks sake

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Allemaniacreply
lemmy.world

of all this fucked up shit you decide to critize my grammar lmao I am not american, I speak german and spanish more fluently than english. So pardon me, please stay on topic dude. People are getting eradicated due to a politian ordering to do so. This is what matters here.

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Words have meaning. If you aren't familiar with US conspiracy theories, you don't understand what's been happening in the US.

It's important to be accurate and precise when things are this bad. Otherwise it's chaos all the way down.

So yes I will criticize your grammar. And what's wrong with that? It helps make your arguments stronger by fixing them.

Every good author has a good editor for this exact reason. Why are you upset?

I'm not American either

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Karjalanreply
lemmy.world

I feel like it should be similar to the whole yelling fake fire in a crowded theater thing. Don't people get in serious trouble for that.

I mean what he's doing is much worse. And yes, he is inciting violence

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lemmy.world

Traitors, rapists and pedophiles all of them. After all birds of a feather, flock together.

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No pushback for that Fox Host that said that. Only pushback and doxing for mean comments about dead white nationalist and nazi.

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Or merely mentioning that some democrats were also assassinated this year...

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That's how this is going to go.

They will exercise every ounce of power they have to silence, suppress, defend or depose any dissenting voices.

Now that they're in a position where everyone is so desensitized to how fucking horrible things are, a lot of this stuff seems like small potatoes.

Stewart gets cancelled, Colbert gets cancelled.

Next up, papers please.

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lemmy.ca

That Fox host might lose their job, like Kimmel, because the law is equally applied. /s

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lemmy.world

What law? ABC is a garbage company for doing what they did and we should all boycott them but they didn't break the law.

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Trump's FCC said they were looking into punishments for ABC because of Jimmy Kimmel, and many ABC associates are currently waiting for FCC approval for their mergers. That is clear regulatory pressure/corruption.

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lemmy.today

I already wrote to them, and told them that after decades of being my first choice for news, I would be shifting my news viewing to NBC.

I further told them that I would be cancelling Hulu/ Disney+, and would pirate their content from now on, without commercials.

And I will.

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lemmy.ca

I bet you've been just waiting for this moment, to pull that one out, haven't you?

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And I just noticed something: that’s a white house, and the roof and upper floor has been thoroughly washed in dried blood from impaled jabronies. :(

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seathrureply
lemmy.sdf.org

But I'm a gunsmith, not a carpenter. You don't want me building houses. However, if you need some tips on making firearms out of things easily lifted from home depo, I'm your man.

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“Alright, so get your power drill, and carefully duct tape it to the gun. That way, when you pull the trigger, you got a revolver.”

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Maevereply
kbin.earth

I'm not sure giving people on the streets weapons wholesale is the answer when many are there due to illnesses that manifest in violence.

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Cataphractreply
lemmy.ml

Just so you know, you're getting downvoted because what you're saying is wrong and actually contributes to the problem.

Mental Illness and Violence Among People Experiencing Homelessness: An Evidence-Based Review

Please read the full study and it's sources. It's so important and negates a large portion of misinformation you're going to hear. I'll highlight some points in case some people don't want to.

The US media is saturated with coverage of perceived threats to public safety by people experiencing homelessness (PEH) with purported “mental illness.” ... a content analysis of 6,400 tweets regarding PEH collected over three months showed widespread generalizations that PEH posed a high risk of violence and that homelessness was caused by untreated mental illness.3

About 30% of PEH have a mental health condition.73 The framing of these narratives have been identified as further entrenching the dehumanization of PEH, contributing to oversimplified understandings of PEH and mental illness, and motivating policy interventions that are not evidence-based.4 Physicians’ lack of specific training in working with PEH can create additional barriers to accessing care,5 especially since PEH may perceive negative attitudes in their physicians,6 exacerbating feelings of alienation.7 Stigma is pervasive,8 and that experience is often compounded by PEH’s past negative experiences with medical care and ongoing structural barriers to engagement

There's many more passages that are relevant and have way too much info for me to copy/paste here, like:

  • Mental Illness and Addiction Can Be One of Many Precipitants of Homelessness and Should Not Be Seen as the Underlying Cause
  • Homelessness and Mental Illness Are Not Driving Surges in Violent Crime
  • Permanent Supportive Housing is Cost-Effective and Associated with Better Outcomes for PEH
  • Putting People Away Without Essential Care and Basic Needs
  • Learning “From the Misses” Does Not Breed Compassion

Again, you're going to be reading, watching, and discussing homelessness in media for the rest of your life. It's only going to take you 20 minutes to get real facts about the debates and form an evidence based opinion on the matter. Or just disregard and continue watching/reading misinformation to form your thoughts for you.

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Maevereply
kbin.earth

I'm aware not all are. It's funny though that suddenly people who are against reasonable bg checks suddenly aren't.

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I wouldn't take a few hyperbolic statements made on Lemmy as an opportunity to perpetuate common misunderstandings though. I assure you anyone wanting to focus on arming instead of housing any homeless are just accelerationists and not wanting an actual solution.

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lemmy.ca

Y'know. That's one way to end homelessness. Just kill everyone who is homeless. Voila, no homelessness.

You become homeless? Straight to the firing line for you.

I mean, other countries did it by lifting up their citizens with social programs and housing projects and whatnot. Admittedly, I would prefer this much more than America's method.

But this does seem quite America of a solution to the homeless "problem"....

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Zinkreply
programming.dev

That's basically current day fascist America's answer for every inconvenient group of subhumans.

Homeless? Shoot 'em. Problem gone!

War in Gaza has bad optics? Level it and then you ended the war. Problem gone!

LGBTs? Mexicans??? You're not gonna believe this...

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That's just fascists in general. Sadly, there seems to be a lot of them in the USA.

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He should be arrested and charged with aiding and abetting a felon and being an accessory to murder.

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discuss.online

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aiding_and_abetting

Providing any encouragement or incitement to commit a crime falls under that definition. By saying they should be killed and that they are dangerous, unwanted, and need to be gotten rid of that means the mass shooters felt they had the go-ahead to do what they did when they heard that statement.

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lemmy.ca

Maybe punished for incitement, on the grounds that it was "directed to inciting or producing imminent lawless action and is likely to incite or produce such action"? Tough to prove in court but as a bystander I'm frustratingly unsurprised the one thing followed the other.

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lemmy.ca

 "That's the way it has to be now. Or, involuntary lethal injection. Yeah. Or something. Just kill ‘em, yeah,” Kilmeade said in response to his co-host suggesting homeless people suffering from mental illness be imprisoned if they do not accept treatment.

Can’t believe this is a real quote WTF

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FauxLivingreply
lemmy.world

Yeah, Nexstar canceled Kimmel for calling this behavior out but still carries Fox

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lemmy.world

How about putting Fox on the list of defendants when this goes to court?

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In just and righteous country that would be the job of the DA. But the US DA has been fighting for the interest of the prison's shareholders for decade.

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lemmy.cafe

Completely expected

The right has been frothing at the mouth for ANY EXCUSE to enact their twisted murder fantasies about minorities, this was enough for them

The right are nothing more than a rabid collection of genocidal freaks, and now they own the fucking government

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lemmy.world

Yeah... Where we are headed is a very dark place and I can't see any way for us to back away from the edge.

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They were quoting the Republican party at CPAC iirc, though your interpretation is also accurate. I guess a couple specific flavors of centrist are the only non-terrorists left in the country.

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lemmy.world

so are we supposed to now talk about the fox host and his loving non bigoted rhetoric did not at all help this unfold? (/s)

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No.

It's the gun analogy. Guns don't kill people. People with guns kill people. People with guns kill people over disagreements they can't properly resolve, or lunacy. Guns are a tool for hunting for food, but caveman brain leads to them being used as both deterrents, and as misused weapons.

If Fox News promotes lunacy and caters to lunacy, then they should probably be dealt with and taken off the air. My biggest problem with Fox is just how awful their opinion segments (most of their runtime) are and sound. My goodness, I lose IQ just listening to it for more than two seconds. When Fox News reports on news, and only news, without an opinion, they are fine.

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lemmy.ca

Speaking on Fox & Friends Friday about Charlie Kirk’s death, Trump admitted that he isn’t all that concerned about right-wing radicals.

“Well, I’ll tell you something that’s gonna get me in trouble, but I couldn’t care less. The radicals on the right oftentimes are radical ‘cause they don’t want to see crime, they don’t want to see crime,” Trump said. “They’re saying, ‘We don’t want these people coming in, we don’t want you burning our shopping centers, we don’t want you shooting our people in the middle of the street.’”

“The radicals on the left are the problem,” he continued, “and they’re vicious and they’re horrible and they’re politically savvy.”

6 days ago.

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To be 100% fair, I'm not opposed to a forceful reckoning at this point to save the country.

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lemmy.ml

It's crazy how republicans are showing they are the actual "snowflakes" and they are actually the pro-censorship party.

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They know what they're doing when they make stupid, inflammatory statements

There are countless stupid, hateful people itching for an excuse to be violent, and the people who call them to arms can deny all responsibility

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lemmy.world

Not saying Fox studios should be burned to the ground, but It would be a shame if it didn't happen.

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Palestine Action taught us that destroying corporate property is an extremely effective form of protest.

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lemmy.world

When do we start rounding up all the Faux execs and the on-air talent and imprison them, and get Faux taken down and not carried anywhere? When do we start doxxing those that support Faux by watching Faux, and start getting THEM fired?

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Gotta be honest if people were to start doxxing fox and other media CEO's/board of directors that helped usher in this current strain of fascism. And then those high profile people would start losing their homes and lives. I would celebrate that as justice served.

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don
lemmy.ca

The Right are the party of murder.

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And Jimmy Kimmel deserved to be pulled off air more than the Fox host. Make that make sense.

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lemmy.world

That’s literally social media right now. Someone posts objective evidence of right wing violence, the first comment is “it’s the violent left's fault!”

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Trans! Don't forget they're trans!

And if not trans, they know a trans!

If they don't... Well they heard of trans!

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melsaskcareply
lemmy.ca

Fuck the lefties and the righties. Always choose the middle path for total enlightenment, otherwise you are just a pawn in someone else's game.

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How does it feel being so much of a pawn you don't even realize you're in the game?

Centrists can get bent. Pick a side you capitulating coward.

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melsaskcareply
lemmy.ca

Pick a side? How many sides are there? You are definitely dancing to the pipers. Just look at your incivility. They got you whirling like a dervish.

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sh.itjust.works

Mate I don't have any love for the democratic party but when one side decides to do a fascism and you call yourself a centrist then you're enabling fascism. Or at least admitting you'd like some light fascism. You can be independent without being centrist

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I didn't call myself a centrist. I was referring to Buddhism. They really did a number on you. You are jumping to conclusions.

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Wait, how can you take the middle road but not know how many roads are to the left, right, etc.? You found the middle road so you know how many sides there are, their relative weights, how they wind and undulate.

But then that would imply the middle road is defined by the left and right roads. Just as easily dictated as any other road.

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mander.xyz

Right: We should murder homeless people murders homeless people

Melsaskca: Fuck the left too! We actually need elements of the right.

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You do realize that mentality just automatically cedes ground to whatever party is willing to be more radical?

If the right is willing to be more and more radical and the left fails to respond in equal proportion, then the center moves further and further right.

This is literally what has caused all the issues we've had in America since the Democrats adopted Thirdway politics in the 90's. If your only political goal is compromise, then you don't actually control your own political agenda.

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lunalusterreply
lemmy.world

What a clueless, cowardly statement. You choose to actively shit on the very people who stand for values of solidarity, equity, diversity, and self management. Because you've led yourself to believe that the loudmouthed assholes who are in a persistent fit of public rage (and want to kill people) are just as good as those who want peace.

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drhodlreply
lemmy.world

Fuck all fence sitting cowards! Cunts like YOU are why we got stuck with Donny 2 Weeks.

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melsaskcareply
lemmy.ca

Not sitting on a fence. You are very angry. Calling names won't help though. Try to be more constructive with your criticism.

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melsaskcareply
lemmy.ca

"Middle path" based on Buddhism. Man, you're all cranked up on a specific line of thought.

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Tiger666reply
lemmy.ca

Liberals are fascist apologists. Keep sticking your head in the sand.

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melsaskcareply
lemmy.ca

I'm not internet enough to know what tankies are but I have been made more aware of the anger/rudeness that exists defending ideas/thoughts (on both sides), especially when being unable to recognize something completely different. Those ideas seem to be very hard-wired and I can't help but wonder if this is just good behaviourism in action. Can you even tell anymore? P.S. You shouldn't hate...take a breath.

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DarkArireply
lemmy.blahaj.zone

Tankies are a term that references the teinimen square massacre, where this man named tank man, stood in front of a tank, creating this iconic image that was published globally in the media. Tankies refer to people who say that the massacre was a legitimate use of force by the Chinese communist party because of things like western propaganda and the extreme tactics communist sometimes use to fight back against it. They are basically people who believe communism is valid.

Is this true? In a sense sort of. It is true that these same western countries which post a photo in their media of one brave man standing in front of a tank also probably murdered a few thousand people that year to secure some mineral rights. Although it's hard to see that when you just see a communist state putting down a protest. I don't really have a position on it. I can sort of see both sides of the argument. Considering that the communists were oppressing free speech and trying to implement censorship, I tend to side with the revolution on this one. I am a Democrat. Not the political party, but the ideology. I believe that people should have power and human dignity and the human experience is more important then profits or even private property within reason.

Yet it is also true that western countries do use the idea of freedom and stuff improperly to foster right wing revolutions in communist countries to denationalize them and implement their own propaganda networks, and it is also equally true that the CCP is essentially a military back authoritarian regime that censors its people. Really what side you would ultimately take on this issue depends on your core values. Do you believe that socialism needs a chance? That workers should control their economy? You might fall in more on the side of a tankie. Do you believe the U.S capitalist system is the greatest thing in terms of freedom in human history? You might fall in with the liberals and the protestors. This was a much better argument 25 years ago before the U.S also became a censoring, antifree speech, authoritarian country. Yet every communist state as far as I can tell, became authoritarian and has much more in common with fascism than socialism. There is that too. If anyone could have made communism work, it would probably be Russia. They had the power to actually do it, yet they failed. They implemented antifree speech laws. They had political indoctrination and all of these other things which completely ruined their society and economy.

Democracy and freedom is a very intoxicating Idea, in fact a great idea, except for the fact that people are very gullible and stupid and love to blame all their problems on other people. It's really difficult to actually maintain a democracy without at the very minimum propaganda. The trump presidency is a perfect example of this. A democraticly elected authoritarian who wants to dehumanize minorities and censor free speech, while getting in under the guise of freedom and patriotism. What is more unamerican than censorship? What is more unamerican than a king? What is more unamerican than having a state and corporate backed religion? Yet so many people fail to see this. Are we really any more free than the Chinese or the Russians? Have we ever been? Is it really any different if your own father is abusing you because you won't go to church rather than your state abusing you because you want democratic political parties? Hard to say.

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Are there non-liberals who are fascist apologists? You are being quite linear in your thinking.

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in4apennyreply
lemmy.dbzer0.com

How about "shoot the fascists" rather than "arm the (insert someone else other than me)"

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Pretty much State controlled interests at this point handing out “Hero of the State” gold stars to people that toe The Party line or fit the narrative and removing people inconvenient to The State. Kimmel is too public to throw in jail for Crimes Against the State…but we’ll get there soon enough.

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Yeah, fox news likes to do some stochastic terrorism once in a while, as a treat.

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Any yet you can only get fired for criticizing how the right manipulates Charlie Kirk's death into hate speech.

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Let me guess what the political affiliation was this time, the same as it ever is?

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lemmy.world

There's this youtube channel I really like a lot who occasionally uploads incredibly well made videos, but the videos aren't why I'm mentioning it-

The name of the youtube channel is "We're in hell". That keeps running through my mind for SOME reason.

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We're In Hell is a fantastic channel with excellent, well researched content. Easily in my top 3 these days, along with PlasticPills and SomeMoreNews.

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Just checked out that channel, right up my alley. Thanks for the suggestion.

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lemmy.world

Were they brown, gay, or trans? Better question, were they influenced by the Bible?

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Textbook incitement to violence. It only hurt poor people, though, so there will be no consequences.

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Sturmabteilung taking it upon themselves to "rid society of the burden of the undesirables". Just lovely. /s

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lemmy.world

you know who's had it too good for too long? people who have no shelter!

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Sure would be awful if Kilmeade lost his job, got sued into oblivion, and became socially radioactive to the point that nobody would lend him a dime. Let him become what he hates so much for a while and if he makes it through with mind and body more or less intact, perhaps he'll do better with the rest of his life.

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Lone actor grievance fuelled violence is a massive issue. The government need to do a campaign about warning signs for it.

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They are. Their campaign is to stoke angers driving it, the warning signs are that they’ll blame the left no matter who does it.

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Why do I have an awful suspicion that future history books will need to compare Charlie Kirk to Franz Ferdinand.

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I prefer "Faux News" when I'm not extra angry and just calling it NaziTV.

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lemmy.dbzer0.com

Who we shouldn't kill then? Kill all people that have any relationship with any black, left-wing or poor person? Should only white male right-wing rich Christian people stay alive?

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It’s like those countries where a minority is openly repressed by those in charge. Like Uyghurs in China. If you’re liberal in the US, a minority, lgbtq…you’re a target. Don’t know if we’ll get to reeducation camps in the US, but it’s a non-zero possibility.

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Those while male right-wing rich Christian people employ black, left-wing, and poor people, though. Without that economic support, the lower castes wouldn't have the power to complain or fight back, so REALLY all the problems start with the white male right-wing rich Christian people.

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Nougatreply
fedia.io

FistingEnthusiast, always bringing the truth.

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What’s that supposed to mean? It’s the truth, you can’t just act the same as the people you criticize and expect not to be criticized about it.

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I don't know about you, but this is the first homeless camp mass shooting I've ever heard of, so the timing is more than a little curious no?

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There is literally zero chance that there were two separate incidents shortly after the guy saying that shit that weren't related in any way.

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donreply
lemmy.ca

you look exactly as removed as they do.

tf?

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lemmy.zip

Weird, your instance must be censoring the word. I see it here, but won't repeat the ableist slur.

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donreply
lemmy.ca

Oh, I understand now. I moved to this instance after lemm.ee shut down, and didn’t realize that this one censors. Just as well.

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lemmy.zip

If it makes any difference, I seem to recall that most comments I saw around the time that lemm.ee was shutting down said that lemmy.zip had the closest admin philosophy to lemm.ee.

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donreply
lemmy.ca

I’ll keep that in mind, thanks!

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