The act gives the president power to use "all means necessary and appropriate to bring about the release of any U.S. or allied personnel being detained or imprisoned by, on behalf of, or at the request of the International Criminal Court".
I don't know what kind of rock you've been living under the past decade but it seems to have the density of nuclear pasta. This is not surprising at all. It's certainly fucked up and depressing, but fully expected.
You could say that about any law, not just "international".
Look at how laws are applied in your country and you'll probably find them disproportionately applied against the poor over the rich.
We can't just set and forget laws. If you want them enforced justly, you need to be active in your political environment and elect people who will do that.
If you want international law applied to the US, you need to elect politicians who would be willing to push for sanctions against them until they comply.
Or if you're American, vote for politicians who actually respect the international community.
That's a really naive take TBH, bourgeois "democracies" are designed in such a way that whatever you do, in virtually all cases you can only elect representatives of capital...
Electoralism and reformism are impotent at handling systemic problems and injustises
If that's how you feel, then all laws mean pretty much nothing. The only reason any of it matters, is if we all agree to abide by them. Technically, anyone can commit any crime, at any time. The rest of us need to hold those people accountable, or as you said...none of it matters.
Laws aren't a matter of public consensus (although public consensus is one way of determining what should be illegal). They're meaningful if men with guns show up and use force against someone who breaks them.
So now killing people that poison americans is OK? So all the CEO' of major companies that pollute are legitimate targets? Is that what vance is saying?
Yeah, pretty crazy precedent if you applied it to America. So all oil companies employees are fair game along with chemical employees and the majority of people in the food/alcohol/tobacco industry. Now that I think about, it is justification to eliminate about a third of the US population.
I'm pretty sure if someone gave Vance a gun, he would start shooting the cleaning staff at the WH. He sounds like a coked out lunatic who hears voices making fun of him.
This is why I'm not convinced when people say maga won't fall in line behind this guy. They want blood, they don't care how it's spilled. They're foaming at the mouth rabid for it, and Vance promises to deliver.
The US has always been this parasitic, lawless, warmongering shithole of a country. Bush did it, Obama did it, Biden did it, Trump did it. Every single president before them did it. As someone who despises the US hegemony, I'm glad this administration is showing the world what the US has always been. This will just make it easier for us across the globe to discredit the US lackeys in our individual countries.
You've made the mistake of thinking that this is about killing members of a drug cartel instead of killing people they decide to accuse of being members of a drug cartel
Whether those people on the boat were members of a cartel or not is not the point, it already is piracy and a war crime.
My point is that the stated ultimate goal is to fight drug cartels, and that would hit certain circles the hardest. Especially with cocaine, which is a drug predominantly used in richer circles.
Given the tactics cartels use to defend their turf and keep others in line, they're one group of people I don't really have an issue with being executed.
They're worse than a lot of terrorist organisations.
You can't just eschew justice because cartels - but we both know they won't come quietly.
You do the trial in absentia, then send a team to go 'pick him up' if he really does come quietly, he'll go to prison, but we all know that's not how it'll go down.
You could make a very strong argument that the cartel is something for the country itself to deal with, or rely on help through organisations like INTERPOL and not just have the US decide it's murder time for a random civillian they have no evidence on.
Except that they have in the past. Coast guard shows up in a big ass boat with guns, they don't fight back. If drugs are found, they are confiscated, people are interrogated, leads to the organizational structure are worked on, etc. This was just murder. There is a strong reason for due process.
i think you mean military instead of militant, any violent group is militant.
So being militant is still a civilian thing and using the military against civilians is a war crime.
Also using the military within your own borders is a crime.
So no it's not a "very strong argument" it's not an argument at all
If Americans were even prosecuted for war crimes that couchfucker would be scared.
Americans are never prosecuted for the war crimes they commit
I never broke the law. I AM THE LAW!
Hague Invasion Act
In short, "If you try to prosecute our war criminals, we will invade The Netherlands."
Calm down, Hitler.
No, I mean, really!
That includes Israel. Try them for war crimes and Trump declares war on the Dutch.
If anyone wants to find the source https://nitter.net/JDVance/status/1964341436096057502#m
That's real? Holy fuck what sort of clownworld are we actually in?
The worst kind.
The kind that elected these weapons
Yeah you say so but I'm very much not so sure about that.
I don't know what kind of rock you've been living under the past decade but it seems to have the density of nuclear pasta. This is not surprising at all. It's certainly fucked up and depressing, but fully expected.
You sir, are no nuclear pasta
Yeah, matches the MAGAts.
The one where Americans refuse to wake the fuck up and realize this isn’t Bush-era “GOP misbehavior”
The world that Humanity made for themselves has always been like this.
Jesus, look at all those people sucking him off in those replies. We are so screwed...
Half of them must be bots.
Your daily reminder that as a matter of fact, international law means pretty much nothing. It's funny to me that people still keep bringing it up.
It never meant anything to the USA and other imperialists, it is regularly used to justify action against those outside the "international community"
The thing about justifications is that you can just make them up. There's no international law against hypocrisy.
International law only springs into existence when it's convenient for the "international community"
You could say that about any law, not just "international".
Look at how laws are applied in your country and you'll probably find them disproportionately applied against the poor over the rich.
We can't just set and forget laws. If you want them enforced justly, you need to be active in your political environment and elect people who will do that.
If you want international law applied to the US, you need to elect politicians who would be willing to push for sanctions against them until they comply.
Or if you're American, vote for politicians who actually respect the international community.
That's a really naive take TBH, bourgeois "democracies" are designed in such a way that whatever you do, in virtually all cases you can only elect representatives of capital...
Electoralism and reformism are impotent at handling systemic problems and injustises
I'm not denying the game is rigged, but what's your suggestion?
Skip to violence out of laziness or simply comply in advance?
Only tangibly related but
All laws are made up, no matter how much your try force authoritarian rule people will always have the the inherent freedom to oppose.
The sooner we realize the natural anarchy of individuals the sooner we can replace build in forced compliance with build in aligned mutual interests.
People who have no interest in “committing wrong” usually don't commit too many wrongs.
If that's how you feel, then all laws mean pretty much nothing. The only reason any of it matters, is if we all agree to abide by them. Technically, anyone can commit any crime, at any time. The rest of us need to hold those people accountable, or as you said...none of it matters.
Laws aren't a matter of public consensus (although public consensus is one way of determining what should be illegal). They're meaningful if men with guns show up and use force against someone who breaks them.
They're only meaningful if the rest of us allow that to happen.
I mean, if someone ever detains a us service member on behalf of the ICC, the US will literally invade the Netherlands
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Service-Members%27_Protection_Act
Invading somebody else's nether lands is certainly on brand for the prick, I'm sure he wouldn't mind having an excuse.
"Sieg heil!"
"Saying that makes you a nazi."
"I don't give a shit what you call it."
"sieg geil!"
"You sound like a nazi when you say that."
"Well thank you"
Hehe geil
It's alright. He won't be but a small blemish on the blotted history of the US
I dunno, he's one of the more mocked figures in US politics. History will hopefully remember him well for couch debauchery
Strong JibJab vibes with this one. Oh, the nostalgia right before shit hit the fan with Dubya.
Bush was pretty bad too, huh. I don't remember the dismantling of democracy, but he certainly laid the groundwork.
"You can't say nuclear, that really scares me."
Unless.. well... unless they start ww3 👉👈
Don't look at us, we won't start the third one. we kinda learned from the first two. And to not trust the Austrians regarding that matter.
US and learning... Sure sure
Germany, I'm from Germany.
The original post was talking about us Americans starting WW3. Which wouldn't surprise me at all.
Relevant YouTube Short?
If you are patient enough, you could really win this time!
Na, we good.
Are you sure he's not the successor to the throne after daddy is dead? It seems like many people would want him.
So now killing people that poison americans is OK? So all the CEO' of major companies that pollute are legitimate targets? Is that what vance is saying?
I don’t know about you, but to me it sounds like a valid legal argument that Luigi Mangione’s lawyers could potentially use?
Yeah, pretty crazy precedent if you applied it to America. So all oil companies employees are fair game along with chemical employees and the majority of people in the food/alcohol/tobacco industry. Now that I think about, it is justification to eliminate about a third of the US population.
The problem they're faced with is a drug epidemic and the solution they come up with is mass murder.
Obviously very sane and rational.
I'm pretty sure if someone gave Vance a gun, he would start shooting the cleaning staff at the WH. He sounds like a coked out lunatic who hears voices making fun of him.
This is why I'm not convinced when people say maga won't fall in line behind this guy. They want blood, they don't care how it's spilled. They're foaming at the mouth rabid for it, and Vance promises to deliver.
The US has always been this parasitic, lawless, warmongering shithole of a country. Bush did it, Obama did it, Biden did it, Trump did it. Every single president before them did it. As someone who despises the US hegemony, I'm glad this administration is showing the world what the US has always been. This will just make it easier for us across the globe to discredit the US lackeys in our individual countries.
That's a good description of USA politics right now
Pretty much for the last 50 years
Laughts on them. If the flow of cocaine would stop, politics and the rich would be hit the hardest.
You've made the mistake of thinking that this is about killing members of a drug cartel instead of killing people they decide to accuse of being members of a drug cartel
Whether those people on the boat were members of a cartel or not is not the point, it already is piracy and a war crime.
My point is that the stated ultimate goal is to fight drug cartels, and that would hit certain circles the hardest. Especially with cocaine, which is a drug predominantly used in richer circles.
I'm sure this kind of rhetoric will turn out to be super great for Americans abroad.
It's like putting bullseye sheets on every back of them.
James Donald Bowman is a sad sack of shit and the literal incarnation of his douchebag father.
He tries to escape his given name, but I won't let him, I'll deadname him until he (or myself) is dead.
So according to couchfucker, war crimes are the best use of the military.
Not just him but kegsbreath too.
They also do not care about war crimes in Gaza. Sick psychopaths.
He's just another version of trump.
A child trying to imitate trump maybe
Did they kill the Sackler family?
Not brown or poor-looking enough, sadly.
Saved. In case he denies later he ever said that.
If you replace JD Vance with Hitler, replace jd Vance's profile with Hitler, they're indistinguishable from each other
The orange bloated bloviator is bad enough but to have that dark little strange monster hovering in the background seems somehow worse.
Don’t insult crazy people by comparing them to Vance!
You could make a very strong argument that a cartel member is a member of a militant group, they certainly use many of the same tactics
Prove it in court and put them in jail then.
You think you're capturing these guys alive?
The coast guard does it on a daily basis.
Edit: Not the coastguard, but here's an example from yesterday of them doing just that.
Facts are too hard for them, try a picture book.
No, but it's still the correct way to do it.
Given the tactics cartels use to defend their turf and keep others in line, they're one group of people I don't really have an issue with being executed.
They're worse than a lot of terrorist organisations.
Cool you can serve the arrest warrant then
I think you're missing the point there.
You can't just eschew justice because cartels - but we both know they won't come quietly.
You do the trial in absentia, then send a team to go 'pick him up' if he really does come quietly, he'll go to prison, but we all know that's not how it'll go down.
You could make a very strong argument that the cartel is something for the country itself to deal with, or rely on help through organisations like INTERPOL and not just have the US decide it's murder time for a random civillian they have no evidence on.
If you have a proper judicial process, some mistakes are caught. On the other hand, extra judicial killings have no recourse for mistakes.
Even the best processes and well intentioned humans make mistakes. Extra judicial process is a recipe for humanitarian disaster.
Unknown number of innocent people will be murdered in cold blood without remorse if such a policy is adopted.
I respect the sentiment, but there's no way in hell these guys would surrender to law enforcement.
Except that they have in the past. Coast guard shows up in a big ass boat with guns, they don't fight back. If drugs are found, they are confiscated, people are interrogated, leads to the organizational structure are worked on, etc. This was just murder. There is a strong reason for due process.
I agree, that's why MAGA and the KKK should be executed in the stree- wait, is that not who we're talking about? Oops, my bad.
I also support executing the Klan, yes.
And MAGA? Terrorists who attempted a coup and murder citizens are just as bad as the cartels, right?
i think you mean military instead of militant, any violent group is militant. So being militant is still a civilian thing and using the military against civilians is a war crime. Also using the military within your own borders is a crime. So no it's not a "very strong argument" it's not an argument at all
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Militant https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_humanitarian_law
Fine, terrorist organisation then. They're certainly not above killing civilians themselves.
That would make them bad guys. Doing the same thing makes the US bad guys too
We should sanction whoever is providing them guns.