Iran issues fatwa against Donald Trump: "Enemy of God"
A senior cleric in Iran has issued a fatwa declaring that anyone who threatens Iran's Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei is "an enemy of God," state media has reported.
Grand Ayatollah Naser Makarem Shirazi was responding to a question about any threats made by U.S. President Donald Trump and the leaders of Israel, including prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu.
A fatwa is a ruling on how to interpret Islamic law issued by a clerical authority.
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That and an extreme lack of empathy, which is confusing
Most organized religions don't cultivate empathy, especially the ones considered Abrahamic. It probably inhibits it.
It's all about their gods saying "do these things and you won't suffer at my hands." Followers don't get to think about whether something is correct or the right thing to do. They're too busy thinking about if it's going to count as a sin.
Having lived in Utah for way too long, I have seen this among the Mor[m]ons. They'll do "good works" but it's very impersonal most of the time.
It's about grinding the maximum blessings with the least amount of effort. That doesn't lend itself to empathy.
Especially with the whole temple thing. Spend a couple of hours cosplaying as an avatar for a dead person and still get all the blessings as if you helped a living person in a tight spot.
It’s bizarre given how explicit the teachings of Jesus are. It’s very clear that many churches are cults following the teachings of man, only nominally accepting the word of God
This is simply false.
https://theconversation.com/us-muslims-gave-more-to-charity-than-other-americans-in-2020-170689
https://www.civilsociety.co.uk/news/british-muslims-give-four-times-the-average-uk-donor-report-says.html
Keep fighting the good fight, man. I've given up on getting Lemmy atheists to abandon any but the most insane of positions (and even then they dig in their heels half the time).
The thing I found out when I was a manager is you will get exactly what you measure. If you measure how long it takes to close tickets your customer service will suffer (that's a stupid thing to measure anyway, but we had a stupid director). If you measure the number of tickets closed then you'll get each step of a process as a ticket. If you measure billable hours you'll get a bunch of time padding.
So since the religion is measuring the amount of sin and (in some denominations cases) good works performed, that's what you'll get. How many of the big 10 did you stay on the right side of? Did you put in 2 hours at the soup kitchen? Cool, here's your ticket to heaven. It's not measuring how good you are to your fellow humans. And they're pissed if you don't have to follow the same rules they do because you don't believe in the same sins. So they try to force others to live by their dumb ass rules instead of trying to get others to be good people.
I cannot speak for other religions but for Islam that is completely false.
Intention is crucial to the evaluation of an action. An outwardly good deed with bad intention is worth nothing, and a bad deed done out of good intention will see forgiveness in its punishment.
See for instance: https://islamweb.net/en/article/156996/the-intention-is-the-foundation-of-every-action
A famous hadith (saying by the Prophet, blessings and peace be upon him) goes as follows (translation of the meaning):
🙏 Someone with some sources instead of the usual lemmy circlejerk
Islam is still abrahamic and carries the same questionable roots Christianity and Judaism have.
I like your example about foolish management, and you're right in that's what you'll get when you "measure for holiness." Hypocrites and holier-than-thous galore.
However, and I can only speak from a Christian experience, this is why "works based salvation" is not what is taught by Jesus Himself.
What you speak of with "How many of these laws did you follow enough to get a ticket to heaven?" is Hollywood theology at best, and not at all Biblical.
Numerous times He stresses doing good works in secret, and not to show off to others. (If you get attention for it, that's your petty little reward, basically.)
A righteous life inspires good works naturally, and the Law makes sure we should never forget that none of us are perfect, therefore we are called to forgive others the way we'd wish to be forgiven.
We are not called to judge others. If you judge others, you'd best be ready to submit to being judged by the same metric. (And will likely be found wanting.)
I too, am I weary and sick of these religious cults, who want to wear the funniest big hats and stand on the highest podiums to look down their nose at all the lesser-thans. Surely, they've "already gotten their reward", and those who use faith to mislead and abuse others do not know their God, and He will not remember them.
Imagine judging all organized religions using Mormons out of all people as your basis.
Or any sort of American-based religion tbh. Christianity (the rites and added Roman things, not the supposed core of Jesus' teachings) is a mess in itself, but then you have Evangelicals and megachurches and whatever other crazy and distinctively American branches they have over there that I'm not surprised that's their only understanding of religion. Religion is about self-control, everything else is wind.
At least the Mormons are basically communists. Insular, tribe-only, intolerant communists but communists none the less.
A Jesus Christ complex would be refreshing. A leader who would deny earthly pleasures, command their followers to love thy neighbor, feed the hungry, uplift the sick and poor, give long sermons about mercy and forgiving your enemies, and would be seen personally breaking bread with the unhoused and lawyers alike?
That'd freak everybody out for sure.
Don't forget the flipping tables, beating bankers and money-lenders, and saying that rich people don't go to Heaven.
Indeed, this is the one the Americhristian cult of "supply-side Jesus" really doesn't like. LOL
Obtaining significant wealth seems to generally coincide in prioritizing it, at the expense of the love for one's Creator or fellow human being, and ultimately one's own soul.
In the interest of accuracy: He "drove out" bankers and money lenders selling sacrificial animals and such, who turned His Father's house into a disgraceful shrine to money, but He's not recorded directly inflicting violence upon them.
This is a crucially important detail given Christ's Sermon on the Mount, among other examples, where He stresses forgiving one's enemies:
::: spoiler Matthew 5:38-43 38 “You have heard that it was said, ‘An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.’ 39 But I tell you not to resist an evil person. But whoever slaps you on your right cheek, turn the other to him also. 40 If anyone wants to sue you and take away your tunic, let him have your cloak also. 41 And whoever compels you to go one mile, go with him two. 42 Give to him who asks you, and from him who wants to borrow from you do not turn away. Love Your Enemies
43 “You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ 44 [a]But I say to you, love your enemies, bless those who curse you, do good to those who hate you, and pray for those who spitefully use you and persecute you, :::
"I inherited a lot of power and connections from my parents, I must be a god"
Thank you for this take.
The problem isn’t religion.
The problem is PEOPLE
Thank you for being the voice of reason. I keep telling peole that without religion people would wage war about what the best color is. If you want to be a dick you'll always find a reason
But maybe we should take away the reasons that make people think divinity supports their actions, instead of them just being shitty people making shitty decisions.
"Jesus complex" is being an imperialistic or violent and abusive pillaging freak? 😭🙃
The Sermon on the Mount is like 4 pages long, come on...
All these guys are a threat to humanity.
He's not wrong
So he’s the enemy of god? But maga says he’s the second coming of Jesus and doing the lords work? Same Old Testament thinking too
They'll convenientlyskip over every part in scripture that demands morality and self-restraint, and holds them accountable to their actions. Oh, and literally all of Jesus' teachings, lol. Merciless "Christians" are a little bit like "dry water".
Revelations 13: 16-17
Babe wake up, abrahamic religion is fighting again.
Oh like trump is relgious
He’s not, but the fundamentalist Christians have decided he’s their hero.
Would it be better if he was, though?
If he would take the ten commandments serious, we would be in a very different place.
The same applies to most of high ranking US politicians though. Imagine a world in which the US would not be constantly murdering and robbing people.
The Bible specifically allows killing as an act of war and considers it different from murder. The protagonists of the book also steal stuff all the time.
These commandments are for controlling behavior inside a society, not outside of it.
Trump is a senile and a deeply unserious person. His existence makes me believe that souls might exist because he very much seems like a person without one. He doesn't think about his actions deeply which is why I believe that if he suddenly turned religious, I don't think much would change.
When it comes to scripture, it's important to learn to separate the wheat from the chaff. If suddenly tomorrow he truly believed that God will judge him and that God is wise and just (I feel like any monotheistic religion has at least these attributes), he would have a mental breakdown cause he'd know he's almost certainly going to Hell, lol. He's too far away from just basic decency and morality, too in love with money, power and underaged girls, to ever take one step in that direction though. 🤷
Nah, they could fatwa his fat ass all the same, regardless.
Religion is about control
Yup, and always has been. Came to this conclusion when I was young and I cannot see it any other way.
Jesus said very specifically to feed, clothe, and house people in need, and that even letting the poor live on your property and eat your food isn't enough to keep you out of hell if you don't actually keep them safe and fed enough. He REALLY insisted, he talked about prisoners rights repeatedly. I've never heard of a single church trying to improve prisoners lives. Not one. Someone did the math and discovered that if every building used for religious worship sponsored two people. Housed two homeless people, there would be no homelessness. That's it. Two people. Now assuming just Christian churches would make those numbers harder, let's go ahead and double that number even though that's impossible because the majority of places of worship are Christian in the US by a lot more than 50%, but let's just pretend it's 4 people a Christian church. That's VERY LITTLE EFFORT that would end all homelessness in America.
Try and build a halfway house anywhere in the US and what happens? Thousands of people suddenly are motivated to show up to town hall meetings and sign petitions!
In many countries Mosques allow homeless people to sleep in them , wash themselves and pray there obviously.
"Not in my backyard" is a global phenomenon.
Then again, so is "it's a halfway house, not a drunk tank -> it's a drunk tank"
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c20g1zvgj4do
This timeline.
It's weird when two horrible entities in the world hate each other. Is it popcorn time?
Only in the sense that all our heads will start to pop like popcorn when the nukes start flying.
Iran doesn't have nukes and their strategy is quite defensive, rather than aggressive. If there is Nukes flying Israel would toss them first and the US would follow in, because they can't be not throwing bigger bombs than Israel.
Trump: Putting the "fat" in "fatwa" since 1946.
Just how long have you been waiting to use this one?
Iran should have a national twitter for these kinds of burns
Couldn't have happened to a nicer guy
First Larry David, now Trump!
Hey. If it happens you won't hear me complain.
He needs to go. The who how and why doesn't matter so long as he's gone. That's a win for the entire human race.
I was gonna say that it would only be unfortunate due to giving them a reason to attack Iran, but history has shown us that doesn't matter. We'll do that regardless. If we dont have a reason we've been happy to just make one up.
At this point its really just a matter of not wanting to actually fight America on the battlefield.
Has he created a movement, or has there been a movement that has attracted him? As I see it, it's not just him it's most of the current GOP leadership, Thiel and the Heritage foundation, Citizens United and a few adjacent organizations that need to go before you can go to a somewhat reasonable functioning society in the US. And frankly the way some Democrats react to the New York primary, they also seriously need to clean house.
Happiness is small moments. Little dots of hope in a sea of despair and misery.
You go to work. Autopilot through the day. Then at lunch or on break you get that sandwich you really love from a nearby shop or your favorite spot. You have that momentary respite before returning to whatever drudgery you're forced to endure to live in this hole. Now expand that to cover everything all the time. Might be a sandwich. Might be a new episode of your favorite show. A hug from your partner or child.
Tiny moments of joy.
Doe 174 dying is a tiny moment of joy that a whole lot of people will get a whole lot of joy from. So yeah. It'll be worth it. And I'll applaud it no matter how it happens.
The problem is the movement he has created. The same is true of many other politicians in other countries.
Is it a movement or is it a trump cult?
My view is I don’t see this ending if he dies.
It matters. He must not be allowed to go quickly or peacefully. He must be tortured live on the internet until it takes him. I won’t be happy with anything less. After all, it’s the cruelty that matters.
I don’t necessarily vibe with the processes to reach the declaration nor do I reflexively support the orator, but I can’t say I disagree
Oh please. And what are you gonna do about it? Dare you. Double dog dare you!
I mean, really lol go ahead
Well, Trump is an insult to anyone with more than one functioning brain cell
He is the enemy of literally everyone, so, I guess God is also on that list 😂
Here's a comprehensive list why killing the orange Shitgibbon is a bad idea:
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Let's just hope that if anything ever happens, the event takes large parts of the succession line with it.
Who would have thought that Iran might save the USA 🙄
It won't. There's too many other assets implanted. Vance is no better and he at least knows when to shut the fuck up.
sure as hell wasnt on my bingo card.
Making him a martyr would be a bad consequence.
Once again failing to hold a president accountable for crimes against the country only keeps that avenue wide open for the future.
There's two
oh look. a nothing-falafel
Ask Salman Rushdie about that.
It took 40 years
He stayed quiet and went in hiding, Trump can't for the life of him, do that.
Even if the US government went though a lot of trouble faking his death and relocating him he'd be bragging about it on twitter before the end of the week.
not that I wouldn't love this win for religious fundamentalist posturing, it's not going to play out like that for Fruity Tootsie the Orange Teletubby. he's not the same.
I know. But it's a religious thing, so any random dude with a mental illness, other than religion itself, can take Holy Action (tm).
perhaps you're right. I'm struggling with the mental justification of allowing myself to think that anyone but Americans can rid ourselves of him. but who knows. maybe it's okay to think that someone else will do it. here's hoping allah's greatest defender is out there somewhere, may he have the most violent brainworms that he needs for the Holy Justice 🙏 or whatever
Well, now we have a couple million Shi’ite Muslims—some, but not all of which are extremists—believing that they’ll instantly go to heaven if they off him on the planet… which skews the odds a little.
certainly numbers are in favor of it. I just think there's a little more to it than that. Osama B' for instance wasn't born, he was made with American funding to fight communists for decades. and he existed in a time before the current zeitgeist of manufactured consent.
just sayin, I think it's highly likely the Islam religion will embrace jihad as a more abstract spiritual vibe before they actually follow through on something like that again. like how leftists now do revolution as more of an affectation or how christians do thoughts and prayers to fix injustices in the world. as it was written in the ancient texts "do it or 'no balls'"
Propaganda. How is his credibility collapsing?
Without checking the context, Iran and their proxies got hit a bunch and turned the other cheek, so in the game theoretic sense, yes, none of their threats will be credible now.
The conventional smart move would have been to start gradually blowing Isreali and American stuff up the moment Hazbollah was attacked. It sounds they might actually have some kind of twisted, theocratic idealism that got in the way of that.
Wtf are you talking about? There were USA reporters in bomb shelters and Israelis making "oh, we're so persecuted because we're Jewish," tiktok videos as Iran bombed the shit out of Israel.
They didn't turn the other cheek. Propaganda has you.
That was only after the eventual direct attack on Iranian soil, and I don't know if it's even double digit missiles that have managed to land in return. Some Israelis are still stunned, but only because of how deep in a bubble they are.
Iran also opted not to close the Strait of Hormuz, even now, although apparently they were making preparations.
More like enemy of men, both of youse
Given the backdoors in modern CPUs and routers, that's not something you want in writing on the interweebs. Say, do you know what approaching re-education drones sound like?
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pfffffff ha ha ha and he deletes his post! Guess he heard an airplane and thought it was the Raytheon GBU-12 Camp Camp refugee tent buster bomb being sent his way!
Authoritarianism thrives when citizens self-police their speech.
That's what geocached samizdat is for, silly boy! Or pirate radio, or pirate OTA TV (HD or NTSC for extra cred).
Feels like deja vu to when Bin Laden issues a jihad against the US, but this time it is much more personal - Trump got called out.
Oh he's an enemy to far more than just some imaginary friend.
As much as I'd like to see this sadistic shitbag removed from society anyway possible, it would be preferable to see him in jail or let the Big Macs take care of him. If an assassination is tied to Iran, that can't be good for anyone.
They should just have Trump's dumbass UCW event end with a fight between Trump and the Ali Khamenei. Both are demented authoritarian old fools, and it would be funny to have these "tough guys" in a ring barely able to stand up before a punch is even thrown.
But they're both cowards that make others do violence for them so that'll never happen.
When two tribes go to war.
...and Diet Coke, the bastard has to drink something.
This will be fun to watch over the next few years.
Nothing is gonna happen. “Terrorists” like killing kids, not actual difficult targets.
Figure it took them 30 years just to take Salman Rushdie’s eye.
Trump will be dead by then, they better hurry up. It’s not like they don’t know his address.
He got fatwa'd. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pMGZEnnLi3U
During the WW II the Allies did not consider assassinating Hitler, because they knew who was fucking everything up. The lunatic cleric should realize Mango Mussolini is weakening the USA.
You're assuming Iran has competent leadership.
I didn’t disparage, there was no disparage!
Kind of a Pot meet Kettle deal
Oh interesting. Tell us about your time in Iran.
Don't need to international news supplies all the info I've needed for the last 40+ years.
Is this the Muslim equivalent of calling someone the Antichrist?
Great Kreator song
Anyone else planning on dining out in an Iranian restaurant tonight?
And if you happen to wander into a right-wing maga conversation you hear that Trump has ended was with Iran and he should get a Nobel peace prize for it. I wonder what talking point is right.
/S
he works for the devil into bringing people into his fold, so yes he as an enemy of humans, angels and god.
Now we are talking! Get em!!!
Beheading is too good for him.
Propaganda. How is his credibility collapsing?
Finally.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pMGZEnnLi3U
Same.
Well that's... bold.
You're just a cleric dude. I'm sure Trump would have taken out Khameni if it wouldn't have turned the entire region into a conflagration.
edit: lol, if I had the entire power and might of the US military and some motherfucker puts out a hit on me? That dude is dead. Dead before the weekend is up. I'm sure Salman Rushdie could have used that sort of power but now he's missing an eye because of those insane motherfuckers.
Killing Khamenei would be a terrible mistake. One of his son who probably would be his successor is even more extreme and would remove the fatwa Khamenei used to prohibit the building and using of nukes
The one thing Trump's decision told the world was every country should be building nukes as fast as possible and keep quiet about it.
I guess I'm gonna need one if that's all it takes. Fuck your god.
Nobody give a F about you. What a ridiculous comment
True
Yes, and just like me, no one gives a fuck about you either. Feel better?
Are you the other guy lawyer? I didn't claim i am an important person like the other guy to the point that iran would go after me and do something bad to me for saying something insulting on a random platform
Fuck man's gods. They are all made up to control people. Every single one
Fuck trump and you
Religion stole the reason why from humanity.