In economics, a network effect (also called network externality or demand-side economies of scale) is the phenomenon by which the value or utility a user derives from a good or service depends on the number of users of compatible products. Network effects are typically positive feedback systems, resulting in users deriving more and more value from a product as more users join the same network.
The value of Twitter and Substack isn't the HTML or the CSS, it's the social circle behind it. That's why Facebook, founded as a Harvard social media site, outpaced Friendster and MySpace. That's why half your current crop of comedians and media pundits came out of the Ivy League. That's why The Federalist Society exists.
Like, by all means, make a new BlueSky or Mastodon or Lemmy whatever. Thank you. But "What if we had a new Facebook, for annoying marketing dweebs?" it's how we got LinkedIn. And a thousand other knock offs of LinkedIn.
I have as much power as the Pope, I just don't have as many people who believe it
George Carlin
Power, popularity and authority is always based on how many people you can convince to follow your movement. If you have enough people who believe it, I can become Master of the Universe!
The other day I saw someone posting about wanting to bring webrings back.
Unfortunately, it's really hard to get people to care about things. "This site is convenient and your friends are here" trumps "and it's run by nazi sympathizers" for most people, somehow.
Facebook grew because it was able to make migrating away from Myspace easy. Facebook supplied a tool called SpaceLift that logged into MySpace on your behalf and moved messages back and forth for you. It meant that you didn't have to leave Myspace behind when you started using Facebook.
If you tried that today, Facebook would send their legion of lawyers to crush you using section 1201.
I would love a social media app focused more on normal people networking and building communities. It's a shame something so potentially useful like that has been twisted to divide and isolate us.
Although a feature of discourse on the Chinese economy and urbanization in China in the 2010s, many developments that were initially criticized as "ghost cities" in China have since become occupied and are now functioning cities.
Some cities are literally just built into the empty space, then wait until people move in. It has worked multiple times in China. Some cities literally went from zero to a million inhabitants in under 20 years.
I actually remember this one. Weren't western articles shitting on China endlessly for this? Calling it "ghost cities" and making up conspiracy theories and all.
You still get lemmitors who think China just has empty cities made of tofu, trains that nobody uses, giant concentration camps full of people whos only crime was desiring freedom, and that china will collapse any day now.
I remember The Blues Brothers and "I hate Illinois nazis" and John Belushi and Dan Akroyd running the fucking nazis into the fucking river. The sad thing is, that shit was universally funny back then - there weren't people in the theater saying "hey wait a minute, that's not respecting their free speech rights" or worse, "hey, what's so bad about Illinois nazis?" Just straight up "of course they drove the nazis into the fucking river".
You'd think that with QR codes every-fucking-where these days, that we could easily swing back to everyone having their own website. Back in the bad old days, it was hell on wheels to share URLs with folks. Now? There's nothing stopping us.
We have always lived in slums and holes in the wall. We will have to accommodate ourselves for a time. For, you must not forget, that we can also build. It is we who built these palaces and cities, here in Spain and in America and everywhere. We, the workers. We can build others to take their place. And better ones. We are not in the least afraid of ruins. We are going to inherit the earth. There is not the slightest doubt about that. The bourgeoisie might blast and ruin its own world before it leaves the stage of history. We carry a new world here, in our hearts. That world is growing in this minute.
My first dummy intranet site for grade school used it, but it was a new technology at the time. I remember having a site on geocities a couple years earlier that was all wysiwyg and only used text. Back then, email was cool.
I never understood why seemingly everyone uses WP. 'I need a personal, but professional, web presence' 'use this blogging platform', 'I need an e-commerce site' 'use this blogging platform' like what.
Maybe I'm old and WP now does everything and the kitchen sink, but I was there when it started and made no sense.
Now it has the kitchen sink AND vulnerabilities… and an asshole CEO.
As someone who managed it for a while, WP as a platform isn’t horrendous, but there are definitely better alternatives depending on what you need to accomplish.
Seriously, just type in some HTML. It's barely more complicated than the Markdown you're already using for Lemmy, as long as you aren't trying to get fancy with it.
The bit that infuriates me is how Facebook (and others) also do this, and claims that they're too big to police everything. Like, you might not be able to check every single thing that gets posted, but it's definitely not beyond your powers to check everything that your platform actively promotes at people who didn't request it.
I think it’s not as do-it-yourself as wordpress. Basically all the hosting and templates are premade and easy to activate. Though it can be customized I don’t think it has the plug-in ecosystem like WP.
Like WordPress.com (i.e., without the self-hosted option that is WordPress.org), if there was also waaay less ability to customise your blog's theme. It's designed to look and feel much more like a single blog that has many contributors. Maybe think Twitter or Facebook, but using blog posts instead of Tweets and photos as the main medium.
It's also famous for the fact that its owners refuse to ban literal Nazis.
In economics, a network effect (also called network externality or demand-side economies of scale) is the phenomenon by which the value or utility a user derives from a good or service depends on the number of users of compatible products. Network effects are typically positive feedback systems, resulting in users deriving more and more value from a product as more users join the same network.
The value of Twitter and Substack isn't the HTML or the CSS, it's the social circle behind it. That's why Facebook, founded as a Harvard social media site, outpaced Friendster and MySpace. That's why half your current crop of comedians and media pundits came out of the Ivy League. That's why The Federalist Society exists.
Like, by all means, make a new BlueSky or Mastodon or Lemmy whatever. Thank you. But "What if we had a new Facebook, for annoying marketing dweebs?" it's how we got LinkedIn. And a thousand other knock offs of LinkedIn.
So, keep that in mind.
I have as much power as the Pope, I just don't have as many people who believe it
Power, popularity and authority is always based on how many people you can convince to follow your movement. If you have enough people who believe it, I can become Master of the Universe!
Power lies where men believe it lies
— George Martin
--Solomon Linda
Never ceases to move me.
and women
Women lies where men believe they lie
no not like that
Power lies where men believe women lie?
The other day I saw someone posting about wanting to bring webrings back.
Unfortunately, it's really hard to get people to care about things. "This site is convenient and your friends are here" trumps "and it's run by nazi sympathizers" for most people, somehow.
Until the Nazism starts leaking through.
Like, I don't really feel the urge to bring up the horrifying treatment of Latin American peoples every time I see someone drinking a Coca-Cola.
But when Twitter is filling up my feed with CatTurds, I'm inclined to leave.
I remember webrings. We stopped using them for a reason. It's not a solution for diving into specific details of a topic.
Neither is the AI slop that Google is putting at the top of the page, but for different reasons.
Webrings were the youtube recommendations by people who actually knew, not deep diving. Wikipedia is the diving board for deep diving.
Add to that section 1201.
Facebook grew because it was able to make migrating away from Myspace easy. Facebook supplied a tool called SpaceLift that logged into MySpace on your behalf and moved messages back and forth for you. It meant that you didn't have to leave Myspace behind when you started using Facebook.
If you tried that today, Facebook would send their legion of lawyers to crush you using section 1201.
I would love a social media app focused more on normal people networking and building communities. It's a shame something so potentially useful like that has been twisted to divide and isolate us.
Social networking sites were a great idea. Social media sites were where it all went wrong.
I came here to day this, but you were more eloquent than I could ever be
We built this geocity
We built this Geocity on rock and code!
Rock and code, to the node!
(Under construction)
(flaming line separator)
Diggingconstructionworker.gif.jpg
We built this city on coooock aaaand trooooolls.
Cities start from villages.
That's what we've got here now.
Not all cities start from villages: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Underoccupied_developments_in_China
Some cities are literally just built into the empty space, then wait until people move in. It has worked multiple times in China. Some cities literally went from zero to a million inhabitants in under 20 years.
Every village needs its WellAckshuallyer
I actually remember this one. Weren't western articles shitting on China endlessly for this? Calling it "ghost cities" and making up conspiracy theories and all.
You still get lemmitors who think China just has empty cities made of tofu, trains that nobody uses, giant concentration camps full of people whos only crime was desiring freedom, and that china will collapse any day now.
can I be the feces smearing barrel sleeper
Only if you eat your vegetables
I miss the old days of people making niche websites for their hobbies, their own blogs, and message boards.
So many people think of the Internet as Google, Meta, Netflix, or . That makes me sad.
I don't see a way back to a less commercialized internet, but little pockets of goodness like Lemmy make me happy.
The thing that I've repeated more than anything else the past 5-10 years:
I miss websites.
[Edit] ok second most. I think I've said "RELEASE THE LIST" at least twice as much.
I miss things spreading by word-of-mouth, not The Algorithm.™
I miss people making things for fun, not for the exit strategy.
I miss misinformation being called out and bullied mercilessly, not rewarded for Engagement.™
I miss Nazi being hyperbole, not an alternative viewpoint we're supposed to acknowledge as valid.
I remember The Blues Brothers and "I hate Illinois nazis" and John Belushi and Dan Akroyd running the fucking nazis into the fucking river. The sad thing is, that shit was universally funny back then - there weren't people in the theater saying "hey wait a minute, that's not respecting their free speech rights" or worse, "hey, what's so bad about Illinois nazis?" Just straight up "of course they drove the nazis into the fucking river".
I miss stumbleupon. I found so much cool stuff and web comics I'm still reading 20 years later.
You'd think that with QR codes every-fucking-where these days, that we could easily swing back to everyone having their own website. Back in the bad old days, it was hell on wheels to share URLs with folks. Now? There's nothing stopping us.
Just gonna drop this here https://neocities.org/
https://homestarrunner.com/toons/backtoawebsite
Homestar and Strongbad really get me. Now sign my guestbook!
Bring back Geocities!
Come and join my webring on Neocities.
Sign the guest book.
Scream at my aggressive CSS.
LOL!!! What's the address?
Burn it! Burn it with Angelfire!
First name choice was "The internet"
Second name choice was "The pornography machine"
They have forgotten our provenance and purpose. There is no pornography sullying out social media. There is social media sullying our pornography.
It's good more people are realizing, buts substack's owners have been openly pro-facist for at least a year
Loads of early tech leaders who were all free-love back in the day became strangely capitalist once they realised how ludicrously rich they could get.
san francisco in a nutshell
we-built-this-city
we-built-this-city.htm
I can still hear the s falling.
Those were the dark days, at the beginning of CSS, when we fought for scraps of anything that smelt like standardisation.
e: autocorrect
The land wasn't barren though.
It was inhabited by GOPHERs and TELNETs and FTPs and BBSes.
And MUDs and MOOs
Is he talking about metaphorical cities, or Geocities?
Built the city from pure HTML so must be talking about domains as empty lands
on HTML and CSS*
... doesn't really have the same ring to it
When I first learned HTML there was no such thing as CSS. Everything was tables and
BGCOLORPfft tables, the pro move is to add more
until everything is aligned<td onClick=“alert(‘Hello, World!’);”>Click me!</td>My first dummy intranet site for grade school used it, but it was a new technology at the time. I remember having a site on geocities a couple years earlier that was all wysiwyg and only used text. Back then, email was cool.
Internet nostalgia.
Jesus or just use Wordpress. Takes like an hour to set up.
I never understood why seemingly everyone uses WP. 'I need a personal, but professional, web presence' 'use this blogging platform', 'I need an e-commerce site' 'use this blogging platform' like what.
Maybe I'm old and WP now does everything and the kitchen sink, but I was there when it started and made no sense.
Now it has the kitchen sink AND vulnerabilities… and an asshole CEO.
As someone who managed it for a while, WP as a platform isn’t horrendous, but there are definitely better alternatives depending on what you need to accomplish.
Sadly it’s still a defacto standard.
What's a good alternative nowadays for someone who isn't super tech savvy and just wants to set up a basic WYSIWYG website?
www.motherfuckingwebsite.com
Seriously, just type in some HTML. It's barely more complicated than the Markdown you're already using for Lemmy, as long as you aren't trying to get fancy with it.
I like weebly and squarespace.
Thanks!
It’s true. They got through some gnarly WYSIWYG problems and, yes, due to plugins they basically do have the kitchen sink available.
There’s some good comparative alternatives as well, but I don’t know much about them yet.
It's not really a blogging platform, it's a content management system.
Thanks, but no thanks, sir. I'll code my website myself.
Not static enough!
Oh no did substack do a bad thing?
Continued doing bad things, more like. They seem to like supporting nazis from what I can tell.
Some users were recently sent push notifications to highlight a neo-nazi substack that showed a swastika icon
The bit that infuriates me is how Facebook (and others) also do this, and claims that they're too big to police everything. Like, you might not be able to check every single thing that gets posted, but it's definitely not beyond your powers to check everything that your platform actively promotes at people who didn't request it.
Dark web social media here we come
It is all evolution in progress at every scale. Some people are already extinct but haven't gotten the memo. To live is to change.
"Nostalgia is a fallacy." And so is "new = better". Just look at Windows.
the post above me, for example.
Like Nepalese construction workers. They could have the most impressive cities but they don't.
Cities are built by markets, not people.
Infrastructure is the issue. Got to be able to get to the new city.
What is substack? I only heard of it everytime they got involved with nazis
A blog publishing site.
Like WordPress?
I think it’s not as do-it-yourself as wordpress. Basically all the hosting and templates are premade and easy to activate. Though it can be customized I don’t think it has the plug-in ecosystem like WP.
Like WordPress.com (i.e., without the self-hosted option that is WordPress.org), if there was also waaay less ability to customise your blog's theme. It's designed to look and feel much more like a single blog that has many contributors. Maybe think Twitter or Facebook, but using blog posts instead of Tweets and photos as the main medium.
It's also famous for the fact that its owners refuse to ban literal Nazis.