Spyke
lemmy.world

Frankly, I don't even think Hillary gives a shit about covering for Bill at this stage- The argument that anyone is trying to protect Bill is idiotic.

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FaceDeerreply
fedia.io

And if she did give a shit about covering for Bill in the past and did anything to meaningfully do that, then by all means, lock her up too.

This shouldn't be political. I don't care if there was a stupid slogan for that chanted by idiots, a broken clock can be right sometimes.

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Maevereply
kbin.earth

Like giving us the sitting POTUS as a candidate in the first place? Worshipping at the altar of Kissenger and Nunn? Color revos? Or any number of things during her tenure as Secretary of State?

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FaceDeerreply
fedia.io

Those are political things. Those are things she should have been voted out of power for, not locked up for.

I was thinking more along the lines of the "helping cover up pedophilia and human trafficking" thing. That's a crime worthy of prison time.

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mcvreply
lemmy.zip

She was voted out of power. And then we got Trump.

I'm no fan of Clinton, but rather a million times her than Trump. But the US clearly needs better candidates.

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FaceDeerreply
fedia.io

Certainly, she would have been a better president than Trump. But that's damning with extremely faint praise. A rotten turnip would have been a better president than Trump.

I've long tried to tell Americans that they need to spend their effort on the party primaries, that's the last chance for actual options to be considered. Once you get to the election itself the only thing left to evaluate is "which is the lesser evil?"

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mcvreply

When the campaign started in 2015, I thought Clinton vs Bush would be the worst lineup ever. I had no idea then that an even worse one was possible.

I don't know how Americans always manage to get the worst possible candidates winning their primaries.

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lemmy.ml

Those are things she should have been voted out of power for, not locked up for.

Everything is political, my friend. She should absolutely face consequences for her role in the heinous war crimes committed while she was secretary of state.

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Serinusreply
lemmy.world

We've got literal piles of active Nazis and you want to go after Hillary for doing status quo shit.

Yeah, okay. Let me add her to the list. I think I've got a spot here at #187.

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lemmy.ml

Don't worry, I want to go after the fascists. But I reject the assertion that making life worse for Americans is somehow more morally wrong than making life worse for Libyans. In fact, I will go so far as to say that if you are willing to hand wave away atrocities as "status quo shit" then it makes sense that fascism is where things end up.

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But making life worse for more groups is objectively more morally wrong than making life worse for fewer groups.

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I don't know if that was a marriage of convenience/business since the beginning, but it sure seems to have got there eventually.

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Right? The time when there might have been some kind of large amount of people wanting to cover for him was maybe...2 and half decades ago? The guy isn't in power, no one cares enough for any of that...

It's mostly the butthurt cons that were spreading black helicopter nonsense and swapping copies of the Clinton Body Count over email back in the 90s that are still obsessed with Bill (and Hillary).

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sh.itjust.works

Frankly I love this, because now we get to watch the conservatives squirm.

Is Bill Clinton a pedo for associating with Epstein? Or are they going to walk back all of their statements and say Clinton did nothing wrong writing a sex trafficker a birthday card?

All the Democrats I know are fine with locking him up if evidence against him surfaces, but boy howdy is it gonna do a number on the conservatives in my life.

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prolereply
lemmy.blahaj.zone

The hypocrisy and inconsistency is on purpose.

They. Do. Not. Care

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Which has also been objectively worse under Republicans for the last 70+ years

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Frezikreply
lemmy.blahaj.zone

The minority voices here are more important than you think. The hardcore MAGA base is not that big, and they need more mainstream conservatives to go along with it--the ones who say "I hate Trump, but Hillary/Biden/Kamala would be worse". You start cleaving away pieces of MAGA, and it will fall apart as a political movement.

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I don't know. With everything that was known about Trump from his entire history, first term, j6, and campaign 'promises', you'd think he wouldn't have been electable, much less actually win. But here we are, with a complicit congress and enabling supreme court (maybe that's the other way around), and the wholesale destruction of safety nets, regulatory bodies and systems.

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to them, trump can do no wrong, so anything he does gets excused. they'll happily tear down others for doing the same things that trump did. trump humpers don't operate on logic

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Lock him up if there's enough evidence of a crime. After going after Trump. I don't care about party or celeb status if they did such things.

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lemmy.world

Bill Clinton was an FBI informant infiltrating the cabal of shadowy pedophiles. I will literally die for Bill Clinton. See source.

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XcQ, Electric Boogaloo.

Surely someone's uploaded a Rickroll video with a thumbnail that hides what it is.

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lemmy.dbzer0.com

I don't care if the list has Karl Marx, Jesus and my dad on it.

Anyone on that list needs to be held accountable.

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jonesey71reply
lemmus.org

I hope your dad isn't on the list, he was a very gentle lover.

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lemmy.world

Lock Slick Willie up as well! Throw all these fucks in jail. Regardless of party or status.

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sh.itjust.works

What party is that? Democrats sat on these Epstein files too. They weren't important again until Biden left office.

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Are the words "if there's enough evidence of a crime" implied or deliberately omitted?

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hansoloreply
lemmy.today

Plus, the guy was way wrapped up in financing stuff, which just attracts other money-grubbing people anyway. Same with Harvey Weinstein, where they use the money and cloud of flies buzzing around them as the cover if they get caught. They use the ones that didn't know about their crimes as protection. Fully disgusting, but such is the thrall of money I suppose.

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lemmy.zip

"Thrall of money" can be rearranged to spell "holy lemon fart".

Every now and then I see a phrase and wonder about anagrams. Really paid off this time.

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Yes? I just like puzzles, and anagrams of about 9-15 letters are fun to play with. I didn't just look at the original phrase and immediately know the anagram, but I am least proud to say I found it by "hand", without computer assistance (beyond, technically, using a notes app as a workspace).

Edit: My phone let me misspell some Ps as Os, and I was missing an aopstrpohe.

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lemmy.zip

Heh, we happen to have gotten caught up in two different posts' comments back to back (from my perspective).

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sh.itjust.works

Did Clinton draw a pubescent girl for the birthday book and then sign it?

Also, were they besties?

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Jesus. What did he just show him on the computer? "Hey Jeff, c'mere you won't believe it. It's a show called cuties."

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lemmy.ca

The same release also includes confirmation of the Trump "wonderful secret" note that he claimed was a hoax, and is currently suing the WSJ for billions for reporting on.

Wonder if he'll withdraw the lawsuit, or whether the whole thing was just another "it's not a bribe, it's a settlement" scam.

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Wonder if he'll withdraw the lawsuit

Doubt it.

He will toss out as many roadblocks for as long as possible to continue to threaten the WSJ and try and delay any further releases from them or any other media.

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The new take: "Epstein was a popular rich guy, everyone knew him and wished him well! It doesn't mean they 'knew' him! Nobody knew what he and Ghislane were up to!"

But it doesn't matter. The oligarchs don't pay for their crimes. They don't even get charged. Do you want to see them pay? I hear there's a discount on pitchforks recently seeing as there's nobody to work the fields.

No oppressors ever walked away peacefully at the request of the oppressed. Just sayin'

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The new take: “Epstein was a popular rich guy, everyone knew him and wished him well! It doesn’t mean they ‘knew’ him! Nobody knew what he and Ghislane were up to!”

Not exactly "new". The recognition that guilt by association is a fallacy and a hallmark of an undeveloped, irrational mentality has been around for a while. The unsound indulgence of biases such as confirmation bias & emotional reasoning is justly criticized.

If you want to discredit your position though, and make serious inquiry look bad so people can point at you & say

See? These people are irrational! How can we take them seriously?

then this is a great way to do it.

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lemmy.world

And notice we're not frothing at the mouth falling all over each other to protect him. Throw his old ass in jail I don't care!

Life in prison is too good for pedos. They should be castrated and have their feet removed. Full stop.

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lemmy.world

Ok.

He's not president. And when he was our economy was stellar.

But put him in a cell too. I'm down with that. Because I'm not in his cult.

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Tinidrilreply
midwest.social

As president, Bill Clinton benefitted from pretty much the entirety of the Internet boom. He had nothing to do with that great economy, but he did help set the gears in motion for the 2008 mortgage crisis. He also took advantage of the great economy to dismantle or cripple most of the federal safety net programs and kneecap unions.

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Dude was elected twice in checks notes Arkansas?! Surprised he didn't club Medicare, and its recipients to death like Don Jr. wishes he could to an orphanage of defenseless baby seals.

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War criminal is also a pedophile. What a surprise.

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sh.itjust.works

Clinton met with Netanyahu in the Oval Office in February 1997. Subsequently, according to testimony Lewinsky gave to the special counsel’s office, Clinton’s secretary Bettie Currie reached out to Lewinsky to invite her to an Oval Office meeting, telling her Clinton “had something important to tell her.”

It would turn out to be their final sexual encounter, but Clinton also used the opportunity to tell her that “a foreign embassy” had tapped his phone and recorded their conversation, Lewinsky said. Clinton did not specify which embassy, though the meeting with Lewinsky came the month after his meeting with Netanyahu.

https://www.dropsitenews.com/p/did-benjamin-netanyahu-blackmail

This is the picture that Jeffrey Epstein had hanging in his house.

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drhodlreply
lemmy.world

Clinton sure looks guilty, but the person who posted this, is just trying to deflect from the orange taint that it's lips are attached to.

You can hang more than one pedo on a gibbet, there's plenty of room for Clinton alongside the obese decaying corpse of the serial molester in the WH, but these dumbass magats can only try to deflect from their master's crimes and shame.

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Gates9reply
sh.itjust.works

Not the painting, the phone tap recording. The painting is just adding insult to injury.

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good catch. i only read the last sentence. im getting tired and aughta take a break from internet for a bit.

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Clinton is a Rhodes Scholar, he just wasn’t thinking with his brain on too many occasions.

And he’s a smarmy degenerate fuck

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drhodlreply
lemmy.world

And I keep telling you, every time I see you've posted this, that Clinton is not POTUS and is not the person trying a cover up, currently. If Clinton is guilty, you can hang him right alongside the bloated, decaying corpse of Donny 2 Inches !

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Your partisanship has blinded you from the larger issue that Israel is blackmailing Democrats and Republicans alike.

Also, I don’t know you, I don’t really keep track of what strangers say to me on the internet.

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lemmy.world

Everyone on that list, without exception, needs to be prosecuted. Former POTUS, current POTUS, Mr Rogers, Keanu Reeves, The Pope, Optimus Prime, idgaf who they are, if their name appears on the client list or the flight logs, throw the fucking book at them.

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the_crotchreply
sh.itjust.works

Add Obama to the pile. I don't think he had anything to do with Epstein but I'm sick of hearing what a great president he was after he extrajudicially ordered the drone assassination of an American citizen.

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Lemminaryreply
lemmy.world

Since 2009, the United States, in the conduct of U.S. counterterrorism operations against al-Qa’ida and its associated forces outside of areas of active hostilities, has specifically targeted and killed one U.S. citizen, Anwar al-Aulaqi

al-Awlaki, a cleric born in New Mexico, incited and plotted terrorist incidents involving U.S. targets, including lending support via email to Nidal Hasan in 2009 before Hasan killed 13 and wounded more than 30 people at Fort Hood in Texas.

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2014/mar/19/kesha-rogers/four-us-citizens-killed-obama-drone-strikes-3-were/

🤔

Edit:

Legal Eagle just touched on this in their latest video, which I found interesting:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7t-_m16y25o&t=1183

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the_crotchreply
sh.itjust.works

We have a 5th amendment or we don't. Bush and Obama's excesses ratcheded up executive power and made trump possible. Now imagine trump shrugging his shoulders and saying "terrorist. very bad." as he drone strikes American citizens and thank Obama for setting the precedent.

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Lemminaryreply
lemmy.world

I agree they laid the ground work to compromise the safety of US citizens in the name of terrorism, but I don't think you can blame Trump on Bush and Obama. That seems like reaching while actively ignoring the rest of the problems that led to Trump.

Wait, didn't Trump literally shrug his shoulders and sent Obrego García to El Salvador to use him as an example and set precedent? Except that García wasn't plotting and inviting terrorist attacks on the US nor was he related to an attack that actually happened. I think that's a key distinction you can't overlook.

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I can't accept that he actually did that because he was never tried by his peers and is therefore innocent in the eyes of the law. The whole point of the 5th amendment is we're not supposed to just accept the governments pinky swear that someone is guilty. They're meant to prove it, on the record.

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It's a damn good thing Bill Clinton is no longer actively president, nor at risk of being elected again. Hence my focus on the elephant in the fucking room, so to speak.

(That said, I say hold each and every one of them accountable in front of a jury of their peers).

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The good thing about both parties hating progressives is that no one circles the wagons to protect progressives.

Anthony Weiner was immediately persona non grata when his allegations came out.

Progressive perverts get no protection because both parties want them gone, so there's no backlog.

Meanwhile, republicans and centrists alike participated in a culture of protecting reprehensible predators in order to hold on to power that might otherwise be vested in people who give a shit about the poor.

There is some credit to be given in that no one seems to be circling the wagons for clinton now, but he's already served his purpose: 8 years of triangulating with the right.

Wonder how many centrists are sitting in awkward silence and how much of the "fine, lock clinton up too" sentiment is coming from progressives.

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In all seriousness we need to just promote all the Dems wrongdoings, and push it hard. That way MAGA will be baying for blood and Trump is protecting the libs if he doesn't release the files.

This story needs to be upvoted and reposted everywhere. Because also, fuck Bill Clinton and anyone else who diddled kids. Idc who you are.

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What? No way. We should lock him up.

I might have felt better voting for Hillary if she dumped his ass when she should have.

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In a feeble voice "No, please....stop.......don't release more documents on sex pest Bill Clinton."

I think I am going go to have dinner.

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From report on birthday book tributes, compare ::: spoiler tributes to lechery

One friend compared him to the main character in Ernest Hemingway’s “The Old Man and the Sea,” except instead of fish, Jeffrey Epstein caught women, “blonde, red or brunette.”

“So many girls, so little time,” wrote a third associate of Mr. Epstein.

the book contained everything from a handwritten letter from Mr. Epstein’s mother, to photos of scantily clad young women, to a cartoon drawing of Mr. Epstein lying in a beach chair getting what appears to be a nude massage from four topless women.

Most notably, the book contains the now well-publicized poem to Mr. Epstein that bears Donald J. Trump’s name.

Elsewhere there is an oversized check that purports to be Mr. Epstein jokingly selling a “fully depreciated” woman to Mr. Trump for $22,500.

The venture capitalist William Elkus described how Mr. Epstein managed to conjure a beautiful woman out of thin air during a visit to a farm town in Iowa

Another person, named Leslie wrote, “I wanted to get you what you want,” so “here it is.” The brief, scrawled note is accompanied by a drawing of breasts. And another contributor, who said he “agonized long and hard about what to write,” added photos of zebras and lions having sex, adding that the images “seemed more appropriate than anything I could put in words.”

In one letter, a person who signed only “Nick,” recounted an evening in London that left Mr. Epstein “howling with laughter.” That night, the contributor said, an “old man smiling sweetly” pulled down a woman’s panties and put his hand on her privates, only to find another man’s hand already there. Another letter alludes to when Mr. Epstein, in the mid-1970s, first “discovered the Maxwell teen-age daughter.”

Another poem ends noting that somehow at age 50, Mr. Epstein “has avoided the penitentiary.” ::: and One submission attributed to former President Bill Clinton focused on what he described as Mr. Epstein’s “childlike curiosity” and his “drive to make a difference.”

Right, positive evidence of crime!

Anyone else annoyed these stories don't link to the book?

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Fuckin' great, lock his old ass up too.

Throwback, also, to the Lemmy fake-leftist who was pretending that back in the 1990s him and all his activist friends were super excited for Bill Clinton and all his leftist politics, and lecturing me about how far the Democratic Party has fallen since then. Fuckin' what lol. I was around for it, literally 0 of us were as excited about Bill Clinton and his balanced budget as this guy was pretending that him and all the left were back then.

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go wayyyyy back, Ghislaine Maxwell inherited her clients from her father. Rich and powerful sex clubs have always been a thing.

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Do they think if Democrats are on the list they will stop asking for it the left are not like maga they won't stop just because someone who is a Democrats and I'm sure unlike maga the left doesn't care about political parties that much

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Tinidrilreply
midwest.social

Don't equate Democrats with the left. The Democrats also sat on those files for the entire Biden presidency. The whole reason Epstein didn't sink Trump way back in 2016 is that Democrats were protecting Bill Clinton and almost certainly other powerful figures in the Democrat establishment. Blue MAGA isn't that different from red.

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While yes that right I just said Democrats as left as they are the closest America gets to the left which says bigger problems about America but it's what it is

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Why are people not understanding… this is the game, this is America… it’s not about the left or right… this is America.

Stop pretending law or protests will change anything… citizens can’t even change this with guns… we gave them this power to own reality and bought into their manipulation. We handed them this at will.

Shit half the people complaining about this called people and victims of the system mentally ill for years.

Get right. Live for humanity over everything.

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This was reported by the WSJ a month ago.

I guess we have the image now so we can verify WSJ's reporting that Clinton's handwriting is impossible to make out in parts?

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