He voted for Trump. Now his wife sits in an ICE detention center.
Summary
Wisconsin resident Bradley Bartell voted for Trump's promise to crack down on "criminal illegal immigrants," but now his Peruvian wife Camila Muñoz has been detained by ICE.
Muñoz, from Peru, overstayed her visa but had applied for legal residency. On their way home from a honeymoon, immigration agents detained her at a Puerto Rico airport.
Despite no criminal record, she remains in a Louisiana detention center. Her case reflects ICE’s broadened enforcement that now includes documented immigrants.
Bartell, once supportive of stricter immigration policies, now questions the impact on families like his own.
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You shouldn't have to have it happen to you before you realize the impact it has on others, but that's what we're up against.
Empathy takes a little thought and many people just can't think.
I once saw it described on Lemmy that Conservatives have sympathy but no empathy.
I saw a Ted talk that talked about inability to entertain the hypothetical. Some people are simply unable to entertain the hypothetical "what if my wife is deported', they can only recognize it when it becomes "my wife is being deported ".
I've heard that some people have difficulty with hypotheticals in general. not just on political issues, like it's a surprisingly common cognitive issue.
https://youtu.be/9vpqilhW9uI
Stimulating watch!
Link, please?
https://youtu.be/9vpqilhW9uI
I think both (edit: lack of) Empathy and this inability are required.
Inability to entertain the hypothetical is a failure in the pure logic reasoning side, quite independent of Empathy.
So, even the purest of sociopaths (hence, no Empathy whatsoever) can reason that "this can turn around and bit me" and thus not do certain things against others purelly for the selfish reason of not wanting to risk it coming around and bitting them.
Meanwhile those with Empathy will partly feel the emotions of others when observing them, and also when imagining "how does/will this make them feel". They don't tend to do things that hurt others because they themselves end up feeling some of the pain via their own Empathy.
So people with high Empathy won't even want to do things to hurt others because it feels bad, those with low or no Empathy but an ability to entertain the hypothetical won't support certain kinds of things that will hurt large groups of "others" purelly because of the higher risk that they themselves might directly or indirectly end up worse off from it and only the ones combining low Empathy and that inability to entertain the hypothetical (or just being too stupid to even begin to understand the risks of those things) will actual support such broad attacks on "others".
And they confuse the two and think they're being empathetic. I'm not even sure they have sympathy anymore.
And there's this whole war on empathy thing going on for a while.
From the article I don’t get a sense he is at all questioning his vote. He feels his case is special and the government messed up. For him. She’s vetted, so it’s ok. The others deserve what they are getting.
Yep. Brackets by me:
The dumbfuck doesn't show any contrition at all, he just says oops I didn't know. When this topic came up in the interview, he didn't admit any regret or that he put himself (and his wife) in this position - he just says that the government is wrong to do this to him/his wife, and that they should go after other illegals instead. What a piece of shit.
He's probably just playing CoD while his wife shivers in a cell. His main grievance is that regular sandwiches aren't arriving.
I bet he's playing cello suite no.1 in G major
lol. Where is this from?
An article from just after Jan 6th happened. My phone says I saved it on Jan 8th, 2021, so it was literally a day or two after.
My sister in law's family are all El Salvadorian refugees in Houston. Everyone under 50 are citizens now, but las abuelitas are not. They were all massive Trump supporters hoping that he will kick out "all the illegals" but are convinced that their grandparents wont be deported, and that they might be able to bring in more family.
Juxtapose that to my family, where my English mom was naturalized 20 years ago after coming to the US on a green card. My family have always been pro-immigrarion since we would never dream of denying someone the same opportunity that we were given. We are all ao flabbergasted by it, but they all love Bukele as well, so i guess it shouldn't be a surprise.
This is the problem endemic with the GOP voter mindset as a whole. They lack any shred of compassion and only care about themselves. The point of a society is shared burden. If you don't want to love your neighbor, go live in the woods
Empathy is a marker of intelligence. I strongly doubt the education of conservatives. Hence the need for first-hand experience
Honestly I think this is part of why conservatives like homeschooling so much; being in a close classroom environment teaches most people empathy as they quickly realize they are not the center of the teacher or anyone else's universe.
Conservatives want to deprive us the lesson of empathy.
I pity Madam but I have little sympathy for Sir.
I have little sympathy for Madame. She travelled
out of the countryto Puerto Rico for her honeymoon, knowing she overstayed on her visa. Given what had happened in the weeks leading up to them leaving the US last week, she really should have not gotten on that plane.The reason I sympathize with Madam is the same reason I sympathize with most migrants: they're not doing it to hurt the country they migrate to, they're trying to have a shot at a better life. I totally get what you're saying but that doesn't make her a bad person.
Sir however is a dumbass: he did the very thing the guy he voted for said he would crack down on and now he's bitching and moaning... Well ya know, faces, leopards and all that.
She should have left him when he supported a rapist criminal for President of the country she wishes to join. Face-eating voter by proxy.
Unfortunately, there's a high chance her immigration application depends on her being married to him. My husband and I have been at his process for going on 8 years, and it entirely rests on me sponsoring him. If we were to separate, his whole case would get shut down, and he starts over with an even more expensive and complicated process. We aren't going to divorce because we love each other, but it's still something that his lawyer had to advise us about.
Good point I guess, but it’s clearly a no win situation in this case. I hope you guys make it, but probably your husband shouldn’t
leave the countrygo anywhere near a border for a while.I suspect people like your husband might even be at risk after naturalization during this administration.
Thank you. This whole system is honestly a clusterfuck. Its been 11 years and we're still fighting. I give immigrants more of a devils advocate than maybe I should because of our experience, but its hard not to because I've seen the shittiness of our current system. Its also why I hate the whole "ThEy ShOuLd JuSt CoMe HeRe LeGaLlY" argument. Its not that easy for so many of them. Its expensive (we're at about 25k with probably more to be spent), overly complicated, and one single misstep sends you back to square one.
Luckily, we aren't near a border, and in a purple state, so it's not as dangerous here as other places. But it's still terrifying with this administration.
Just don’t forget it’s a 100 miles from borders and coasts.
Stay safe, good luck, and if it comes down to it, maybe have your husband keep his original citizenship in case it makes more sense for you to both leave here.
The stupidest thing she did was marry someone who would vote that way. She should have left his ass the second he cast that ballot, if not before.
She went to Puerto Rico. Which is a US territory.
That may be true, but they have been rounding up legal immigrants at the various ports of entry for weeks. I didn't see that the trip was to PR, but either way, they've rounded up several legal immigrants just here in San Ysidro. She knew she was no longer legally here, fucked around and found out.
Hold the fuck up, she was already OVERSTAYING her Visa and these idiots thought it was a good idea to TRAVEL? Nah they both got what they fucking deserved. It doesn't matter that you're awaiting your residency application, you have already passed your exit date, why the fuck would you be traveling for your honeymoon
Edit: I'm literally standing in the airport awaiting my fiance's return from Mexico right now, this shit makes all the people who actually read their paperwork and follow the rules, look bad when they get lumped in with these idiots.
Apparently she got stuck in the States when all the borders were closed during the pandemic, which seems pretty reasonable grounds for overstaying.
But - she didn't leave when the borders re-opened. She had fallen in love and at some point she filed paperwork to normalize her status - though they're pretty coy about when they filled the papers, so I suspect that was done after the borders re-opened and she should have left.
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I'm also going to point out what I haven't seen in any of the comments so far which is that, with ICE being pressured to increase the number of deportations, they're opting to go for low-hanging fruit. Unfortunately, that doesn't mean raiding places that they've known for decades are hiring illegal immigrants, arresting and prosecuting and imprisoning the owners and managers.
It does mean that they're hanging out at at least some airports, and it sounds like they're running passenger lists ahead of time (because they knew exactly who to approach). I mean, why to go the trouble of driving out to some farm or factory in the middle of nowhere, trying to chase down people who know the area better than you ever will, when you can sit at a comfy air-conditioned desk and only bother to get up when the computer lets you know that your "target" is trying to check in for their flight?
Agree completely, and to me when people like these two decide to do whatever they want because their love is "special", it shows ICE that hey, this is way easier and they'll focus more on these situations. This puts all the completely legal and above board immigrants in danger now.
I agree, but she and anyone else in her position have SIGNED paperwork in agreement with the terms that by X date you will leave the country. What the fuck else are we supposed to do if we just shrug and say oh well it's just a date. These two were blatantly attempting to trounce the laws and just do whatever they wanted.
Exactly. Did my dude think he could Karen his way through Customs? Papers have to be in order with Biden or Trump, now it’s worse though because they detain your ass.
You don't go through customs to go to Puerto Rico, since it's a US territory.
You still need to identify yourself to get on the plane. If your visa is flagged as expired, they are going to know and snatch you up
Right, but I'm just saying this is no different from flying from Minneapolis to Denver. Someone saying "well of course ICE was gonna snatch you up, you set foot in an airport" is kind of crazy.
I'm not defending ICE scooping up people. If you know that your visa is expired, you should assume that you are on their radar. Airlines verify all their passengers with TSA to ensure that no one is on a no fly list or q watchlist. Airports are secured locations where your identity has to be verified. Literally all it takes is for ICE to see you have signed up for a flight next Friday, and they can have an agent waiting for you at your gate.
Hold up. Is ICE “scooping” or “snatching”?
Not really, you are knowingly living here with an expired visa, you had ample opportunity to plan, reapply, change status, and many other options, they just...didn't. So, as a non citizen with an expired visa they no longer have freedom of movement (as a visa grants you specifically, freedom of movement within the borders of the United States and it's Territories)
Oh are you saying I misread that? Like they honeymooned outside the US and were entering the US through Puerto Rico? That would make more sense.
That's how it reads to me, yeah.
Just reread it, sounds like that's not the case.
Guess I missed that. Never even left the country, damn.
Being in an international relationship, I'm sure you understand how tricky and stressful some of these paperwork matters can be. Just deciding what type of visa to apply for when you are in a relationship can be taxing.
You are right that for the majority of people, the bureaucracy works as long as you file things correctly. They should have done it right from the start. But there are a lot of personal situations that can complicate it.
As an aside, it is mind boggling to me the number of immigrants who wholeheartedly support Trump, even with family ties that are endangered by his actions.
Warning, essay.
Many many reasons for the immigrants who support him all of them bad reasons obviously.
-White-Passing Hispanics, especially CDMX, Monterey within Mexico and outside, Argentina, Colombia, Brazil (obv. not the darker skinned Brazilians) etc. that can be seen by whites as "the good ones", and by the Hispanics themselves. These people, the ones who make a point to embrace the "whiteness" of their bloodline, allowing them to identify more with their European colonizers rather than the darker skinned natives, or even Mestizos (mixed race, though at this point most people are decedents of decedents of decedents of the original Mestizos). Their tie to that European "whiteness" somehow makes them better than those darker than themselves.
-Machismo culture being deeply ingrained in many families causing them to "admire" a "strong" man. Not a single macho man is actually macho (except for Macho Man) under Machismo, it is a warped idea of what constitutes macho that idolizes the men and puts them up front as the default lead of any situation especially family just because they are male.
-There is unfortunately, a STRONG sense of "I got mine" or pulling the ladder up behind you among many many immigrants, Hispanic or otherwise. This goes along with the sense of "well we did it so it can't be that hard", they fail to realize that yes, it may have been easy for you but for others it is not.
-Last I can think of, the kids and grand-kids of immigrants. Many did not get taught about the struggles of their ancestors, or were taught and don't care, sometimes you just get a bad egg kids who doesn't give a shit about his heritage. Sometimes this comes from their feeling like an "other" when living in an area with a Hispanic minority. This can cause them to seek out belonging and feel resentment to their ancestors and heritage for bringing them there, for making them into a minority and grow some unhealthy selfhate, and then falling in with like minds who also hate the "others" making them into "one of the good ones." (ive types this term too many times today)
Yeah, this is the whole point of "racial" categories in USA: "hispanic", "latino", "white latino", etc. It's all about preserving bullshit race "science" and eurocenticism in service to white supremacy.
The fact that some people see "white" as the default and the rest as "ethnic" is ridiculous
I honestly believe these idiots that voted for Trump somehow thought that they would be immune to his policies. He doesn't give a fuck about you.
For sure. It's the classic:
I know it’s been getting a lot of mileage on Lemmy lately, but:
He figured he was in the first group, and since conservatives tend to think women are property, he figured her being with him put her in that group too. Whoops.
This is a really good read on these types of situations. He's a white guy and he thought that was enough. that means the rules don't apply to him. I think as we are trying to figure these people out we sometimes overcomplicate it and a lot of the times the reasons are really quite simple. Just like them.
All conservatives want this law to be reality, and they all want to be in the first group. When you look at it in that light, all their supposedly contradictory actions make sense.
It seems like most of the time the realization they come to is less ‘oh wow maybe this is bad actually’ and more ‘hey, you put me in the wrong group!’
In general we give people who act stupid way too much credit, they're actually just fucking stupid.
Conversely, we're way too comfortable letting politicians play stupid instead of calling them out for their malicious intentions. And if the politician truly is stupid (Trump) there are handlers behind them pulling the strings
American exceptionalism
They thought by bending the knee to Trump, they would be exempt from his bullshit. You're 100% right here. He doesn't give a fuck about Americans, their families or the down troddened.
Trump only cares about Trump.
And anyone with power or money that will kiss his butt.
She definitely was not Muskinaire, that's one of the ways you can bend your illegally-legally.
"but... it shouldn't have affected ME, you know?"
Right because my situation is special. I’m special and these laws don’t apply to me. @shithead I’ve voted for you 3 times, please help rectify this mistake.
How ironic would it be if he pressured his illegal immigrant wife to vote for t too 🤔
Another dumbass who still hasn't figured it out.
"Supportive of stricter immigration policies," doesn't turn in his wife for violating existing immigration policies.
"I got mine", he thought.
An american woman wouldn't put up with his shit. My brother is unfortunately a trumper, and he got a foreign wife because she is the only woman that will put up with his shit that a normal woman would have walked out of years ago.
She slaves over him like a tradwife, raises his kids that isn't hers from the previous woman that walked away from his shit. But he's got joint custody.
Yeah this isn’t great. While we can’t say for sure, “woman in a safer position” may well describe this situation as it’s an unfortunate pattern.
Poor choice of words but I've seen it myself. Old divorced racist conservatives literally traveling to Thailand for wives. Their goal is to find subservient women that they can't get at home. Nothing against the foreigners it's more and indictment on the American
I read it more as that's what the brother likely thinks of his wife.
I've literally met old ass men with Vietnamese or Chinese wives half their age who INTRODUCE them as 'My insert nationality here wife'
the way the media talks about immigration and trumps policies are very specific and very corrosive. most of us here having this conversation understand what's really at stake because we think about and analyze these things, but american media intentionally lets people who don't know think they know what they don't.
let me explain.
when donald trump talks about criminal aliens in our country, he means anyone born on foreign soil, born to foreign parents, or with citizenship somewhere else who has committed a crime. a crime to him is any breach of law. and he uses the terms "illegals" and "aliens" to distance people from their own humanity. but the media will cover it as he's only interested in criminals. you know, like drug kingpins, traffickers, gun runners. our mass media misleads the populace. the reason they do this is doing so does numbers for them. when you have a for profit media apparatus, you will make more money if there is always an emergency. this way they can trick people like this guy into making their own emergency, and then they can package his tragedy and sell it to us.
everything is going according to plan
You can't promise to round up and deport 10 million "criminal, illegal immigrants" without implying that all of the ~10 million undocumented residents are criminal. Unless you've been listening to Ann Coulter and believe there are 50 million undocumented - 1 in every 6 people in the country.
These are the same morons that think Bezos isn’t rich enough to give all his workers raises; that ‘he would lose all his money!’
Math is not their strong suit.
i know that. you know that. but not enough people do. they don't understand scale or large numbers. they think if we increase minimum wage by $7, the price of a big mac will go up $7.
our education system is designed to make people susceptible to exploitation.
everything is going according to plan
You have to remember that to THESE people, being undocumented in any way shape or firm IS illegal. Whether or not that makes you a criminal is entirely different and they definitely say yes.
Good. I hope he's fucking devastated. I hope his entire world is fucking crumbling. Everyone with three working braincells or more knew exactly what would happen if we let the christonationalist fascists have total control of the government, and pieces of subhuman trash like him willingly made it happen.
I hate that as americans were so stupid we have to learn like this because we can't hear people out before it gets to this point.
Like I believe one of your founding fathers Benjamin Franklin said: "Experience holds a dear school, but fools learn from no other"
He would have been pretty nonplussed by our current batch of fools who can't even learn from experience.
Well that's what decades of destroying education will do
There need to be some kind of actual education before it can be destroyed.
I had a Scottish chick in Edinburgh tell me that I was the only American she enjoyed talking to. I didn't realize just how poorly we were viewed overseas until I went myself.
The amazing thing about this is that Americans who travel are on average a lot more open-minded and intelligent than those who don't. And we still make a terrible impression.
Guess you can't take the murica out of an american
We are poorly viewed by intelligent beings here too.
People here don't even think. I feel like most people in my life barely understand they exist. They are like walking products that work for the evil that created them.
Haha, you think they learn.
they just refuse to listen.
Maybe a controversial opinion but I don’t think anyone belongs in an ICE detention centre regardless of who their spouse voted for. I don’t think this is funny.
Haven't you heard? Empathy is a sin and the weakness of Western civilization. It's what a true conservative would want.
Empathy and goodwill aren't infinite, like any resource they can be depleted. I really cannot muster enough fucks to give about someone who voted for that turd a second time. Feel sorry for his wife, though.
Yeah, I agree, it's not funny, it's a fucking nightmare, and I hate that so many people are dumb enough to believe the restrained version of Trump the media sells and not the words coming out of Trump's idiot mouth.
As someone who doesn't live in tge USA, I don't feel empathy for everyone who voted for Trump or didn't vote at all because eQuAl SiDeS bAd. Project 2025 and deportation plans were known before the elections so you brought this down on yourself. It really sucks for everyone else though, within USA and its (former) allied countries.
Who am I to prevent a fash from locking up a fash?
I reckon, "first they came" would be applicable here, however the realist in me says they would continue to go and lock up non fascists
First they came for the fascists, and I didn't care, because it's what the fascist wanted, and it helps to thin their numbers?
Yes, very true, unfortunately fighting to ensure no one suffers from fascists, also benefits fascists from being affected.
What evidence do you have that this lady is fascist?
When 9 people sit down to eat dinner with 1 nazi, you are 10 nazis eating dinner.
She fucking married him. Did she not know how much he loved the notion of her being deported? Or did she just think only "the others" would be deported?
Heey I didn’t think they’d eat my face
Yes, go ahead feeling completely satisfied and smug. I'm sure leopards would never eat the face of lib. Your vote will protect you!!! d'oh...
Are you crying?
The more I see stories like this, the more I wonder if Americans can make it out of this hole they've dug. The average inhabitant seems... rather lacking, compared to other developed countries.
I disagree. People are dumb. Pick a country and I'm sure I can find shitty takes reported in the news. Hell, look at Brexit
Agreed. The thought that you're above the con, you could not fall for a grift, is the greatest thing a con man could hope for in a target.
Go watch any advice from cult experts. The people who think themselves too smart to fall into a cult, are MORE likely to be tricked or convinced into one
Exactly, the US government has made it this far on good luck and overall commitment to a mythical American ideal. All it took was a successful populist candidate and some class war propaganda to undo all that.
Brexit was indeed a dumb move, but let's be honest here, it's nowhere near what's happening in the US right now. I can't think of anything comparable in a first-world country, at least not since WWII.
... yet
There's literally been a genocide ongoing in Palestine for almost 1.5 years. Hegemonic support for this genocide is a direct cause of growing fascism.
Liberal blind spots are amazingly huge.
Frankly I don't think of Israel as a first-world country, so that hadn't crossed my mind.
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otherdeveloped countriesPeople are dumb, especially when lied to 24/7.
The average Russian probably still thinks that Ukraine is Nazis and that they are winning. The average Chinese doesn't know about Tiananmen square students protest or the brutal suppression much less Uyghurs genocide. Name a country and there's something along those lines ongoing or at least in recent history. The far-right in Europe is doing much like America was just 10-20y ago other places are already ahead into their authoritarian phase.
There's a silver lining to this. Think about all the high quality white collar jobs (lawyers) that this is supporting. Way to stimulate the economy, Trumpers! /s
Me when I read stories like this
FAFO vote for a clown don't complain it's turning into a crazy circus
I hate how many people are this fucking stupid.
hateful*
*hateful and stupid
"They're hurting the wrong people!!"
This reads like the post Brexit articles. What do people expect to happen when they vote for something?
I didn't think leopards would eat my face
"I'm a good person and this was only supposed to happen to bad people" - every Far-Right muppet when it turns out that the in-group is a lot smaller than they thought and they ain't in it.
"And then they came for the libs joking about leopards, but there was no one left to speak up..."
People got too used to being able to cosplay as oppressed victims of the state despite decades of minor policy changes between Democrat or Republican administrations.
All Americans got to enjoy conjuring any abstract worldview they wanted with the freedom of knowing they can say what they want whenever they want, never feel repression and just go home and watch tv. Maga got to pretend they were actively oppressed by the state which let's them justify supporting real state oppression towards people they don't like.
I imagine a lot of maga dorks voted for this, expected performative moves but a mostly stable continuity of the American center. I don't know if they'll ever admit it but I bet they are going to regret this president keeping his promises when they are stripped of all of their rights and their safety nets. The time for hyperbolics and hysterics are over, fascism is here, they are going to get ground down with the rest.
I'd feel sorry for the guy but that would be both insincere and incorrect. After all, he got exactly what he voted for.
EDIT: Sorry this wasn't meant to be a novel. If I had more time it would have been shorter.
I understand not feeling bad for THE GUY. But you should absolutely feel bad for his wife. Moral values should not be conditional. I could have an undocumented immigrant cus me out and say "TRUMP IS AWESOME" and I'd still not want that guy to be deported for no reason. I know its a slightly satisfying "you got what was coming to you". But being leftist in any sense means staying true to your convictions and not falling for this type of reactionary response no matter how satisfying it is.
I've used this as an example before.
I want even KKK members to get free healthcare in the US. Because as much as I hate KKK members my leftist principles tell me that right wing reactionary ideas thrive in poor material conditions. Conditions on these fundamental leftist principles will not stand. The "got what was coming to them" response is absolutely a reactionary idea. These are conditions of revenge and not conditions of justice. They have no place in left wing principles.
You can absolutely enjoy the slight sense of irony and satisfaction from this snippet. But, at the end of the day, you're not saying anything different then "let's deport these immigrants because X" just like the right is. Its the same as saying "these brown people deserve to be treated badly because they didn't vote for Harris". It's insane reactionary ideas masking itself as leftism.
It's more like a guilty pleasure when you have no control over the situation anymore to see the people who chose to fuck it up suffer the most consequences. When given the chance, I would never let something like this happen, but since it happened outside of my control I think it's fair to bask in the irony
Sure. But maybe in your head for a minute. Saying your position is "haha that stupid immigrant and her husband got what was coming to them" is pretty gross imo.
His wife likely was "One of the good ones, not the dirty Mexicanos that Trump is going to clean out of this country!!!!"
When you have 9 people eating dinner with a nazi, you have 10 nazis eating dinner.
You have every right (see what I did there?) to feel that way, but feeling some degree of comfort and karma that bad people also get bad things happen to them instead of bad things just being limited to the victims of capitalism, is just a simple sensorial reaction to the reality of the world and not in any way some sort of "anti-left" idea. In fact, wishing the best wishes to the boot that's stomping on you is probably the worst things to do, since it teaches conformity in the structure of the class system. To fight the imbalance of power you have to want to fight, and historically speaking spite is among the best motivators there ever is.
Also lol, good work trying to equate me with those right-wing KKK nutjobs! Yeah! Because there is literally no difference between wishful thinking, and actually doing material damage to someone because of your Trump dogma! Right?
Geez, what tiktok does to media literacy these days...
But you do you. I'll continue to cry a crocodile tear for the guy.
(Yes, the wife deserves a real tear, but that does not mean I can't cry a fake one for free)
If you think the "boot" is a Trump voter then you missed the point entirely. I don't know what else to say. And simplifying them into "bad people" like the world is a comic book movie is anti left and anti materialist thought.
I also didn't equate you with the KKK. I used what you would call an analogy to explain my perspective. An analogy in which I wasn't even comparing you with the KKK. In that analogy you would have been someone that laughed as a KKK member was denied healthcare.
If you couldn't even get that clear point of my comment then you should probably go back and read it with a fraction of charity. Because you kind of just responded with nonsense and gave no thought into the point I was actually making. One that wasn't even very critical of you. I admitted myself that that "karma" is satisfying. But there is a difference between our thoughts and our material actions. That where dialects is usedul in understanding what is reactionary thought is and where it leads to.
i can commend your empathy. but these are people who were told not to touch the stove oven because its hot. they insist its not hot, it will only burn other people they do not like-- not them. then they get burned. Leopards eating faces. etc
schadenfreude does not make us just as bad as them. the "both sides" argument has lost hold. fascism is coming, no one should feel bad for him or his wife for marrying a moron. its not a slight sense of irony. Its literally shooting yourself in the face in a voting manner. metaphorically.
This is why it's best not to vote.
He would have gotten the same by not voting. By not voting you are supporting the candidates that least want you to vote. Those who are the most harmful to you.
He could have gotten something different by voting for someone who was not against him.
Suspicious, that's exactly what Trump said would happen.
Well, that was stupid wasn’t it
Good. It sucks for her, but Trump voters don't deserve to have happy lives.
What about biden voters? Lib genocide gets a pass?
Friend you're on the wrong instance. .ml has a spot open for you, all you have to do is cry about "the libs" like a Trumper and you're in.
Okay I'm jumping on this sword... When Israel attacked Palestinians, I was like yeah baby! 9-11? Now kiss my entire....but then we heard the US was helping and finally... Innocent people are being followed by drone and bombed....oh man, kiss my entire... WTF is the US doing? No, no! Not in our name! Why doesn't Joe Bidden stop it? Totally wrong side of history. The only saving grace is that the world knows how powerful we are...but also we're just dumb fucks and now with trump we're also assholes. We're both the most powerful nation in the world, but just too stupid to figure out who to hit.
As an example, Ukraine. Why didn't we go and bomb Ukraine???? Under trump that's a valid question. A sane person might wonder instead, where's putin now and how can we deliver as many bombs as possible directly to him for him to keep and personally observed their functionality POV. Even now, we could do this. Just find the guy and drop some good stuff on him. A grand piano, an ACME anvil, anything, rocks. But ger him to "understand" our point of view about the things he is doing.
Of course he doesn't, but we are talking about the Here and Now.
Aren't these people guys with guns who fantasize about fighting tyranny? Well this is your fucking chance to shine, sweetheart!
You won, get over it
Well, can’t say trump isn’t keeping my the promises he made when on campaign
Imagine being an immigrate and marrying a Trump supporter. Should we feel sorry for her? Because I feel no sympathy for him.
Imagine being an immigrant and marrying a Trump. FIFY
Not even blue steel could help you then.
People usually believe that politics is something that comes after personal relationships.
Which is a dumb belief.
"Love conquers all" lol no, you don't live in a fucking Disney movie.
Certain political beliefs can and will do harm. Feelings will not protect you from harm. Choose your partner wisely.
It's almost as if being a racist douchebag is bad for everyone........
Why would you do that to your own wife?
Cheaper than a divorce? /s
The overwhelming majority of 'illegal' residents are visa overstays.
Like Melania Trump! She overstayed her tourism visa, while also working while on a tourism visa.
I will never not be amazed at the hatred and stupidity at the heart of MAGA
Did you ever learn about say... The Jewish Holocaust? The Rwanandan Genocide? The Palestinian Genocide?
Hate can, and does, go very deep, and is very easy to tap for those who look to do so, for their own ends.
Damn, it's almost enough to make you think every single Trump supporter is an ignorant idiot absolutely devoid of any concept of forethought.
He didn't vote for Krasnov Trump, He voted for his wife to sit in an ICE detention center.
He should also be arrested for knowingly harbouring a foreigner who overstayed. As her sponsor, it was his responsibility to ensure she did not overstay.
I wonder if she knew he was actively supporting the politics of people that hate her.
LOTS of immigrants are anti-immigrant once they think they've made it in safely. Makes them feel better about themselves I guess.
I'm gonna go with probably not.
At least over here in Finland there are several immigrants who are running for the communal elections through the anti-immigration party Perussuomalaiset. And they get voted by other immigrants. They are many. Remember, "many" does not mean the same as "most".
She probably thought "I'm one of the good ones! I LOVE TRUMP! He will kick out those dirty Mexicanos!!!!"
Those damn leopards at it again.
"First, they came for the pro-Palestinian activists, and my jimmies weren't rustled.
"Then they came for the Peruvian newlyweds and my jimmies weren't rustled."
This is just the Hollywood modern reimagining of WW2 that no one wanted.
These shithead said out loud what they would do - so he is mad because he voted for what trump said he would do. What a dipshit. Sorry, you don't get s Oops this time.
Can we start deporting these fucks too? He married her, he should go too.
Right? Deported for harboring known criminals.
Not even treason can end in the revocation of your citizenship if naturally born (possible for a naturalized citizen)
Which country will be America's trash can?
Doubling down on racist, fascist policies probably isn't the best way to fight against them
US Citizens cannot legally be deported, and the 14th Amendment protects you from forced revocation of your citizenship. The only way you can become a Non Citizen again is denaturalization, or renunciation.
I think this is really the main cause. Trump envisioned that once he took office, he would flush the millions of illegals who voted for Biden in 2020 like rats. (I picked that analogy on purpose, he thinks they're sub-human).
The problem is that those people simply don't exist. They never tried to vote (because that is a sure ticket to getting kicked out permanently, after spending time in jail). But most immigrants that are easy to find are the legal kind.
So, when ICE simply couldn't find the vermin in the numbers Trump wanted, he fired them all and put in new people willing to go farther. So now, any non-citizen is suspect (as well as citizens who don't "look like" citizens). This is going to continue to escalate. This will turn into a major diplomatic problem. Other countries will need to start denying automatic visas to US citizens. Trump won't pay attention until his Corporate masters yell at him for making it so they can't just jet off to Europe whenever they want.
And that is the Nazi (and other authoritarian, not even just right fascists) talking point. The painting of a people as "Vermin", the villainization of a minority or even a majority or comparatively similar size group. The point is to gear your people to think deep down that the "others" are beneath them, beneath deserved respect, sub human scum that you shouldn't be worried about what happens to them.
These clowns always pull up the ladder after they "get theirs." Marry an immigrant and think you're safe? Vote to get rid of the ones you don't like via a Dictator. Dictators turn on their supporters sooner or later, for them it was sooner. Wait until he comes for the guns. He's the only president that has said guns should be taken away.
E: Getting lots of gateway timeouts for .world, anyone else? I'm in the US.
Leopards meet faces, faces meet leopards.
FAFO
ICE is switching resources away from terrorism towards attacking anti-genocide protestors.
Anti-genocide protestors are terrorists. Didn't you hear the president. Anyone he likes is an honorable patriot as long as he likes him. If he dislikes you, you're now a terrorist and heading to Gitmo. /S
They've never really been focused on terrorism. It was always about going after brown people.
They always were.
If you are within 100 miles of an international port, which includes international airports, not just water ports, or border crossings, your rights are non-existent, and can be ignored by law enforcement at their discretion.
https://www.aclu.org/know-your-rights/border-zone
Apparently... yes...
Then they came for the Socialists
And I did not speak out
Instead . . . I voted for them.
Thoughts and prayers
I can't wrap my head around how people don't think the rules will apply to them
They're voting for people who regularly avoid the consequences of their actions. They think that they'll receive the same special treatment.
IMO, people think this way because they’re trying to do the right thing, but the nebulous others are not. Deporting those others would make it faster and more acceptable for themselves to be approved. Clearing the queue and getting a glow up, for a ridiculous analogy. Fear leads to irrational choices. Telling people they’ll be 1000% more patriotic if you vote for them is an evil but successful tactic pandering to this fear.
I know someone else who overstayed their visa that should be deported... his name rhymes with Shelon Rusk.
HA HA HA! The dipshits Bradley and Camila found out. The article indicates Camila was flown to a privately run detention center in fucking Louisiana, WTF, GITMO was closer. Are the fuckers at DOGE checking how much the shit is costing US taxpayers?
Have to go to a private detention center so that Drumphs mates who own the centers, can profit as mightily as possible.
No price for FREEDUMB!
Gotta love libs cracking up over which concentration camp people are sent to.
Thankfully leopards hate the taste of lib faces. smh.
There are easier ways to get divorced... just saying
Oh no anyway.jpg
Bradley, hopefully you'll choose more wisely with your next wife.
(/s)
And I bet he would vote for Trump again. That's how brain washed they are.
Dumbass.
Talk about wanting the cake, and eating it...
Girl I hope you realize you are about to marry a racist that doesn’t see you as people. Run.
Nono, he sees HER as people, because she's "one of the good ones" he doesn't see people who are basically just like her as people.
Sees her as his brown colonial conquest, or marrying "one of the good ones" because she gets his dick wet
You know if this hadn't happened, if they ever got divorced and she wasn't a resident or citizen yet then he'd be calling ice on her ass the next day.
Sad for his wife, but honestly fuck him, he got what he asked for. He has zero right to complain.
Didn't she willfully married a trump voter ? Or did he hide his shitty views before the wedding ?
Well she didn't vote, so in that way she is not responsible. He is. She may be just as stupid, but we don't know that.
Let's start arresting Trumpers (not just husbands, but farmers, restaraunt owners, hotel owners, factory owners, etc) for multiple counts of aiding and abetting and see if they still think supporting him is a good idea.
Whomp whomp
Feel sorry for her. Maybe she'll find a better partner.
Crazy how many people voted for this guy only to be deported by the very man they voted for 🤣🤣🤣
Americans are acc some wallards man.
0 sympathy for anyone that voted for the Cheeto.
Make them trade places.
These are the people who truly deserve this though. Not her, but her fucking dunce of a partner. Hopefully he realizes how hateful and nasty the Republican Party is. If not, he’s just another waste of resources.
Does marriage to a citizen no longer make you a citizen? Did I miss that part?
I don’t think it ever did. It does qualify you for legal residency status, resident alien or “green card” as most people refer to it. I’m pretty sure that status can be voided if you did anything illegal along the way. For citizen status you still have to go through the process.
It may make becoming a citizen easier, but no it doesn't automatically make you one. Not in the US at least.
I am going through this process right now.
Once we are married (very soon) she will apply for a change of status to CR1 Visa (Temporary Residency for a spouse of an American citizen)
From that point you have 2 years to finalize application for a Green Card (permanent residency)
Once she has her Green Card, so long as she isn't a criminal breaking any laws (non immigration related, felony shit) then she is a legal, permanent, resident.
You then have to maintain that Green Card status for a minimum of 3 YEARS to then apply for full or dual citizenship. (Though you apply 90 days before that 3 year mark arrives)
100% his fault for making his wife suffer in anyway in a detention center.
Woops. Sucks to suck.
Stupid is a stupid does.
Headline reads like the voice over of a 90s comedy movie.
Such a shame... anyway...
He had a year to learn and study. No sympathy for those who goes in expecting a different result and don't really educate themselves.
leopards hate his face
HAW HAW
I mean yeah, except for the fact that the wife is now ‘detained with ice’ which doesn’t sound like a good time
I mean she obviously married an idiot so...
"fucking leopards..."
Wisconsin mostly went to TRUMP.
I have zero sympathy for anyone who supported or still support Trump. They deserve pain. It’s the only language they understand.
Okay, so now his political views are getting changed just because of fair enforcement of our laws? It's not legal for her to be in the country. She's imprisoned and awaiting deportation, and the law will likely be interpreted to prohibit her from attempting re-entry for a number of years.
I'm not seeing any issues here.
I don't see why you are downvoted, he got exactly what he asked for.
I suppose it's that you call it "fair enforcement of law", which it is. The law is super strict and maybe not fair, but that's what he wanted, and the law was upheld as is. She was not targeted unjustly or unfairly under the law. Thus it is literally fair enforcement of the law. It's the law that sucks.
Girls gonna have to restart the process from scratch if she ever hopes to enter and obtain residency or citizenship.
This could be between 3 and 10 YEARS depending on the severity of the overstay...
That's their fault then. We have clearly-written laws; and in places where they're not clearly written, you can call your local ICE office or your immigration lawyer (because anyone who's living abroad or trying to become a citizen should have an immigration lawyer on retainer), explain the situation before you're in an illegal condition, and see what they can do. I know that visa extensions exist.
Trump's social security hack!....pretend to be an immigrant and you'll get fed for life!.... So very not lol, but that's what my wandering mind does when I'm not using it.
He is?
This says he is the son of immigrants, not an immigrant.
She is, of course. And so is felon.
No. There's nothing in the link you provided that suggests they came here illegally. There's plenty to hate Trump for, so please stop wasting energy spreading bullshit that takes away from fact.
oh no....i forgot my sympathy
Have sympathy for the wife. She didn't vote for Trump.
Frankly, I hope she is freed quickly, and that she realizes how his actions led to her predicament and drops his ass like a bad habit as soon as she's free.
She won't be. Maga doesn't give a fuck. This has happened a bunch of times already.
Hahahaha
that was his plan from the start
Dumb motherfucker forgot that "criminal illegal immigrant" is redundant. If they're illegal, they're criminals, even if it's overstaying their visa. Including his wife.
I don't think this is correct, because I'm pretty sure that overstaying your visa is a civil violation, not a criminal offense. All criminal acts are illegal, but not all illegal acts are criminal.
Correct. It's a civil violation, and increases the risk of deportation. Normally foreigners overstaying a visit don't immediately get deported.
The overstay consequence is that it leads to a 3-year re-entry into the US ban if the overstay is under 1 year or 10-year re-entry ban if it's over 1 year.
Either way, this really sucks for the couple. They most likely won't be able to have a life in the US anytime in the coming years.
I doubt someone who voted for Trump understands the difference between a criminal and civil violation. Hell, our own government treats ICE like a criminal law enforcement agency with guns and bullet proof vests, not clipboards and name tags.
It's easy to pick on this guy but pretty much the same goes for everyone: americans keep voting for red or blue and unless they are the billionares enriching themself over and over they always end up getting fucked
I'm not sure whether these "#bothSides are terrible so let's not vote" are unable to detect nuance, can't read, can't do math, intentionally disenfranchising people, actually thinking they're crusaders, or kids in the basement hating everything because the science homework is due.
Elections are in 4 years there's plenty of time to find a third party that isn't backed by russia.
Still very committed to being uncommitted, even while other people are facing hardship. Will you still be uncommitted when you're facing hardship from the MAGAs?
You are making the same mistake of this guy. Don't wait the government to fuck up with one of your relatives to understand that the red and blue parties are the two faces of the same medal
Maybe it's just me... But as much as Trump is a terrible person, I don't think his fans should be put in camps, deported, etc. Same with fans of genocide joe.
Yikes at this being downvoted. You're literally just saying "Haha it's ok to deport people illegally as long as they voted for Trump!" is a bad take.
Like, you can enjoy the irony and still have some actual principles.
I'm sure your feelings matter to the Trump administration that's building concentration camps and deporting people.
I have no issue with fash bashing fash. Thins their numbers, and makes it easier for the rest of us.
She overstayed her visa. And he should have known about it. Maybe this situation will urge people to take it seriously and take steps sooner.
"Documented" lol once her visa expired, she became "undocumented".
While the liberals are torching and destroying Tesla's because they think they have a right to do it, they're making heinous comments about people because it makes them feel better about their shitty immoral choices.
Keep crying.
Has anyone been caught for the Tesla fires? How do you know it’s liberals and not insurance fraud?
My bet's on natural causes.
She literally was taking care of it.
After she overstayed her visa.
You voted for Biden instead of Kamala? What good did that do?!
Whoa, how did she get to be vp for 5 years? Did she serve a year under Trump?
Ah yes, because your argument was so convincing otherwise.
It was a stupid mistake, wasn't it?