Bill presented that would make disliking Trump grounds for an involuntary mental health hold
This came up in my health care forum.
Right now, you can legally detain someone medically when they are a danger to themselves or others for up to 72hrs. The details vary by state, but this is how we lock down individuals trying to suicide or someone mentally off the rails making threats of violence.
This variation on that law would also make opposition to Trump qualify.
Civil commitment can follow as with individuals who have profound mental illness and are not safe to be out in the world.
This is the loudest scream that democracy is dead short of hauling people out into the street and shooting them.
It’s important to note the police are currently the people who bring individuals in for the 72hr mental health holds.
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I think it is also important to note that it appears many of these officers are not wearing Level IV plates daily, and plainclothes cops may not be wearing any vest at all.
It's also important to note that they're planning on introducing gun control for people considered to be mentally ill. They are going to declare every antifascist mentally ill, and use it to take their guns away.
They don't need to introduce anything, involuntary commitment is already a question on form 4473 and something a NICS check would flag.
Of course, they would still need to physically retrieve any firearms they may have. Unless they planned on handing them over peacefully.
I'm sorry, I lost all my firearms in an unfortunate boating accident.
Dems are part of the system and are not our allies.
What is wrong with people that they would rather live under the boot of dollar-store Hitler than in a tolerant society of people just getting on with life?
They want people to suffer.
Evil. The word you're looking for is evil.
They believe the propaganda that others hate them or are trying to destroy their way of life, and that dollar-store Hitler is their champion fighting for them.
They believe that bullshit against all common sense and by very deliberately ignoring any kind of evidence. Fascists are always assholes first and the fascism just serves to rationalize their shitty behaviour.
These are people that believe in an old beard in the sky. They're not ignoring evidence, they're mentally incapable of processing it. There's a good majority of Americans that literally don't know how to think, that think dumb ignorance is somehow cute and forgivable, that believe anything they're told because "look at his suit."
That's what I don't get. Like, why can't we just all get on with our lives, help those you have it worse than us, and work together on a better future for our children?
But no, there's a bunch of narcissistic assholes amassing wealth and convincing the other wannabe narcissists that everyone is out to get them.
I have a small kid and have no clue how to explain to him what the fuck was going on in right now when he's old enough to ask. I just don't get it. It makes me sad, and helpless, and anxious, and I just don't want to have anything to do with the rest of society. And I don't even live in the USA but am solid upper middle class in Scandinavia.
Hello fellow Scandinavian
I share your worries, I truly think we're going to have war at our doorsteps sooner or later, and I don't really know what to do about it (beyond I guess, preparing mostly self-sufficient communities of like-minded individuals capable of self-defense, but yeah..)
It's definitively scary
Lack of empathy. Fear that they are fed. Hate for different people. Sense of superiority over people who have even less than them. Total lack of responsibility. Religion.
They are kept isolated and ignorant by class warfare under an undermined education system, geographically and social media algorithm bubbled, have severely limited economic prospects, exposed to childhood religious indoctrination, and have normalized extreme right wing propaganda.
They believe their small town and rural economic hardships aren't self inflicted due to lack of unions & solidarity under worker strikes & holding local politicians accountable, and take out their anger on other working class and poor people because they feel justified by their suffering to inflict suffering on their perceived perpetrators.
In pop culture references it's Megatron feeling justified to destroy all autobots because he was deceived by a wealthy autobot leader to slave in the energon mines.
They believe hierarchies are natural and unavoidable, so anything to make sure they aren't on the bottom. Anyone that can push lower on the hierarchy naturally means they are higher.
This is literally how the soviet union suppressed dissent in the 80s. Disagreement with the party was legally considered a sign of psychological issues. They did this to replace the gulags.
Having a human labeled as internally broken has always been effective. Even on the small scale, society takes a step back, maybe, at most, pities, but the label utterly destroys all leadership capacity due to the seed of doubt it plants in everyone.
Yup, exactly: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_abuse_of_psychiatry_in_the_Soviet_Union
Keep going….
Who do you think Trump is copying? 🤔
Psychiatric hospitals are also allowed to lie to you. You can go in voluntarily, and be upgraded to “involuntary” with no recourse.
Mental health techs will lie - cause problems? Guess what, your notes now say that you are “paranoid” and “hear voices.” You’re “paranoid” because a tech beat the shit out of you two hours ago - you don’t hear voices, but you are “crazy” so obviously lying.
Check what rights institutionalized people have in your state. I can tell you where I live, there are none.
Quite literally in my case.
PTSD from “psychiatric care” is pretty difficult to deal with (and understudied. fascinating how PTSD only garners you empathy and understanding if you’re a combat rep, despite the fact that most with PTSD do have it from sexual abuse and possibly inpatient experiences - suicide rates skyrocket after involuntary commitment, but why do any form of investigation into something that might hurt profits?)
If you’re afraid of wasps, you aren’t expected to go ask a wasp how to deal with it. If, however, you experience severe abuse at the hands of mental health professionals and you live in an area where mental health care = the police, getting any form of help is pretty difficult.
Especially when they consider your gender identity and sexuality as manifestations of mental illness/further evidence that they don’t need to look into the tech beating the shit out of you.
You’re speaking directly to me. I am a veteran with PTSD. It was from sexual assault and the accompanying involuntary mental health lock up after I went to the doctor to seek help with my sleep.
I was told I could not claim the sexual assault because I would have been kicked out for sleeping with someone that was married and for being gay (this was before they repealed don’t ask don’t tell)….. I would have been court martial and thrown out they said.
Lucky for me I’m an infantry marine with a combat tour so my PTSD gets assumed to be combat and I don’t have to explain much to anyone. But fuck, how am I supposed to go and talk this out with doctors that I don’t trust? I don’t trust the system at all. I was let down by low command (squad), middle command(battalion command), and high command (regimental command). I was then failed by the nurse (corpsman), PCP (battalion doctor), psych (some fuckface colonel), his nurse (another corpsman), and the facilities personnel (nurses, doctors, psychiatrists).
And to compound on all this, I was involuntarily locked up when I was 14(??) because my parents let me get so fucked up that I blacked out and they called cops saying they didn’t know what was wrong with me……. What was wrong was that I was 14 and handed booze and pills…… the fuck did they expect?!? Obviously both times I ended up getting released but that doesn’t remove the inhumanity of it all. The treatment as if you are “other” to them. Like a dog or some shit.
So I’ve had trauma from psych wards from adolescence and also my time in the marines.
Sorry for the rant. Just triggered so much inside me with your comment.
I don’t know if you’re seeking care (and I hate unsolicited mental health advice on the internet)- but something that has helped me is seeking out specifically a sex therapist about the abuse and the way it manifests elsewhere. Her philosophy is more holistic/social cultural.
I also have another therapist that comes to my apartment. The power imbalance is less scary - it’s my castle.
I also start any convo with a prospective shrink by letting them know that I strongly am against CBT and do not believe that it works for trauma. A therapist doesn’t need to be anti-CBT, but the way that they react to a self-advocate is really helpful in seeing if they respect their patients autonomy or not.
The dicey thing is that our system is not at all set up for dealing with chronic suicidal ideation. There’s so much fear around mandatory reporting, the idea that someone might talk about not wanting to live, go home and off themselves, and whoops! there’s your license. Having a conversation with a prospective shrink about what their “line” is there is very helpful - that you can make Luigi jokes and not be sectioned.
The power dynamic is the scary part. PTSD isn’t just trauma - it’s trauma with powerlessness and an invalidated narrative.
Saying “hey I need help, I’m struggling with not wanting to leave the house or be alive” - and then losing your rights. Being forced into a room which isn’t clean. The threat that they can medicate you if you annoy them to much (asking to speak to an advocate, asking to file a grievance).
It’s strange that suicidal ideation is considered enough to make you “crazy.” I don’t understand why the response to someone cogently explaining the reasons they want to die (and most of those reasons being fairly rational responses) = “this person is crazy and should be a ward of the state for the next couple days.”
They also get to present this as the only option - “oh, you want 988 to let people just die over the phone?” Well, the research indicates that suicide rates spike not just immediately after institutionalization - but the effects continues for YEARS LATER.
The charge nurse joked that even with the 72-hour hold, weekends didn’t count and they would be happy to keep me for five days if I didn’t shut up.
They also didn’t properly discharge me/provide paperwork. I lost my job because of this. I was already reluctant to seek out help (my mother was a serious Munchausen by proxy - she sent me to institutions as a child telling them I was violent/on drugs/etc - I was a straight edge teen that didn’t even look at porn because I was scared of what she would do.)
Instead of help, I got another set of memories to crush me at 4 in the morning. I got mistreated for being trans, which further contributes to the atmosphere of fear I live in. I lost my job, which is already a struggle because I need to save up to get out of here.
I’m sick of people suggesting therapy as the first response to anyone describing mental health struggles. I’ve met so few capable of anything more than providing the CBT worksheets that seem to be all they’re trained to do nowadays.
Psychiatry and psychology as fields ultimately seem more about the enforcement of social norms than about benefiting the patient.
It's also incredibly fucked up that some forms of suicidal ideation is considered normal religious behavior too. Longing for heaven because the world is a sinful place is considered normal and healthy in my area, but longing for death because the world is fucked up means you need to be locked away.
I've got persistent ideation because I was raised with the former, but as soon as I stopped believing in the afterlife, people started getting real weird about it.
I think it's even worse than that. Some of us actually rely on psychiatry. Some of us for controlled medications no less. I can't just decide to not partake in the system because I cannot function without psychiatric medications, but can with them. And so I've had to learn to play their games and play into what they think my mental illness is like.
And that's before we get to the abuse. I've been gaslit by psychiatrists and I've had it easy. I know for certain that I will never voluntarily commit myself after the stories I've heard.
Interesting I've had the opposite experience. All the psychiatrists I've met, worked with, and been treated by have been kind and wonderful. The only bad experience I've had has been dealing with a cruel PhD psychologist, who I think just hates men because of something in her past and took it out on the people she had power over.
This reads like low-key Scientology propaganda.
Only in that it’s critical of the field of psychology as it is on the ground? I’m not a Scientologist, and I don’t think the cans are a substitute for care.
The state I live in was under DOJ investigation for using the police/prisons as default responses to behavioral health care. Even the people I call to report my own experience of abuse or children I advocate for - they are all like, yeah, all of the facilities here are like this.
It’s not that psychology is fundamentally bad (although we need to excise Freud entirely) - it’s that in practice there’s very little accountability and a lot of abuse that is covered up due to differences in power. I was able to call and report the fact that I was physically assaulted - the man I saw drugged in a holding cell will probably never be able to express what happened to him a way that will ever be taken seriously or lead to meaningful action.
CBT is flat out ineffective for many people and conditions. It is a serious problem that the majority of practitioners are only taught CBT and will outright lie if you tell them you don’t want CBT.
Scientologists despise psychiatry. To like the point of extremism.
Plenty of people who are not scientologists believe psychiatry and psychology are corruption incarnate. Sometimes I wonder whether scientology was invented by psychiatry to discredit those who point out its lack of efficacy, cruelty, and financial exploitation of vulnerable and naive people.
And keep in mind that this is the state of things prior to our current regime that runs on cruelty.
Was a mental health tech at a psych hospital. Ditto this, when it's the nurse's word against yours and the Ombudsman is already overworked and overwhelmed, you're cooked.
I tried to go to bat for my patients so often, but once the nurses and the aides burn out, they stop doing the job because they care and start doing the job because it's a job. I had nurses who told me to overchart patients so their insurance would pay more and they'd stay longer. Shady, shady shit.
This is unhinged. I hope it doesn't pass.
It won't. Even if it did Walz would would veto it.
Every single elected Nazi will probably vote for it, but they don't have a majority and they are super upset about it.
it's legislative shitposting/meme magic. one of them gets an idea for the meme: adding "Trump Derangement Syndrome" as a mental illness to troll the libs. it provokes a reaction in us, because it's 2025 and for all we know the damn thing might pass at the rate the fascists are consuming the state, and the Republicans' base feeds off of our panic and grief, fueling their schadenfreude. Republican voters are the real trolls; these legislators are just their proxies.
basically, this is the meme magic formula that took 4chan from "ironic" Nazi trolls to an outright fascist resurgence across the West, that took Trump from a meme candidate to the Oval Office, that took the 51st State rhetoric from obvious hyperbole to deadly serious. it's "just a joke" when you're defending it, it's "just trolling" when you're pushing it through, and it's "owning the libs" when you're executing on it.
As long as you aren't playing it down (I don't think you are but not 100% sure) I'm with you. Historically, that's how we got here.
Still, it needs to be called out, every step of the way. The more such "troll legislation" passes - possibly unseen - the worse things get.
Also, there's no 3- or even more-D chess going on. MAGAGOP is just throwing shit at the wall, not too bothered if something doesn't stick, but immediately ready to follow up if it does. So let's make sure it doesn't.
definitely not playing it down. the whole point of meme magic is that it shifts the Overton window so bills like these can actually pass. it's a kind of "irony laundering." they "troll" the Left, the Left raises alarm, the Right keks and calls us hysterical, the Center sees us as crying wolf and tunes us out. the Right pushes the "troll" legislation as far as they can because "it's just a prank bro," until we're weakened enough they can actually pass it.
it's like how the Right goads us into calling them "fascists" because they're literally being fascists, the Right gaslights saying we're always calling everyone "fascists," until fascism reenters the Overton window because the Center thinks "fascism" doesn't mean anything anymore.
honestly, the Left should have used this kind of meme magic back when Republicans were calling centrist Dems Socialists. if we'd used this strategy as well as the Right did we could be executing Billionaires by now.
I like this. Used to be a "joke", then something to rally around and get outraged about, then - whoopsie, it's reality.
And most people voted for the joke or the outrage, not the reality, as I'm sure even more will find out in the years to come.
Absolutely not. I know it's "in" rn to say we have to use the same methods, no more Mr Nice Guy etc. but I disagree with that - generally, and specifically with this "meme magic". It destroys reality, facts, truth.
There is something to be said for politicians/politics having a better social media presence though, a better sense of humor etc. No need to give up on facts at the same time.
Oh look it’s incredibly fucked up fascist policy again wow I’m so surprised who could have predicted this ?
Love how Donald Ewen Cameron gets exactly one sentence that doesn't even describe anything he did, and is listed under the Canada section with zero mention of being funded by the CIA as part of MKULTRA (which also gets zero mention in the article).
For those who don't know, Donald Ewen Cameron posed as a normal doctor in Canada and took patients who came in with minor symptoms like headaches or anxiety disorders and put them into months-long comas without their consent to run CIA mind control and drug experiments on, including LSD and electroshock treatments at 30-40 times normal levels. The full extent of his abuse will never be known due to the destruction of records (more details on this page), but many people were severely traumatized with long term effects including, "incontinence, amnesia, forgetting how to talk, forgetting their parents, and thinking their interrogators were their parents." "Victims often suffered from retrograde amnesia for the rest of their lives and had to relearn most skills they had. Many were in a childlike state and even had to be potty-trained."
After conducting these horrific, abusive "experiments" (torture) on innocent Canadians seeking medical help, with US government's full knowledge and support, Cameron would go on to become president of several different organizations, including the American Psychiatric Association, the Canadian Psychiatric Association, and even the World Psychiatric Association.
This is literally USA level stuff.
Holy shit, what? Good god
I know all about MKULTRA, but I've never been aware of this or anything else that involved Canada.
Man this country is rotten to the core. The shit that the CIA did with LSD alone constitutes crimes against humanity.
They got it backwards.
We educated America wrong, as a joke
If you guys haven't started rioting by now then I lack any empathy for you with what comes next.
Who wrote this fucked up bill? And isn't Minnesota a blue state?
I noticed the “Psychic.” At first I thought that it was alluding to people like me who are lawyers but have a strategic mind and fairly accurately predict outcome with good data and information.
But then I immediately realized they’re just extremely dumb and dangerous. Might also have been trying to say psychotic/psychosis.
If it stays as written, then I would like them try to prove the existence of psychics.
It’s a troll as you say. But having watched the law for a long time and being in the law, it is highly likely that a group that is more competent will get a hold of this idea, draft a real version, and pump that legislation out to every state legislature.
We have that being homosexual is a crime still on the books in most places. We are only 40 years old from homosexuality being considered a mental illness. This sort of thing is absolutely on the table.
Like one of the bluest.
::: spoiler False. It's almost a swing state.
In fact, if you sort the table here you can see that of the states Harris/Walz won there was only one (New Hampshire) where they got a lower percentage of the vote than in Minnesota. :::
However with the Democratic–Farmer–Labor Party having a majority (by a single seat) in the Senate, this bill will obviously not pass, and if it did, obviously the governor (Tim Walz) would not sign it.
This is just trolling by some deeply unserious politicians.
Mn literally has the longest blue presidential voting streak in the country. Just because there's nuance tto that statement (as there is in everything), that doesnt mean the state isnt incredibly blue.
They had a Republican governor from 2003 to 2011.
Clinton got 46.4% there in 2016, only a 1.5% lead over Trump.
Their House of Representatives is currently split 50/50 (with Republican leadership due to this), and the DFL has a one-seat majority in the Senate.
I wouldn't call it "incredibly blue", and certainly not "one of the bluest".
Agree to disagree then.
I don't know how to start a riot
This statement sums up modern Western society.
A fair ask.
Yeah, preposterous bills written with no intention to actually pass have been part of the game for quite some time.
I guess the crazy part is that now you have to check up on them.
I think the other hand is telling every other appendage to make a bunch of noise while it loots the country to answer your question.
U guys remember that scene in Schindler’s List where the little girl is screaming “Good bye you Jews!” To all the families as they are being marched off to a slave labor camp? Well this is how that sorta shit starts. Make the opposition the demon and get away with anything.
This is indeed how that sorta shit starts.
Worse, Americans also seem to have forgotten how to make that sort of shit end. Everyone agreed on what to do with Nazis 80 years ago.
You mean import the upper level Nazis into America ala Operation Paperclip?
Everyone certainly did not agree. A very sizable segment of US citizens were Nazi sympathizers before and after WWII. Remember what it took for the United States to get involved in the war effort in the first place.
Subd. 28. Trump Derangement Syndrome.
"Trump Derangement Syndrome" means the acute onset of paranoia in otherwise normal persons that is in reaction to the policies and presidencies of President Donald J. Trump. Symptoms may include Trump-induced general hysteria, which produces an inability to distinguish between legitimate policy differences and signs of psychic pathology in President Donald J. Trump's behavior.
Psychic pathology is a phrase that could go in several directions.
Authors (5) Lucero https://www.senate.mn/members/member_bio.html?mem_id=1260
; Drazkowski https://www.senate.mn/members/member_bio.html?mem_id=1258
; Wesenberg https://www.senate.mn/members/member_bio.html?mem_id=1256
; Eichorn https://www.senate.mn/members/member_bio.html?mem_id=1219
; Gruenhagen https://www.senate.mn/members/member_bio.html?mem_id=1257
These all seem like real upright citizens in Minnesota, guys. /s
Just like in Soviet Union under Stalin.
Not really, abuse of the mental asylums like this mostly happened after Stalin’s death. Under Stalin, you were simply thrown into the Gulag system.
American asylums weren't exactly shining beacons of human rights during that period either. JFK's sister had her frontal lobe scraped until she could no longer repeat the lyrics of a song because she said problematic things as a woman.
I saw on a conservative discussion group about making "TDS" (Trump Derangement Syndrom is what they're calling it) an actual entry into psychiatric work. I was wondering where this was coming from.
There it is.
Americans are fucked. Political disagreement to be classified as a mental disorder? Y'all skipped the Hungary and Russia steps, and went straight to NK.
This sounds like a great way to get a bunch of cops shot. Which is something they’re trying to push the death penalty for…
Which results in more cops getting shot
Killing a public servant leading to death penalty eligibility is one of the verbatim reasons in the law. I am confused by your comment? If you think this is new, I don’t know if it will assuage your concern that it’s a not a new phenomenon. It’s always been a death eligible crime.
No, it hasnt
Oh shit! Free mental healthcare.
Fuck Trump!
I'd like to talk about my mother when possible.
What makes you think it would be free?
Other countries will pay for it!
/s
Let's see here, make this out to comptroller, and the amount is... well let's just leave that blank for now.
What makes you think it'd be Healthcare?
Yeah i'd also like to talk about my mother. She was a piece of shit.
That will never pass in Minnesota. Who authored the bill?
republicans there are really pissed-off they couldn't do any damage when they had that manufactured one-seat house majority.
they're also trying to recall every single DFLer from the state house.
they used to be independent republicans. not anymore. they're all hooked on the maga
juicediaper leakage.The independent Republicans were all pushed out of the party when they opposed Trump. Some were beaten in primaries, most saw it coming and retired.
screams in Tennessee
Our legislative body here is dying to suckle at the hamberder teet. Hell they are trying to rename the Nashville international airport (BNA) to Trump international.
That orange mofo isn't even from Tennessee.
Like God damn.. can you bend over further?
We live in a world where people worship a businessman/politician as the literal second coming of their messiah, but "Trump Derangement Syndrome" refers to people who are critical of a convicted felon who openly ran for office to kill further prosecutions against him
What’s intense hostility these days? “Eat the rich”?
A meme post that involves suggestion of a Trump micro penis?
There’s too much interpretation left in the wind with some of those phrases.
These fucking unimaginative regressive vengeful idiots - they just ripped off ODS and CDS and tried to make it a thing during donvict's first term, and then, ironically had such a case of BDS under Biden [1].
Now the bootlicks want to enshrine "Trump Derangement Syndrome" (not a real thing) into law?
[1] ODS, CDS and BDS are and were actual things on the right, though. They kept claiming that these milquetoast center-right Democratic presidents were tyrannical, were going to take their guns, create death panels, bring about a Marxist regime, that qons were being "censored" (lol), and so on....that's some serious derangement.
And here I thought it was Roadkill F. Kennedy that was gonna send me to a concentration camp for taking antidepressants. Welp I guess it's the nuthouse for me instead. At least until being mentally ill at all gets you sent to the "rehabilitation farms."
I've contacted all those that I can. A director at NAMIMN did respond to my email stating that this bill won't be heard at all. Still fucked up of them to even try.
I guess I'll see some of you in the loony bin with me. We should play bingo or something.
They probably wouldn’t allow RISK, too “violent”.
I like Mancala, personally.
What in tarnation? Is Trump Derangement Syndrome a real diagnosis now?
No, just some terminally online Trump fans think it's real.
No, but he’s impacted mental health. I’ve had people with psychosis wondering, first term, why Trump hadn’t arrived to save them from their crappy lives yet. Crying. Shaking. Legit beside themselves with belief that he was riding in to save them from themselves post election. Going over the edge such that “the shot” needed to be deployed.
Needless to say, news was banned from that unit, airing it made breakdowns increase in both number and severity.
That said, this is not how the current conservative pundits are presenting this so called syndrome. This label is instead assisting in their dismissal of people who think Trump is having a negative impact on America, in whatever way(s) you choose to read his impact as negative. The way they toss “Trump Derangement Syndrome” around is not unlike the classic unhealthy male who can’t maintain a healthy romantic relationship and is thus quick to accuse the ex, all the exes, of being “crazy” in a sad attempt to rally social support. Similar tone.
Yeah, I'm using it get out of work Friday. Long weekend baby!
Awww, they're feeling the pressure huh?
I will scream it from the roof tops that he is incompetent and my dislike for him. I’m not scared.
You're not scared because your great grandmother wasn't thrown out a 4th floor window by Nazis. You really don't understand a dictatorship, do you?
My grandmother was a German citizen. My blood runs deep and I fully understand how you put these people in their place.
To be clear, screaming on rooftops didn't put the nazis in their place, communists with guns did.
Is this a call to arms against the USsA?
It is an observation of historical facts, I am not prescribing any particular action.
Running in the woods and trying to wage a protracted people's war against the local police didn't put the nazis in their place either, so who exactly would I be calling to arms?
The government has artillery.
Don't threaten me with a good time
WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK.
Free speech is dead. Democracy is dead. And now the individuals who criticize Trump can be detained in a mental hospital.
Yep, we're back to the 1930s folks
This process is already able to be abused to swat people, and the conditions are horrible for the people being held. I've seen it as a MH worker. It's not a hospital, it's a jail. There is no treatment, only observation in cells. It's deeply traumatizing and corrupt. Coercion to get people to sign into voluntary programs ($) in order to be released, or they extend their hold. The whole thing is a travesty.
This is the litmus test for our democracy. If it passes we are so unbelievably fucking cooked.
We've been hurtling past brightline after brightline for decades. Now it is so flagrantly obvious, can it get any more obvious than multiple Goose-step Salutes, but more importantly the propaganda spin to play them off and justify it as not being a disqualifying action. They used to have to dog whistle their zeal for bigotry and xenophobia.
The question is, what the actual fuck are we going to do about it?
Organize? Direct action? That magic word that happens when you mash up insurance and male arousal? The DNC would not support or pardon folks involved in that effort, and the corporate media would absolutely vilify it.
The answer is obvious, with historical underpinning, although we still have to figure out how to "televise the revolution" in this day and age.
This is PROOF that Republicans LOVE Freedom and are NOT Snowflakes or Fascists!
I know it's tough, but just try to breathe evenly, look out the window for a while. It'll soon pass. Don't give up the fight!
This is not good. Eta; has anyone mentioned similar bills in other states?
Since 2016, quite a few. And probably before that too. And probably significantly more since 2025.
As horrible as this one is, the real problem is in numbers: every single bullshit law introduced by MAGAGOP must be called out and ultimately repealed. This democracy isn't dying with a bang, it''s dying by 1000 cuts.
In Soviet America the crackpots will hospitalize you.
What's the bill number? Is there a link to the text for a full read?
It's a Minnesota bill and the link takes you to the full text.
Ah my bad, my client isn't great about showing stuff are links if no thumbnail renders.
This bill is horrifying.
Relevant Wikipedia Page Political Abuse of Psychiatry
Psychiatry has always been the violent imposition of politics.
https://brucelevine.net/why-anti-authoritarians-are-diagnosed-as-mentally-ill-and-how-this-helps-americas-illegitimate-authorities-stay-in-charge/
What's interesting is that I don't think this is in the DSM
Yeah. They even have to call it out separately in one section of the bill. It really highlights that this is a totally made up condition.
What's not to love? Of course anyone that doesn't like this guy would have to be mental!
I would greatly appreciate if articles like this would include the state in the title.
It’s Minnesota.
Lot of people here need to get informed and get a grip. Just because a bill is introduced doesn't mean it will be passed. The overwhelming majority of bills that are introduced don't pass. And this is in one state, not federal. And if the legislature passed it the governor may veto it, and it would certainly face legal challenge.
I get that everything sucks right now and it feels like we're getting attacked on every front. I get the administration is doing illegal stuff. We're in for a rough time. Still: don't give them power by acting like every idea they bring up is likely, or possible. This bill is just trolling, it's so some nobody state level legislators will have a bullet point in their newsletter and a social media post.
It can’t happen here…until it does
But it absolutely means that republicans want to do it and will keep working at it until they accomplish it or something similar. And democrats will probably fucking go along with it because of course they will.
You are, of course, correct. That said, the level of enforcement happening on illegal acts and judicial orders says it may not matter.
It’s a mess right now. So keeping an eye is good.
You're missing the point. This shit drags the Overton window to the right every time.
They are testing the limits and normalizing this shit at the same time.
It doesn't pass... Until it does. Then what.
We need one to counter and call it the Koolaid Cooperation Clause
Trump Derangement Syndrome (TDS) (noun) - An irrational and unwavering devotion to Donald Trump, characterized by blind loyalty, the dismissal of any criticism as fake news or conspiracy, and an inability to acknowledge his flaws or contradictions.
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Trump Derangement Syndrome addition to the definition of mental illness
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Senate
03/17/2025 Introduction and first reading
Intro
03/17/2025 Referred to Health and Human Services
What the fuck, no way
Lots of people are about to be diagnosed some type of delirium.
Delirium is transient, temporary.
This can happen with medication, UTIs in old people, old people in a prolonged hospital stay away from their set home environment, etc. Fix the trigger and you fix the delirium.
For a while, american police were diagnosing people with cases of "excited delirium". They would say the person was unresponsive to commands, and due to their mental state, were a danger to themselves and others.
The officer feared for their life. That's why the officer had to be involved in a shooting, resulting in injuries, and the person would later die in an ambulance or hospital.
Sometimes they used it as an excuse to kneel on people's necks. In some cases, the people they were detaining begged for their lives, only to expire later due to injuries sustained from the arrest.
I'm not sure why Bill is presenting this shit, but he should stop!
Document not found..
Was there when I posted, granted, it’s made mainstream headlines.
Link says document not found.
That’s new. Granted, I did see it on mainstream headlines earlier today.
https://archive.is/iHqdf
This is for Minnesota, why is that not in the headline or post? I don't think Minnesota will pass this
it's also one of a billion batshit bills that every Nazi sycophant is going to shit out over the next 4-90 years.
that said, it's kinda good to get out in front and see these, we should be tracking names
I agree, I'm not saying it shouldn't be posted but the text of the post reads like this was introduced to the house of Representatives in congress not just in the MN house.
We don't need to be confusing people into thinking it's already hopeless, they're trying this in Minnesota and it will fail.
The fact they're trying is important to recognize but we also have to point out that it is a single instance and people can go harass the singular state rep who introduced it instead of thinking it's in congress and there's no way to contact enough reps to block the bill.
Hope that clarifies my position a bit. Name and shame. Make it clear that this is in a state house. That is where the real evil is going to be commited (states right to what?) But let's make it so that the people in that state are able to be activated and called to action as opposed to me seeing this in Georgia and thinking "oh great I can't influence this decision if it's happening in Washington."
Maybe I read the article and see it's for Minnesota, and make the comment saying we should point out it's just in Minnesota. OR I just read the headline, read the comments freaking out without the context, and go tell my friends "hey congress is introducing a bill to make criticizing trump a mental illness" completely devaluing the actual harm being done by misrepresenting it.
No shade to OP, just trying to be pragmatic.
This post and the responses make me glad I was private schooled.
Do I think it will pass? No. But the fact that it’s even within the social psych of any lawmakers right now is worth a look. The link is a .gov for bills.
Breaking things means the guard rails we are used to no longer exist, we need to stay cognizant of that bit.
I graduated from multiple private schools, I don’t understand what you mean? Is reading legislation and sharing news not taught at your private schools?
... multiple private schools? You must be smart
You only attended one? You must be less smart by your standard.
Red Flag laws are used to remove guns from Trans, Latino, and Black people in red states too. It's not the solution to gun violence that people think it is. It was a good idea, but it ends up falling to paradox of the false positive and even being weaponized against minorities more often than not. It violates due process as well.
More comprehensive care for people with severe mental health issues and arresting and jailing domestic violence offenders their first time is more effective. Unfortunately, we just defunded public mental health, so...
So, the only possible sane position is to support everything Trump does?
Assuming it passed, that's what the bill said. Any disagreement with Trump is a clear sign of a mental disorder.
It literally does. That's how it defines "Trump Derangement Syndrome".
But yes, Walz will veto it, thankfully.
Yes, I'm glad you're beginning to see reason!
Ok, now I know you are a meconium baby, who didn't have the resolved quickly enough.
It was a joke, but that's on me for not putting a giant disclaimer for everyone to see.
Edit : also what are you trying to say in your comment? Cuz I know it's English, but idk what you're on about.
The other side?
How are laws stating "If you've beaten your spouse, you cannot own guns" geared towards conservatives? Or, is that a slip of some sort?
How are red flag laws geared towards conservatives? Are they more likely to have someone report them as suicidal?
Also how would removing a gun from a suicidal person be comparable to taking a person against their will and more than likely getting them fired from work and thrown in poverty?