128 Democrats join House Republicans to block AOC, Al Green bid to impeach Trump
Useless. Time for the Social Democrats to form their own party.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-impeachment-aoc-al-green-democrats-vote-b2776294.htmlOpen linkView original on lemmy.world1307
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Here is the full list of Democrats that voted to table the articles of impeachment.
Find yours, call them, and let them know they've failed to represent the people interests.
Ro Khanna doing his standard move of cycling back and forth between pretending to be a progressive and just being utterly spineless.
I truly hope "refused to impeach President Trump" becomes a purity test in the next primary. That's a lot of incumbents to kick to the curb, but with this vote it's well warranted.
Only problem with this method is that there are those who voted for his first few impeachments but not this latest one, so they can say they have in the past but not specify which one.
Also it's a sad state of affairs that we have a President whose been impeached several times.
Give a date and time. Motherfuckers you don't get credit for kinda representing the party sometimes.
No spine
On the other hand, if they did vote for impeachment, call them and tell them to keep up the good fight.
My guy is on the list, so he'll be getting a call from me today. He's useless anyway. I wish he'd get primaried by a tough progressive.
Hey, have you considered running? I'm not trying to be snarky, some of these mfs basically go wholly unopposed, and you can't possibly do worse than not running at all.
I'm not a Democrat, I'm an Unaffiliated Independent, which makes it almost impossible to win.
Besides, I have too many skeletons in my closet. I would get blown out in a dozen ways. I'm also too radical, I'd say something to end up disappeared to a Black Site.
Keyboard Warriors like me also serve a key role in spreading the message. The MAGA Nazis have the Conservative Propaganda Machine, so I can do my best to do my small part to fight them on the Left. That's my role.
Please bear in mind that I'm trying to be helpful. If you were interested in doing more, maybe you can start a stream on Twitch, then? It would certainly get a lot more reach than Lemmy. I think Lemmy has a great role as a way for leftists to network, but its reach is really limited.
I hear you. I was a fairly big poster on Reddit, with a 12 year old account, nearly a million Karma, and a lot of followers. Then I got permabanned during the post-inauguration bloodbath.
Lemmy's reach is growing. It feels very much like Reddit when I first started, and nobody knew what it was. Today, Reddit is on its way down, and will continue to slide as they kick out any MAGA opposition.
I'm still reaching a lot of people, and I believe Lemmy's influence will continue to increase, as Reddit's influence and reputation continue to plunge.
And then send them out to pasture like Andrew Cuomo.
It can be done. Do it enough, and you'll have a party that actually represents the people.
Yup, that's what democracy is supposed to be all about giving engaged citizens the tools to change the system to reflect their values!
God damn it. My local rep is one of those assholes.
Start beating on those primary drums.
I have sent my rep an email telling him he's lost my vote, and will be looking to support his primary opponent come election time.
Don’t do this. Just primary them.
Do both, so they know why they lost.
It's so other Democrats know why they lost. The message is for them but they won't get it until it starts happening.
Also, if your rep is not on the list, call their office and express your appreciation that they voted to move forward with impeachment.
Sarah McBride voted against the measure that may save her life some day. Way to once again throw trans people under the bus.
Remember these cowards names when they are asking for our votes.
And if they pass a primary vote for them anywars, because they're still better than any GOP even if they didn't hold a third purely symbolic impeachment.
Remember these coward votes when people say Democrats aren't aiding Republicans for the same end goals.
I wish the office came with a mandate that they'd personally have to field constituent calls 4 hours a week.
But like so much else, they aren't going to legislate accountability for themselves.
None from Wisconsin, wtf California?
Thank you. One of my representatives, Gabe Vasquez, is on the list and I messaged him. Funny that he put out a press release condemning the actions of bombing Iran but doesn't want to support impeachment. What a turd.
How is this both senators and House of Representatives?
Was surprised WV wasn't on the list, then realized why and grew even more depressed.
Well, I've just sent emails to the representatives that I could. Probably half of the ones from my state prevented emails from going out because my address didn't fall in their district.
I don't see my representative on there, thankfully.
Does anyone have a link to which Democrats voted in support of the impeachment?
This Newsweek article only shows dissenters.
Edit: found it: https://clerk.house.gov/Votes/2025175
Reminder that you can also do this if your rep voted against tabling to express support for what they're doing and they they're representing you well.
I looked up the ones in my state, and I'm just gobsmacked at how fucking ugly the districts are. I know gerrymandering is bad, but when I actually have to see it... /puke
Fuck Nancy Pelosi I swear to God
TBH they're representing my interests pretty well in this case. An impeachment trial would have just been a huge waste of time unless 20 Republican Senators joined the 47 DNC caucus to remove Trump and I can tell you right now with a 99.9% certainty that wasn't going to happen.
Every politician over 50 besides Bernie needs to be 'retired'
Can’t state this enough. Reboot our entire government
Suddenly 99 JD Vances in the Senate.
All that does is make a whole new generation of politicians become attached to their privileges.
Depend how the retirement goes politician of today have nothing to fear we need the cult of luigi to start the luigining
I don't understand what this comment means. The alternative is to... let them serve until they're 80-90 years old? We need younger politicians who are personally invested in the future of this country and the planet. And term limits. We need them both.
You're advocating a reset without a change to the underlying system. Expecting a different outcome is insanity.
Meanwhile, you're advocating doing nothing
Am I? Please copy/paste that bit.
Don't be coy, people are pushing for change and all you have to say in response is that the fundamental systems are still in place.
No shit, but your revolution won't come from sitting around and waiting for it to start.
So that was what I'm advocating, sitting around and waiting? I'd have to ask you again to copy/paste that bit...
You do realize It's not binary, right?, It's not a choice between voting for democrats or sitting around waiting.
Did I say I didn't want to change the system? But it's literally impossible to do if we let these old, entrenched politicians stay in power.
Yea, an actually democratic system needs to be implemented first! And we would solve that too via that step, very few democrats would survive if an actual choice were to be given to the people!
He should have no privilege for that.
"If it won't be successful, then work against it instead of showing support!"
Dems
This is one of those times where the Dems are trying to quiet the kid provoking the moronic yet excitable school dean.
Warm fuzzy feelings are good. Actual results are far better.
Trying and trying again to improve the odds of success are better than shooting yourself in the dick if you don't expect to succeed.
Have fun with that. Even if Dems somehow manage to regain control I expect they’ll be just as impotent as they were 2021-2023, doing little to nothing fixing/undoing this mess, much less making any actual PROGRESS. Why do I think this do you ask? Because it’s what they ALWAYS do.
Taking the black pill is worse than useless
This accomplished neither. This showed support for his blatant constitutional violations
This certainly won't embolden diddy Don. Dumbass
Which did we get in this case? Seems like neither to me.
I mean, an Impeachment trial without any possibility of removal seems pretty pointless, yeah. It takes 67 Senators to remove. The DNC with caucus have 47. They probably don't even have enough votes to pass a simple majority purely symbolic impeachment, much less removal from office.
The Democratic party has always just been another branch of the wealthy. Neoliberalism is a cancer that really kicked into gear when Heritage Foundation-backed president Ronald Reagan came into office. Obama (I believe in his second term) said that back in the 80s, he would have been considered a moderate Republican.
Looks like there are 212 Democrat reps in the house, which puts it at a large majority which would rather “not cause a fuss” or whatever the fuck excuse they’re trying to bullshit this time.
Useless people. Worthless people.
It's not about not wanting to cause a fuss. It's just a losing impeachment that people don't want to attach their names to, probably the weakest attempt so far because so many Democrat presidents have acted in the same way. Precedent isn't nothing.
One, doubt. Two, you take that entire excuse and shove it waaaay up your ass.
I wasn't talking about the entirety of Trump's actions, just the military actions he took without congressional approval which has been essentially every military action in my life regardless of which party was in power - and that's what this whole round of impeachment talks was about, this time.
Regarding shoving this up my ass, I'm not into butt stuff but feel free to shove anything that strikes your fancy up your own ass if you like.
What exactly do you think the outcome would be if the house successfully initiated an impeachment?
128 Democrats join House Republicans to defend fascist dictator
But they impeached him before, so their stance is that he got better and is no longer a threat to democracy?
They just don't feel the need to hide anymore. Most of your "Democrats" are just Republicans with a different paint job.
They are just Republicans that aren't comfortable rounding up minorities into camps. They are cool if Republicans want to do it, but they are afraid of being associated with it for now
Also, the lobbies need their strawmen in both parties
Their stance is Trump came out of his two impeachments politically stronger than he went into them, and unless
1420 GOP Senators decide to switch their allegiance all of a sudden the act of impeachment is practically useless.Edit: I fucked up the math, thanks commenter
Plus since the proceedings were guaranteed to fail (even setting aside the party votes, while Trump has committed many constitutional violations, this one is shared by several of his predecessors and was an especially stupid thing to hinge an impeachment vote on - doubly so because it's not technically a violation until 60 days have passed), all they'd accomplish is burning a substantial amount of political will (something the Democratic party is severely lacking in) to... accomplish nothing but making Donald even worse? He already attacks Democratic states that have shown relatively minor opposition; if their representatives supported impeachment then life could suddenly become a lot harder for their constituents. Unless you're an accelerationist it was a bad idea all around.
(I should note I don't support this rationale - cowardly appeasement has never worked - but I can understand it, at least in theory. I'm mostly pissed that they pulled this stunt on such a flimsy pretext when there were plenty of rock-solid justifications to base an impeachment on)
He needs to be impeached for his flagrant violations of the Posse Commitatus act, but that was more than a week ago, so nobody remembers.
It takes 2/3 of voting senators to remove him. That doesn't need to be 67 if some of them abstain, resign, are recalled, or are otherwise unwilling or incapable of casting a vote.
"He learned his lesson" I guess
It's not about how much of a threat he is, but it's about the friends we made along the way.
Primary. Every. Single. One.
a P.E.S.O. for president Taco's followers, good pitch
One taco? That'll be 128 PESOs.
Edit: that's about 6€ or $7.50 USD. These must be LA tacos.
Never had French tacos before, are we talking poutine french or France french?
Los Angeles tacos, but I'd be game for a poutine taco if I ever dare to set foot in North America again.
I have full faith that if the DNC had the votes to remove trump, which is 67 senators and a house majority, then they would go through with this impeachment trial.
They have 47 Senators with caucus. This was never going to accomplish anything, and I'm glad we're saving this for later.
Why save it for later? Because it would impede Congress from accomplishing its business? But it's a Republican controlled Congress that's hell-bent on passing more aspects of Project 2025. So obstruction is really the only play available for the Dems.
If the shoe were on the other foot, McConnell or Gingrich would have held that brake pedal to the floor. Even though we all know there will be no personal consequences, it's a method of Delay, Deny, Defend against the handover to fascism.
Laws pass through congress almost every day, on the 23rd this month the senate passed 13 bills including one that removed the requirement for Alaskan Native Villages to convey land in trust to the state while conducting business. We need a congress even if we don't like the budget bill, the really bad stuff gets filibustered anyways.
Aid must go through congress, arming our allies like Ukraine must go through congress, limiting state's powers must go through congress. Even fucking USPS distribution centers and offices go through congress.
Even if you hold the impeachment trial with no consequences, it comes off to the general public, who a plurality voted for Trump or majority voted for Trump or stayed home, as being unfair and heavily biased so it won't gain any votes in the midterms either.
I am not. There should be an impeachment for every high crime, of which there have been a lot already. The Senate will convict eventually.
Maybe need to wait for blue midterms before getting the ball rolling.
They could have abstained then. Would have had the same practical outcome, but they would not have sent the signal of support to Trump. Also if they had voted in favor it would have shown unity and dedication to fight Trump, something that would have gotten a lot of disgruntled voters back. Instead they made sure to prove that they have learned nothing from the elections and they would rather concede power to Fascism unopposed than stop being murderous imperialists.
I could be wrong but I think Impeachment votes follow voting majority rules, not yeas against totals.
This impeachment is political ammunition, we shouldn't shoot our shot without any chance of nailing our target.
I thought the elected representatives get to vote on every issue that is raised. Do they have a limited amount of votes in the US?
No, they don't have to be present at all and when they are present then they have the option to vote Yea, Nay, or Abstain. I'm saying if only 50 people in the house vote total and 26 of them vote yea then depending on the nature of the vote it can pass.
Guillotine Party
Republicans first (after a fair trial of course), then maybe these guys too.
"Guillotine Party" is to the Democrats what the Tea Party was to Republicans: a complete overhaul from the inside out.
Get ready to learn what the dems are willing to do to stop any kind of left insurgency within the party.
Unless the next major fashion craze is the "Kevlar Turtleneck", I dont think it particularly matters what they do.
Okay but if you don't remove 20 Republicans then it still accomplishes nothing. 67 Senators needed to remove Trump from office.
… are you seriously implying that any gains the party makes are pointless if they don’t hit the 2/3rds threshold?
I’d sit this one out if I were you, take the time to brush up on politics and critical thinking.
On the topic of Impeachment, yes, it means fuck all to primary these congressmen over not holding a silly ritual with no real consequences.
Ditto for anything that requires a constitutional amendment or defeating filibuster like undoing citizens united or passing medical for all. We need to Remove the GOP, not just get better DNC.
“A silly ritual with no real consequences”
… aside from
Again, you’re another person who needs some lessons on politics and procedure before commenting.
Note: my bad, you’re still the same under educated, unqualified commenter as before.
You’ve had your chance to get better, bye troll.
Good luck convincing anybody of anything, you're going to need it.
"Why do people downvote my posts before reading each one?"
Idk what you mean, I read before I downvoted you.
Ah so you've just been trolling this whole time and don't actually have the worst take on literally every subject.
Do any of your replies ever have anything to do with the comment above them?
Heres some takes you can feel free to publicly disagree with:
Dictatorships are an offense to humanity and the largest threat to our future.
All people deserve opportunity for happiness and prosperity regardless of socioeconomic or ethnic background.
We should tax the rich such that billionaires don't exist.
Reform should be the only goal of incarceration, which means providing the needs of inmates to accomplish that. Private Prisons should not exist.
When you say "racism is bad" or stuff like this to show how moderate you are, nobody disagrees with you. But then your dig in your heels about absolutely absurd bullshit.
You're expecting people to give each comment the benefit of the doubt. Lemmy is small and you've made a reputation for yourself.
I'm sorry that you don't agree that being against racism is a progressive stance.
Sorry but not surprised. Pretty standard for you Tankies.
128 democrats are actually Republicans,
America is slowly learning both sides have the same goals.
But muh "bOtH sIdEs!"
Both sides being the Right and Center-Right.
Of course the Left has no room at the table for any of this.
Only because you didn't vote for them! If you had voted dir them they would have behaved totally differently!!1!
Unlike all the other times you did vote for themand they did this exact same shit. this one's different, don't be such a child. If you don't fall in line and lick the boot of the liberal co-conspirators, it will be entirely your fault when ice shows up to take you to the camps.
Edit: also mine because i snitched on you. But that's actually your fault too; HOA rules say a family living in your attic is not allowed. You need to stop justifying your rule breaking with 'fighting fascism'.
New American dream will be being sent to a comfortable and more upscale prison camp.
"I hear if youre a small business owner they send you to one of them white collar camps"
There is a new website tracking whether politicians will go on the record to be against bribery.
I wonder if they will note this?
https://www.broad-center.com/
I hate questions like this. Because for conservatives, taking bribes isn't an exclusionary issue. They would vote for the literal Antichrist if it meant they could oppress someone.
Sure they might care that their particular conservative representative not take bribes but if that representative took bribes but was also racist, they are going to vote for them.
It is the lowest possible bar. If anyone can’t get over that, voters should at least know.
God your country is fucked.
Put him in a bigger peach this time, so he can't get out
Bigpeachment
Here's the full list of House Democrats who voted to table the impeachment articles.
Ro Khanna, Hakeem Jeffries and of course Nancy Pelosi.
Welp There it is, on record, Both sides are the same.
Reaching obvious conclusions based on observations in reality is tankie shit, please refrain from doing so.
Representative Mike Lawler, a New York Republican, wrote on X: "This is absurd on its face. The United States has not declared war since 1942 and has conducted over 125 different military actions since that time, including in Korea, Vietnam, the Gulf, Afghanistan, and Iraq. Presidents of both parties have relied on Article II authority, as well as AUMFs [Authorizations for Use of Military Force], to conduct targeted strikes and have not been subject to impeachment. In 2011, Barack Obama conducted an 8 month campaign in Libya to topple Gaddafi."
We should have never been involved in any of that shit since WW2. 125 bad decisions don't justify an additional bad decision.
I agree on most, however I'd say the Korean War was a net benefit to the US, Korea and the region.
How so? By dividing Korea and ensuring permanent US military presence? Because South Korea was and to some extent still is quite authoritarian and massacred a lot of democracy protestors over the past 80 years.
The Korea war ended with two authoritarian states, as they keep being at arms with each other.
If there hadn't been outside meddling maybe we would have a unified, strong and peaceful Korea.
Also, if we decided it was a good idea, then it should have been decided by Congress! Presidential overreach has been a huge issue for decades, Democran and Republicat alike. Fuck our congress. They are not doing their jobs.
They always bring up Obama and Libya. Which was a joint NATO led coalition after a UN passed resolution. Not that it helped, but it is not close to Trump's bombing of Iran. Not even close.
TL;DR: We can't hold them accountable for their crimes, because they might try to hold us accountable for the same crimes.
This is the crux of this issue.
This is actually a good argument, but the problem is that the other side don't give a dick about rationality, the rule of law or anything that looks like a coherent political opinion. Democrats are still trying to win using rules that were thrown out the window by the GOP in January.
Better take: It was wrong when Obama did it, how about we send him to the Hague right after Trump and Biden?
What. The. Fuck?
#GuillotineParty
Is there a list of names? Because if any of my reps show up on this list, I will never vote for them again.
I don't want these fucking dinosaurs running the goddamn party anymore. I want some progressives with teeth who have the backbone to fight the fascists head on. I don't care how petty or how low they have to get, I want to see them at least try.
https://clerk.house.gov/evs/2025/roll175.xml
Thanks. My guy ain't on there, luckily. But geez, there's a shocking number of CA representatives who voted Aye.
I hate this political party so much. Not as much as the Republican party, but enough to make me want to quit following politics because it seems like nothing will ever meaningfully change.
Holy Archaic site!
It's beautiful
Both Dem reps from Indiana voted
nayagainst impeachment. I can's say I am surprised, but I am disappointed.For reasons I don't understand, "nay" means for it and "yea" against. AOC voted "nay."
It's because the vote was on a motion to table (stop persuing) the impeachment
Okay, I figured it must have been something like that.
You are right, my bad. Fixed it
Guillotine Party
https://clerk.house.gov/Votes/2025175
But vote blue no matter who!!!
this but unironically
Well that was nice of them to make a list of who wants to be primaried
Oh yeah, and all of these 128 Democrats will be very disappointed about something evil that the chertondoes later and "wish they would have voted differently"
Fuck all of them
Traitors, every last one
Still "both sides are not the same"? Even if Democrats have slight majority in both or either houses, they still dilute policies to appease the fascists from stonewalling. Meanwhile, the fascists legislate every unspeakable evil policies and Democrats don't even try to resist as opposition.
Well yes but they only betray everything we stand for because we didn't fall in line and back them hard enough. If we'd just licked their boots better, they would gave broken from all their previous behavior!
So them viciously betraying you to the fascists is your fault actually.
Vichy Democrats
Damn that's true, same reasonning, same position
Maybe we shouldn't lower our expectations and instead remove everyone from the Democratic party that doesn't meet out expectations.
Wow, you know, this is why the fascists are in power. You fucking commies are the same as the fascists, with your childish expectation of not being stabbed in the back literally every time you turn your back fron your chosen aristocrats for a single second.
You know, maybe, if you people had just fallen in line and betrayed everything you ever stood for and also maybe let us murder a whole bunch of you and send sone of you to the presidential rape dungeons, the dems could have behaved entirely unlike they have at literally any point in living memory, and gently chastised the fascists. But you didn't, you threw a fit instead of voting for kamala 'girlboss' harris, so now we're all going to die, and im going to feel so smug as i watch ICE take you to the concentration camp, knowing that I'm an entire paragraph down in that poem.
Jesus McFucking Christ.
Democrat and republican parties are the same party.
Yep, 2 wings, 1 bird.
there are a ratchet.
one slides smoothly towards fascism, the other one blocks and reform to fix the slide to fascism.
Mostly when it comes to Israel !
Because they're paid for by the same people/PACS. It's only the truly democratic ones that actually represent their constituents that make any sense to me. Oh America. I wish I could see a way out of this mess but the "Supreme" Court (C***s?) seem to be untouchable and they're determined to help your president kill everything your country was built on. What is America without it's constitution?!
Good luck! From a very concerned friend in the UK.
Only because we didn't vote fot them enough! Guys, if we had voted for them they would have fixed all this instead if being like half the problem!
The US is an inescapable hell. I pity the people living there right now.
This goes to show that the problem isn't Trump or the Republicans, the problem is the United States of America. The only way things are going to get better is if America is removed from its position of global power and influence. If you care about fighting fascism and tyranny, you need to boycott American products, refuse to work for American companies and, if you're already working for an American company and can't quit, drop your productivity as far as possible. Do everything in your power to damage the American economy and reduce their power.
How does this fix the government?
Edit: I realized that is a US-centric question. Allow me to modify it.
How does that fix anything?
Just remove the name America from if and we're good to go, because America bad.
You people starting to realize that these 'Democrats' are just in there for the money like Republicans are, you need to clean the party
Really disappointed in my Congress woman, Sarah Elfreth. I wrote her an email and she responded with basically “that’s what they told me to do!”
Gotta share a screenshot of that email if it actually gives any detail, basically confirming the system rigging and complacency from members of said system, send it to some independent journalist or something.
The idea that our government is a representative democracy is a farce. The machine has too much inertia, too much power and money
Reply with "So what is the point of you?"
AOC might be testing the party. She should know who is going to vote for impeachment before the vote.
Apparently there are still majority of congress critters who will ride the horse of greed right into the ground then think they can call a cab.
Profiles In Cowardice
Nobody who said "blue no matter who" in 2024 is allowed to say "what the actual fuck" at this.
The alternative being…? What, third party candidates? Are you kidding? The only alternative to “blue no matter who” is more “red” and as you can see, there is literally zero support from “red” whereas there’s at least a substantial fraction from “blue.”
I don’t think many people who said “blue no matter who” are actually very surprised by this, because the phrase is not coming from die hard supporters, it’s coming from anyone with basic logic skills.
Especially if they tried to blame objectors
Disagree, that's basically saying if you vote in your best interest you can't complain.
What the actual fuck
I was a "blue no matter who", why not?
Or who they deport, or the misogyny, or the racism, or the abandonment of health and science and climate.
Quite an American response.
"If I keep chasing the carrot on a stick, I'm sure they'll let me get it eventually."
This is why America is going to get a totalitarian purge. It's also why it probably deserves one, we're just going to end up doing it reverse to bite it chuckling and moving on with their day like this asshole.
Rep Paul Tonko is one of the NY reps that voted no to impeach. I work 2 blocks from his office and plan to spend my lunch hour every day demonstrating in front of his Albany office. I already called his office to bitch. I've got printed letters that say, "Congratulations, you're a fascist collaborator." Going to be stuffing those in envelopes with glitter and putting one in the mail every single day. Give me your best for my protest signs.
I think "Rep Paul Tonko is a fascist collaborator" works pretty good.
Explicitly request a response in your letters.
Something about a Tonko Truck? Like those Tonka toys. Something there. A Tonko Toy for Trump? With like a Tonka Truck wearing a red hat that says DINO instead of MAGA. People know these things right?
Maybe you can get some inspiration from this, it's not great but I'm like [7] right now.
Maybe have it loaded full of bullshit, or have him driving it.
Or have baby Trump in diapers under a Christmas tree opening up a "Tonko Truck" present.
These things used to be everywhere but I don't know if it's going to make much sense to the youngs.
AIPAC dark money paying for itself thousands of times over.
Unpopular opinion here; but there's no way an impeachment would succeed and a failed impeachment strengthens Trump's position with his base.
I wonder what the reasoning is. Do they really hate the idea of Iran having nukes? Do they really like keeping Israel as an ally? I don't know, as a regular voter, what Israel does for us. They seem very unpopular
It's important for the Jews to control the reigon before the apocalypse can start.
It's the core defining beleif of Evangelical Christians, which the Republican party has been controlling with corrupt pastors since at least the Nixon administration
I wish more people realized this. Fundamentalist "Christians" are some of the most antisemitic people and no one seems to question why they are Israel's biggest backers. They literally believe that keeping Israel in power will make supply side Jesus come and rescue them from the awful progressives who want to make sure everyone has their basic needs provided for.
That first sentence tho. What a twist.
They pay your politicians so that your politicians take your tax money and buy Israel guns with it from your arms companies, who give your politicians money so that your politicians buy their guns and send them to Israel.
They also destabilize a region with hundreds of millions of people, whose countries have vast resources and sit on critical trade routes. If people in West Asia were united, they would quickly move on to become a geopolitical power-house rivaling the EU. if all Muslim countries were to work together, they would be the global superpower.
Oh and of course racism. Lots of racism and murdering brown people. The US and many European countries love that.
Don't forget cheap labor. Central America has fuckall for resources, but we do coups there every time our guy gets deposed because an unstable region means poverty means people willing to work for nothing.
The reasoning is that basically every president in the last 5 decades or so has used the existing laws that generally permit presidents to use military force without first getting congressional approval. If that were unconstitutional then the laws should have been changed, but they're allowed to stand, so it's basically not. It's a bit of a silly thing to try to impeach over. The precedence of that being constitutional is massive.
128 senators show their true republican colours…
This, in a nutshell, is what is wrong with the Democratic Party.
If one of these folks is your rep, CALL their office and ask them why they voted to table the impeachment vote, and let them know you're thinking seriously about not casting a vote for them the next time you have the opportunity.
They know perfectly well who they work for
And it ain't (the collective) you
What the actual fuck is wrong with these idiots?
I knew both sides were bad, but I didn't realize the rot was infested this badly.
They should have done it on day one and continued every day to explain to the public why it is necessary and how he is corrupt and dangerously incompetent if he remains.
He's already been impeached twice in his previous presidency, he shouldn't even be sitting where he's at
The day Americans realized no one was coming to save them 🫂
First of all, this is bullshit - every one of the 128 Democrats needs to be primaried out asap. (which of them are up in midterms?)
Second of all, this is another deliberate swipe at AOC and this will not stand, man.
Thirdly - however. We did this with Gee Dubz in early 2000s. Launching a missile strike without Congress' input was already hashed out, and the president can do it. They did it by some bullshit where "going to war" is a whole seal, stamp, and magic incantation hullaballoo. If you remember Hillary voting for the Iraq War II, that was what that was about - they got to a point where Gee Dubz time had run out and he would either have to cut the shit or Congress would have to let him do it. Yes, Dems ate shit back then too, yes. NOT ALL - we had AOCs back then too. But the old ones were "only" sixty back then.
Fourthly - this was never going to go anywhere because we'd need 20 House republiQans to give up their lucrative careers to join in the effort which would then die in the Senate again.
And Lastly - I don't know what 128 Democrats got for what will be costly to them personally, but it was something. Was it worth it? Let's make sure it was not.
all of them are up in the midterms, these are congressmen, they only serve 2 year terms. fuck them, primary out these asshats.
You are correct - including 33 Senate seats (including Susan Collins).
Know Your Primaries! If this doesn't get you to look up who's running, what will?
I think your fourth point is what frustrates me the most. This was a symbolic vote and they couldn't even do that.
And rightfully so. My question is - what did they get for it? Did the DNC ask for it in exchange for something, or did the republiQans ask for it in exchange for something? Or, because we are where we are, did they just do it because they're that awful?
I think the prevailing sentiment is the latter on here, but in the world of politics every vote is a bartering tool.
You're wrong. They did vote symbolically. They voted to support Trump and his actions.
They are not on your side.
Despicable. The Democrats are a shell of what they used to be. How fucking pathetic, but also expected.
Time to vote 'em out, folks! Eyes on 2026 & 2028, if we make it that far!
Why people keep thinking the democrats will ever be more than passive bystanders to corruption and greed. They benefit regardless who's in charge as long as it's not left of them
Sounds like some independents are about to be entering office. The people need to stick it to these paid traitors. They get paid a fuckton more than you with your tax dollars and then take money from special interest groups on top of that to fuck you over some more. Are you getting your money's worth America? Get these assholes out of office and put in some actual difference makers. The founding fathers are rolling in their graves watching what the country has become. Shame on all of you. Kick these losers to the curb.
He's still useful to Israel. Bibi has some Raytheon catalog pages he circled items on.
This just shows all of them are complicit. Democrats and republicans, all same shit.
Make no mistake. This is a game of politics. Nothing more. They're not doing anything other than playing a wicked and degenerate game of human chess. They don't care about anything other than their bottom line. They're basically saying fuck the American people how can I personally benefit from this!
Primary them all.
This is so messed up.
Fucking seriously??? These assholes could finally do something and the roll over. Pieces of shit.
They had no chance of passing it so they're not even going to protest vote I guess. I can't come up with any good reason why they're doing this. They're kissing T's ass at the Hague today when he should be there on trial. Maybe they're just going to publicly fall in line.
I am so cynical already that i laughted out loud reading it.
You cant convince me otherwise but that this world is a TV show for the gods!
Hop on Netflix and watch the one season of Kaos, with Jeff Goldbm. it's pretty great.
Nah
All I'm saying is that we need more Zohrans, in every city.
What is there NOT to impeach?
asdf
Huh?! But it's clear grounds for impeachment! I hope everyone starts flooding their inboxes and phone lines...
I'm confused as to what's different about this situation? Why is this an impeachable offense, but Biden bombing Yemen wasn't? Or Trump 1.0 bombing Syria? Or Obama bombing and drone striking all sorts of places that weren't Iraq or Afghanistan?
Nobody tried to impeach a president before for taking unilateral non-Congressional-approved military actions, so I'm not clear on what makes this different?
My understanding is that for the US to go to war, it needs to be passed in Congress. Trump bombing Iran last week was not passed through Congress and is an act that can get him impeached, is also my understanding.
As for the previous events, my assumption was that it was passed by Congress. But if not, then... That's a failure of your own system and I can't really say anything other than that.
your assumptions are wrong. we haven't been at war since wwii
Democrats are the enemy as well at this point. They are in no way interested in stopping Trump. They are complicit just as Republicans and the media.
Cowards the lot of them. I'm sure as well having AOC at the forefront the majority of the useless Elissa Slotkin-style useless libs squashed this out of spite
You people are a disgrace.
People on Lemmy, or Americans, or Democrats...?
Just remember many liberals try to tell the democratic party is different than the republican party. Just remember both are bought by PACS and oligarchs
This is what you get when you vOtE bLuE nO mAtTeR wHo
We’re so fucked.
Here's the voting record to "table this discussion" a yay means against impeachment.
https://clerk.house.gov/Votes/2025175
And the congressional record. https://www.congress.gov/congressional-record/volume-171/issue-108/house-section/article/H2906-2
This is the roll call of the motion to table the impeachment. It's listed by alphabetical last name, but you can find your reps in there.
Name and shame each one.
I am going to point to this every time i get told to vote blue no matter who, or when i am told i am not allowed to criticize the Democratic Party because republicans exist.
But still, even when you go to more politically aware places (like lemmy), you'll get mocked for suggesting America is rules by a uniparty when it comes to American inperialism. It's unbelievably fucking stupid.
There are probably a dozen things they could (and should) impeach Trump for. This isn't actually one of them. Presidents are authorized to do air strikes.
The left is usually not as ignorant of the facts as the right, but this is one of those cases where the left is ignoring the facts. The President has authorization from Congress to do limited military action. Should all of the Presidents before been impeached for doing similar one-off air strikes? Seems you want to impeach Trump based on dumb memes about this being the start of WWIII rather it being an air strike.
Did Obama get impeached for sending a SEAL Team into Pakistan without getting authorization from congress?
Also Iran does in fact have a nuclear weapons program. The civilian reactor is supplied Uranium from Russia that's already enriched to around 5% which is what you use for civilian energy generation. Iran had Uranium enriched to 60% which isn't useful for civilian reactors and none of the Uranium enriched in Iran is used in their one civilian nuclear reactor. The UN has reported that Iran is keeping secrets from them and there's been an increase in their Uranium enrichment, which again is entirely a weapons program, the uranium for civilian use comes from Russia.
So congratulations, instead of impeaching Trump for doing all of the corruption, or for deploying Marines on US soil without authorization, or for falsely declaring everything an emergency so he can do stupid tariff stuff, you've created a narrative that the left tried to impeach him for protecting Americans from the "Death to America" country's nuclear weapons. I guess the left is fine with the corruption and deploying the military within the US, but only take action to come to the defense of the Ayatollah's nuclear weapons program.
The left only seems to want to attack Trump when they have non-existent chance of winning or even convincing anyone of their position. On issues where the left has a strong case, they do nothing.
war is profit. would you expect any less from these monsters?
Well, obviously. Did everyone just collectively forget that the constitution allows for a president to take military action without congressional approval for 90 days? What he did was clearly the wrong move, but I'm pretty sure it's constitutional. Honestly, the problem is the constitution itself.
The constitution allows for no such thing. The constitution is pretty crystal clear that only the congress can declare war.
The congress passed a law saying the president can take military action that then comes under review by the congress. The President can do that without a declaration of war.
This power the president has is one granted by the legislature not by the constitution.
Okay, so I was wrong about the particulars. But, the president does have the power to take military actions. Just like he did.
Might as well let trump win. Maybe a few more assassinations will wake the dems up.
This is a train wreck from beginning to end, with only one winner: Trump.
It was stupid to call for an impeachment vote in the first place, because it had zero chance to succeed. It's quite lame as a symbolic gesture too, because a failure is a failure in the books no matter what the intentions are. And you put your own party members in a position where they can only lose either way. This is terrible from a political strategy standpoint unless your explicit goal is to divide the party, which in turn weakens the party even more. A sad and unnecessary shit show all the way. The only hope left is that Trump dies laughing.
Eh, splitting the party (or at least exposing the division within the party) is a long shot, but it's really the only productive way forward if the Democrats want to actually change and fix things. Repeatedly exposing Democrats that vote against the people's interests is the most surefire way to get those Democrats voted out and replaced with more progressive candidates. Failing that, breaking away from the Democratic party and forming a new more progressive party isn't the worst long-term option, even if it (probably) won't be very effective in the near-term.
What the god damn fuck?
Elon sent them a private message on Xitter that said he will fabricate evidence of them texting minors, or the donors are threatening them with pulling campaign funds.
Seems an own goal. It's not like it was going to pass anyway, since every single republican unsurprisingly turned it down.
for all his talks, Ted Lieu still doesnt have the balls to impeach.
I'm sure to get dumped on for saying this but ya'll need to chill out. President's generally have authority to carry out military strikes. I can't think of one in my lifetime that didn't bomb somebody without congressional approval beforehand. Declaring war is a different matter but all the differences and nuances and where exactly the lines are, is not something courts have ever really figured out.
This impeachment resolution specifically said he declared war and he should be impeached because it's Congress' job to declare war. That's the entirety of the complaint. It's short. And it's lazy. He didn't declare war. He certainly risked starting a war, but he didn't declare one. Democrats would have looked stupid for impeaching him for something he didn't actually do and it would have failed just on the language alone. It did fail. And it should have.
All this 'democrats are traitors' or 'they're supporting fascism' or 'stabbing us in the back' is crazy. They put forth a really bad impeachment resolution and it got shot down. You should be mad at AOC and Green for putting up a horrible impeachment resolution. It probably looked better last week when it looked like a real war might happen, but I don't see anything impeachable here. If there is something, it's deep and nuanced, it's something that no one has ever agreed on the interpretation of, it's something that Congress has let Presidents get away with for decades.
We're not getting rid of this asshole by persuading the public that he disobeyed some highly nuanced technicality that nobody even agrees on. Shit, I'm getting sleepy just thinking about listening to a congressional hearing on it.
I'm sorry I know this impeachment is important to all your emotional needs after feeling bullied and all, but it would be extremely helpful to Trump.
Bear with me please. Here's how impeachment actually works:
See the last two impeachments. There's no way this works well. American democracy sucks, but realize it's a game. You can't win at poker by playing every hand, no matter how much you deserve to win. Impeachment is a 2-7 off suit. Fold it on sight.
Isn't it WFD? Worker families party?
Follow the money; https://www.trackaipac.com/congress
Are they trying to avoid JP Mandel becoming president?
I imagine there are significantly more complex concerns the representatives are navigating than the reductive assessments being presented here.
For example, the voter base has clearly demonstrated they are morons and SOME of the reps may reside in more moderate districts with split ticket voting. If they know it is a mathematical impossibility why would they waste political capital and open themselves up for midterm attack ads.
While you and I, or anyone with more intellectual capacity than a goldfish realize the danger of Trump, they may also want to ensure when they support impeachment, they do it for an issue that has more broad support of public opinion.
I often see reductive assessments of political behavior that lack any attempt to consider measured approaches within a given context, even historically. Hindsight is 20/20 and there are often many moving parts aside from what you or I feel is the correct thing to do.
It's funny. When the impeachment attempt was announced, it was roundly condemned by Very Serious Leftists as useless and, in fact, targeting Trump for something that was not actually illegal, and thus more proof of Dem complicity by engaging in 'pointless' symbolic action instead of 'real' interference.
And now that most Dem reps seem to agree with this position, many of those same Very Serious Leftists regard not supporting the impeachment attempt also as proof of Dem complicity.
Realizing id pay a monthly fee for a reddit like app that filters out politics and news in general I want to be ignorant and live and die for entertainment, what religion would this be
Is that your policy? Sorry bub, even abstaining is a political stance.
do you even have a single hobby or interest outside of politics, isnt the point of polititics to protect your interests
I'm gonna disagree here. The impeachment resolution was a dumb idea, and should not have been introduced. It was never going to be successful. The more impeachment resolutions are introduced and fail, either in the house or Senate, the less likely they are to ever succeed. It looks more like boring partisan messaging, and less like an extraordinary situation. Introducing this resolution makes it less likely that Trump will be removed from office, not more.
I'm not going to take a position on whether it was a good idea to vote against it, that's more debatable, but as a message to their fellow Democrats they are right that the resolution was a terrible idea.
Thanks, Chuck
I don't know what's the fuzz is all about
They know you guys will vote blue no matter who
You know you will do it. Hell you all will eat shit if the Dems tell you to
It's basically a pure distilled nothing burger with virtue signaling fries on the side
Almost 400 million Americans still think walking will fix this.
Impeachment over bombing Iran was a stupid move, it was technically legal. If you want any chance of success you need to pick something more than "Trump is a big fat doodoo head."
I don't know why you're getting downvoted, this is the real reason.
In the wake of 9/11, Congress issued a broad, many would say overly broad, Authorization for the Use of Military Force that basically granted the Office of the President open-ended permission for any conceivable martial escapade he might want in the Middle East. Every President of the 21st century has used this as the legal justification for meting destruction onto that part of the world: for the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, bombings in Syria, Libya, Somalia, Yemen, and Pakistan, as well as our little-publicized offensive in Northeast Africa.
Due to this, what Trump did is legal. Unfortunately it seems people just want to shoot the messenger now if they say something they disagree with, even if they're correct.
I 100% support removing Trump from power through impeachment and absolutely think he's a threat to democracy, but throwing bullshit articles of impeachment at him over and over just galvanizes his base when he continually shrugs them off.
I think someone elsewhere posted that that authorization was cancelled. The real reason is the war powers act, all a president has to do is tell Congress within 48 hours, the tweet is probably good enough as it was ruled an official communication source in his last term.
It was a useless impeachment attempt anyway. If Trump wins the Nobel peace prize for this, how much merit would an impeachment hold regarding said incident?
Pretty ridiculous. Now you're just grasping for anything to stick.
Presidents don't always need approval for military actions, just ask Obama, Biden, Clinton.
It'd be a waste of money. 128 Democrats realized that. You just want him impeached because you hate him no matter what he does.
He can solve world peace and you'd still hate him. Oh wait......
He was nominated, not awarded, and that nomination was rescinded in under 24 hours.
I do agree that this Iran shit isn't impeachable. Congress gave the president 60 days to take unilateral military action, which is fucking stupid, but stupidity is all that comes out of congress nowadays.
Donald trump should have been impeached and barred from office during his first term. Every impeachment (but this one) he's faced was warranted and its a fucking travesty some people put their party over country.
This impeachment isn't warranted, and I say this one who believes we need to leave the middle east the fuck alone.
I'm not saying chill out about the attack, I'm saying chill out about the impeachment vote. It was a failure from the start. Democrats aren't fascist for voting against it. The only real effect of voting against it is that it saved us two months of republican's soundbites about how "trump derangement syndrome is so bad it's making them want to take away the ability to defend America" and shit like that.
This wasn't the resistance we were looking for. The Dems picked a subject that wasn't particular to this President.
Intentionally wasted impeachment effort. Green is the bad guy here, I wonder what he was thinking. AOC was doing the job of opposition, getting people to focus on the bombing and think about its legitimacy
What are they wasting? Time spent on the 'big beautiful bill' that they have no say in?
Losing an impeachment vote doesn't count against the next attempt. Attempting over and over would show they have spines and are at least attempting to hold Trump accountable. Not holding conservatives accountable is killing support for the Dems, actually trying would help to motivate the base.
It gives a talking point that the Dems are just frivolously trying to impeach Trump. If you say you don't care about messaging, you're not playing the game right.
There's been lots of impeachable shit that came before this that is truly outrageous and they should have impeached over (sending Marines to California?), but this is the same kind of action that many presidents, Democrat and Republican, have taken in the past and it hardly seemed it was going to be successful.
But hey, you keep on falling for their fake, token "opposition" and blaming people who don't toe the line. How's that working for you?
Meanwhile, Zohran Mamdani.
It also gives a talking point that Dems are cowardly fucks who won't even try if they think they might fail.
Ok
I want them throwing the goddamn spaghetti plate. I want to see them acting with the same urgent desire to prosecute and harass Trump as the Republicans have to prosecute anyone who isn't a rich, white, straight man. Don't go into the darkness with dignity; get unhinged, motherfuckers! The republic is already dead, we are marching into dictatorship, the time for high roading is over.