ICE Invades Wrong home, Steals Their Life Savings, and Then Leaves
The woman who actually lives in the house had just moved to Oklahoma City from Maryland with her family about two weeks earlier.
“I keep asking them, ‘who are you? What are you doing here? What’s happening,’” she said. “And they said, ‘we have a warrant for the house, a search warrant.’”
She said they ordered her and her daughters outside into the rain before they could even put on clothes.
“They wanted me to change in front of all of them, in between all of them,” she said. “My husband has not even seen my daughter in her undergarments—her own dad, because it’s respectful. You have her out there, a minor, in her underwear.”
Marisa said the names on the search warrant were not hers or anyone in her family.
“We just moved here from Maryland,” she said. “We’re citizens. That’s what I kept saying. We’re citizens.”
She said the agents didn’t care.
“They were very dismissive, very rough, very careless,” she said. “I kept pleading. I kept telling them we weren’t criminals. They were treating us like criminals. We were here by ourselves. We didn’t do anything.”
Marisa said the agents tore apart every square inch of the house and what few belongings they had, seizing their phones, laptops and their life savings in cash as “evidence.”
“I told them before they left, I said you took my phone. We have no money. I just moved here,” she said. “I have to feed my children. I’m going to need gas money. I need to be able to get around. Like, how do you just leave me like this? Like an abandoned dog.”
Before they left, Marisa said one of the agents made a comment.
“One of them said, ‘I know it was a little rough this morning,’” she said. “It was so denigrating. That you do all of this to a family, to women, your fellow citizens. And it was a little rough? You literally traumatized me and my daughters for life. We’re going to have to go get help or get over this somehow.”
Now, Marisa said they have, quite literally, nothing.
“I said, ‘when are we going to get our stuff back?’ They said it could be days or it could be months,” she said.
Marisa said she is left with nothing but questions.
Illegal search and seizure. Where's the nra? The various groups that swore to uphold the constitution?
"Marisa. Sounds Mexican, she deserves it probably."
-NRA
Her name is Marisa.
Even Mexicaner
Fairly sure it's Italian/Spanish actually. But, most republicans probably think of them as the same thing.
You know an awful lot about them foreigners.
I think you are one too.
Naah probably just one of them uppity college professors. I bet they don't even like football.
They wish they had our Mediterranean good looks.
You're right! Idk why my brain deleted the S when I went to write it out, thanks!
Unironically enough for MAGAts to call for deportation.
They're probably at a klan rally.
The NRA gave up their 'jack-booted thugs' rhetoric and started kissing Republican asses when Bush Jr. was president. Bush very publicly renounced his lifetime membership over LaPierre's--very, very reasonable and measured--stance that the feds were shitty people. The NRA caved rather than continue to speak the obvious truth, and they've had a fetish for licking cop boots ever since.
They were already there, doing the seizing.
How long before people start pretending to be ICE to basically break and enter into homes to rob people? Not like they can fight back, or even question things, or have due process, if someone in an ICE vest shows up at your door.
Is there any evidence it hasn't happened already? It's not like they'd announce or even denounce it.
What do mean "how long"? It's exactly what happened here?
No it isn’t, homeland security took responsibility.
Interesting how many just mindlessly upvoted it
People need to start breaking down the doors of the homes of rich white Republicans, accusing them of being illegal aliens, and claiming to be ICE. That's when this will actually stop.
Is there anything morally different between pretending to be ICE to break into people's homes to rob them and actually being ICE and breaking into people's homes to rob them?
Being ICE is worse because the victims are more likely to be shot or deported by these goons. Regular burglary just wants your shit with none of that hassle.
This has already been happening for several months: https://www.cnn.com/2025/02/04/us/ice-impersonators-on-the-rise-arrests-made-as-authorities-issue-national-warning/index.html
Why is ICE seizing anything outside of whoever they supposedly had a warrant for? Did the warrant say take all electronics and valuables as they are being used to hide/fund someone we don't like, but the people that live their, yeah their fine let them be? Like what? How is this not just want to be terrorists fucking over people with impunity?
Civil asset forfeiture... It's uh, it's not great.
It is so demoralizing to try and explain civil asset forfeiture. I've never had a single person believe that it's real when I tell them about it - everybody insists that it can't possibly be true since it's so flagrantly unconstitutional.
It's "constitutional" because they're accusing the "money" of being used illegally. There's no actual person being accused here, but if you want to get your money back you'll need to prove it's innocence in court.
It's ridiculous. At least the Institute for Justice has been winning court cases against this, but there's still a long way to go: https://ij.org/issues/private-property/civil-forfeiture/
Edit: typo
John Oliver had a segment on this that may help convince people that it is real: https://youtu.be/3kEpZWGgJks
Same, most people assume I'm being a crazy person and I'm about to go off about some sovcit shit or "the moon is a NASA projector they lost control of in 1962!" Or something.
"The court system in my country is so close-knit with the police that they have a policy of not charging cops with most of the crimes they might commit when on duty or requiring any proof of their statements in court." Yeah it's demoralizing but I don't find it hard to explain because at a high level the issue isn't complicated.
Why does ICE have jurisdiction to seize civil assets anyway? Does my cash need a fucking passport now?
The United States Government vs tree fiddy, the honorable OleWhitey Mcfash presiding.
Let's call it what it is. State sponsored theft of civilians.
It's piracy.
If it is piracy that is authorized by the government it’s called privateering.
Oh, okay, that's much better.
There's a movie called Rebel Ridge in which this practice, and a corrupt police department, serve as the antagonists. It's a very harsh movie but very vindicating conclusion.
We decided we needed to be able to shut down drug dealers by seizing their money without need for any real proof. Since then the majority of seizures, 84%, are civil most incidental to purposeless searches that turn up no crime. Many seizures are in fact under $1000 and most are under $2000. In theory you can get your money back but it often would cost thousands so for most victims its impossible to actually get money back without spending more.
Basically for decades the authorities have been acting as robbers and have collectively stolen billions from the people directly often stopping minorities for driving while black and treating the $400 in random bob's wallet as proceeds of an imaginary crime they don't need to substantiate. Being black and having $400 is enough.
This is why it was so important to declare a "War on Drugs." Most people thought it was just political rhetoric, but it was far more than that. By declaring a literal WAR on drugs, it offers the government an array of options that aren't available in peacetime. One of those being the ability to alter the way suspects/combatants and their possessions/ weapons are treated. Money and valuables can be treated as a tool of drug dealing, and confiscated as spoils of war.
Youre really misunderstanding what declaring an actual war is or is not. Technically the US has not been in an actual declared war since WWII.
The Vietnam War, the Korean War, the Iraq wars, none of those were declared as actual war by congress. The war on drugs is just political rhetoric and has no actual legal bearing.
You cant declare formal war on drug use because drug use isnt a recognized sovereign country
You're misunderstanding that you don't need to declare an actual war to use wartime emergency powers. At any given time there are dozens of official federal emergencies, some of which have been in place for decades, allowing the White House to claim emergency powers.
You do need an actual war to use wartime emergency powers. There are declared emergencies other than war
Youre argument makes no sense, and is contradicted in each sentence.
And yet, they were still wars, with lots of deaths of Americans. Clearly, those that are committed to fighting wars, don't feel like they require the distinction of being legally declared wars by Congress.
And yet many people have died, been imprisoned, and died as a result. Just try to tell people who are serving years or decades in prison that their sentences were just "political rhetoric," and had "no actual legal bearing."
Youre fundamentally confusing what “political rhetoric” is versus what a legal action is. Calling the war on drugs a war doesnt make it a war with any actual legal modifications for anything.
Calling the war on drugs a war is a political justification for the actions taken against drug use. Therefore, calling the war on drugs a war is not a legal thing. Its just political rhetoric.
I dont see how else to explain that for you
You keep saying that, but their actual actions contradict that.
Its like saying HitlerPig isn't supposed to rule with Executive Actions, he needs to legislate through Congress, as Constitutionally-mandated, and yet here he is, doing it.
It doesn't matter what the law says, if the result is the same. They framed the "War on Drugs" as political rhetoric to provide plausible deniability for enablers like you, when in reality, it was absolutely used as a justification to greatly militarize law enforcement, deny citizens (mostly minorities) their Constituional and Civil Rights, increase prison sentences, embrace civil forfeiture, etc. You accepted it as strong language to fight the drug scourge, but they used it as cover to supress our rights, in the name of drugs.
It worked so well, they used the same strategy again. In the 2000s, they used the threat of Terrorism to declare a War on Terror, and establish Homeland Security, and reduce our rights even more.
The smartest thing to do at this point is just block you because you literally don't understand what words mean and when called on literal nonsense just double down on the nonsense.
They were imprisoned by actual drug laws that have nothing to do with the usage of the word war.
The war on drugs has only ever been rhetoric. It never literally gave anyone any additional powers because it is not in any way shape or form a declared war and has no legal meanings other than the ones you have completely fabricated in your alternate history.
Who is "we"? Please leave me out of this cult.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_religion
They have been doing shit like this for years anyway. The cops in some communities even outright stop countless vehicles coming out in order to 'seize drug money'and they end up taking any cash the person has without any evidence whatsoever. This is some Robin Hood villain shit.
Robin Hood was stealing from the rich to give to the poor, not robbing the poor for the rich.
"Robin Hood villain"
The sheriff was the villain in that story, close enough!
Robbin the hood
How do you know they are even ICE. Not saying they aren't agents, but there was an EO that basically repurposed a lot of other agencies to become ICE deputies. DEA, ATF, etc.
Heard in a podcast that 80% of ATF is now doing ice stuff.
The cops have been the biggest thieves for a long time.
https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/international-news/north_america/americas-current-economy/police-civil-asset-forfeitures-exceed-all-burglaries-in-2014/
The life savings were illegal immigrants?
/s , obviously
The real reason is probably civil asset forfeiture.
Generally the search and seizure is for the property, not the people. That's IF they bother with a warrant which apparently is a big ask these days.
Remember folks, every vote counts. We did this to ourselves.
I've said it before elsewhere but it needs to be heard...
It's just wild to me continually seeing posts not understanding how this all works, and how it would play out. It's like the people who thought China paid the tariffs...
The house is almost tied. That's who passes bills, handles impeachments, some of the most powerful committees are, and who impeaches Presidents...
218 Republicans, 213 Democrats.
Let's see, take New York for example.
26 representatives total, 19 Democrat and 7 Republican.
5 of those were within 2 points last time their seat was up.
People who think that New York is blue, their vote doesn't matter, skips the votes for the House and Senate and end up losing a Blue house seat but later complain that nothing changes are literally the fucking problem.
Every. Fucking. State. Is. Like. This.
Apathetic morons who don't realize that the president is only held accountable by the other branch of government then wave their hands around when they did jack shit to help put people in place to, are the fucking problem.
District 3 of California was lost by 24,000 votes. District 22 was lost by 3,000.
Those two seats in the house, along with the close ones in New York, Jersey, Michigan, Illinois, Washington, hell every state... Are what makes the House of Representatives or breaks it.
So, if you think that your vote for president doesn't matter, so you skip voting and let these other seats slip, yes, you're a fucking moron who can't grasp basic concepts of government that are taught in 4th grade.
And don't get me started on the State House/Senates, how they define voting laws and voting zones and engage in gerrymandering.
Every fucking vote counts.
And until the country realizes it, and starts acting on it, we'll keep getting the shit we deserve.
House needs a simple majority, and two thirds of the Senate.
Democrats would need ~18 seats.
First, that won't happen in 2026.
Even the best cases make it hard to win enough by 2028. Which is why impeachment is just not something we can hold out for.
Gerrymandering is part of why this is a problem, which is done at the local level, and again why every vote counts.
How could it play out? Assuming some absurdly weird upside down world just opposite of what we're living in, this is the only path just looking at the numbers...
Again, Democrats would need to gain 18 net seats. Seats Potentially in Play (Republican Incumbents): This requires looking at seats up in upcoming cycles.
It's going to take an absolutely historic level of pain to both drive enough people to vote MAGA out to make this change though.
The amount that's being excused, sanewashed, and just drowned out with other absurdities...
We're on all on this shit ride until some new wildcard comes into play.
No impeachment, no Supreme Court, no guardrail is going to change that.
Something new and unaccounted for is the only feasible catalyst.
It is true, every vote counts, but not for the Democrats. They have approved Trumps household and supported him in other legislation already. Biden continued much of Trumps legacy of deportations, wall building and raiding innocent people. The laws around "civil forfeiture" have been expanded by Democrats on state level and upheld by Democrats on the federal level throughout the past 30ish years.
Unless the leadership and party elites of the past decades are purged from the party it will never be a vehicle of change, only of maintaining the decline at a slower rate than under the Republicans.
EDIT: Another example of the Democrats making sure that progressives that could challenge Trump are blocked as much as possible on their way. https://www.jezebel.com/75-year-old-democrat-who-beat-aoc-for-key-role-resigns-after-4-months
BRO SHE RESIGNED?! GIVE ME A FUCKING BREAK.
I wish people didn't vote against Bernie in the primaries.
I'd vote to support progressive candidates, but neo-liberals can legitimately go fuck themselves.
We should unite and convince people to stop voting for establishment candidates. It's their turn to fall in line since progressives aren't doing it.
They didn't.
https://observer.com/2017/08/court-admits-dnc-and-debbie-wasserman-schulz-rigged-primaries-against-sanders/
Who is "we"? Keep me out of your cult.
I didn't nominate any cops and I don't vote for them. That's how we got here.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_religion
Ummm, not to be an ass but no. The usa has some of the highest number of disenfranchisement in the world. Then you have people like me who's vote does not count at all in american elections (there are dozens of us!).
Confidently incorrect.
Like I said, every single local election, from city BOE and councils, to county boards to state officials count.
The local elections are who draw the districts are who disenfranchise.
The county courts, the district courts who are elected are who rule in favor of gerrymandering.
So if you skip a vote, if you are too busy, too tired, too hungover, that's it. It's on you.
If you can't grasp that, it's on you.
Not be that guy, but the person you're replying to isn't exactly wrong in saying "every vote counts is wrong" in some cases.
Being pedantically literal, yes, every vote is counted.
The reality of First Past The Post voting and the Electoral College is that the only votes that "count" insofar that they actually affect the outcome of an election are votes for the winning party. Now add on to that the common understanding that both major parties only care about what their corporate donors have to say, and that individual voter participation isn't likely to influence anything other than the party campaign strategy for the next election.
That means that if enough people vote as a collective to flip which party wins, then and only then does their vote count for anything meaningful. People should vote anyways, but it's not hard to see why someone might be just a little bit disenfranchised when their participation in the democratic process seems to result in nothing but wasted time because they live next to a bunch of a conservative hicks.
You are absolutely right about smaller state and local elections, though. Those are where each vote actually has a chance to be meaningful.
Or you live in DC, or Puerto Rico or any other US territory, or are a felon, or an immigrant. I am really shocked that anyone can look at the usa and see a democracy in this day and age.
I am not american, and if I was one of approximately 5.1 million (that is about 1 out of 44 or so people) who have lost the ability to vote, no I don't have a say in any level of us politics.
You are as a nation well past the "lesser evil" party saving you. You are full on into the sort of terrible collapse shown in the subject of the article you are promoting. As a side note, with how the silly two teams system of yours works, the dems if back in power will forever be a little worse then before trump.
Voting doesn't matter when both candidates are right-wing.
That's literally why we're here.
And it's the local smaller elections that form the basis of the "parties" that put those candidates up.
The DNC and RNC, all those people sent from the states to nominate who the Democrat or Republican runner is, they're all locals.
If people stepped up and replaced those ignorant twats, we'd get something different.
But instead, we whine that it doesn't matter and don't do anything and wonder why it doesn't change.
That's very cute but votes and elections are a thing of the pass in America.
Can you stop spamming this shit?
Once everyone has seen it, totally.
Don't suppose you're in the camp wanting to disenfranchise voters, are ya skippy?
Damn, you caught me
The camp with kamalacaust? Nah, never been.
You can keep scrolling. Literally a flick of the finger.
There's a block feature.
The US GeStaPo does not care about illegal. For them, the only illegals are their targets.
It should be illegal...
But with alternating between Republicans and neoliberals for 50 years, no one has ever actually put in serious effort to reign in police. Asset seizure is 100% legal and since they're "charging" the money/property there's no presumed innocence.
Biden didn't fix policing, Obama didn't, and under Clinton it got worse in large part due to a bill Biden wrote.
Obviously Republicans have been worse, but the point is shit doesn't ever get better.
We have a good DNC now, that won't block good candidates, but that's a very recent development
Quick edit:
This meant to be a reply to someone else, but something weird is happening
Wouldn't be so sure about that. Ken Martin is out there trying to stop David Hogg from primarying incumbents.
Good, Hogg has no traction and never will win an election. He should be the last choice for the left.
Huh? He's not running for election; he's using his PAC to support young progressives primarying Dem incumbents in safe blue seats.
You said he was primarying incumbents, led me to believe he was running
The bigger issue is that you felt it necessary to comment via assumptions rather than even doing a cursory google search. Without knowing anything about charisma or policy you said he should be the last choice for the left? Do you think the incumbents are doing a good job?
No I don't think incumbents are doing a good job, but I know David Hogg, his policy positions, and public outlook. He is not a good candidate in my opinion. I was surprised and thought he was running with the way he worded his comment.
Not to mention both Obama and Biden not only failed to abolish ICE, but had higher deportation numbers than Trump in his first term.
Not any more
Racism and ethnic cleansing are not "jobs" that should be done at all.
Yea it keeps people hating one another simply for being born somewhere else and ensures class warfare amongst the population.
What good reasons?
Nice chatgpt reply
Gotta love how lazy people are that they can't even argue their own point without asking a machine to make it for them.
Exactly how much arguing with people on Lemmy do you do that you find it too tiresome to do it yourself, but rather than just not engaging, you have a machine do it for you? Tbh, sounds like some shit a troll factory would do.
I think everyone here gets tired of you repeating yourself.
If you've said it before you could just copy and paste it
go back to reddit please. save us the pain of downvoting you
The solution to not repeating yourself is to stop talking, but you just love the attention whether negative or positive
So they exist to solve problems that wouldn't otherwise exist. Got it.
This is paranoia not reality. The US has had very open boarders for a long long time, the boarder between Mexico and the US only had check points for commerce for most of my life until W started the fever dream that people moving across the boarder is going to get all the white women killed. This isn't reality. There aren't droves of Mexicans raping and killing white women, in fact, immigrants commit the least amount of crime out of any group of people in the US. This isn't a problem if you aren't a fucking racist paranoid idiot.
You can easily administrate a region without walling off that region
Countries should not exist, duh!
I'm going to disregard that first sentence because you're explaining what they do, not giving good reasons for why they exist. In the second sentence, you indicated the principles that their existence is supposedly rooted in, but still fail to provide a good reason. Now, the third sentence: How do they ensure national security and public safety? Is there meaningful, demonstrable, or statistically significant evidence that this is the case, or are you taking it at face value to be the truth?
No, they're mostly bullshit actually.
The cruelty is the point. ICE is the refuge for assholes too racist even by normal Texas police standards.
The first item of the hiring rubrik for ICE is literally; "JERKS ONLY!"
Par for the course for Oklahoma.
FTFY
for the rest of their lives. and no gov backed living either, they need to be forced to live under the bridge
Their job is to cause terrorism they do it well
You really shouldn't want them to be doing their jobs to any degree at all. Effective or otherwise.
They need to be dissolved. In acid.
Definitely cant see any comparisons to the Gestapo there 👍
Curious how they felt they were entitled to seize their electronics and savings. AFAIK "search warrants" are typically isolated to specific people and property, not a free-for-all where they can just take anything they feel like taking. However, I saw it mentioned in a previous post about this that these agents aren't even getting search warrants but a "writ" and that agents are intentionally conflating the two in the media in order to provide a false sense of legitimacy to their illegal and unconstitutional actions.
Welcome to the world of civil asset forfeiture. That family will have to prove that that money was not the proceeds of a crime to get it back. And yes, that is a reversal of the standard: the money is guilty until proven innocent.
The US justice system has been subverted long before Trump to enable absurd shit like this that are obviously in violation of the 4th amendment.
I really hope someone hacks into the ICE database and send them kick down Trumpists doors.
You don't need to hack anything: https://www.ice.gov/webform/ice-tip-form
I reported Musk on there. I'm 1/2 waiting for ICE to come busting through my door.
I mean he is a non-citizen (by their standards) who has committed serious crimes in our country. He should be at the top of their list.
You don't need to put the "by their standards"
He is an immigrant who lied in his application, worked with an invalid status and overstayed his student visa to start his criminal career
His acquired citizenship needs to be stripped and deported to El Salvador
Use a fake number generator for phone numbers as well as name generators. Also do it on a public computer and not your own device. If you must use a device you have. Do not do it from home and use a VPN combined with Tor network.
Or use Tails.net it’s a portable OS you use to hide from surveillance and it is part of the Tor project.
Tails is excellent.
I get what you're saying, but no. I'm not going to hide myself and my opinions.
How about hacking to dox the agents?
They should be added last, so that we don't cripple them while they do a fantastic job looting MAGA houses.
People should claim to be ICE agents and go rob the homes of actual ICE agents. Accuse them of being illegal immigrants and disappear them off to fates unknown. What's good for the goose is good for the gander. Give them a taste of their own medicine.
Civil Asset Forfeiture. It's legal in most states, but some are better than others. Oklahoma is dog shit:
https://ij.org/report/policing-for-profit-3/?state=OK
Seriously people, don't move to Oklahoma, or really most southern states.
Do not move anywhere in the US, just move out.
That's my biggest issue with taking in americans. This isn't something new, it just wasn't done so overtly before. The people fleeing it may not agree with what is happening now, but they carry the fundamental issue with them. This is a problem with what america was built on, the freedom to not give half a shit about anyone else, and while a lot of people aren't like that, and very well may integrate well into european cultures, a lot of other people want to get out because this time it wasn't in their favour, and learn absolutely fuck all from it.
I think you're conflating the people who voted for this with the ones who are vehemently against it.
I promise you I'm not. But if the last 20 years have taught me anything, it's that americans repeatedly fail to see their errors, until it specifically hurts themselves.
A lot of people who either voted for Trump, or didn't really care about Trump are going to feel the impact of him. This isn't just about Trump voters though. The democratic party is part of the same oppressive system that loves oligarchs, as long as they get paid by them. Instead of looking within and realising they were wrong, and that the system in the USA is broken throughout, they're going to chalk it up to "well, that was unfortunate", and learn absolutely fuckall from it, and vote for the next fascist bastard again next opportunity.
If they move to Europe, their values won't have changed. They won't have learned a thing, and they will continue to support that system, and vote for it when they get the permission to do so.
I'm not saying all americans are like this. No country is ever made up entirely of idiots, but the amount that would actually support the systems in place in Europe is a very small minority.
I don’t think you’re getting that they are saying Americans have a stain on their soul whether they are democrat or republican and that shit don’t wash off, I believe it, I’ve traveled the world, I’ve seen what people are and how they act…. an American is not one of them
At least you won't get shot or tried (looking at you NK). It is not easy, but not impossible, and there is a tipping point, which is different for everyone as people have different values and scales.
For someone, paying 10$ an egg is survivable as long as their family is close.
I don’t want weak cowards anywhere in my nation, so yeah, you can leave buddy, don’t let the door hit your ass on the way If you are even in this country, I have a feeling you are not.
Weak coward for MAGAts, common sense for everyone else.
You mentioned southern states, but I just checked a few other states, because I was thinking maybe they're blue, liberal, and it may be better:
HI: D- IL: D- MA: F WA: D-
Oops!!!
For comparison: OK: D- TX: D+
TX scored the highest out of these states. We're fucked!
Yeah unfortunately it's no guarantee that blue states are better. Many are, but not all. Colorado, California, and New York all score a 'C', still not great but much better.
Police in Oklahoma kicked me out of my house at my ex’s request. No police report, no idea why.
Does not apply to DHS agents.
If you think that'll stop them, I have a bridge to sell you. In case you hadn't noticed, the law doesn't mean anything any more to the people in power.
In all seriousness these are the stories that have actually been reported, which means there are probably a lot more that have not been reported. Hope people start to rise up.
I'm hoping too. Serious, concerning lack of retaliation or resistance fighting.
Some people haven’t experienced anything bad yet, so they don’t care. Some people realize that once the fighting starts we’re all fucked for the next few decades at minimum and for a few centuries worst-case. And some people are positively thrilled by what’s happening and are cheering everything on.
Hence why there’s no rioting, yet. I hope it’s coming, that we don’t just roll over like the Iranians and the Russians did for their autocrats, but I also fear that it is coming.
the tariffs hasnt hit most peoples stores yet, so its out of sight of mind. also because they think something will stop it down the line.
MSMS intentionally dont report certain news that are too critical of trump, they probably are sitting on a ton of reports like these, but selective to gear it towards for the sake of a republican that happens to watch the news.
They were asleep
I’m reminded of Breonna Taylor now. Different circumstances, but the same perpetrators.
Followup article
We made a mistake. We won't offer your stuff back though
Seems like they're making a lot of those and not offering anything back.
What, indeed.
She'd be dead but possibly celebrated.
"Woman with no active warrants shot by police searching for illegal immigrant gang members"
--Mass media
The fecklessness of the mass media, and anyone that believes journalism is just repeating/reporting on what was said is certainly without end. Any journalist or Outlet that frets over access to groups or individuals because of their reporting aren't involved in journalism. Just complicit in aiding propaganda. And we've just described almost every last bit of a media sadly.
"ICE Agents life SLAMMED by ILLEGAL immigrant gang member murderer"
I think this is how it would likely be reported. Making it a more passive action would shield responsibility.
"South American shot after opening fire on police searching for illegal immigrant gang members"
FTFY
Okay why the fuck did this post get deleted.
Was it deleted? It seems fine on my end though I might be missing something. My best guess and the only logical thing to suspect. Is that pointing out fascists would gleefully kill anyone who resists them was somehow mistaken as call for violence. Not just simply acknowledging the behavior of fascists.
I'm not a big advocate for arming in general. In a just Civil Society there should be no need for weapons and guns. However we don't live in such a society at this point. And I think it's a good idea for everyone especially the vulnerable and minorities to arm themselves in the face of the fascist. But I certainly will not scold them for not doing so. Because it absolutely could escalate things and cost them their life. It's going to happen at some point though. I don't want it to, but if people keep failing to put the fascists down. It will
Might have been “because repost.”
To your other points, everything good must be backed up with “We’ll fight you to the death over this if we have to.”
Indeed.
Biggest gang showing off their thuggery.
ICEholes in action
IANAL, TINLA, but: Don't publish plans to commit crimes.
If they are standing their ground it might be up for debate.
Exhibit A, Your Honor.
You gotta be smart, use obscure language embrace missed messaging.
everyone needs to remember that if/when this is over, anyone who supported this or participated in it needs to be shunned for the rest of their lives.
shunned? they need to be imprisoned
Which is probably not going to happen. we could have a government of just democrats and they wouldn't convict these people.
No, they need to be made examples of. There need to be mass Nuremberg trials, no Nazis left alone, no scientists spared, no business deals.
No mercy.
Imprisoned? They need to bee branded.
No. They need to be convicted and held to account.
in mass graves
I'm on your side. Giver.
People who support this shit should be tarred and feathered.
100% Fascism.
That’s how Kristi Noem gets all her walking around cash
Why aren’t ice agents getting popped by now?
Technically, it was the correct home, just the occupants changed.
Man, if only there was some way to determine who the correct residents are BEFORE doing a raid... 🤔
A lot of communities now have local organizations with armed volunteers ready to show up and stop ICE.
Try to look around for your local leftist orgs, if one isn't already doing this then it's probably coming soon or just one comment away from realizing it's a good idea.
Find your local orgs, stay in contact, stay organized, and stay armed.
Sounds more like a typical homeinvasion robbery using ice disguises
Why in the hell would one move to a shitty red run welfare state? ICE is the neo Gestapo or NKVD.
Genocide abroad <---> Genocide at home
Thanks to the people that didn't vote or threw away their vote, we'll get both.
The 2nd ammendment will prevent this government tyranny any day now, right?
The US is now soviet russia.
Same guy in charge...
I’m sorry but at this point I would be too embarrased to be an American citizen and migrate the F out lmao, a second term Donald Trump? So embarrassing 😭🤦🏻♂️💩💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀
That's disgusting!!
ICE is going to finance itself by stealing any money they can find. It's Mob rules from the government under Trump.
Sooner or later they'll break in a house with someone similar to them that will welcome them with a semi automatic...
Not the family? Whatever! Take them anyway
-ICE
Any decent person who did not vote for this needs to absolutely gtfo of red states and assume they're a no-go zone from here on out. Of course the blue states won't be safe forever, but there is absolutely no reason to put yourself in danger by going to one of those Nazi shit holes.
I sick of the red state garbage. Nearly every "red" state has "blue" cities. Stop blaming entire populations, age groups or other demographics. You're just falling for the divide and conquer message they want to use against everyone.
Nah, what I actually said was if you're in a red state and you didn't vote for this, get the fuck out for your own protection. If you'll take a second to read, that's what I said. If you don't take a second to read, that still remains what I said. I didn't blame anyone in the state who didn't vote for this for it, now did I? I said get out. You do you, man.
The vast majority of Americans do not have the means to up and move to a new state.
I would love to flee to a blue-r area. Somewhere where sharing with my neighbors and participating in community doesn't feel like supporting racism and misogyny.
But, I have a disabled family member that needs care in their home, so ... for now my sense of familial duty keeps me in a very red area.
The lack of DV resources/the fact that my ex basically created a cult and it’s really hard to navigate a divorce when you’ve been tortured and also still think that he must actually love you means that I am hopelessly shackled to this place. I’ve lived the cruelty of this state so long that I don’t feel like a human being anymore.
I just hope they don’t burn my paintings and books. I want them to stay together. I want my art and thoughts to be recognized because they’ve never been welcome here.
I felt it when Zach killed himself. I didn’t know him close but I did. I felt it even more when Nex was murdered, when it was covered up and everyone just passively accepted the narrative that Alex Jones and /pol/ had been sharing since they were killed because the Stitt appointee said so.
Oklahoma is sick. It’s been sick since it’s inception - the “boomers” that couldn’t even wait to steal their land. The “Little House on the Prairie” family did that even before the boomers. The murders of the Osage - that even today not all the murders are known as murders. It’s a bloodsick land.
Me and everyone I know has absolutely no means to just up and move to another state and find employment, a place to live that’s affordable, and the moving costs. We can’t afford to flee for safety
I'm in Cali, I want to believe that you're right, but they've been going up and down the central valley black bagging brown people in home Depot parking lots.
Links? I didnt hear about this.
Calmatters has covered it pretty well. There's been more raids, but this was the first article on it that I could find for you. https://calmatters.org/economy/2025/01/kern-county-immigration-sweep/
A justice recently issued an injunction against them just scooping up brown people first and finding out if they're here illegally or criminals later, but IIRC they went ahead and ignored that and did another raid.
E: more recent article https://calmatters.org/justice/2025/04/border-patrol-injunction/
FTA:
Don't make brash promises you can't keep, they absolutely have already come to blue states and they were all over blue states during Trump's last term, too.
So you are saying that crooks could just type up fake ICE warrants and rob rich people?
Yup, just need a van with ICE on it, and someone to sneak in and hide that the fake ICE will find and now you also have a reason to take that rich person's phone as "evidence" as well so they can't contact anyone for help.
Heck, if it's a particularly daring gang, they could then "arrest" said rich person, and get them to tell you the name of a fellow rich person they can contact to post "bail" for them by paying to a virtual bank, then transferring that money to foreign banks to them convert into a cryptocurrency, to get even more money.
I bet ICE would be reined in if rich conservatives got targeted...
Everything new is a forgotten old, Wallenstein's turn.
But yeah, more such stories, more rougher reactions.
I think Lemmy public will reconsider their gun rights stance after a couple of years.
I used to think anti gun people would face reality at some point. Then January 6th happened, and blue conservatives still wanted to disarm the people.
Even after repeatedly demonstrating they or the justice system will never defend us. We are on our own.
And yet, those who want easy access to guns argue its to protect themselves from tyrannical power. They are also not doing that. Perhaps, in part, because the power disparity between military, police, and a civilian gun owner makes personal guns little more than display pieces.
Gun ownership is a hobby. Most of the dialogue around them is theater. Those who enjoy guns own far more than is needed for 'defense', because it's enjoying ownership that they're actually defending.
So it's better to let it grow more, right?
That's obvious, hard to do a lot of what you don't enjoy if you can avoid it. Of course it's theater. Most of the dialogue around karate is theater. It still somewhat prepares one physically for various events.
I wrote a Gemini (small web) client in the last 2 days, of course it's theater, I don't have a modus of using Gemini yet, but it was useful. At least I have a client convenient for me personally, I've gained some experience (ok, it's a simple task, but), some self-confidence.
With guns - of course it's mostly a very cool toy, people also do historical fencing with swords. But they also learn things about military history and something about using small arms. Better than nothing, sniper rifles still have a place in warfare, even if typical "assault rifles" are almost like a bayonet in WWII, still has uses, but very secondary.
Learning is the root of any achievement. Learning is helped by joy. Why should this be different for defense?
Amazing that the top comment is this crap spam sock puppet nonsense. Come on this account is 23 hours old. I get not wanting to support us companies, but the flood of brand new accounts posting stupid questions about it is ridiculous.
cloud is ridiculous. just set up some mini servers with friends or family. rsync your stuff with them over wireguard every now and then. The cloud should absolutely never ever be trusted.
If they can get a warrant to steal your shit, they can steal shit from your friends and family if they can show that you have files on their property as well. All this will result in is your family members having all their computers stolen as well.
This is true. But they will have to send people out to get that drive and you will know about it. In the cloud, a government can take that data and the provider is forbidden from telling you.
Don't store data on other people's computers. Use encryption locally and store an encrypted backup at a friend's house, or in a bank safe if you must.
I understood the worry to be about storage devices being stolen from home. In which case it would be safe at a friend's house. Putting an encryptes backup anywhere online is partially okay, but most people trust their cloud solution software for encryption, which is about as good as sensing your unencrypted data to that company.
Even with encrypted backups the risk is that totalitarian regimes / corporations store data forever. And if your encyption keys ever leak, or the algorithm is broken, you're fucked in retrospect.
Nah, if you store them offline, you should ideally know when one of your backups has been stolen. Anything ever stored online is forever in limbo.
The problem with this is that anywhere you can store a file or place a backup then becomes a legal target for an ICE raid. They get a warrant to steal all your stuff, regardless of where it may be. When they steal your computers, they'll find records of your system sending files off to an offsite backup somewhere. They can then use that as legal justification to go raid your friend's house, and they'll steal not only your backup drive, but all your friend's computers as well.
The only way this doesn't work is if the files are stored on the servers of a giant multinational or an offshore cloud provider. ICE isn't going to be breaking into data centers and physically carting off hard drives. They instead would simply request a copy of the data, and the cloud provider would share it with them.
I think you have GenZ tunnel view on this. I was suggesting to bring physical backup media to a friend's house :)
Where can I get a 4TB microSD with reasonable read/write speeds?
My NAS encrypts my Backups and transfers them to some hetzner webspace on a server in Sweden. For email and day to day cloud usage I use mailbox.org. They are from Germany and put a focus on privacy and security, yearly payments are no problem.
I would considering moving that data to Germany since they are trying to bypass an anti encryption law in Sweden
I have internxt , very rough compared to others but for long term storage it is good. Foss , encrypted and splitted.
I know nothing about tech but couldn't someone wiser than me create the ability to decentralize people's information. Scattering bits around the world on personal servers. Similar to how the fediverse works. I don't honestly know shit about this so maybe I'm talking out my ass.
Proton cloud is a good one.
Added context for the non-tech crowd to explain the downvotes. Proton checks all the boxes, EU based (swiss), good platform that is working towards being a unified google services replacemnt. For most people I do still recommend them, I quite like their software.
But for the socially concious nerd, their CEO put their foot in their mouth on the artist formerly known as twitter late last year, and that damaged their user bases trust in them (no policy changed, they just stated opinions that were very out of touch with their US user base)
There is a lot of nuance to the issue, im glossing over a lot and I feel it gets blown out of proportions on Lemmy.
Look at EU alternatives
Sorry about that, fixed it
Hetzner has it's cloud storage boxes and it's pretty cheap and supports a lot of different backup solutions: https://www.hetzner.com/storage/storage-box/
Right house, but different residents.
What if you have your money in a safe? Are you obligated to open it? If they call a locksmith, hope the locksmith checks the address on the warrant?
Depends on the safe, but the people executing a search warrant, if it's a proper search warrant, will either take the safe with them or stay there until it is opened. The locksmith is also (likely) going to be covered because he was acting at the direction of the police. That means he's going to drill it, and probably won't be looking at the search warrant as confirmation. A proper search warrant means you're fucked unless the cops do something stupid, like looking in your cupboard when the search is for a cow.
It's bogus how heinous the government can be over small crimes.
Fuck ICE
I'm sorry but at this point I would be too embarrased to be an American citizen and migrate the F out lmao, a second term Donald Trump? So embarrassing 😭🤦🏻♂️💩💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀
That's kind of an asshole take. As a US citizen, there's no country that would take me in right now. I'm just not eligible to work in any of the other countries I've looked at.
First, I only know English. I know a bit of French because my parents paid for lessons when I was a kid, but I've had zero chance to practice after college. Many Americans have no foreign language experience at all.
Second, what skills can a typical American market? If you don't have any good skills, it's hard to apply for work visa in another country. You could try applying for asylum, but other countries don't really see things as bad enough to take in Americans yet.
Third, how long would it take to apply? A year is typical. Again, you could try asylum which may have an initial time allocation to stay until your hearing. But that only works once countries start accepting Americans' asylum claims.
A lot of people can't afford to move.
And a lot of people want to stay and fight.
In November I woke up ready to bail. but upon reviewing my options, I determined that nowhere was really better.
There seem to be precious few countries that aren't flirting with authoritarian parties right now and leaving this one, where I have my social safety net (friends and family, if not government aid) and at least a small amount of power to vote for my values, to go somewhere where I am an immigrant or refugee and lose the power to change policy seemed to be a poor choice. so far. I'm white, straight and middle class, though, so that may be entirely different math for other people.
I'm choosing to stay and fight.
We are the illegal immigrants now.
I am embarrassed to be American. But I'm also too poor to do anything about it
And that’s what the rich want! The rich getting richer and the poor getting poorer! It’s the new American way sadly!
If only it were that easy.
What country are you in, and what have you done to make it easier for people to claim asylum there?
It shouldn't be important, but do we know their race? I read the article, but I may have missed it. I am assuming they are Hispanic.
sounds like face eating.
Lib fash happy to see any perceived "enemy" attacked.
I bet they didn't even vote for kamalacaust!!! \s
sorry huh? this shouldn't happen. when it does its slightly better if I happens to people who support it.
As much as I want to blame ICE agents for this, they're really just pawns in a much greater scheme.
No, I will direct all my ire towards the ruling class and their families. They are the ones who are conditioning everyone else to hysterically chase ghosts as a distraction from their exploitation.
So you're saying if you ended up in this line of work, you'd just, "follow orders"?
No. I'm saying a good deal of the people choosing to do this have actually had that decision made for them without realizing it.
They're adults, not fucking children, so how are they "having the decision made for them"? They could literally not comply at many points along the way.
Most people can't think for themselves, child or not, and are just doing whatever they think will make them look good in front of their peers.
Hopefully I don't have to write on essay on how the people who stand to profit from sowing this divide manipulate us into thinking we value things that we really shouldn't.
"They're NPCs" isn't the defense you think it is.
Saying they're NPCs is an oversimplification for silly memers like yourself.
What I said was the truth, whether you want to accept it or not.
Now, go off and do whatever you think will make you look good in front of your peers 👍
I legit can't tell if you're trolling or if you legitimately believe this asinine position you're pushing.
They were just following orders, right?
Good ol' Nuremberg defence.
There are some branches of government you can try and put that on, like soldiers who joined to “serve their country” and end up in a war in a country that they didn’t belong into, but ICE literally only does one thing like they have been worse lately but that’s because they can without consequences
I know. I'm trying to see things for what they are and acknowledge that a lot of people will end up joining ICE because of their conditioning by the ruling class to chase ghosts.
"It's not the people getting rich off of exploiting me for why my life sucks, it's those damned immigrants!"
The fact is that most cops are just bad people. No need to blame anybody else.
No need to feel sorry for "soldiers". But I do feel bad for the brainwashed children exploited by the military.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_religion
ICE wanted to do this. Plenty of other agencies have resisted Trump's orders in court. In contrast, ICE was given permission to be the version of themselves they always wanted to be, and this is what it is.
Why did they want to do this, though?
There are certain types of cops who take the job because they get to do stuff like this. I personally don't understand the mindset at all and I'm not going to try to explain it. It's just very clear that they relish the opportunity to do it.
You know how police are regularly accused of having racial prejudice? The common joke is that you join ICE if you're too racist to be a regular cop.
It's not a joke tho.
We had police just following orders during WWII in France. This is not a proud moment of our history, we pardon but we do not forgive.
There's plenty of ire to go around, in my book.
Every ICE agent that follows these orders is also to blame. These people are the foot soldiers of fascism.
"Don't blame the SS. Just following orders. Blame the leadership!"
Well, they're not entirely wrong. The participants should, of course, be accountable, but not exclusively the direct participants. After World War II, we did hold those leaders to account, which is a history lesson that Merrick Garland apparently missed.
Pawns don't have to move.
It’s ICE bootlicker.
Don't blame ice because of blank. Blame blank and blame ice. blame the tools as well as the fools.