Spyke

There are very likely an alarming number of religious people who’d agree.

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sh.itjust.works

I thought God changed his mind about black people in 1978?

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Skill issue. You’re just not sinning hard enough.

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Honestly, academically speaking, that is an interesting question. It probes at the heart of what race really is.

Is race how you are perceived? Then if someone darkened their skin and had surgery to take on certain facial features, sufficient to the point that people read and treat them as black, are they then black?

Is race genetic? What if a white person used hypothetical generic engineering to give themselves a genotype of someone with largely African ancestry? Their phenotype is still white, but their genotype is black. They aren't read as white, but any children they have will be. Are they black? Will their children be? What if the genetic treatment also changes their phenotype? They now have the genes and a visual appearance that most would identify as black, but they know nothing of black culture and have lived in predominantly white communities their whole life. Are they now black?

Is race more about culture? Do you have to be raised as part of a black community to be black? If a white person adopts a black infant and raises them to adulthood in an entirely white rural town, is that child black? What if the parents are super racist and try to turn their adopted kid visibly white by lightening their skin, and they do this to the kid from birth? Is the kid still black? What about the opposite? What if it's a white baby adopted by black parents and raised in a predominantly black community? Is that child black? What if the parents alter the child's appearance to be visibly black, and do so from birth?

It's honestly a really interesting question, and countless dissertations and books have been written on the subject of what exactly race is. So I'm not really qualified to answer this question. I frankly don't know what precisely defines a person's race. My impression is that ultimately race is a very squishy, poorly defined concept. The questions above probe the definition by investigating its edges. Another way to do so would be to consider the concept of passing (in a racial sense.)

I don't really have any answers here, only questions. But your question, "how do you become black?" really sent me down a rabbit hole. When you take the question seriously, it really starts getting to the heart of just what this thing we call "race* really is.

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lemmy.world

If Jesus was here right now ICE would deport him then Israel would bomb him and these Christian cunts would say he deserved it because he "didn't follow the rules".

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Many are born in the US, some walk or fly there.

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It's called the BI-ble, not the Straight-ble. Adam AND Eve, not Adam or Eve.

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It’s crazy y’all. I used to be gay, then I read those verses and magically…. I’m not gay anymore. Praise Jesus!!!

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mander.xyz

What about Ezekiel 24:20 (edit 23:20)

20 She lusted after lovers with genitals as large as a donkey’s and emissions like those of a horse

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Size queen with a hyperspermia fetish. Nothing wrong with that, it takes all kinds.

What I'm curious about is how do they know the size of a horse's load? You don't just stumble across that one day at the farm.

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Christians: wait no not like that🥵

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Pro-Christian critical race theory is the last thing I thought I will encounter before going to sleep today

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lemmy.world

Fun fact, medieval Christians in some parts of Europe actually believed that "moors" (a catch all term for Africans at the time) with black skin would become white if they converted to Christianity, and there were many popular tales of this happening. Race as a concept hadn't really been invented yet, but medieval people did notice that people they encountered who had dark skin often practiced Islam and wrongly assumed that believing in Islam was the cause of the dark skin rather than it just being who happened to convert.

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so that means i can get a nice tan by converting slightly to islam, fucking sweet

makes me wonder what the fuck trump follows, the church of cheddar?

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The opposite is true. If you're gay, God made you that way for a damn good reason! Who are you to question His will? It is a mortal sin for a gay man to sleep with a woman!

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That's something archaic. God created you so you are attracted to people with the same sex attributes as yours. You ultimately decide what to do with it. You can't know God's intent, my child. Maybe he created you to become as strong as a bear, but maybe you were created as bottom generator

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lemmy.world

Sorry, I've got to nitpick your excellent snarky comeback:

It is a mortal sin for a gay man to sleep with a woman!

Such a man isn't committing a sin; he's merely bi and confused about labels.

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Only if he sleeps with a woman because he likes it. Lots of gay men sleep with women to avoid the stigma of being a known homosexual (and/or being in denial and/or internalized homophobia).

Wait, christianity doesn't approve of sex for pleasure, and many of these gay men in denial genuinely like their wives (just not sexually). Carry on, then.

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I haven't realized I am black until this post. Thanks religion, I'm now black because I'm a white bisexual guy.

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lemmy.world

America hates LGBTQ.

Left

Gay

Brown

Thinks for themselves

Questions what they’re told

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It's always fun when religious people claim to know what is or is not gods intent or doing, when they so often claim "his ways are unfathomable for us mere humans" whenever it suits them.

Or they use the Bible as source, a book written by humans who they never knew and cannot verify if they were terrible people. (based on the content of the bible they most likely were assholes based on modern values)

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lemmy.ml

It's obviously satire with "black"

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You're certainly not born a christo-fascist arsehole. That's something you have to learn, and you probably have to unlearn a lot of basic human instincts as well..

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You know what is a real sin? The fucking way that people in society are treated as productive workforces to further enrich the rich. The way that people get kicked on the street if they miss a rent payment. The way that the newspaper headlines say it's a tragedy that the Titan submersible sank, but if thousands of refugees drown in the mediterranean sea, it's not even worth a headline anymore. (i'm still pissed about the latter one). Refugees that exist in the first place because of rich people's greed for oil.

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lemmy.zip

Of course all old testament. They so conveniently forget that their hippy savior changed the rules, because of course they don't actually like his message; does not justify their desire to have power over others.

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Right, because kids going through all this sexual/mental stress when they hit high school love making their lives more difficult with bullying and hatred, when they could just choose to be straight. Damn idiots.

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*Lol the black edit.

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lemmy.ml

I do think it is most likely true that one's gender and sexuality is not set at birth but instead emerges later for most people. I mean twin studies for one thing. Doesn't mean it's a choice though.

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lemmy.world

For gender dysphoria there have been studies suggesting that prenatal hormone exposure plays a role. Many also experience dysphoria specifically about their genitals, so it's likely about more than just social gender constructs (probably also depends on the individual though), with at least some contributing factors already decided at birth.

But yea, both gender and sexuality are very complex and there are bound to be environmental factors for both.

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Many also experience dysphoria specifically about their genitals, so it’s likely about more than just social gender constructs (probably also depends on the individual though), with at least some contributing factors already decided at birth.

I mean, ultimately everything that goes on in your mind has a neurological component of some sort. I suspect with this, for example, the brain is structured to run body template A, but is piloting body template B and is basically throwing an error. I see no reason not to change the body to match the brain, especially since modifying the brain quickly heads into major ethical concerns and philosophical weirdness. I mean, ultimately the brain is you and the body is just a meat mech.

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same for sexuality. I didn't say that pre-birth effects have no impact.

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lemmy.ml

I meant trans status, not gender. I don't know that science has entirely determined the cause of trans status or that it's social.

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lemmy.ml

Yeah, it just bothers me when people reject "you are not born LGBT" as though it's somehow a bigoted opinion. I guess they hear "not born" and mentally substitute "it's a choice."

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I think most people who would agree with the phrase "you are not born LGBT" if you asked them to rank "agree"/"disagree" on a survey, and are not the kind of people who actively go around with an anti-LGBT agenda. Those with an anti-LGBT agenda obviously are the people who we hear saying this.

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lemmy.ml

No. I'm not aware of any evidence that one is born with the propensity to be LGBT. It's well-known that it's not a choice, but that is not the same as saying that you're genetically predetermined to be LGBT. Twin studies disprove that.

My understanding is that the current prevailing belief among psychologists is that sexual orientation develops during adolescence, and is either random or influenced in some way by one's sexual exposure, but not necessarily in any obviously deterministic way.

Any direct, unqualified statement of, "you are born different" is directly and completely wrong.

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Blackness is a social construct, too. You might be born with darker skin, but a lot (if not most) black people in the USA are very visibly mixed race and even if they weren't, it still doesn't follow that they automatically need to have all these socioeconomic issues and stereotypes attached to them.

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Wow! All the Black people who experience systemic racism will be thrilled to know that Jesus can make them white.

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This is the angle we gotta play with bigotry.

Just constantly pointing out that you are born those things, and you don't harrass people because of how they were born.

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They can’t even get their own scripture right, so I’m not surprised someone would botch this so badly, too.

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