Trump faces a revolt from his MAGA base over the Epstein files
Blames Hillary, Obama and Biden for the Epstein Files, which also don't exist.
I love that he's getting torched by his own.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/trump-administration/trump-faces-revolt-maga-base-epstein-files-rcna218385Open linkView original on lemmy.world773
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I'll believe that when I see it. Till then, all MAGAt morons are pro- pedofilia and they'll fall back into line once Faux News Entertainment tells them to.
It's amazing how they are pro-pedophilia (due to their continued support and blindness towards all the real pedophiles around them) but screech about looking for pedophiles everywhere, or at least they were a few years ago! How can anyone trust these people when they support the thing they purport to loathe. When will this all blow up?
Add in the criminality of Trump and Co, and these guys are looking in all the wrong places!
It's the party of projection. Everything they talk about is solely because that's what they are doing/would do if given the opportunity.
Republicans have repeatedly tried to stop child marriage and mandatory reporting laws for decades now. It seems obvious at this point that the GOP is perfectly fine with kids getting raped as long as its one of their own doing the raping.
Republican Mike Moon
And John Rose met his wife judging a 4H contest.
(Fun fact: you can’t file for divorce as a minor)
Also as a mandatory reporter in the state of Oklahoma… hahhahahahahahah. I just wrote an affidavit about how seriously CPS takes shit.
They think lack of divorce means successful marriage.
It’s the art of war 101, accuse your enemy of what your you yourself are already doing. In this case, it’s the rape of children, the president is a rapist, president rapist JFC
A trump supporter I know, always brings up politics, which I avoid when talking to them.
The past month or so, they have not brought it up at all. So, I think I’m starting to see it.
Oh I finally called my sister out for voting for him once my dad admitted he did and she went all in on the "well he didn't even need to win our state so my vote didn't matter." I said bitch you flew the flag which influenced others and bought his shit so it financed him, what you did mattered! So yeah I think she is feeling guilty so I made sure to make it worse.
It takes courage to do what you're doing and you have my support. All the very best to you.
Yeah, I also doubt that. No one cares on the MAGA side
I honestly believe that they could release the files with his name still in them & the majority of his cult would still make excuses for him.
Unhinged Holy shit. This is the energy that teen girls channel during a break up
These dumbasses believe the lie of Trump so much that they’re shocked when he does exactly what the rest of us expected.
Do they not realize Epstein was killed when Trump was president the first time?
I believe you know the answer to that already.
I saw one where someone said something like "You're making yourself look like what the crazy left says about you!"
Yeah, and that's where the thought terminates. Never, "huh, I wonder if that means they're not crazy."
The reporter obviously doesn't know how maga cultists functions. There is no revolt against Trump, they are just waiting for the official Trump propaganda excuse, and in the meanwhile are left to their own moronic devices.
Yep. This too shall blow over, leaving at most a "shrug, I didn't like how he handled the whole Epstein situation but I voted for him for a third term because he's the only one who can save the country and make America great again"
How many people do you think are actually maga? There is some overlap of beliefs between the r’s and the extremists, and I think the r’s are starting to recognize that their party has been hijacked.
Anecdotally, I’ve seen at least two that are very upset about this and the spending bill
But likely not upset enough to vote for anything other than the straight Republican ticket.
They get confused, he provides direction, they happy again
Imagine being so stupid as to think the RAPIST was going to do something about sex trafficking pedos?
🤣 🤣
well, he's certainly an expert on the topic
Nobody rapes better than Trump! Nobody!
Narrator: No he doesn’t.
I'm not feeling it either
It'll be a thing for a few days (this might last a week or two) and then it'll be over
Yeah there have been many times already where it's been "they have to get that he's scamming them now, right?"
But they always go back and say "please sir, can we have some more?"
They're already trying to work out that it's all Pam Bondi's fault. Trump is just getting bad advice, etc.
Came here to say this. Little else matters in this thread.
"If there was something in them, the Democrats would have released them, but even though there's nothing in them, I won't release them."
So it does exist.
We been eaten good this summer fam.
Couldn't agree more. The things I see online are completely different from what I see in real life.
In real life, the vast majority of people aren't paying attention to any of this drama at all. They have no idea what's going on. (And if they do, they surely aren't talking about it.) The Republican party is going to be fine, thanks to apathy.
Yeah, and this is especially so in the important voting bloc of white middle class people --the ones who probably own their home (with mortgage obviously) and are still making ends meet. The good ones are horrified to see what's going on in the world, and the troubled ones may still think they are temporarily embarrassed millionaires with the whole master race thing going for them, but other than inflation their day to day life has not changed.
I'm a white dude living in the swing state of Pennsyltucky, in a very white republican suburb a good distance from the city. My town is growing and some good companies have large offices here (access to infrastructure plus the tax benefit of being in the next county over), so it's attracted residents from just about every ethnic background. But to get an accurate mental image, you have to sprinkle that diverse mix over a base layer of 80% white people, lol.
Just mentally going through our family, close friends, social acquaintances, and various local parents we run into (I have a kid in elementary school, and we're active in the school district), it is almost all white families living in single-family homes or sometimes townhouses. Many are two-income families, some are one-income families (working professionals in a reasonable COL area, not exactly CEOs). I know everybody has their own problems including the ones they don't share with me, but for most of these people life just looks normal. If you followed me around all day and could not see the awful news on the screen when I sat down at my PC, you would be hard pressed to tell which decade we are in. You would need a clue like peeking at my phone model or seeing an old covid mask on a shelf.
There ARE exceptions. People who are not white have absolutely been fucked with by ICE. Thank goodness the best Mexican restaurant in town got raided so that my fellow whites aren't tempted by amazing food from non-white sources. And I do know of one white family where both parents are civilians that work for the government. Both remotely, before Trump 2. They are amazing people raising three great kids (the kindest people we know are usually single child) and they got all kinds of unnecessary stress and fuckery in their real lives thanks to all the chaos and ill considered return-to-office mandates.
No he doesn't.
He's kinda up against the foundational myth of Q-Anon here, so there's a chunk of true believers who are extremely vocal about this.
But the vast majority of the people that voted for him are conservative hypocrites to whom this was never more than another narrative, strategically leveraged to claim moral superiority and attack the enemy, in order to distract from their crimes and abuses.
It's like when Cromwell had to destroy the levellers.
I’m shocked they have lasted more than 2 days. Usually they have eaten and digested the absolute shit that trump talks and are on their knees begging for more by now, usually so they can own the libs. This is the first glimmer of integrity I’ve seen from them. Very weird.
I'm not hoping much, but if at least a small percentage of them get swayed, it might be enough to lose him the next election. (I'm automatically assuming he will keep running for a third term. These people don't stop unless they are stopped.)
These are people who will always vote Republican. None of this matters to them.
I know because they're my fucking parents.
Same, same. Whatever you do, you always end up at "the Jews run the world because look at what THEY did to us in the PLANdemic".
I tried to engage with a devout trumper about his. They REFUSED to admit that trump was in any way involved with Epstein, despite photographic & video evidence. They ALWAYS furnished some excuse or deflection. Mostly involving Biden “sniffing little girls hair.”
Seriously. These people are deranged. There’s no breaking them from the cult.
I really don't want to know what qualifies as "Epstein memorabilia".
That’s because they only have one brain cell up there and it’s telling them to keep breathing! They have nothing else up there but cobwebs and space!
To be fair, just being in a picture with someone doesn't make you "involved" at any level. At best, it's circumstantial evidence of nothing much.
Speaking of evidence
https://youtu.be/hh0PBr6ZUN0
Still gonna put that in quotes next time, or is your cult forbidden from that?
See, it's just a video, doesn't mean anything, right?
Hey numbnuts, nice job giving us a textbook example of deflection. Not that we needed one
shrug. You're the ones lobbing the accusations of cult-like behavior while behaving exactly the same way.
Here we find the conservative doubling down by immediately repeating that no, they do in fact know that you are, but plead: "what, then, am I? Tell me!"
Oh what a lovely surprise! They have just tripled down in the very same sentence! You see, part of their hive's rules is that all outsiders must be treated as cooperating members of a single enemy conspiracy.
Have you ever considered that if you need to resort to such word salad, you have nothing?
This "conservative" who lives in Canada and voted liberal... "hive mind" indeed.
But keep it coming, the cringe is funny.
Next you should pretend I wrote that first reply of yours where you linked to a random Australian video about the previous elderly president and then said they were in a cult. How would you critique me?
Try more dressing with that word salad. I recommend creamy cucumber. It's refreshing this time of year.
Wait? It,s the left that's in a cult now? You know that's how children argue, right? "I know you are, but what am i?" Is a bad look for you.
Tell me, in this cult the left is in, who is the leader? Who is at the head, feeding the masses the mantras?
Seems like there hasnt been a leader that the left has fully trusted in many years, even decades. Likely evidence that they are thinking for themselves and not just following the bullshit of some pedophile dementia patient.
The lady doth protest too much, methinks.
As a Canadian, interacting with you rabid lunatics online is the only safe way to study how you went from putting a man on the Moon with the help of Nazis, to becoming them.
Wow, and I though American idiots were special!
You heard it here first folks, trying to hold a fascist dictator accountable makes you the real Nazi! 🤣
It's actually wild to hear you calling the leftists the Nazis, when trump is literally following the Nazi playbook.
I think you need an executive summary of what the hell that torrent of screenshots was supposed to mean.
TRUMP SHOULD BE ARRESTED
💯
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It'll pass in ten minutes. These cultists do not have the same values as people we would consider 'normal'. This will not sway them any more than the past five dozen fucking times some fundamentally undeniable issue of hypocrisy in ultra-vile evil shite has come up.
Not a Republican but a lot of notable right wing figureheads are speaking up about it publicly. People with actual power are making noise. Turning point USA which is basically the nonprofit PAC that the runs their local and national media circus has spoken against it. I think they're all realizing the idea is bigger than the leadership. They might be ready to cut ties
Even reddit's /r/conservative is up in arms about it, it's great
The mods there are working overtime trying to ban everyone who questions the pedodent
Holy shit, lol. I really hope that term is becoming a thing.
I looked thinking you were wrong, but there are some top comments saying that. Assuming they're not fake... that's big
Would the maga base even care if they found out they were supporting a pedophile?
Much like everything else, he just needs to own it.
If he put out a message saying "Women are peak when they're 13 and Jeff was the only guy who really knew that RIP" and dropped the file at the same time he could skate...
But he won't say it because he's spent years demonizing the Dems about the list while he's on it. So since "the list" is bad and he's on the list, it can't come out, but since he's in charge of releasing it and he has told his base to care they do. He could even say "I'm just on the list because Obama put me on there!" and he'd skate.
I don't get it, honestly, but there's too many scenarios where he gets off fine. His friends just don't want it to come out because they're not him and they won't get off free.
The initial QAnoners were already rationalizing it away since 2019-2020 or so saying he went there undercover "to save the children".
Right... and he'll do it any day now...
I mean, no, because we've known that he is one for decades.
Isn't that why they support him?
It seems like this could be a turning point in Trump's popularity with his base. I welcome it.
One of his followers did try to shoot him for it. Strange, the shooter’s reasons were not well publicized.
This Epstein list?
Thank you. I’ve been wondering whether I had hallucinated this, since it sounds like many people have forgotten this exists.
We saw this a full decade ago. It’s the contents of his ‘black book’, and trump is listed specifically under the ‘Island’ heading.
That's not Epstein list. It's just book with a bunch of contacts. Some Epstein met, some Epstein wanted to meet.
As per Snopes:
The Integillience did a deep dive on the contacts in the book.
Conrad Black 🙄🙄🙄
Snopes is about as trustworthy as donald trump, or any other corporate Main stream media outlet owned by billionaires. Just a bunch of bullshit to stop any critical thinking dead in it’s tracks and preserve the status quo
Where is this from?
It was released as evidence during Epstein’s pretrial hearings. Before he died.
We already knew all this, he just died before he could testify as to the details of his notes.
Anyone who can read and doesn’t have the memory of a goldfish knows that trump is an accomplice of epstein’s
Thanks, so what are people expecting to be released?
The FBI recovered extensive documentation when they raided the island. Epstein was essentially running a business trafficking young girls to his pedo island, and he made sure to keep records.
The list of customers was only ever partially released, and certain people’s names were redacted. One of them was heavily redacted due to his prominent public position. Trump was president at the time this partial list was released, and made every effort to say how he barely knew Epstein, even though there’s hundreds of pictures of them hugging and smiling both by themselves and with their wives.
What people want is the full list of names. Trump basically confirmed himself as on the list due to his behavior. But there are certainly many people who went to that island and should not be walking free but managed to slip under the radar.
Blaine & Robert (as a pair), Ivana and Ivanka are there but not Donald???
Weird.
Edit: Donald Trump is there. But separate from the rest. Took another look.
Yeah :/ weird.
Turns out Donald Trump actually is there. For some reason, he's together with the other Trumps.
It’s because Ivana is in the general section at the top, but there are specific sections after that, like ‘65th Street’, ‘Entertainment’, ‘Finance’, ‘Hotels’, ‘Island’, etc. Donald is listed under ‘Island’.
There’s also a section for ‘Massage - Florida’ that mostly includes girls’ first names (with separate entries for their moms in some cases), and several are redacted (IIRC because they were to be witnesses in his case).
Ah. Thanks for clarifying.
Wait… wasn’t Drumpf the president when Epstein was charged?!? So why the fuck is this helmet haired douche trying to blame Hilary (always- it’s his scapegoat), Obama, and Biden?!? None of them were in any position at that point to “help the case” so SHOW US THE DAMN CLIENT LIST where Drumpf was named (we have all seen the pics of him and Epstein together so stop denying it! It’s embarrassing!!) and then we can move the fuck on! And realize that Drumpf is the wet toilet paper of trash and the voters of America who voted for him are basic AF and need to open a fucking damn book!! It’s probs because his cult has only one brain cell rolling around up there reminding them to breathe! 😂😂 stupid MAGATS!
Because he's never accepted responsibility for anything he's ever done in his entire life?
Because deflecting the blame to others is his go to move when called out?
Because a large number of his base will believe that his deflections are true?
Because he is a spineless, gutless, nutless, mushroom-dicked, pedophile asshole, and blaming others for his failings is the only thing he can do short of owning it?
All of the above?
Edit:
So that if the files somehow get leaked, he's already "discredited" them. I guess the FBI took a nap during his first term in office, which isn't suspicious in any way whatsoever.
You win best comment for the day! Amazing!!
The underlying purpose of the whole Qanon movement was basically to give Trump supporters a way to explain why he wasn't delivering on his promises during his first term.
100% right… and where are they now?! Q is DEAD and was never “alive” (after the election)… it was legit a PSY OPS mission (and was successful- because Americans lack crucial thinking skills due to the lack in education funding)!
Really space lasers and Pizzagate…. GTFO with that RUBBISH… but that’s what Drumpf wanted… dumb voters! He got that and everyone who participated and continues to support that mission is just that… DUMB! It’s an embarrassment to their families and the America people that they all can all be just THAT FUCKING DUMB!
And those “who didn’t vote” are just negligent in letting this happen so I have no sympathy for what’s coming next. I didn’t vote for it, but you reap what you sow and I will protect myself and family from the misinformation problem and comic disaster that Trump is already inflicting! Stop listening Facebook and read a reputable news source or don’t talk!
Fellow Voting American… OUT!
My guess, he's got people typing out documents that say
EPSTEIN FILES
They'll release it in a couple days.
More likely a black sharpie
Front page on ONN:
EPSTEIN FILES
Hillary
Obama
TRUMP!!It's definitely a broken crayon.
"Bill Clinton and... other Presidents..."
Then he has to prosecute them, which I don't think he has the balls to do, tbh. He'll lock up farm workers and Home Depot employees, but he won't risk losing a high profile case against fellow elites at this stage.
The reason is that the Glorious Leader is a pedophile and well know serial sexual harasser and rapist and releasing the Epstein files would conform what everyone other than the MAGAzi fascist bootlickers already know.
Department of Justice release the Epstein Surveillance video:
https://www.justice.gov/video-files/video2.mp4
August 9, 2019 released in July 2025, the Federal Bureau of Prisons release an 11 hour surveillance video of Jeffrey Epstein's upper atrium corridor, except it contains this sudden cut and minute removed from it.
The one minute cut is here:
https://odysee.com/@UnlockingFreedom:d/Epstein-Prison-Video-7.5-whole-minutes-cut:c?src=embed&t=0.283513
The footage has been transformed on the X axis and scaled about 3.5% on X axis so, again, there's no way to check frame by frame for repeat use frames. The timestamp at the beginning is 7:40:00pm and the last timestamp is 6:40:00am, but the video is 10:52:23 in length, meaning there's almost 7.5 minutes missing, not just this one minute, which is seen in the cut. The initial report tells us that Jeffrey Epstein (Jewish) was allowed to make an unscheduled, unrecorded phone call (unmonitored). Using a non inmate telephone system line to a local 646 area code, at 6:58pm, contrary to BOP policy but with the permission of a Unit Manager, which lasted until 7:19pm then Epstein was taken back to his cell, without a cellmate.
Why does this matter?
There's a conspiracy that Jews basically hold most of the power in the world and have done so for a long time which is the perfect Boogeyman because Jews are ethnically diverse and ambiguous, indiscernible from a typical "white person"... It's not about hate, hate has to be targeted. It's about fear. Fear is the real center, the emotion that justifies hatred.
There’s a conspiracy that Jews basically hold most of the power
AIPAC controls congress didn't [Israeli Prime Minister] Benjamin Netanyahu get 52 standing ovations for every word spoken? The ICC and ICJ are trying to put Netanyahu in the dock at the Hague
@cabron_offsets
People do not think it is 'cool' to hate Jewish people. That is weird to write that. They are watching children with their legs blown off by the IDF
Follow me a gang and go into the third.
Their base? It's at least equally cool to the leftist base to hate Jews now.
Nationalists and socialists coming together in their shared hatred of Jews... how original.
Uhhhh where are you getting this idea from? The left is mostly against the genocide and crimes against humanity that Israel is commiting. A lot of Jews are against Zionism. Antizionism and anti Judaism are two very completely different things and I'm worried you don't understand the difference
Suggesting they would be willing to even try is far too generous.
Every argument is in bad faith with these types.
If Jeffrey Epstein was Buddhist that would have made a better cover.
@burgerpocalyse
Yes it is, you know the subject well. The phone call was because JE drugged the guards. The deep state did a switcheroo :
https://www.printernational.co.uk/timmann/history.htm#epstein
99% of them are sooner to literally get on their knees and offer their mouth than ever speak against him.
Trump supporters are what they are. They have no spine. They are cowards that fear everything but the things they understand and think they control. They are the dirt of the earth, meant to be tread on, elevated only by the worms that crawl from it and tell them fanciful stories of their pretensive grandeur.
Better to be dead with your dignity than alive and in support of this man. The people shall take turns defecating on his grave when he's gone... All of us, and all of those who call themselves his loyal followers.
There are none truly loyal to men such as this.
Bullshit... this is all just distraction...
Everything's a distraction from everything else.
This exactly. Just because this is meant to distract from some other fresh hell, does not mean that this is something to be ignored.
It's part of their strategy. Firehose of bullshit.
Is pissing off his base a lot. I’ll take it.
Trump is now claiming that Biden and Obama created the Epstein files. The only reason for him to do this is that the files aren't damaging to Democrats and confirm that Trump is a serial pedophile rapist.
Shocking allegations about the guy that used to creep around in the Miss Teen USA changing room!
Definitely. I hope the full truth comes out.
Of course the files are going to be damaging to Democrats. You don't think the rich and powerful are any different across party lines did you? The only reason the Democratic party is as "ethical" and good as it is (it isn't very), is because the voter base has a slightly smaller appetite for bullshit. Hopefully they'll do the right thing and push ny even further left too, we need to roast the DNC over the coals if we have any luck of charging the future for the better. Or maybe there will just be revolution
"Both sides!"
No, Democrats are infinitely better than Republicans. I also still firmly believe many Democrats are on those lists.
I have no doubt but Trump and his bootlickers aren't trying to hide the list because there are Democrats on it.
Agree
"revolt" lol.
There's mild grumbling from people who overwhelmingly seem to say they'll remain faithful to the cult until death.
What’s going to happen when maga finds out that everything they were groomed to believe in is all about the very people they listened to, trusted in and destroyed for? I hope they redirect their anger to start pushing democrats to start doing their job and starts pushing out those who are not for the people. Hope this starts a productive team up of the people vs the corrupt, rich and powerful.
Why is it Americans never hold the GOP to account? Why is it when the GOP does something bad, you have to somehow work it around so it's somehow the Democrats fault? Why do you wonder why it's difficult to keep the GOP from getting power and doing horrible shit when everyone in the US blames everything on the Democrats even when they aren't in power?
I'm Canadian and I wouldn't blame the opposition party for something the governing party is doing. It's a strange part of American culture to blame a Democrats for everything and it doesn't make any sense. And it doesn't happen the other way, I don't recall people ever blaming the Republicans when the Democrats do something they don't like.
It's a weird thing about American culture and it's resulted in the party that gets blamed for everything having no power to stop the party that never gets blamed for anything. But y'all continue blaming them for being in this situation.
Nothing, just like the last 500 times this happened.
This is nothing. The MAGAites will rally around whatever Trump says and he as already told them to move on.
well about time he got a taste of his own medicine.
This is just copium.
...don't sell what you cannot provide...
These people love power more than integrity. Until there's action it's all just posturing.
Trumpstein
I NEVER THOUGHT THE LEOPARD WOULD EAT MY FACE!!!!
Are they bringing their guns to the lynching? I hope they're bringing their guns to the lynching.
Doesn't really matter if he's not planning on having another election.
Well at this point everyone wants to bury it & any mention of the real reason is pretty obvious to anyone in the know. He was an Intelligence Asset
metacognitive myopia even prevents people from updating their beliefs about the existence of WMDs.
No Trump is not.. his fans still adore him..
How much is this a revolt over the Epstein files and how much is it just a vent for the general dissatisfaction of the people? I imagine they're quite angry about a number of things by now, including that groceries didn't get cheaper, as trump promised would happen on "day one", so i guess this might just be a general way to vent.
Someone told me an interesting thought that I'm surprised right people who somehow still want this mayhem have not thought of:
Even if they can somehow remove everyone that they want to remove whether it is people of color, immigrants, etc they too, white people, would still be replaced as well without realizing it
Russins would not let them keep any power or money. They would take it away the first chance they get and put their own Russin people into levers of power
What? Are they now disappointed that he is no certified child molester? Just wait, I bet there is enough evidence to show that he is one of them.
I’ll take things I don’t give two fucks about for a thousand, Alex.
Americans are only outraged by whoever tells them to be outraged about