Spyke
lemm.ee

If this arrest doesn't happen, democracy is one step closer to the grave.

A lot of shit has happened to destroy democracy so far (has anyone been keeping a list?), but if billionaires see that they can now buy votes, nothing will stop them from doing it over and over again. We will be Russia.

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IninewCrowreply
lemmy.ca

and its becoming blatant and bold

Muskrat isn't doing this for any other reason other than to test and expand the boundaries. It's challenging the American people .... if he can go this far and allowed to get away with it, then it will become the norm. The fault won't be that he is doing it ... the fault will be the American people who put up with this crap.

I've given up on trying to understand dumb American politicians .... I'm completely disillusioned and lost hope in the American people.

It's not a small group of billionaires that will destroy democracy in America ... it will be an entire nation of people who just stand aside and watch everything burn without saying or doing a thing about it.

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I’ve given up on trying to understand dumb American politicians

It's easy. They are cowards, and they are for sale. If money doesn't make them snap to attention, threats will. I also think a healthy percentage of them have been to Russia, and those are being blackmailed.

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lemmy.blahaj.zone

At this point democracy is so far underground that only a Level 17 necronancer can resurrect it

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I'll probably get called a commie but at it's core, is this version of democracy working well? I'm all for equal rights but if the majority of people are incapable of understanding what it takes to run a nation, how do we trust them to vote someone in who will be a good leader?

If it wasn't evident enough during his first campaign that he has no interest in enriching the lives of the average american, his first 4 years in office should have proven he is not trying to help out the blue collar class, if Jan 6 wasn't enough to show he is not a level headed leader then what will? If his second term starting off with trying to start trade wars wasn't enough, then at what point are we going to realize an overwhelming amount of people are always going to vote for terrible candidates?

I'm having trouble reasoning to myself that the current system is capable of bringing progress. It's just constant flipping between a couple parties undoing what the previous administration did, how is this a good thing?

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Jhexreply
lemmy.world

If this arrest doesn't happen, democracy is one step closer to the grave.

Worry not, most Americans are bravely waiting until they have no options left and literally living in squalor before considering any action

In the last 8+ years I have seen the goal post for action moved so many times, I have lost all hope Americans will actually do something for themselves

I guess you won't make fun of French people anymore

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I have seen the goal post for action moved so many times

Yes. I have too. I honestly think I've moved my own goal posts for action, as well. I think most of the people like me feel truly lost about what to do. We need a Martin Luther King, Jr figure to unite and direct.

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I guess you won't make fun of French people anymore

It's stupid now but it was already stupid when they did it before, so I don't why that would change

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lemm.ee

A lot of people strongly believe that God will protect them from whatever terrible Biblical punishments are going to befall the Liberals, Minorities, and Gays. They seem to forget that the Divine Retribution they are praying for so hard always carries enormous collateral damage. SEE: Ark, Noah's, also Sodom/Gommorah, also Plagues, Egyptian, etc.

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drhodlreply
lemmy.world

Also, the people who think like this, are actually being evil, so their belief brings their own doom. TLDR: If you're a cunt who sits back and revels in the suffering of those you don't like, you aint going to heaven....

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Donkterreply
lemmy.world

I'm at the point where I know he won't face consequences because he's rich. But an arrest and trial would at least be sanity.

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drhodlreply
lemmy.world

Unless...hear me out....he fucks up the comfort zone of the other rich bastards.

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Damagereply
feddit.it

Caesar was more powerful than the whole Senate

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zephorahreply
lemm.ee

Trump already announced he plans to prosecute anyone trying to enforce the Hatch Act.

The Hatch Act is what makes this illegal.

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"Whoops, the judge ordered us to release them because we did not actually charge them, but they're already in an El Salvador prison 🤷‍♀️"

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You’re asking that like a dictator needs a legal byline for his actions.

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discuss.tchncs.de

It isn't gonna happen. Nothing happened to Trump, nothing will happen to Musk. Too rich, too powerful. Justice is only for the pariahs.

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drhodlreply
lemmy.world

Brian Thompson was rich and powerful too, before he got Luigi'd.

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discuss.tchncs.de

That was a case of civilian, extrajudicial sentencing. Nothing to do with the justice system.

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Democracy is not a step closer to the grave, it’s already dead, just not buried and so now it’s lying on the street , smelling funny and a tad off-colour.

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Brilliant! I'd love to see the finished list when it's done.

I mean, I'd love for it not to have to exist, but here we are.

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lemmy.world

Arrest Of Elon Musk For Felony Vote Buying

YES! FINALLY!

Demanded In Wisconsin

Dude, don't tease me like that

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lemm.ee

Won't happen. While I think all this institutional resistance is good. All of the lawsuits and judge rulings should only be seen as a way meant to delay. Fascism is here. You don't unravel it using the existing institutions and systems.

Delay and prepare. Learn who all your neighbors are. Make sure you can contact all of them quickly and that they can contact you. Your neighbors and your coworkers are who you should be organizing with. Talk to them. Find out who might be a target by ICE. Find out which one of them you can't trust. And of course. Arm yourself.

Elons not getting arrested but we don't have to let them arrest us either. If there is no justice for Elon we can't allow anymore injustice to us.

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midwest.social

He’s actively this second openly buying a Supreme Court seat in Wisconsin. I mean obviously nows the time to do it or never do it.

Nows the time to throw all the knives in the air.

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lemm.ee

Absolutely. And it has my full support. But he won't ever see any consequences. The system made to empower oligarchs isn't going to somehow tear down Oligarchs. But they are still absolutely worth doing as a form of resistance. I just don't yhink people should be naive to think that that is the only part of resistance. It's simply a method of delay to give us more time to organize.

There is only one thing throughout history that has brought people in Elon's class position to justice.

https://youtu.be/acT_PSAZ7BQ

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He can always use his money and connections to run away, and leave America, and never return. I strongly encourage him to do that.

Then we can turn on Big Ballz and the Boys and take care of them next.

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My neighbors literally called my landlord because I let my homeless cousin who lives in his van stay at my house because he had a stroke and they thought he was getting high in his van when he was just smoking cigarettes and sleeping.
I'm unemployed.

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Right??? I had to start over after the first couple words, look at the thumbnail, then start reading again. Fucking hell.

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arotriosreply
lemmy.world

but please not that... and oh god, and definitely not that:

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hemmesreply
lemmy.world

Apparently, it’s not just his heart that’s cold

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Fuck you for making me notice Skums nipple-shadows.

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lemmy.blahaj.zone

Fucking do it already. His approval ratings are pretty low right now (billionaire approval ratings, fucking gross), so I feel like MAGA might not come to his defense this time.

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MouldyCatreply
feddit.uk

I feel like MAGA might not come to his defense this time.

Hope this isn't wishful thinking. Trump thinks his son is a l33t hacker for being able to turn a laptop on. Musk on the other hand owns a major social media platform and has access to skilled technicians and programmers, as well as huge server farms which he doubtless uses to analyse voter behaviour and find the weak points where efforts should be focused in order to have most impact on electoral choices.

Trump certainly understands how essential to the disinfo effort Musk is, even though it's way beyond the grasp of your average MAGA. IMO Trump is not going to abandon Musk in a hurry.

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Maybe. But on the other hand, throwing anyone and everyone under the bus to save his own ass has been Trump's MO for decades...

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lemmy.world

Fucking do it already

Laws are for little people. Nobody in Wisconsin is going to green light this, because nobody has the chutzpah to inconvenience a billionaire.

I feel like MAGA might not come to his defense this time

MAGA isn't the problem. Corporate media and the Trump AG are the problem.

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S_H_Kreply
lemmy.dbzer0.com

"chutzpah"
Alright learnt a new word here. Rougly "cojones" it seems but I'm liking it!

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filtoidreply
lemmy.ml

I often felt from context it was closer to "hubris", as "cajones" might just mean brave.

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damdyreply

Hubris means 'overvalued confidence' I believe. Whereas cajones etc is just stubborn confidence. Similar, but importantly different.

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filtoidreply
lemmy.ml

Would you mind explaining how chutzpah and hubris differ please? I'm not sure I get it.

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lemmy.ca

Hubris is a kind of boastful pride--like a sense of invulnerability. It also implies a kind of dramatic irony, that this sense of invulnerability will eventually prove false. (The term comes from ancient Greek theater, where it's often the Heroic Flaw that will eventually be the undoing of the tragic hero.)

Chutzpah is more...audacity, nerve, gall. A person with chutzpah doesn't believe they can't be harmed; they're just willing to bald-face it out in the hopes you won't actually call them on it. In English it can have a positive connotation, the way "cojones" tends to, but it can also have a negative connotation, like "cheek" or "gall." It comes from Yiddish, where apparently it's more uniformly negative. (Leave it to us Americans to interpret a condemnation of shameless effrontery as somehow laudatory.)

I guess I would say the key difference is that someone with hubris thinks they are invulnerable, whereas a person with chutzpah is aware they are vulnerable and absolutely refusing to act like it.

They're definitely kind of related, but they just have really different feels to them

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Thank you that's good to know. I wasn't aware of any positive affiliation with it. I'll bear it in mind moving forward :)

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prolereply
lemmy.blahaj.zone

Put simply: Chutzpah has more of a positive connotation, while hubris is almost always negative.

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Ah that's interesting, I had thought of it more negatively. It's not a common word where I am, so my knowledge has been gleaned from American media, mostly.

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They'll defend him because if he goes to prison that is now a can of worms they cannot close, the slippery slope they fear the most is society actually putting these people in prison

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sh.itjust.works

Seriously, who would arrest a billionaire? It seems like he has a suit of armor made of money that everyone won't touch. If anyone else walked into the federal agencies and did what he did, they would have been arrested.

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ravelinreply
lemmy.ml

Aside from his money, he is also politically important now. I think that protects him more than anything else now. But he bought political importance with his money, so it's related.

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Next to the president, he literally may be the most untouchable person in the country and is very very high on that same list globally. Even if he somehow does get in trouble for literally anything, he would be pardoned faster than you can say covfefe

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Someone who cares about the laws... Fuck this bullshit... Fuck the guy... Fuck the taxes on the normal people being a minor inconvenience for the rich... Equal fucking rights... The only outlet people have for their anger is to protest a company hes the face of... And they are trying to make that into a crime...

It's been 3 months and this is how far we have fallen...

This country has a lot of issues and it's... Not just the deep seeded racism or sexist roots

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lemmy.ca

He has a suit of armor, but it's not made of money.

The armor of baphomet.

https://futurism.com/elon-musk-christianity-baphomet-armor

https://www.christianpost.com/news/was-elon-musk-just-trolling-his-critics-with-devils-champion.html

https://www.christianpost.com/news/we-asked-grok-whether-its-new-logo-is-a-broken-cross.html

The 53-year-old Tesla and SpaceX CEO told Canadian psychologist Jordan Peterson in an interview last July that the decision to build a supercomputer in Memphis evoked references, at least in part, to the Memphis of ancient Egypt and its pantheon of gods.

“Perhaps that’s where our new god will come from,” Musk said.

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Ohhh gonna save these links for my Christian MAGA parents. Wrinkle their smooth brains a bit.

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"I have the money to have you killed by somebody who has nothing" - solid body armor

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Good point, but it goes from attempted arrest to attempt on his life real quick, instead. And he knows it.

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Youd need top down from gocernment officials... oh wait theyre all ball garglers

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lemmy.nz

Feel like this title should've been Wisconsin Demands Arrest of... Because holy shit my heart skipped a beat to think something might change :(

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Homescoolreply
lemmy.world

Donald Trump, age 76 years, son of Fred and Wilma, said something stupid today.

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You actually got me there, I had to google his mother's name thinking this is the worst prank from the universe ever.

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lemmy.ml

This is not an arrest warrant or anything. It's a Democrat politician saying he should be arrested

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peteyesteereply
feddit.org

I hate "news" like this... It's a waste of time.

One person on Twitter saying something turns into "Twitter says..."

Politician say x in normal pointless conversation and it turns into "democrats/politicians say..."

And people feverishly eat it up.

Our society is fucked.

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Wojworeply
lemmy.ml

I think the people should boycott all headlines with slams in the title. Unless it's about professional wrestling.

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are you suggesting we boycott my boss, Rog, king of the slams?

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Also blasts, blisters, bombshell, claps back, epic self-own, goes viral, melts down, mind-blowing, mocks, rages, rips, scoop, shocking, skewers, slams, staggering, stuns, and trolls.

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Seriously though. Weasel words. If journalists adopted even 20% of Wikipedia's manual of style, news would improve by orders of magnitude.

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lemm.ee

This!

Then aggressively review his widely known to be fraudulently obtained American citizenship, seize his American assets including his companies, and send him back to South Africa.

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fake_meowsreply
lemm.ee

send him back to South Africa

Venezuela might also be nice at this time of year.

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Give him a bunch of tattoos and send him to CECOT.

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lemmy.ca

Throw the dirty immigrant deep in an El Salvadoran prison. Fucking dirtbag. Give him a taste of his own medicine.

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It's imperative they perp walk him through the street in chains with 20 armed police officers first. Maybe the mayor can come out for the photo op

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lemmy.world

A billionaire is never going to suffer a real consequence in America. That’s why we’re so screwed in the first place

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nfreakreply
lemmy.ml

Every day I wake up praying to read the news that someone did the funniest thing to this nazi fuck. I'll settle for an arrest though.

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feddit.dk

Put out an arrest on Peter Thiel too, since he is the real puppet master of all this bs.

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lemm.ee

Apparently this is the new trend among Sociopathic Oligarchs - having their own pet politician. Its exactly the kind of rich guybtrend they would jump on. Then they can compare their collection of politicians like kids comparing baseball or Pokemon cards.

The goal is to be the guy who has a really high level politician on a leash. The MuskRat is clearly thebwinner here, since he owns HitlerPig, but Theil is doing pretty well by owning Vamce. Then there's the guy who owns Clarence Thomas.

I'll bet Sociopathic Oligarchs all over the world are scrambling to lock up control of one politician or another.

This is why we shouldnt allow 1) Billionaires to exist, and 2) money into politics.

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Nangijalareply
feddit.dk

Honestly, and I may be wrong, I think Thiel is the one who owns everybody. Musk is nothing more than the court jester and he is too narcissistic and stupid to realize how he's as much of a puppet as trump is. Maybe even more so. Thiel is really scary because he's actually smart enough to know how to play the game and keep a semi low profile. I think he's happy Musk steals the show.

It may be a conspiracy and I want to wait and see before I commit to it, but there has been some talk about how Thiel's end goal is to destroy old civilization and create techno states where people like him are the overlords who have complete control and freedom to do as they please without any legislations and restrictions getting in their way. He has been talking about this since 2009, maybe even further back, of how he wants his own techno state that is separate from the laws of the rest of the world.

It sounds so fucking insane to me that I haven't really talked to anyone about it in case I'm just falling for some crazy conspiracy shit, but looking at what they have been doing since trump got into office, it certainly looks like they are in the process of actively and knowingly dismantling and destroying America. Musk said as much: that they were going to tear down and rebuild the nation. But fuck it if I know what the true end goal is. It might as well be a bunch of rich boys who have collectively lost their minds and think they are living in a cool action movie and are too stupid to understand what they are doing.

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You are on the right track, but it isn't Theil driving it all. Putin is the real leader, using The MuskRat and HitlerPig as his muscle, and the Sociopathic Oligarchs of the world are all following his lead. The writings of Curtis Yarvin is their Bible, who believes Democracy is a failed system, and the planet should be controlled by those with the money. Obviously, that resonates strongly with the Sociopathic Oligarchs of the world.

But you are correct that the ultimate objective is a New World Order in which the Sociopathic Oligarchs are in complete control, not countries, and the national leaders will be on leashes held by the Sociopathic Oligarchs.

None of this is "conspiracy theory," they all talk about it openly. Vance, for one, quotes Yarvin often.

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Billionaires found a cheat code with stochastic terror. Super effective and seems impossible to legislate around.

0

WHAT DID YOU SAY???

LUIGIDATE MUSK??

::: spoiler The joke:

The joke is that I'm pretending to be a deaf old grandpa

:::

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lemmy.world

state charges too, Trump cant pardon those. Maybe thats the answer for republican law breakers, move all the federal laws to the state books. (Or maybe thats a bad idea, I'm not a lawyer)

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lemm.ee

This is a great idea. Moving everything from the Feds to the states is a core conservative value, so they should welcome this.

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prolereply
lemmy.blahaj.zone

Lol nah. Their only core value is hypocrisy, so they absolutely would not welcome it.

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It's a shame, too. If "states rights" ended up being the fatal flaw in a neo-Confederate coup attempt, that would be just desserts.

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Jhexreply
lemmy.world

They care about this as much as they care about proper handling of classified information

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lemm.ee

They'll care plenty when their representatives start getting tossed in state penitentiaries, where they can't be pardoned.

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Jhexreply
lemmy.world

Lol yeah, right

Rule of law for fascists does not apply in fascism buddy

You literally have a convicted felon as president

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lemm.ee

States are different from Federal. If a blue state incarcerates a MAGA leader, there's nothing HitlerPig can do to get them loose, short of military force.

It would be fun to snatch up Jr on a cocaine charge.

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Jhexreply
lemmy.world

Oh yeah? How is that Georgia election racketeering going for Trump now?

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A state will never get HitlerPig, he's got SCOTUS immunity superpowers, but that immunity doesn't extend to anyone else. If one of his henchmen has broken state laws, throw the state book at them.

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We need exercise our second amendment and the citizens need to arrest

Elon Musk, Donald Trump, JD Vance, Pete Hegseth, Clarence Thomas, Big Balls and associated hacker coup, Peter Theil, Tulsi Gabbard, John Roberts, Jared Kushner, Steve Miller, Brett Kavanaugh and all January 6th rioters

I think that would be a good start

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lemmy.world

please, please, please.....oh man...please....I love Wisconsin cheese....please.

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I've wanted to see him arrested for a while now too. I wonder if there's a way to class-action sue him for trashing the government/economy. After all, he's unelected and not even technically a government employee - just some rich asshole granted authority without mandate.

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lemmy.dbzer0.com

If I were a republican voter (I'm not), and the richest man in the world was buying votes for my preferred party, that would be a huge red flag because it's very obvious that my own interests are not well aligned with the richest man in the world.

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davidgroreply
lemmy.world

If you were a republican voter or even on the fence, it means you would not be thinking about it like that using logic.

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null_dotreply
lemmy.dbzer0.com

I hear what you're saying, but I think my point is that it doesn't require "logic" it's just basic threat aversion.

Perhaps the missing link is that people don't realise that Musk's interests are not aligned with their own.

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Indeed. Poor people here think they are millionaires - just not yet.

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lemmy.world

The difference between luigi and whoever kills Musk is that the person who kills Musk will have had a possitive impact

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lemmy.world

Whoever killed that Deathcare CEO had a positive impact, then billionaires spent a lot of time and money to try to turn the narrative. Note there were a lot of conservatives that werent against it until they watched a week and a half of propaganda to find out what they believed again. I think it showed a few people that the healthcare system is flawed, and clearly the justice system is. Was it 300 million, no. Was it 3 million, maybe. Even if 1% learned something from it, I'd say that's huge for a population this late in the capitalism game

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lemmy.world

UHC is as shit today as it was before. Even their aneasthesia coverage changes was basically the day after meaning they already planned the reversal beforehand.

The Republicans who appreciate Luigi are still going to vote against fixing Healthcare next election. Nobody learned any lessons.

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blakenongreply
lemmings.world

Lmfao, private healthcare shill. I can’t wait for you to get a bankrupting medical bill, magat

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lemmy.world

Political action time and time again is proven to expand socialized healthcare, forces insurance companies to be competitive.

Luigi in the only test ever accomplished nothing and will never accomplish again because he is going to prison and nobody else is dumb enough to take up the mantle.

You're misguided for thinking murder worship opposes the injustices in healthcare industry.

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blakenongreply
lemmings.world

It’s not murder to kill private sector health insurance ceos, it’s self defense. These people decide to kill people every day by denying claims and bankrupting people with poor coverage. Healthcare is a right, not something only for the wealthy. If insurance companies would stop focusing on profit, they wouldn’t be getting shot at.

You can consider me misguided, but I don’t value your opinion—your opinion isn’t fact.

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lemmy.world

Even the UHC, probably rhe worst company in the US not including health sharing ministries, is a net positive compared to no health insurance. The large majority of claims get approved, wealth gets redistributed to cover those who need it.

If people don't want companies making massive profit of off peoples' sickness and debts then there is a political party with that stance. But the US en masse keeps choosing suffering, choosing to create CEOs like Brian.

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You’re disconnected from humanity.

The reason private health care exists is because of greed. Most of the world has moved on to socialized healthcare of some sort. Americans have been programmed their whole lives to say “something is better than nothing.”

You’re blaming the people for not having better politicians? Which people? The people 60 years ago, who really are the ones that set the course we are on?

And you call me misguided? Who guided you into apathetically accepting that greed is the norm?

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You have to be fucking kidding me 😂

net positive compared to no health insurance

Let me stop you right there. Health insurance is a blight on humanity. They do NOT provide healthcare. We have invented the need for insurance, the need for an intermediary who does not have medical expertise or training to be involved in decisions about healthcare. This is not a net positive in any way. A single denied claim makes it a negative. The millions of deaths caused by insurance companies were largely preventable. For everyone keeping score at home, that does appear to me to be what we call a "net negative", unless they provide some incredible benefit that somehow wipes that all away.

If people don't want companies making massive profit of off peoples' sickness and debts then there is a political party with that stance

[Citation needed]

But the US en masse keeps choosing suffering, choosing to create CEOs like Brian.

What a fucking heartless statement of victim blaming. You appear to have no intersectional understanding, and no awareness of the actual reality faced by a large majority of USians.

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lemmy.world

Good... something something shithole country (Trump's words, not mine)

Send fElon packing

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How have we not learned from Trump's legacy that there's a net worth threshold that once breached is a permanent get out of jail card?
This isn't complicated--these oligarchs have been definitively above the law since the very first days that laws existed

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lemmy.world

Americans...why are you just allowing this to happen to your country, like what's it going to take for you people to actually do something?

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We're slaves living paycheck to paycheck and nobody cares about each other.

This system will collapse before we hold rich white men accountable

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We're pretty conditioned to obey. Like, you can be a rebel and insult people or be racist or sexist or "anti-social," but you go to work and pay your bills. We're also, mostly, in debt up to our eyeballs the stress of which gives a powerful myopia. Average Americans are way poorer than tv would have you think.

Thirty percent of the population doesn't even bother to vote as they've basically given up, maybe for one of the reasons above or maybe because the government has little to do with day to day life, or maybe something else.

There's also like a third of the population that is super happy about these developments. It the most amazing thing to have a king again and get back to how things are supposed to be.

There's also a sort of general American optimism that is super persistent: if you do good, then it'll be ok. We're hyper individualized. Do the best you can with what you have. Don't put anyone out, or depend on anyone else.

Unfortunately, things will have to get a lot worse to motivate us.

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rabberreply
lemmy.ca

Most people in US just stare at their phone all day so they're probably fucked

9

The bread and circuses plan from Rome worked.

Might get interesting when DOGE removes the bread for a lot of people.

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I would say it started with mass adoption of iPhone. When I go to states I'm amazed that literally everyone is just looking at their phone, big headphones on, hood up, XXL sweatpants. It's like human interaction ain't allowed anymore lmao

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I'll express from someone living in a red state. The fuck am I going to do? I'm over half a thousand miles away from the state he's fucking with, and he's probably not there most of the time and again thousands of miles over, with all the power of money to get him wherever the fuck he wants to go vs my little car.

So build up support. A third of this country voted for this, and a third of this country sat out. So you've got a third that's actively angry about this, but scattered literal thousands of miles across the country. Kinda hard to gather to this. Sure we gather to protest but this administration isn't going to give two shits about it, this entire situation is proving that. But gathering and protesting IS the power we have so we're doing that. Unfortunately the cameras aren't on that because the people supporting this are the ones with the media.

As someone put it, most of us are slaves to our paychecks, living on the barest margin of survivability, and that's been the way for decades. Y'all get to see the chest thumping "America is the greatest place!" but lets be honest, most of us are so disaffected that what we're watching is the horror of a monster taking over, but the country we were raised in and told to love there will be very little sadness when its gone, just sadness for how evil it will become. But that living paycheck to paycheck means in order for me to go somewhere where I can maybe put up resistance because right now I'm surrounded by people who support this... and these are the people who have been arming up in ready for a war for years... would be to uproot completely, and even the bluest of blue states would happily let me die in a gutter if I don't have job. So either I stay and support people who will be hurt when it gets worse, or I become at best a martyr, or at worst, another statistic that the news may not even bother reporting.

The answers will vary, but why are we allowing this to happen? I'll say my answer, some of us have been fighting this for years, over a decade since the Tea Party got mad that a black man was president, have been struggling to change the trajectory of this ship away from the iceberg. But I've seen the people of my country as a whole grab the wheel, lock the door and say it's their god given right to drive into the iceberg. So at this point in the analogy I'm just gathering life preservers and making sure people have them on even as many of them will tell me the ship is unsinkable.

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Eruannareply
midwest.social

I was surprised by the number of people who showed up to my local Tesla dealership to protest. It hurts his pocket book indirectly, but it's something.

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Flicreply
mstdn.social

@Eruanna @Elkot I've been following the #TeslaTakedown stuff with interest - some of the protests seem to be enormous. Hopefully it is inviting people to dip their toe in the water, meet some fellow pissed off people, start organising, be visibly against what's happening... It all matters.

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Flicreply
mstdn.social

@Eruanna amazing! And you thought you'd be the only one - I think this is the importance of these - people are realising they're not alone, just because Fox keeps telling them they are

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Absolutely. There's one guy protesting pro trump nearby by himself, I was afraid it'd turn out something like that.

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Easier if the country was the size of something like France. But when you have to clear a thousand miles just to arrive at the halfway point in the US. It's hard to show massive protests.

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lemmy.world

Can't wait to see footage of him melting down in a cell.

No ketamine. No hand servants. Nobody listening to his threats.

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fedia.io

He will be granted bond and, being rich, bond out almost immediately after any booking. Unless the judge has balls enough to not grant bond, which is doubtful, he's gonna be there all of a couple hours.

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MrQuallzinreply
lemmy.world

Just make no grugs or alcohol part of his bond conditions. He'll break that pretty quick and give the judge even more leverage to lock him up, even if temporarily

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He will be under house arrest and will be allowed to stay within any home, car, or aircraft that he owns.

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Lock him up! Lock him up! Lock him up! Our tax dollars made him so rich he is now an enemy of the free world. He has already declared war on the working class we need to neutralize this threat for the future of democracy in the world. This needs to happen NOW!

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lemmy.world

I think this went to court during the presidential election and if I remember correctly the court said that you can pay people to encourage them to vote but you cant pay them to vote for a certain candidate. So I dont see this going anywhere.

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Don't Worry! The COURTS are on that! They have their Stern Letters READY TO GO!

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lemmy.ca

This situation has killed democracy in the world, showing it's worst downside: It's ability to self destroy.

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lemmy.ca

IDK if it killed democracy because it can fail. Almost all systems of government have failed.

The only one that hadn't (yet) is democracy.

Not sure why anyone would be surprised that democracy has a best before date...

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Etterrareply
discuss.online

That's literally not true. It's true in America, so far, but plenty of democratically elected leaders have become dictators.

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This isn’t going to happen.

Trump already made a point of saying, in November, after he won, he would go after anyone trying to enforce the Hatch Act. I’ve already posted the 6 min speech several times, it doesn’t show up in Google searches for some reason. YouTube. RFK channel. Trump 1A speech. Green crayon subtitles. 6min.

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lemmy.world

Is this how we start Civil War II? Because I sincerely think Trump would declare war on Wisconsin if this ends up happening.

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Yes, lock him up!!!

I’m going to dream real good tonight…even if I know it would never come to pass.

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I don't think most people get a direct, personal warning of the possibility of being arrested.

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lemmy.world

Dream a little dream with me...

Don't let me disturb you, I'm just gonna park these here:

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AoxoMoxoAreply
lemmy.world

Would dumping a bucket of boiling piss down his throat be too good ?

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NABDadreply
lemmy.world

The president can't pardon someone for state crimes.

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lemmy.ca

Who is going to stop him ? They're already blackbagging people, and you still think there are laws.

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A pardon is just words in the same way a law is. Someone has to implement them, and in this case it would require state officials to act rather than people who can be fired if they don't do it.

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If musk was actually arrested and denied bail, and looked like he might actually face real legal consequences, I would not be terribly surprised if Trump just sent in the feds to strong arm their way into getting them to hand Elon over. They'd probably have some executive order that isn't even remotely legal and basically just use it as a veneer of legitimacy while threatening to take him by force if they don't comply.

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He could give it away. But giving it away implies that you get nothing in return. He's trying to buy things illegally with it.

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lemm.ee

Why did they warn him first? How stupid was that?

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dev_nullreply
lemmy.ml

What, is he going to go into hiding and lay low?

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I would assume he would just defund the state law enforcement agencies premptively using DOGE.

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About fucking time. Let's see if they actually bring charges.

If this piece of filth can literally offer million dollar prizes to people that vote how he wants then we have no need of a government any longer.

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Nobody's getting the money, it's going to predetermined "winners" like last time so it isn't technically a lottery.

And it's not about the money, it's about getting people to vote that wouldn't otherwise

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