Trump threatens 'far larger' tariffs if EU and Canada unite to do 'economic harm' to the U.S.
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He can not seem to grasp that your enemy is allowed to fight back and if you make enemies of friends eventually that is all you will have.
...anything, really. And his closest henchmen know this well, too! Just read the entire chat on Signal.
They're just using him because he pulls (or used to pull) public consensus, while working around his bullshits.
He's just gone. Nothing's going on upstairs. I sometimes think of an ancient clip of Ali G trying to sell him some kind of ice cream glove and there was enough brainpower to realize it was bullshit and try to get out of that situation. Now tho, there is nothing there. He doesn't grasp the most basic things.
President musk really need to stop Trump from talking
The word is "crybully"
Putin's idiot cuck.
Classic bully / troll behavior. Always the aggressor yet also always the victim.
Must be nice he learned from russia
Im thinking there’s another country he wants to be besties with.
standard sexual abuser.
I'm not condoning it, but he sees
thishis original actions as retaliation. Or purports to see this as retaliation. Sigh.Edit for clarity
Just like how Putin sees Russia's invasion of Ukraine as retaliation, or claims to. Great minds think alike, I guess.
He has concepts of what he's trying to do
It's like he can't comprehend that other people would react to his actions.
He raised tariffs, other nations reduced trade with the US and looked elsewhere. If he continues to raise tariffs it will inevitably cause the US to be isolated in trade.
It's not even a shocking/daring tactic, it's a self destructive tantrum because his misunderstanding has led to mismanagement and now he's doubling down
This doubling down is really telling...
It's like someone showed him a plastic toy mallet and it's the only tool he's aware of in his toolbox.
It's a move to spur domestic manufacturing and move the US to Autarky — straight out of Hitler's playbook; albeit an incompetent attempt because he's a mentally challenged degenerate.
Autarky isn't bad — covid highlighted the weaknesses that capitalism and globalism created for every economy — but Trumps goals are not risk mitigation or "national security", and he certainly intends for it to enable imperialist wars and conquests. The fact is the allies won WW2 largely because of US manufacturing capacity (Europes was destroyed). China could take Taiwan tomorrow and the world would have to let them as we are entirely reliant on Chinese manufacturing; they could cripple us if they halted exports.
I agree with almost everything here, but I don't think an embargo on China would be as damaging as you think it would.
It would hurt, don't get me wrong, but China is largely in the position it is now because the developed world was looking for cheap labour and China fit the bill. There is no lack of underdeveloped nations who would gladly shift their economy if it meant they could support a fraction of the manufacturing supply that China currently commands. Africa and South America (not a single nation, I know but this is true of many African and South American nations so I'm combining for simplicity's sake) is positioned both politically and geographically, to be a sudo-China in terms of manufacturing if the wider world decides to embargo China-proper.
The US and EU pulling out of China would devastated them far more than it would affect the former. I'd like to think that the EU at least, would be willing to withstand some economic damage to aid another nation in need.
It took 30 years for Chinese manufacturing to reach what it is today.
Yes, other countries would love to take on that role.
But it would take another 30 years, IF China cooperated and pushed the transition like the west did. Which they won't.
But that only takes into account the time when China started their shift into manufacturing. China has been THE dominant manufacturer for at least 20 years now. So we shouldn't judge by today, but should judge by their rise to dominance.
Plus having a distribution of countries to use as manufacturers allows for specialists to emerge, likely speeding up their individual adoption of the role they choose.
And why would China cooperate with their own exclusion from the world market? And even if they chose economic suicide, why would their assistance be required for other countries to become manufacturers?
China doesn't need to push the transitioning. Juat like you said, the previous time that push was done by the west. The same west can do the same push again.
I'm not well read on india's modern manufacturing capabilities, but I do know that they have been trying for a while to up their manufacturing exports and entice jobs that would normally go to china. 1 billion ppl is a competitive sized workforce.
If America and EU needed an immediate substitute, india could fit the bill.
This is exactly it. There are plenty of options, removing what is currently the best option just means picking the next best and so on and so on until we reach stability
Not really, for the same reasons Russia's economy is now in the shitter: sure they could sell oil to another country, but changing the whole infrastructure is not something that can be done in days. Same with moving the whole production of goods to a completely new country.
Also consider that nowadays western countries have lost the knowhow to produce efficiently goods (while their service industry still remains unmatched)
I can see the point your making. I'm not suggesting it'd be easy but if we moving to Russia as the example Russia would be the standin for China, not the wider world.
Russia's economy is now shit because they got embargoed, as China's would be, it hurt the wider world briefly, but that has mostly passed.
And I didn't suggest western countries take on the brunt of the manufacturing, I suggested it should be countries that would benefit from the overhaul to their economy
To be fair, if you look at it from the perspective of a narcissist who has never been told "no" his entire life, it makes perfect sense.
Exactly, he doesn't know how to negotiate because a negotiation involves give and take. Trump has only ever known take, take, take
He learned from Putin, it's all taking and gaslighting
This song describes this mentality well
For many years I have argued that Putin's actions in Ukraine and Europe "make sense" based on the assumption that no country in the world actually has agency in its actions other than a handful of superpowers - Russia, the US, and China. Any other country not on that list must be a vassal state of one of the ones that is, so if the Eastern European countries are no longer Russian vassals then that must logically mean they are now American vassals.
It would appear that Trump is under a similar delusion. He's apparently trying to beat countries into submission that he views as already being American vassals. Hence why he thinks stuff like the "51st state" garbage is no big deal, since in his view Canada's already 90% of the way to being a state anyway.
I agree. He seems to think countries should be paying tribute to the US.
No "seems" necessary. Just look at him and Vance berating Zelenskyy for not thanking them.
I'm sorry, but I completely disagree. I don't see any evidence for this vassal worldview (apart from extreme cases like Belarus and Russia). Without that first assumption the whole premise falls apart.
Even assuming the main characters (MC) and vassals idea is true to reality, the rest of the argument is flimsy at best. Even if a MC loses a vassal through mismanagement or foreign interference, that doesn't automatically mean that the vassal has a new MC overlord. They could be in a limbo state where some of the MCs are vying for control.
As for Trump, I think it's much less of a stretch to assume that Trump loves the sound of his own voice and what better way to hear his own voice than to create sound bites, hence the 51st state nonsense. If anything Trump's actions say to me that he has NO capacity for the mental mapping required to envision this kind of complex interweaving of interests and angles that is geopolitics. I find it even less likely that this is the one he would subscribe to.
Maybe vassals is too strong-worded to describe the phenomenon. But living in western Europe I have firsthand experience in the relationship between the US and my country in the past decades. The US offered protection to the "free world", but of course this comes at a price. The US had to be regarded as a role model in many ways, and everything that came out of the US, was copied and implemented verbatim. Which made the US the de facto puppet master and they really liked that role. This relationship was carefully orchestrated and nurtured by the US from the end of WW2 onwards, and the effect was that European countries embraced this strategy and viewed the US in a positive light, no obvious power play or bullying necessary. But the fact is, there always was a strong dependency on the US, and this was by US design.
Trump doesn't realize that there was good reason for choosing such a "soft" strategy, he can't because bullying is his only available tactic. He will soon find out that his perceived european vassal states don't respond as well to hostility and blackmail as he might have expected.
I see what you're saying, although I think it was a joint effort by the US and the EU. And it was short-sighted on both their parts.
The EU is feeling the heat that comes from a lapse in personal security and the US will find out that they aren't the power they thought they were without their allies.
If Trump isn't corrected it could all come crashing down for the US and the EU.
Why for the EU?
It's much easier to produce military hardware than to set up a large trading network.
Remember, we only need to have enough to decisively stop the Russia. We don't need to become another US military power.
Because it never stops at just stopping the enemy, the allies could have simply contained Nazi Germany but chose to invade. The US could have continued the war in the Pacific but chose to drop 2 atomic bombs.
Beating the enemy so thoroughly is the only way humans have ever been able to truly end a conflict of that scale, and in that situation if Europe is to beat Russia like that I don't believe they'd hesitate to start launching nukes.
So we're stuck in a situation where Europe either risk nuclear war, or an extended border skirmish that could last decades. Both would be devastating
I just hope that the EU and other major powers blacklist Yarvin's Cabal from living or operating in their territories. The 1%'s money is tainted, as it would surely be used to corrode and destroy countries as it had the US.
That's the goal. He isn't a Kremlin asset, he is a Pyongyang asset, implementing Juche in the US ;)
I'm the stablest, geniusest potus the world has even seen. When does the Mt Rushmore amendment start that's all I want to know
If he's stable that explains the horse shit...
Apparently that what it will take to wake up Congress and the voting populace.
Ah, so that's why he loves them so much.
Me and a group suggested he's not using a fake tan. His orange tint is caused by being pissed on
He needs to drink more water and less Diet Coke!
.... Like the economic harm you're doing to Europe and Canada?
You're literally that bully that's starts screaming "don't hit ME!" when the victims punch back
I would be surprised if Donald hadn't done precisely that in its childhood.
US: Bashes Canada for no reason. Starts a trade war.
Canada: Makes new trade partners.
US: Canada how dare you find other trade partners! Come back here so I can bash you again!
Keep doing what you are doing Europe and Canada
This.
The only person doing economic harm to the US is him.
do it, cunt. the US relies on the EU and its neighbors way more than they rely on the US. you don't even make shit anymore, and whatever you do make isn't up to standards anyway. no one needs the US.
The only thing the US exports is tax avoiding, minimum viable product supplying, data collection companies.
Not only does the rest of the world not need that shit, they're better off without it.
Fuck the US and everything it has come to stand for.
Isn't trump the one actually pushing economic harm to the US? Maybe he should look into that.
Yes, he's creating chaos so that robber barons can capitalize on it to grow their own wealth at the cost of everyone else's
He's destroying international relationships to remove US superpower status, to give more regional hegemony to Russia and China (probably just Russia, China gets it for free).
And he's displacing the US dollar as the global currency. Contributes to the first two items and has long term effects on their global hegemony.
The trump regime’s only purpose is to TANK the US economy so that stocks, businesses, and industries can be bought by billionaires at rock bottom prices.
Not that I am doubting this as a tactic but has this been reported in my any large organisations?
No, because the ultra wealthy OWN the media outlets.
They are the ones already owning the companies. It's not like the middle class had much of the ownership lol
"The bottom 90% of Americans own approximately 7% to 11% of all stocks. This highlights the significant concentration of stock ownership among the wealthiest individuals in the U.S. ."
Trump is hurting the rich. Which is hilarious because it's not like he has anyone else's interests in mind ahahaha
Oh yeah, his top buddy Putin
The wealthy can always try to own more.
Each time this happens, it’s another transfer of wealth from the bottom to the top.
The top takes more, and the bottom has to fight amongst themselves for a smaller and smaller piece of the pie.
Trump fucks everything up forcing nations to find other economic alternatives then says I will destroy you if you work together. This is the plot of a bad 70's comic book.
Once people find or develop those alternatives they wont be back for at least a few generations. Trump doesn't understand that other countries can and will find a replacement for US goods and if necessary US customers. I'm sure though some who are in the right position are ready to exploit this for their own gain. Trump is more than a fool he is a tool.
Trump has his personal wealth secure via private dinners in maralago. Everything else is for them.
Trumps wealth depends on him keeping the GOP on his side. The second he loses his lock on them his future is very uncertain. He is already losing more and more ground with the people and unless he can do the old brown shirt thing like hitler in four years he is out.
He’s Hindenburg his whole job is setting up the next Hitler. That’s his plan anyway. You can see on his face he already knows how this ends for him.
Yet another thing that is beyond our willfully ignorant American Republican's comprehension.
Adults cooperate with others who are open to mutually beneficial cooperation. Babies (and largely seniors past 70 as we become very similar to our sunrise at the sunset of life) kick and scream demanding to get their way the way they want it.
I'm a 40 year old manchild who collects movie props and even I know that.
What piece in your collection are you the most proud of?
The one that started it all.
In 1999 Blockbuster video had a contest, giving away 1 full size episode 1 Yoda made by Industrial light and magic in every state. I didn't know about the contest until the last day, put in my entry, and he's been looking over my room, now office, ever since, keeping me contemplative ever since.
Either that or a trap used in Ghostbusters 2 that I had signed by Dan Aykroyd. But probably Yoda.
you have a genuine ILM yoda? fuck me that's priceless.
This is the internet.
Please tell me it hasnt been modified for... alternative use.... and just purely sits on the shelf.
The original life-size mechanical t-rex from the first Jurassic Park movie.
Next, I'll use a shotgun, and aim for my entire leg instead of just the foot!!
Trump is like a doll and when you squeeze it all it says: "Tariffs!"
Please destroy our economy… I really want to buy a house.
I really don't think that's how it works. Like no one has ever sold their house below market to such an extent that one would run to buy it. That makes no sense. If you lose your house, it goes to the bank.
but banks dont want houses. they want the balance of the loan. in a moderate recession realestate will get auctioned fast and low.
Okay. Whatever you say Mr. Let me know when that happens so I can get one too!
I mean, anecdotally, I do know someone that bought a new build in mid 2008 for about 60k-ish less than what everyone else in the neighborhood bought for (earlier or later). The company building out the subdivision was pretty desperate and he had a solid stable job as a trucker. He managed to get all kinds of perks and stuff too.
A discount of $60000 is not "nothing at all". At current rates, it's about $300 off your monthly payment.
That's $300 more than I can spare.
oh, you'll know. talk to friends and family who may have been through this before. make a plan (or five) for something that works. there are paths depending on your goals - individual, multi-family, communal, etc. only you (and other potential participants) know what you might want to achieve.
the most important thing its talking to people who have been through it before. start doing that so you have some inkling of what to look for and what might work if you have resources. a great deal of it is luck but some of it is forethought.
reminder: none of this is competent financial advice and you should probably ignore it.
Just google "foreclosure auction" in your area. Those houses will generally sell below market.
Or just use any other better search like Bing or duckduckgo. googol sucks and was never any good.
I can see you weren’t around when the fallout of 08 happened. Read some articles about the 08 crash. With all of these people losing their jobs, you don’t think there will be ramifications to that? The job market is complete shit right now, more people looking than jobs available. The dominoes have been tipped and are starting to fall. The sooner you realize that the better you will be on the recovery. There’s a bad moon rising and trouble is on the way.
House prices cratered during 2008-2014... So did interest rates.
But it's gonna be interesting all the way to the wild west.
There has never been a president like donald.
This is true but I personally am not gonna be selling my house for a low low price just because Hitler is the president.
Think it through for a minute. You won't be selling.
And you won't be buying.
I was lucky enough to be able to leverage a VA loan, and had a solid and secure job during the 2008 recession, which is the ONLY reason I was able to buy a home. Ever.
I couldn't do it today. Not 3 years ago during "The bestest economies evar!" Not 6 years ago while the admin was "Making American Great Again"...
Nope, it was because of a recession, so houses sat on market for 4 or 5 months. Almost any offer was being taken. I even talked the seller down 9K on my home. That's how bad it was.
On behalf of almost every Brit...... Bring it on you orange cunt
It would be sweet if we could create some trade/ military alliance similar to the EU between the ol' Commonwealth gang.
"I plan to shoot myself on the dick EVEN HARDER this time"
Another year of this, and these threats will carry about as much weight as North Korea threatening you with sanctions.
Next year will be the effects of this year yeah. This shit is a slow motion genocide like a giant molasses flood.
There's an old saying that says: "Tarrif me once, shame on you. Tarrif me twice - you can't get tarrifed again".
I'm pretty sure that was deliberate. Bush didn't want a soundbite of him saying shame on me.
Yeah, it's really a rare instance of quick thinking on his part (relatively)
Even a blind hen finds the corn some of the time.
lol Eric cartman was created for this guy
shut the fuck up and do it you cunt, it's about time we unite to put you out of your collective misery
Donald should have been punched in the mouth when he was a teenager. All his rich classmates at boarding school are to blame.
Agreed.
A good walloping may not fix stupid, but it sure could muffle the sound!
Remember he said he was going to make mexico pay for that wall? The wall was never completed.
He built some wall. Mostly just in places there was already baracades, but yeah everyone always called the wall a joke. Blue areas existed pre-trump, red is what he put up
Why is that map mirrored ?
It isn't?
Is that not Florida on the left?
Baja California Peninsula.
Correction: Baja AMERICA Peninsula!
I hope Florida will be further left on April 1.
Florida ist further to the right. The state on the right side is Texas. That left part you saw as Florida is Mexico
I see. Not being from America, I think it being zoomed in threw me.
Understandable! I can see how the left side can look like a shriveled up Florida.
Florida decided to reattached to Baja peninsula
Bring it on Trumpet, USA can't stand upto EU's economic power
He (like Putin) is afraid of the EU. He won’t be able to take Canada if they are allied with the EU
Oh now we just GOTTA unite with Canada!
What does Trump think is far larger than 25%? I'd swear that he thought that 25 was as high as numbers go. Someone must have told him about 26.
K. 🤷🏼♀️🇨🇦
Choo choo! He comes the recession.
His idiots already think it's fine, and simply say "it's temporary" when you bring this up. Like... Bitch WE'RE temporary.
The only one doing economic harm to America is this orange assclown.
Man with 7 bankruptcies promises this time things will be great.
The US is not the only purchasing country numbnuts. He seems to think it's the 1950s when it was (essentially) only the US with purchasing power. Companies will just try to sell internationally.
Not surprising, seeing as how the entire party is based around a violently enforced sitcom-esque vision of an eternal 1950's.
What a joke
We will impose bigger tariffs, a lot of people say they haven't seen tariffs so big, maybe ever and the EU, when you look at Canada the trade deals we have and I saw them and I said "no way, José!" and then I deported him folks, and the tariffs, the EU is going to pay for them and ours are much bigger than theirs! EU economists, big economists came to me with tears in their eyes and they said Mr President we can't take those tariffs but when Canada who is our state really folks but they bring in so much fentanyl that we just have to tariff them unless they join our amazing and best healthcare system that Obama and crooked Joe ruined, but now it's already better than ever
That's way to coherent and he doesn't have energy to make that large speech.
Irrefutable logic:
A -> B
I don’t like B, therefore more A.
It really is like Homer being angry he's not allowed in the No Homers Club
And by “economic harm” what he means is asking for a deal that suits him and fucks the other country over.
Edit; had to rewrite this cause I said Trumps deals would be fair.
By "economic harm" he means don't try to stop me. Don't fight back. Just take it like a good little victim.
I totally ballsed that up. I’m going to have change it.
Ok.
Hey dipshit (not OP), the whole point of tariffs is to reduce imports. Of course a, sane person would ramp them up over time to allow any domestic production the chance to fill the gaps.
Not to mention some sectors will probably see a loss in revenue as costs become out of reach due to more expensive labour. Not to mention the movement of wealth from bottom to top also reduces people's spending power so if you make things more expensive at the same time... Well... Wcgw? Lol.
All you need to look at soybean and steel tariffs and brexit, all are result of successful Russian propagandam
Why would you want to reduce imports anyway?
“China is sending us cheap cars! What are we gonna do?!”
Idk man, drive the cars and use the money you saved for something else? Seems like a good deal to me.
They are often done to ensure local production of critical infrastructure or to compensate foreign markets from subsidizing their exports
I get the premise, it just seems silly. If a foreign company wants to give you steeply-discounted stuff, it seems like you ought to take the cheap stuff and enjoy it rather than worry about being unable to sell the same stuff as cheaply.
Canada, all you have to do is outlast us, then buy us up for cheap once Trump decides to give up.
From the guy who complains about having to pay for stuff, pretending it's a subsidy.
Sure, we can reciprocate. Further, the more tariffs he puts on, the more likely we all are to remove trade restrictions on other partners.
Guy responsible for the "great success" USMCA hates the "unfair" USMCA.
Shut up Donnie.... go have your diaper changed again
Always Opposite Day with these clowns. Everything was fine before tariffs. For every action there’s a reaction. You caused this baby carrot
Our Dumbass in Chief is showing just how little his peepee is.
Turn off the power
Ah, he thinks choosing to take our balls and play with each other, rather than him, is against the rulesv I see. Can't wait to see how this plays out.
Like, I know this is what Poutin planned to happen, but what does Donny Dorko here think the end result is going to be?
On a different note, so goodbye to the smallest and cheapest cars in the US market. Porsches will be fine though
Christian Lindner enters the chat
Big Cheeto energy, what a blow hard
he's gotta get his "deal" or whatever the fuck this is about well before the midterms when he losses his majority.
ideally you can get some non-senile democrat leadership in place before then.. but i guess not. rot is deep.
Seems to be board suooort for thsi shitstain and his acolytes and hes making voting much harder
You falsely assume there is going to be midterms....
This is important yet I don't think many in the US have understood it, hence the weak responses given by the democrats, and the republicans not caring much for the troubled town hall meetings (apart for their personal security)
Be aware that you will not get elections for the midterms, Trump did mention there will be no more presidential elections during his campaign trail but I think we are witnessing the last few federal votes (Fla 6th district the coming week). Then it will be set in stone.
And as his administration said: courts, including the supreme court is all talk and don't have real power over them.
Well I really hope we don’t get the conservatives in in this coming election so we can actually help the rest of the world fight back against this piece of shit and his stupid fuck ass country.
Honestly the one silver lining with America's current shitshow is that it turned a near-certain Conservative majority into a likely Conservative loss.
I just hope the rest of the world is ready to help us fight back
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What an absolute DOTARD
The world: American tariffs mean we have to de-integrate with the USA and connect with new trading partners.
Trump: If you do that, I'll create more tariffs!
Empty room:
Trump: Shit.
Canada: Fuck off Donnie!
Krasnov really means that he will TRY to destroy Europe if they don't kiss his ass.
I heard he said these new tariffs are gonna be "yuge"