Bannon Says He’s Advising Trump to DEPORT Elon Musk Immediately
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All 3 pillars of MAGA are pointing the finger at each other and it's hilarious
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Would this technically be an American Standoff since Trump hates Mexico?
No, but wait for the presidential proclamation trying to rename it.
We're renaming mexican standoffs 😂
There’s an Archer reference in this somewhere…
remind me: it's the Fascist, Corporatist and what's the third one?
ps: neopentecostalist?
It's the MAGA-fascists, the technofascists, and the Christofascists, as far as I can tell
It's plutofascists who wish they were technofascists
I like that, I can get on board with that
Edit: I really like this. In fact, I hope you don't mind, but I'm stealing it. Plutofascists masquerading as technofascists.
No no, we recategorized that as merely a dwarf fascist years ago.
monarchist (trump-loyals who don't actually give a fuck about immigrants or anything, they just want a godking)
all together:
fascists - authentic nazis like bannon
corporatists - in it for the money like musk
monarchists - want sole rule by a strongman, hate democracy, like trump himself and his loyalists
Corporatism is fascism.
https://www.historyfromonestudenttoanother.com/a-level/a-level-european-history-1919-41/mussolinis-italy-1919-41/the-fascist-corporate-state
Note the "third way" reference. What candidate from what party used that term when running for US president?
alright here's my problem with that - there's genociders who would gladly burn every business to the ground for the sake of a white authoritarian Gilead and who seemingly have no motivation beyond the oppression of minorities. what are those called?
Fascists.
Okay, then what do we call the billionaires who want to be as objectively wealthy as possible and are therefore upset when they lose the undocumented workers that make their factories / farms / meat processing facilities profitable?
Fascists.
That there are various types doesn't change the umbrella term.
Max Power?
I was thinking more along the "traditional" conservatives, anti-regulation tech CEOs, and Trump himself. It was always an unsustainable balance but I did not expect it to unravel 6 days after Elon left the WH
Traditional is long dead. Now it's the burn the government down nuts, use government for Christian nationalism religiofascists, and the grift everything in sight Trump.
I would pick the Heritage Fund religious extremist types for one leg.
Still fascism
Techbros, thieves and the loonies I think
Incompetence if where talking about the Adam something video
What's the third way?
The Max Power Way.
anyone have three arrows they could spare?
Hell, for these three does anyone have a broken arrow they can spare?
EDIT: No idea why the other poster deleted it, but it's too good to not put back up:
I have to admit, I haven't smiled this much in months. It's been a wonderful day.
That's awesome, I hadn't seen that yet. And so apropos!
The glass is half full
Like when Ted Cruz said that Trump "lies practically every word that comes out of his mouth".
Ted Cruz actually nailed down Trump's character better than any other politician.
Tbf that's the joke about how to know when a politician is lying.
The glass is half empty
Whether that's good or bad depends on what's in the glass.
I recently heard a lecturer say that one may not rightfully know the cup they drink is poison, but that isn't going to save them.
Imagine spending $250m dollars to get deported. It would be awesome if he was sent back to South Africa.
That's a funny way to spell El Salvador.
The rules don't apply to the ultra rich. Even the horrifying rules.
Unfortunately.
TBF, proportionally speaking, it's like me spending $20. I would not expect this amount to make a difference if it were me.
250M is nothing to this prick.
It is very expensive for their pride.
Those billionaires don't actually have the money ready in cash, just a tiny part of that is liquid, everything is in stocks. They are getting paid in stocks from their company. Why? Because until you're selling the stocks, for the government you don't have a revenue to tax. Suppose this year you get a salary of $100 billion in stocks. If you convert in cash only $100k, then the tax owed that year is minuscule. Those assholes have teams dedicated to minimize the amount of taxes owed. It is why he didn't use his money to buy xitter but used his stock and "genius CEO" fame as a collateral to persuade banks and other arab investors to lend the money for him (and hold the bag if it sank)
So in order to donate that quarter of a billion he had to liquidate stocks and pay taxes on that. Ouch, so so much painful for a billionaire. For them paying taxes is like being robbed. So, it's more like paying $20k for you
While you are correct with all that, I would argue it's not like paying half of all I have. Say your 20k is after 33% tax, that'd be 30k before taxes, our of the 50k I did my original math with.
It's be like paying 30$ then, plus the "I'm rich and greedy so it hurts", say 1k of physocological damage... Still a very small portion of what I have.
Hell, just in insurance, I'm paying way more than that every year!
He's Canadian through his mother.
We'd just get stuck with him.
Unless he gets sent to CECOT
He won't be. Too rich and powerful.
I think there's a very low but not zero chance because it really feels like Trump is trying to make Putin's Russia here in the US. When the rich and powerful men start talking shit in Russia, they very quickly end up being not so rich and powerful.
Where’s that petition to revoke his citizenship at, anyway? Would be a nice elbow to the head.
He already said Canada isn't a real country. They have to send him in a real country. They can't deport him in Canada and make Canada the 51st State and start over again.
As others have said: $43 billion. Elon bought Twitter.
Yeah, but he was forced to complete that transaction after he changed his mind.
What about he gets half his money back and goes exactly half the way to South Africa?
Elon is a brilliant businessman. When he was only 12, he started his first business as a bridge troll. Now at…whatever he is, he’s being kicked out of a country he literally bought.
South Africa doesn’t want him.
I'm fucking dying laughing at this shitshow from another country.
YOU COULDN'T FUCKING WRITE THIS SHIT 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
They did. So we ignore the circus while they rob the treasury.
They’re skimping on the bread and are heavy on the circus.
They already did that, though.
There's more to rob
Dude finality of payments is already gone; they already took the literal concept of money. Good riddance, but it's gone.
They could still actually rob Fort Knox and directly invest the U.S. treasury into a crypto pump and dump scheme.
Dude they already did the crypto thing.
Like twice.
I’m talking an actual transfer of federal funds and pretending it’s legit, like the proposed strategic crypto reserve/sovereign wealth fund.
The previous ones were personal grift, paid for by willing idiots.
You could write that in a tv show and people would say it's funny but too far fetched. Look at american movies and tv shows. The preside t is a smart, grey haired dude who has everything under control. I wonder if there will ever be a movie with an obese president who can't read and shits his pants.
It could be a 2 minute SNL skit. But you're not getting a whole show out of this.
There will probably be a show/shows that are based on this about 20-40 years after Trump and Trumpism dies.
I really hope we get through this, and all the people who supported trump are convicted of crimes against humanity or something. We can't just keep letting conservatism break out every couple decades like a herpes infection.
The only way to permenantly stop conservatism is to abolish capitalism. When you have a system where people are allowed to hold power over other people, those powerful people will work to gain more power by any means necessary.
Force all corporations to be worker owned coops, which will also have the effect of abolishing the stock market.
Tax all wealth above $50m at a rate of 100%, creating a hard wealth cap of $50m.
Provide all basic necessities to everyone free of charge paid for by tax dollars. Food, water, housing, sewage, trash, healthcare, etc. Anyone who wants to live in a situation beyond just the basic necessities can choose to work, but work should be a choice, especially with how advanced automation technologies are becoming.
There are also additional ideas like the ones in the solarpunk movement (library economy, focus on integration of nature with society, etc.) that are worth striving for.
Right. We could argue details but that's more or less acceptable to me.
But getting to somewhere like that from here is a real uphill battle.
I've posted it a bunch lately but it really does feel like people hate all the pieces of capitalism without realizing they're all connected.
This is in large part due to Joe McCarthy, Ronald Reagan, and co. making the words "communist" and "socialist" socially unacceptable by kicking off the Red Scare in the 1950s. Can't critique capitalism in those days without being called a Commie and losing your job.
It stopped being conservatism a while ago. It's eugenics. Oligarchic capitalism, racism and genocidal fascism wearing the skin of conservatisms hollowed husk
The American right has been like this since at least the civil war with the Confederates, if not even further back, going back to the elitists during the founding of the country who "compromised" with the anti-elitists to have less democracy, like having the senate consist of two voting members per state, regardless of population, the electoral college, allowing slavery to exist, and no federal direct ballot initiatives.
Because the elites know best, right?
Hitler specifically took inspiration from the Confederacy for his Third Reich.
Yea agreed.
Well, there was that time a fat meth addict betrayed one of the billionaires/rivals that made him Fuhrer.
https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/part-one-alfred-hugenberg-the-elon-musk-of-weimar-germany/id1373812661?i=1000702671438
Uh oh, the Epstein shit is scaring people. I wonder who else is on those lists?
Jeffrey Epstein Reportedly Invested $40 Million in a Company Co-Founded by Peter Thiel
Oh, how I would love to see Peter Thiel sent to prison.
Let's not give that fucking cunt any credit. He's still only motivated by his own malevolent self-interest.
That doesnt mean he can't do something funny by accident.
I don't think he's as stupid as Trump or Musk. Well, his ideas are pretty stupid, but in every clip I see of him (or at least that one where he's talking about 'flooding the zone'), he seems to be taking great glee in fucking everything up like it's all a big laugh and people aren't fucking dying, and that he knows exactly what he's doing.
Oh hes absolutely the relative evil mastermind of rhe group.
But sometimes terrible people genuinely dont get along, and that's great.
Stephen Miller
And (the probably mostly retired) roger stone; yes.
Season 6 is getting crazy.
Usually when things fly off the rails cuz the writers already did everything they wanted but now have to keep the story going in the name of profit
On one hand, this would be hilarious. On the other hand, the affirmation Trump would get out of exercising that kind of power over the richest man in history would be terrifying.
Am opportunity for Elon to use his money to do something really really really funny
Best outcome is Musk hires a fleet of lawyers who convince the supremes to limit presidential power.
I dunno. For once it would show that money won't shield you from the law.
Did you forget about trump that fast? It's just about who you pay.
Elon should just flee the country and then divulge how he and Donald fucked the election.
This is a good point. I think this isn't talked about enough.
Mans a Canadian citizen, he could just go to Toronto and just spill all to the press and CSIS.
Hey, hey, hey. We sure as fuck don't want him back, he's your problem now.
Oh c'mon, we have so many problems, could you help a neighbor out?
Even India assassinated Nijjar without any repercussions in Canada. America sure as fuck can get Musk to hang himself Epstein style.
The leopards are so hungry for faces that they are now eating their own. I condone this behavior.
Didn’t expect to see Kofi and Xavier in the wild
I have never agreed with Bannon in my life but I have to say he makes some good points here. Musk has been involved in a lot of lies, stock manipulations, insider trading, and clearly some criminal negligence at tesla. And he comes from a well known criminal family. Even Musk himself said this about his dad Eroll Musk,
"You have no idea about how bad. Almost every crime you can possibly think of, he has done," Elon said. "Almost every evil thing you could possibly think of, he has done … It's so terrible, you can't believe it."
So Elon is flat out admitting that his businesses sprang from criminal enterprise? When would he say he went legit and is he still connected to this worst criminals you can think of? Needs investigating. They should civil asset forfeiture his stuff while they look into it- thats what they would do to any of us.
Like father, like son.
A split between the regular fascists and neo-reactionaries could provide an opportunity to overthrow the Trump regime.
Not sure which is which though. There are some suggestions that the Plutocrats like Musk, Thiel and others basically want feudal thiefdoms where they can use workers and people and do whatever they please. Bannon afaik is a statist. Trump doesn't really believe in anything, and wouldn't care if he's President, Chairman or Emperor.
Trump just wants to play golf on taxpayer's money
And not go to prison.
His followers believe in inequality so they actually love when he does outrageous, stupid or illegal things.
Indeed. We should not align with either side and instead take advantage of the regular chaos. Much harder to crush discent when there is infighting in the ruling class.
If the Trump administration spends a lot of resources trying to suppress the billionaires, that would lead to fewer resources available to suppress the general population.
On the other hand, if the billionaires coup the White House, they would show the US government to be weak to a coup/revolution while simultaneously losing the support of the MAGA crowd. To amplify the latter, we should make sure to spread on social media how JD Vance was chosen by Musk and other billionaires so as to undermine JD Vance's support among the Republican base should the billionaires replace Trump with him.
They’ve been planning this shit since Goldwater, they’ve got contingency plans, that’s how we got here. They’re prepared to lose, that’s why they stacked the decks with heritage foundation plants from the top to the bottom of the system, we’ve already lost and if Elon and Donald get the fuck out of their way then they’ve got it made. I hate to say it, but keeping these idiots where they are is our best bet at pulling through this without having to start a war.
Well, we need to purge every person associated with the Heritage Foundation after the revolution.
That should definitely be an active part of the revolution, don’t give them a chance to apologize or pretend to reform or understand, kill them in their moment of tyranny and nobody will mourn them. We can’t have some bullshit ideological version of Anastasia happening to undo everything.
While cruel and evil, I have to agree with this position regarding neoconfederates. America has suffered a great deal of malice and corruption from allowing the original Confederates to retake root in the south after Reconstruction was shuttered. This can't be allowed again.
The tree of liberty needs to be watered and given manure. The likes of Thiel, Trump, Majory, Musk, Yarvin, and others would finally serve a useful purpose.
It is neither cruel nor evil to remove cruelty and evil from the world. To kill that which intends to kill all is merely establishing a will to live.
For me, it is important to not completely dehumanize members of the neoconfederates. They must be thoroughly extinguished, but reason and limits must be remembered, else the good guys will become rotten in turn. We mustn't feel good from hurting people, or it will become an addiction.
They made their own beds, I’m really not in the business of apologia.
I'm not saying to kill them necessarily but certainly remove them from their positions, jail them for any crimes they have committed, seize their assets ect.
LMAO. This keeps getting better.
Deport Elon to El Salvador. Then let DOGE defund the prison program accidentally, because they don't understand why the El Salvadorian prison system is subsidized by the US.
An old-timey duel to the death would be the logical solution to this problem
Why are those trannies shooting at each other?
Walter Sobchek voice Dude, trannies is not the preferred nomenclature. Transsexuals, please.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Gt6Y8q80guA
😄
Sword or pistol?
Elon as the fall guy is hilarious. I guess that's the silver lining to these powerful people getting close to the orphan grinding machine.
Hopefully all those people who voted for Trump (because he's a 'leader') and Musk ('because he's a great business man') are starting to realize they cast their vote for a couple of petulant children who have acquired great wealth because their daddies gave them a few hundred million in starting money.
I know, I know. Speaking reason and logic again. I'll stop ;-)
For many of then, if they were capable of looking at the world and drawing good conclusions, they wouldn't be conservative to begin with.
I wouldn't say it's hopeless, but something as basic as "facts" and "evidence" isn't going to be enough to reach someone who's a fragile, terrified, ego wrapped in a thick blanket of emotions and lies.
The idiots that vote for this think it’s normal behavior because they act the same way.
I, too, believed in Santa Claus for far too long.
There isn't enough popcorn for this.
He's absolutely going to try before this is all said and done. This is like two toddlers having a throwdown at daycare.
The one time I would not be in favor of due process would be if Trump sent him to El Salvador. A side effect could be that Musk's lawyers might even be able to fix due process for everyone. If not, he rots in a foreign prison. I see no downside.
Precedent would be a pretty big downside
We already have the precedent (see Andry José Hernández Romero, for example). Someone with power might be able to reverse it.
Here's why this isn't a good idea even if musk is terrible: it means trump can do it to everyone else
Where the fuck have you been for 5 months?
Who said I wasn't against what Trump is doing, are you dumb?
They are not.
They are implying exactly what my wife said about it, if you do this to Musk and everyone cheers it because it’s now the rich guy, then it’s validating the entire act of these deportations.
I hate Musk too but, sadly, even he should have a trial before deportation.
Where did I say he can't do this to everyone else and that he isn't already doing it? He clearly is with how sends people to the el Salvador dungeon.
You must enjoy having a stick up your ass
Where did I say you were for it? Are you illiterate?
I'd rather be dumb that a hateful bigot.
Has anyone tried report Trump to ICE? I mean he hasn't produced a birth certificate....
And just look at all those anchor babies.
Musk originally came to the US on a student visa, too.
Bannon is a clever bastard, set the precedent with someone unpopular at the moment
Realistically Bannon's a headline-happy old drunk with very little influence
But I can dream a little tonight
It really doesn't? All the reasons he's already doing it to everyone else are why he is able to do it to everyone else. What meaningful change in direction are you even trying to point to here, if you already know that Trump is deporting people?
The reason I wrote it is because many people hate Elon, and are like "yeah deport him" that would be encouraging trumps deportation regime and give further validation when people are trying to push back
He has a Canadian citizenship. Please don’t send him here. We don’t want him either.
He has American citizenship too but I guess now everyone is ok with deporting American citizens as long as it's someone unlikable.
Canadian here, need to recommend that shit asap.
Jesus, even Bannon managed to sober up long enough to have a good thought.
🤞 Please send him to CECOT 🤞
Look, fuck them both but cecot should be dismantled.
LIQUIDATE MUSK
I think you mean liquify.
They're easily mixed up - liquidate means to convert assets into a form that's easily transferrable, like cash on hand. Liquify means to convert Musk into liquid.
You said liquidate twice
So I did - fixed.
You should take one more pass at it.
My God why was this so hard for me?
Now you've invented a new word
Why not both?
NOT FINANCIALLY
soup, soup for my family
Back to South Africa please. Canada does not want him.
Mars will do, thanks.
Back to hell please.
We don't want him on this plane of existence.
El Salvador. He's an illegal.
Remember when Steve was in jail?
Those were the days
Breaking news.
Hard Core Nazi Steve Bannon calls for narcistic fascist Elon Musk to be deported immediately.
I'm awaiting Bannon to be deemed a criminal and also deported.
Seize his illegally aquired assets first!
But Elon Musk is an ILLEGAL Immigrant. WHY would they Deport someone like THAT?
He's been an American citizen for 23 years. Why the fuck does everyone suddenly think deportation is the answer to every crime. Just prosecute him.
One good thing to come out of this is if trump cancels Musk's new billions in government contracts that were the main reason Musk bought trump in the first place. 🤞
I'd counter that decimating all the departments actively investigating his interests was his primary motivation and the contracts were just a little extra self dealing on top..
Though it would be great fun to watch him exit now going full self righteous on the way out, only to have his companies bankrupted once the new gov contracts are cancelled, because he'd destroyed all their other income sources during his crusade to save himself.
Yes, good point. He was in it for both of those things and probably a bunch of other less obvious stuff. I'd like to see the contracts cancelled and the investigations re-opened.
I think there has been a shift in power. A couple months ago Trump was 100% Musk's bitch. Fuck, his kid told Trump to shut up and that he "wasn't the president". Musk definitely had something on Trump. The Epstein files would definitely fit the bill.
I'm having a hard time believing anybody would be dumb enough to not have a backup, but this is Musk. He's out of his fucking gourd half the time.
Yes, he was completely submissive to Musk and his little X brat! I kind of marveled at how he sat there and took shit from them in that office and I knew Musk owned him. I don't really think the Epstein thing is that important. Everyone already knows about it, and his followers won't believe it or won't care. If a crime, I think it would have to be something bigger. Like on the level of the conspiracy theory that Musk was able to rig the election in some states (though I'm not sure even that would be prosecuted). But then Musk would also be incriminated.
I think it's more likely that there was a huge sum of money trump was going to get paid, that Musk had control of until the investigations into Musk and his companies got shut down and all the billions in government contracts to his companies were signed and delivered, then once trump finally got paid for the services rendered, he doesn't need Musk anymore, so he's out.
The thing that was never considered by a lot of people who helped get trump in power for their own gain, both the first time and this time, is that once he's in there he has the full power of the government to go after you if you don't toe the line. He can ruin them financially and even put them in prison now. They forgot, trump never honors a deal. He'll screw you over the minute you no longer have something he needs or can no longer threaten him.
Is Musk learning he is this administration's Trotsky?
I can’t wait until they airbrush him out of pictures.
Thats an insult to Trotsky, sure he was the butch of the Red Army and led what was effectively a campaign of abject slaughter. But he was actually intelligent, a decent commander, knew how to write, and actually looked pretty decent unlike Musk who is none of those things. Seriously comparing Musk to Trotsky is like comparing Trump to Theodore Roosevelt.
Steve who?
You might know him better as the Sentient Pile of Gin-Soaked Rags.
Oh that guy 💡
These guys do give info on strategy, they’re not exactly secret about it. Bannon used the term “muzzle velocity” to describe the inundation of the press with so many terrible things, We The People would not know where to start or how to organize. They’d instead be scattered without a single issue to galvanize large numbers. Promoting numbness instead of protest. “Muzzle velocity”.
You don’t listen to Bannon, or any of the rest, because you believe them. You listen because it tells you about the admin and their intentions.
And the Jerry Springer vibes.
The guy that just slid into the ring with the steel chair
I was very confused by that, because in British English, "dew" sounds like "jew", and it took me a moment to realise that it sounds like "do" in American English.
I didn't know that! Definitely did not mean it as "jew it"!! This was just the first version of the meme I found, I always thought of it as "do it."
This would be fucking AMAZING. Talk about leopards eating fucking faces! ❤️
Yes😂 finally, now off he goes to El Salvador.
Dew it.
Jesus H Christ, I can't keep up with this shit. I ran out of popcorn a few hours ago.
I'm all for it. Can we kick all of the right wing media off twiter again.
Just didn't deport him to Canada, El Salvador would be fine. Or you know launch the middle of the Atlantic would be ok.
Canada isn't a real country anyway and if they make it the 51st State they will have to deport him again.
good point, south africa has to take the hit on this one.
Well if it becomes the 51st state I'll not need to worry about it as I would have died trying to defend it, even with its shitty problems.
But point taken send him south
Not sure if I want to be happy about this or not. I guess it depends on what country he would go to. He will probably go to another country where he can abuse the system to pay fewer taxes than the rest of us.
They also want billionaires to know that is a bad idea to turn against them.
Russia? 🙊
El Salvador surely.
I hate this racist/fascist decrepit old fuck.
Bannon seems like a bitter, jealous guy who would lash out in anger.
He’s one of those old guys that’s still just a little boy on the inside.
Like it matters where he lives. He can stir up shit from anywhere on the globe.
Sending him back to south Africa after all those white genocide claims would be a hell of a thing lmao
Not El Salvador
White genocide confirmed??!
If they are smart they will do it.
If Elon was smart he would leave the country.
If Elon were smart, he would've just shut the fuck up and quietly enjoyed his hundreds of billions of dollars instead of jumping headfirst into culture war to prove what a funny edgelord he is.
be right back, need to stock up popcorns.
Shit, I fucking called it!!! Although I said that he’d be shipped to El Salvador not Africa.