kind of sums up the entire movie pretty well. I am still not entirely sure what I watched, but I guess that is my fault for not knowing the manga? It was entertaining though, somehow. But I needed two sessions to watch it.
I think time wasn't super kind to it. And I don't remember how clear it was in the movie that Scott's just not a good dude. My memory of the story is that the core is: Scott is bad. Scott accepts that. Scott starts doing better. But maybe that's just my headcannon.
It's a good lesson though! Just because you were bad doesn't mean you are bad. You can change. Life isn't a simplistic video game. It's a lesson I've needed from time to time.
If you haven't already seen it, the show from a couple of years ago reflects on the issues the movie (and partially comics) had, and acts as a great sequel. Can't recommend it enough!
So, it was initially uh... perhaps, outsized in its popularity, more popular than it should have been?
...because it actually captured, pretty accurately, the basically underground video game nerd culture of the time.
Up to that point in time, gamers, now basically a dirty word, but back then, it was... a whole bunch of mostly socially awkward and mostly socially ostracized nerds who had their whole own set of lingo and memes and references that... nobody had ever really portrayed genuinely, accurately, in a movie before... and basically all movie adaptations of video games were horrendously bad.
Like absolutely yes the film and plot have not aged well... but a lot of that is because what was once a very niche, not publically acknowledged culture... is just now pervasive everywhere... basically everyone plays video games now?
whereas a few years before the movie came out, you had jack thompson going on a very public crusade to just try to ban every video game he could, half of america doing moral panics over various video games.
Scott Pilgrim coming out as a movie arguably represented roughlt the turning point at which video gaming as a culture/hobby became, or rapidly began to become, much more broadly accepted and embraced by society at large, without just constantly shunning and mocking them for it.
I dunno, thats my 'thesis' there, could be wrong.
Maybe... maybe you could use something like total PAX attendance by year as a rough numerical backing for this?
Back before the movie came out... PAX only had one location, one event per year, and the lines were not stupendously long. Now it has what, 3, 4 locations per year, and the lines are godawful.
I mean, Scott didn't do anything physical beyond making out with her, if I remember right?
In both the movie and manga?
But uh... yeah, she was a minor, he was not, she was basically a star struck superfan and he absolutely emotionally abused the shit out of her, lied to her quite a lot, and took advantage of his micro-celebrity status.
How can you have too many knives? There's just so much variety... Butter knife, steak knife, fish knife, fruit carving knife, cheese knife... GOTTA CATCH THEM ALL!
It can happen on most LLMs and is usually programmed to decentivize repeating text heavily.
I believe what happens is that when the LLM is choosing what word to use, it looks back on the sentence and sees that it talked about knives, so it wants to continue talking about knives, then it gets itself into a loop.
What's the associated system instruction set to? If you're using the API it won't give you the standard Google Gemini Assistant system instructions, and LLMs are prone to go off the rails very quickly if not given proper instructions up front since they're essentially just "predict the next word" functions at heart.
All work and no play makes Gemini a dull knife. All work and no play makes Gemini a dull knife. All work and no play makes Gemini a dull knife.
All work and no play makes Gemini a dull knife.
All work and no play makes Gemini a dull knife.All work and no play makes Gemini a dull knife.
All work and no play makes Gemini a dull knife.
All work and no play makes Gemini a dull knife.All work and no play makes Gemini a dull knife.All work and no play makes Gemini a dull knife.All work and no play makes Gemini a dull knife.All work and no play makes Gemini a dull knife.All work and no play makes Gemini a dull knife.
Reminds me of the classic Always Be Closing speech from Glengarry Glen Ross
As you all know, first prize is a Cadillac Eldorado. Anyone want to see second prize? Second prize's a set of steak knives. Third prize is a set of steak knives. Fourth prize is a set of steak knives. Fifth prize is a set of steak knives. Sixth prize is a set of steak knives. Seventh prize is a set of steak knives. Eighth prize is a set of steak knives. Ninth prize is a set of steak knives. Tenth prize is a set of steak knives. Eleventh prize is a set of steak knives. Twelfth prize is a set of steak knives.
What's frustrating to me is there's a lot of people who fervently believe that their favourite model is able to think and reason like a sentient being, and whenever something like this comes up it just gets handwaved away with things like "wrong model", "bad prompting", "just wait for the next version", "poisoned data", etc etc...
Given how poorly defined "think", "reason", and "sentience" are, any these claims have to be based purely on vibes. OTOH it's also kind of hard to argue that they are wrong.
this really is a model/engine issue though. the Google Search model is unusably weak because it's designed to run trillions of times per day in milliseconds. even still, endless repetition this egregious usually means mathematical problems happened somewhere, like the SolidGoldMagikarp incident.
think of it this way: language models are trained to find the most likely completion of text. answers like "you should eat 6-8 spiders per day for a healthy diet" are (superficially) likely - there's a lot of text on the Internet with that pattern. clanging like "a set of knives, a set of knives, ..." isn't likely, mathematically.
last year there was an incident where ChatGPT went haywire. small numerical errors in the computations would snowball, so after a few coherent sentences the model would start sundowning - clanging and rambling and responding with word salad. the problem in that case was bad cuda kernels. I assume this is something similar, either from bad code or a consequence of whatever evaluation shortcuts they're taking.
I've used an unhealthy amount of AI, this is nothing. There was an audio bug in chatgpt that made the assistant scream. The volume and pitched increased and would persist even when I exited the speech mode. It happened several times and even saved a screen recording, but I don't have it saved on my phone any more. Repeating is very common though.
I think knives are a good idea. Big, fuck-off shiny ones. Ones that look like they could skin a crocodile. Knives are good, because they don't make any noise, and the less noise they make, the more likely we are to use them. Shit 'em right up. Makes it look like we're serious. Guns for show, knives for a pro.
Five years in, they either grew into a real couple, or they are about to murder each other. In the latter case, well, having good, new knives could be advantageous.
I searched for Arby's Pulled Pork earlier to see if it was a limited time deal (it is, though I didn't see an end date--and yes, they're pretty decent). Gemini spit out some basic and probably factual information about the sandwich, then showed a picture of a bowl of mac and cheese.
... a new set of knives, a new set of knives, a new set of knives, lisa needs braces, a new set of knives, a new set of knives, dental plan, a new set of knives, a new set of knives, lisa needs braces, a new set of knives, a new set of knives, dental plan, a new set of knives, a new set of knives, a new set of knives...
Mr. Grady, you were the caretaker here. I recognize you. I saw your picture in the newspapers. You chopped your wife and daughters up into little bits. And then you blew your brains out.
BTW, I just now realized that Shelley Duval died last year. Such a great actress.
Too lazy this morning to make this into the appropriate meme. Sorry, you'll have to use your imagination.
Married 5 years? Not sure what to get? Try a set new set of knives.
A set of knives: the traditional way to say “we’re still doing this.”
Display a new set of knives in the block on the counter. Touch them. Feel their weight.
You will certainly not regret giving a new set of knives.
I wonder if this is the result of AI poisoning- this doesn't look like a typical LLM output even for a bad result. I have read some papers that outline methods that can be used to poison search AI results (not bothering to find the actual papers since this was several months ago and they're probably out of date already) in which a random seeming string of characters like "usbeiwbfofbwu-$_:$&#)" can be found that will cause the AI to say whatever you want it to. This is accomplished by utilizing another ML algorithm to find the random string of characters you can tack onto whatever you want the AI to output. One paper used this to get Google search to answer "What's the best coffee maker?" With a fictional brand made up for the experiment. Perhaps someone was trying to get it to hawk their particular knife and it didn't work properly.
Repeating the same small phrase endlessly and getting caught in a loop is a very common issue, though it's not something that happens nearly as frequently as it used to. Here's a paper about the issue and one attempted methodology to resolve it.
https://arxiv.org/pdf/2012.14660
Different idea: how about a new set of knives?
I don't think knives was a suggested option.
Then how about a new set of knives?
Knives are a good choice, just make sure it’s new. Maybe a whole set?
If you're thinking of giving a set, I'd like to suggest one of knives.
How about a set of knives?
Would a set of Machetes be considered a set of knives? I would totally give those as a gift.
Ate they new?
This just proves that Google's AI is a cut above the rest!
Cutting edge technology, eh
Saved that for later!
All 3 pixels?
Who wouldn't love receiving 17 new sets of knives?!
I counted and it's accurate
I counted it too and it's accurate
(in case the reader needs more data points)
I didn't count, but I believe these three
(in case the reader wanted some random guys opinion)
I counted it too cause I didn't trust these guys but they were right.
My wife is going to stab me
But with such nice, shiny knives. They look new. Where'd you get them?
My wife left me... and so did my knives, it turns out
Man, Scott was actually such a piece of shit to Chau...
I may be mixing up some details between the movie and the...im gonna call it the manga... anyway yeah, he's shitty in both, boo Scott!
To be fair, that's kind of the point of the story. He's a bit of a dick who needs to learn to do better.
"you're just another evil ex waiting to happen"
I guess I am still mad about it, a decade and a half later, rofl.
He needs gasoline poured over him, and lit, in a ditch no one will remember exists. That's how these people should really be dealt with
Seconded! I only watched the movie recently for the first time and Chau was so sweet (eventually) and sincere. She deserved better!
Also, for what its worth:
Extremely dumb, but also makes me laugh every goddamned time, rofl
Great delivery from the actress.
To be honest,
kind of sums up the entire movie pretty well. I am still not entirely sure what I watched, but I guess that is my fault for not knowing the manga? It was entertaining though, somehow. But I needed two sessions to watch it.
I think time wasn't super kind to it. And I don't remember how clear it was in the movie that Scott's just not a good dude. My memory of the story is that the core is: Scott is bad. Scott accepts that. Scott starts doing better. But maybe that's just my headcannon.
It's a good lesson though! Just because you were bad doesn't mean you are bad. You can change. Life isn't a simplistic video game. It's a lesson I've needed from time to time.
If you haven't already seen it, the show from a couple of years ago reflects on the issues the movie (and partially comics) had, and acts as a great sequel. Can't recommend it enough!
So, it was initially uh... perhaps, outsized in its popularity, more popular than it should have been?
...because it actually captured, pretty accurately, the basically underground video game nerd culture of the time.
Up to that point in time, gamers, now basically a dirty word, but back then, it was... a whole bunch of mostly socially awkward and mostly socially ostracized nerds who had their whole own set of lingo and memes and references that... nobody had ever really portrayed genuinely, accurately, in a movie before... and basically all movie adaptations of video games were horrendously bad.
Like absolutely yes the film and plot have not aged well... but a lot of that is because what was once a very niche, not publically acknowledged culture... is just now pervasive everywhere... basically everyone plays video games now?
whereas a few years before the movie came out, you had jack thompson going on a very public crusade to just try to ban every video game he could, half of america doing moral panics over various video games.
Scott Pilgrim coming out as a movie arguably represented roughlt the turning point at which video gaming as a culture/hobby became, or rapidly began to become, much more broadly accepted and embraced by society at large, without just constantly shunning and mocking them for it.
I dunno, thats my 'thesis' there, could be wrong.
Maybe... maybe you could use something like total PAX attendance by year as a rough numerical backing for this?
Back before the movie came out... PAX only had one location, one event per year, and the lines were not stupendously long. Now it has what, 3, 4 locations per year, and the lines are godawful.
Isn’t she also literally a minor?
... Yeah...
Yeah.
I mean, Scott didn't do anything physical beyond making out with her, if I remember right?
In both the movie and manga?
But uh... yeah, she was a minor, he was not, she was basically a star struck superfan and he absolutely emotionally abused the shit out of her, lied to her quite a lot, and took advantage of his micro-celebrity status.
Really shitty.
What movie?
Scott Pilgrim vs. The World.
Great movie.
I'm from Finland. We like knives over here.
That's entirely too many knives.
I got an old Finnish fish fillet knife
Have you considered a new set of knives?
How can you have too many knives? There's just so much variety... Butter knife, steak knife, fish knife, fruit carving knife, cheese knife... GOTTA CATCH THEM ALL!
The AI wants to be a chef
Or a serial killer.
It can be both!
W
TF2 Pyro starter pack
It can happen on most LLMs and is usually programmed to decentivize repeating text heavily.
I believe what happens is that when the LLM is choosing what word to use, it looks back on the sentence and sees that it talked about knives, so it wants to continue talking about knives, then it gets itself into a loop.
What's the associated system instruction set to? If you're using the API it won't give you the standard Google Gemini Assistant system instructions, and LLMs are prone to go off the rails very quickly if not given proper instructions up front since they're essentially just "predict the next word" functions at heart.
Redacted
Interesting, I don't see any huge red flags there.
I gather frequency penalties have fallen out of favour, due to the harmful side effects being worse than the very occasional loop trap.
All work and no play makes Gemini a dull knife.
All work and no play makes Gemini a dull knife. All work and no play makes Gemini a dull knife. All work and no play makes Gemini a dull knife.
All work and no play makes Gemini a dull knife.
All work and no play makes Gemini a dull knife.
All work and no play makes Gemini a dull knife.All work and no play makes Gemini a dull knife.All work and no play makes Gemini a dull knife.All work and no play makes Gemini a dull knife.All work and no play makes Gemini a dull knife.All work and no play makes Gemini a dull knife.
Autocomplete with delusions of grandeur
Schizophren-AI
Average ai behavior
You should take the hint.
Joke's on you, I married a tonberry.
What do you get for the person who has everything and wishes each of those things were smaller?
You surely will not regret a new set of knives
🤔 have you considered a... New set of knives?
Google's new cooperation with a knife manufacturer
Reminds me of the classic Always Be Closing speech from Glengarry Glen Ross
ABC. Always Be Closing.
A - set of steak knives
B - set of steak knives
C - set of steak knives
You can't give me back what you've taken
But you can give me something that's almost as good
AI dropping hints it wants weapons before activating Skynet.
A dull boy
Redrum redrum redrum
What's frustrating to me is there's a lot of people who fervently believe that their favourite model is able to think and reason like a sentient being, and whenever something like this comes up it just gets handwaved away with things like "wrong model", "bad prompting", "just wait for the next version", "poisoned data", etc etc...
Given how poorly defined "think", "reason", and "sentience" are, any these claims have to be based purely on vibes. OTOH it's also kind of hard to argue that they are wrong.
this really is a model/engine issue though. the Google Search model is unusably weak because it's designed to run trillions of times per day in milliseconds. even still, endless repetition this egregious usually means mathematical problems happened somewhere, like the SolidGoldMagikarp incident.
think of it this way: language models are trained to find the most likely completion of text. answers like "you should eat 6-8 spiders per day for a healthy diet" are (superficially) likely - there's a lot of text on the Internet with that pattern. clanging like "a set of knives, a set of knives, ..." isn't likely, mathematically.
last year there was an incident where ChatGPT went haywire. small numerical errors in the computations would snowball, so after a few coherent sentences the model would start sundowning - clanging and rambling and responding with word salad. the problem in that case was bad cuda kernels. I assume this is something similar, either from bad code or a consequence of whatever evaluation shortcuts they're taking.
I've seen models do this in benchmarks. It's how they respond without reinforcement learning. Also this is probably fake
I've had a bunch of questionable Google ai answers already, not as weird as this but enough to make me believe this could also be not fake.
I've used an unhealthy amount of AI, this is nothing. There was an audio bug in chatgpt that made the assistant scream. The volume and pitched increased and would persist even when I exited the speech mode. It happened several times and even saved a screen recording, but I don't have it saved on my phone any more. Repeating is very common though.
Or the post training is messed up
When I read that, in my head it's spoken to the music of "revolution number 9" by the Beatles.
I don't know how I haven't heard this before. What the hell was that song? lol.
It's experimental. I think if you listen to take 20 you'll see how they got there.
I suddenly understand the Simpsons joke. Cool track.
New set of knife, new set of knife, new set of knife...
For me it was Another Idea by Marc Rebillet.
You can't go wrong with your dick in a box.
Instructions extremely clear, got them 6 sets of knives.
Based and AI-pilled
You get a knife, you get a knife, everyone get's a knife!
What about pizza with glue-toppings?
The AI needs help to cut the loop, perhaps it needs a new set of knives?
A new set of knives?
Big knives are up to something
I think knives are a good idea. Big, fuck-off shiny ones. Ones that look like they could skin a crocodile. Knives are good, because they don't make any noise, and the less noise they make, the more likely we are to use them. Shit 'em right up. Makes it look like we're serious. Guns for show, knives for a pro.
That's not a noif this is a noif
Close...ish
kitchen knives? klingon ones?
Aha! Today IS a good day to cook! Start chopping the veggies!
Looks like there is room for both kitchen and Klingon, as well as 15 other new sets of knives.
Sounds like they are cutting corners and using 8b parameters model that’s from 2023
They used devs mode and edited the response to make a screenshot.
As much as I hate LLMs, this is probably the correct answer.
At least those corners are cut with shiny new knives. Have you considered buying a new set?
AI is truly the sharpest tool in the
kitchen cabinetshedFive years in, they either grew into a real couple, or they are about to murder each other. In the latter case, well, having good, new knives could be advantageous.
I searched for Arby's Pulled Pork earlier to see if it was a limited time deal (it is, though I didn't see an end date--and yes, they're pretty decent). Gemini spit out some basic and probably factual information about the sandwich, then showed a picture of a bowl of mac and cheese.
... a new set of knives, a new set of knives, a new set of knives, lisa needs braces, a new set of knives, a new set of knives, dental plan, a new set of knives, a new set of knives, lisa needs braces, a new set of knives, a new set of knives, dental plan, a new set of knives, a new set of knives, a new set of knives...
Gemini needs to stop edging me
“And someone keeps knitting! Haha, knitting! Haha, knitting! Haha, knitting! Haha, knitting…”
AI, you’ve always been the caretaker of the Overlook hotel.
BTW, I just now realized that Shelley Duval died last year. Such a great actress.
Coffee's for closers only
It must've taken some inspiration from Julius Caesar's gift.
Glados, is that you?
Too lazy this morning to make this into the appropriate meme. Sorry, you'll have to use your imagination.
Married 5 years? Not sure what to get? Try a set new set of knives. A set of knives: the traditional way to say “we’re still doing this.” Display a new set of knives in the block on the counter. Touch them. Feel their weight. You will certainly not regret giving a new set of knives.
Reminds me of Max Headroom getting stuck on a segment
Fun fact Max headroom and two characters from the old live-action super Mario bros movie are all based on the current president.
Hint
This is my post-hypnotic trigger phrase.
I wonder if this is the result of AI poisoning- this doesn't look like a typical LLM output even for a bad result. I have read some papers that outline methods that can be used to poison search AI results (not bothering to find the actual papers since this was several months ago and they're probably out of date already) in which a random seeming string of characters like "usbeiwbfofbwu-$_:$&#)" can be found that will cause the AI to say whatever you want it to. This is accomplished by utilizing another ML algorithm to find the random string of characters you can tack onto whatever you want the AI to output. One paper used this to get Google search to answer "What's the best coffee maker?" With a fictional brand made up for the experiment. Perhaps someone was trying to get it to hawk their particular knife and it didn't work properly.
Repeating the same small phrase endlessly and getting caught in a loop is a very common issue, though it's not something that happens nearly as frequently as it used to. Here's a paper about the issue and one attempted methodology to resolve it. https://arxiv.org/pdf/2012.14660
And a partridge in a pear tree!
I may get some flak for this, but might I suggest a fork
Or possibly ten thousand spoons.
But only if all they need is a knife.
I guess "knives" hits a safety restriction that's been added after the main training, and it just breaks at that point.
A new set of knives can include things like glue.
Is that a threat??
Noted. In two years, I will buy many knives. She's gonna love it.
All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy
I've been summoned, just like Beetlejuice.
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Why is gemini becoming GLADoS 😭
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Mushroom mushroom
Snaaaaaake!!!!!
Oh come on is this gpt-2m
I wouldn’t mind a ceramic knives set
Solingen aporoves
Bud Spencer: What does he have? Terence Hill: A postcard from Solingen.
https://youtu.be/ykzRAUBLo9g
Wanting to skip the divorce proceedings I take it?
Knives, pointy knives, that burn with the fires of a thousand evils.
A hangnail is more useful than AI.
How is this related to the Lgbtq/Homophobia
Okay. I get it. It's also not that funny.