Republicans get behind effort to make hating Elon Musk domestic terrorism
Summary
Donald Trump and Republican lawmakers are pushing to classify vandalism against Tesla as domestic terrorism.
Trump declared that those damaging Tesla dealerships would face terrorism charges, calling the company “a great American company.”
Representative Marjorie Taylor Greene and others urged the FBI and Attorney General to investigate alleged Democrat-linked NGOs behind Tesla attacks, though no evidence was provided.
Greene may have violated House ethics rules by advocating for Tesla while owning its stock.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/marjorie-taylor-greene-musk-tesla-vandalism-terrorism-b2714855.htmlOpen linkView original on lemmy.world697
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"Republicans do not support the first amendment."
They also don’t support the USA.
They're traitors, and you know what they say:
transl.: if you get caught redhanded commiting crime, just claim it is for patriotism or some shit...
Republicans are something society needs to leave behind in full. They literally don't stand for anything and are net negative for society.
At this point, they clearly aren't even for corporations or shareholders, given the most recent cascade of economic catastrophes.
This is the only hope for America not to fall, if Trump and Musk also screw the elites too much there will be much more likely a revolution.
Such big man babies, they are going to make it illegal to not like them??? There is not a word in the English language that describes how baby, child like and immature this behavior is. I think we shall call it being musk. They are being extremely musky about this.
I like it. Musky: a state of being petty or childish.
I'm absolutely down, we should start using this.
Serious question: Historically, has a fascist movement ever been put down without the use of violence?
It always ends in violence. The kind of person that creates these racist movements simply does not operate with a human mentality. They wake up in the morning and their first conscious thought is to benefit themselves, the second one is hurting others to benefit themselves. They are pure evil.
Not once the ball gets rolling, no. Plenty of Fascism has been averted through preemptive nonviolent action though. In fact, that's basically how Democracy works; Constant nonviolent vigilance keeping Fascism at bay. But once Fascism gains traction, the only thing that works to get rid of it is violence. More people need to understand this. It's like that Kyle Reese speech in the first Terminator movie.
"It can't be bargained with. It can't be reasoned with. It doesn't feel pity, or remorse, or fear. And it absolutely will not stop... ever, until you are dead!"
Spain? Not super familiar with their fascist history.
I think that ended with the death of their fascist leader and then a peaceful transition towards democracy. So it can happen but only if your leader dies and the successor wants to reform the country back to democracy.
Stares JD Vanceily yeah we don’t have that
So much violence in Francos regime. Between 100,000 and 200,000 killed, with 500,000 fleeing into france. Absolute bloodbath. May he rot in hell forever.
I thought I had heard that, but again, Spanish history past Christopher Columbus isn’t really taught in the US.
Its too bad because world history is chock full of great stories about humanity. And US history is often boring and contrived propoganda.
We’re getting old enough to have some interesting history now. And in the last 30 years there has been more movement to bring to light stories from those mostly ignored. That may change now, since anything that doesn’t describe the US as the best… whatever, will likely be banned or silenced.
Not being republican is now illegal. Cool cool cool.
I mean they had to find some way to incentivize people to vote for them.
So, the land of freedom is now trying to tell people what emotions they can feel? Against the guy who's supposed to be a free speech absolutist?
"You can say whatever you want, as long as it doesn't upset me."
The hypocrisy is unbelievable. You'd think they'd at least avoid making themselves look like complete fools, try to hide it a little?
And decided by the guy who started the birther conspiracy, feeds the pedo conspiracy (while openly being one), and told the world that his Presidential rival "turned black".
Fuck Trump and Musk, they both seem to be real musky about being called out for being awful humans. Trump should probably be more concerned with what JD is doing to the White House furniture, going to have to get plastic sheets to cover them all.
That'd require the ability to feel shame. These dipshits are proud of their ignorance.
Come to UK / Europe. We've got universal healthcare and more robust democracy and many centurys long tradition of criticising and mocking our leaders.
you.. want Americans to come there?
Y'all need to invite Canada as a special member
Torching and destroying cars and dealerships isnt the same as some critical speech... The title is just a complete clickbait fabrication...
Torching and destroying cars is already illegal. No reason to designate it as domestic terrorism.
If they are considered terrorists, it is easier for MAGA to justify sending them to the concentration camps in Guantanamo or El Salvador.
Is that the second one, with the 3rd trying to be in Costa Rica? I knew they were moving people to a more wooded area but I didn't know where in central/south America it was.
If someone can't say that Israel is wiping innocent lives off their homeland in a fashion that can only be described as a genocide without it being deemed illegal and grounds for a criminal offense and/or other punishments, freedom of speech does not exist. It is in no way anti semitism. Israel is a state, not a religion. Long before Israel was paying politicians in the U.S. for their states best interests whether for the good of humanity or not, Jewish people existed, and long after the U.S. and Israel are gone, Judiasm will likely be here. Judiasm isn't asking them to murder children, politicians are ordering it.
Oh they're including the people holding signs.
I say we declare the GOP a terrorist group.
They did declare themselves that at one of the CPACs, so only seems fair to make it official.
J6
What a bunch of snowflakes. What's wrong? Are we hurting his feelings? The richest douchebag, who doesn't know what he's doing, with his head is so far up his own ass I'm sure he can taste it, doesn't like being called what he is? 🎻
Fuck him. I have no pity for fascists. 🖕🏾
Poor Musk
Next thing you know they’ll be calling democrats an insurgency.
They've been waging war on words for years now. Keep using them improperly until they don't have any meaning left. So... totally on brand
They have been... In this very article they claim (with no evidence) that the Democrats are finding the NGOs that are doing this.
from TFA:
go for the tires. easily accessible. high energy density.
Just avoid setting the whole thing on fire. Lithium battery smoke is extremely toxic.
Nice. If they'd had that as a color option, they might have sold more!
"We Are All Domestic Terrorists."
Quick history moment:
The US government has always treated politically motivated vandalism as domestic terrorism.
The FBI defined Earth First!, Earth Liberation Front, and similar radical environmental groups as terrorist organizations decades ago, because they spiked trees and burnt subdivisions and SUV dealerships.
The Animal Enterprise Terrorism Act makes it an act of terrorism to vandalize a factory farm or animal research lab - even nonviolent protest that "intimidates" employees is illegal.
Some of y'all are acting like burning car dealerships was protected speech before Trump. Come on.
This goes a bit further than that. They are trying to make spray-painting "ASSHOLE" on a Tesla an act of terrorism akin to burning down a Tesla factory. The two are not the same. This kind of law would make every graffiti artist a terrorist. That's not what anti-terrorism laws should be used for.
It's not that. The law will be written vaguely enough to apply to people keying cars or slapping a sticker on them. You should probably start paying more attention. Fascism loves to creep like this.
This coupled with the Laken Reilly act will be used to disappear people. They'll continue writing even more vague laws to classify people as terrorists. And the whole time half this country will just nod their heads and say "yea, makes sense to me. Those guys are bad guys". At least until they come for them or someone they know personally.
If they revoke your greencard then they'll use the same logic to revoke citizenship for immigrants. Then they'll start revoking citizenship for children of immigrants born here. Then anyone that is a "terrorist threat".
Your history is correct. But this is not the same. Don't fall for the reasoning given by fascist for why they want to implement new laws. Ask yourself: if the laws are already on the books to allow these acts of violence to be classified as domestic terrorism then why do they need a new law?
It's because that new law is gonna give them much more power while needing far less (or no) evidence.
According to this, avoid her magic rings, and jump on her head three times.
https://youtu.be/Wj5jQlry6Gs
SMB3 might be the single greatest video game ever created.
My dogs face when I'm holding bacon is how I imagine Republicans look when they see a boot.
This is coming from someone who doesn't necessarily disagree with burning down Tesla dealerships.
Define terrorism
Explain how burning down Tesla dealerships to resist Elon's political takeover is not terrorism
If you want to define it as a political takeover then it's legitimate action to protect the state from an unelected and ineligible person conducting a coup. After all words have meaning right?
Well that's my point, we should be arguing the legitimacy of the action, not whether or not it constitutes terrorism, which it obviously is.
Once people are pissed off on this level rational legitimacy no longer applies.
That's what the anti government militias would like to believe. In reality when the country was founded they had a discussion about State Militias versus a Standing Army. The Federalists believed a standing army was a requirement and argued the state militias would be enough of a deterrent to the standing army doing oppressive stuff. The Anti Federalists did not want to risk it and argued we could easily make do with state militias and a standing Navy. The Anti Federalists and Federalists compromised with an amendment protecting the right to have militias and giving Congress the power to raise an Army in a time of war.
Really it's a miracle we even have an Army and not just a giant Marine Corps under the Navy...
But yeah all the self defense, tyranny, and sporting shit didn't come around until much much later. For example the shoot out at the OK Corral was an attempt by local law enforcement to disarm suspicious people in town. There wasn't a concept of an uninhibited individual right to carry. Guns were tools required for frontier living and militia participation and laws reflected that.
There is a lot of shit people aren't doing because they don't want to cross the line and become domestic terrorists. You do NOT want to move that line over them.
Is it still terrorism if you destroy a Tesla on January 6th at the U.S. Capitol?
But what about those of us around the world that hate him? Am I an international incident yet?
"terrorist" has been so overused it no longer means much of anything. Like so many other words.
never did. it was always a word to justify state violence.
🌎🧑🚀🔫🧑🚀
We are all domestic terrorists
Stop it guys, you’re scaring him!
Good to know that all that "George Soros interfering with muh freedums" was bullshit projection.
Who could have known? These goddamn tankies, telling us not to immediately blame the Jews?!
Can't wait until we're all mandated to purchase teslas. Garnished wages taste better.
That only incentivized boycott more
Well then I guess I'll see y'all at gitmo.
Trying to pin it on Democrats who supposedly funded it is pretty far out. Come on. How much funding does someone really need to make a fire?
Dude I want to live in this world where the Democratic party is so far left that they're burning Teslas and talking about seizing the means of production from Elons factories. I really wish the Democrats were HALF as radical as these idiots on the right pretend they are.
I think those Teslas spontaneously incinerated themselves out of embarassment.
That makes me an international terrorist, i guess 😂
Me too, you wanna hijack a plane? /s
Didn’t think they’d abandon Musk this quickly
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/cpac-banner-domestic-terrorists/
Have you considering the 2 million or so federal workers who were fired thanks to DOGE with Musks face plastered all over it? Pretty big axe to grind there.
Fucking jackasses.
"trump was right about everything", denial is the first stage of grief. the rest will come in due time don't worry.
*ANd that's why "You never go full maga..." They should of watched tropical thunder could of prevented their whole movement.
2A supporters are just a bunch of cucks and cowards. They just want their guns to "Ali Wong" themselves and not protect anything.
…”Ali Wong”?
https://youtube.com/shorts/Wvuj4d45IJs?si=o5OUUqPKriId961i
So be it. Not unexpected when every head up there has a deep-seated persecution complex
Great. Now I wake up a domestic terrorist and I didn't even do anything...
She looks so happy!
Only people on the Left and Democrats hate Musk... this is what happens when a Republican is POTUS. The same shit happened when Biden was POTUS... the Right hated everyone and anyone associated with a Dem POTUS...
Yep. White supremacists groups backing Trump and shouting "the Jews will not replace us" is definitely the same as destroying private property.
The only difference is that the Trump told the proud boys to "Stand By". The left couldn't even get the Democrats to allow a Palestinian to speak at the DNC.
Let's not pretend the "far left" is represented in DC. The "far right" is literally sitting in the white house as we speak. God, I wish we lived in this delusional world you crafted.
The Left literally is okay with antisemitism. We have politicians on the Left that are openly against Israel and Jews. Yet, no one seems to care among the Democrat party. I don't condone the Proud Boys or Nazis, they're all idiots. But "let's not pretend" the Left is innocent in this political war.
I think it's pretty antisemitic to equate all Jews with Israel. That would be like equating all Muslims with ISIS.
But I doubt it's worth my time to try to explain this to you if you think not supporting Israel is antisemitic. If you still think this in 2025 nothing I say will help you. You have to be purposely closing your eyes at this point.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Zionism#Early_Jewish_anti-Zionism
I hate Elon and I don't even disagree with targeting Tesla. But let's be real. Mass targeted vandalism and especially arson are clearly forms of violence. The victims of this violence are civilians and the purpose of the violence is to achieve political goals through instilling fear.
Agree with the actions or not, that's terrorism.
If people started targeting and burning down costcos for being woke/DEI, that would be terrorism for the exact same reason, not because the ideology is different.
People need to stop pussyfooting around the label and accept that words mean certain things. The issue is not whether or not it's terrorism. The argument should be whether or not the actions are justifiable.
It's like whinging about whether or not we say "Osama Bin Laden was killed" or if the person who shot him is a "killer" because killing in general is bad/wrong.
Now the government response of categorizing certain people vs others as terrorists matters. What it means for people resisting Trump matters. But those are different arguments.
Buddy. This is pure rage. Terrorism is calculated. And comparing burning a Tesla to Osama Bin Laden is fucking laughable.
I wasn't comparing Tesla to Osama Bin Laden? I was making an analogy to clarify my point of calling an obvious spade a spade. Terrorism doesn't have to be calculated, it just has to be politically motivated. I happen to agree with the political motivations and stance of the violence in this case. That doesn't change what it is.
And what is an analogy?
Terrorism by it's definition needs to be calculated because it's required to be in the furtherance of a specific outcome. You can't have that without it being calculated.
An analogy is a comparison. I was comparing a case of labeling something I see as obviously terrorism to a case of labeling something obviously killing. I wasn't making a comparison to say Tesla is equivalent to OBL.
Sure we can debate the definition of terrorism, which I'm open to being wrong about. When you say "calculated" I understand that as premeditated with some thought towards planning the action. Hypothetically say we have someone who regularly carries a gun, and is walking around during Pride parade. Say he's historically anti-queer/DEI, what ever stereotype. Say for whatever reason he gets angry enough, something's happened and it's the last straw and he wants to put an end to the leftist agenda and starts shooting at the crowds, while spouting his political ideology. It's a caricature, but has all the hallmarks of a terrorist attack except on the point not being "calculated", it's a spur of the moment, unplanned attack. I'd still call that terrorism.
Another point though, I think many of the people who have been vandalizing Tesla did calculate their actions. Especially the arson cases must have involved some degree of thought/planning. And part of that thought is the political stance that Musk is wrong and billionaires like Musk should be afraid of the people.
First, that's a lot of words to admit you compared burning Teslas to OBL. Second, you described a hate crime, not a terrorist attack.
Whoosh. They're not mutually exclusive.
Those who make peace revolution impossible make violent revolutions inevitable.
JFK 👆
Yeah, America really hates people who use violence to achieve political goals.
It is bad practice to post links without also providing quotes from the source to support your claim. You are wasting the other person's time.
It's George Washington, his entire life is the support to their claim
You know, the founding father who lead the army during the Revolutionary War?
I would venture to say that almost every group and/or sovereign nation's origin involves war/violence.
I thought a link to a George Washington with the phrase “political violence” was self explanatory.
That is George Washington's Wikipedia page. It includes his whole life, there is plenty of information in there that is unrelated to politically charged violence. You can at least do your cohorts the courtesy of having a pointed and deliberate discussion. Put in a little effort, it doesn't hurt.
You're right. I shouldn't expect the STEMlord nerds on Lemmy to understand things like subtext
Funny enough, you would probably categorize me as a "STEMlord" if you knew me in person. In general I try to keep these types of communications as straight-forward as possible online. Many non-productive discussions that I have seen online originated from statements meant to impose heavy implication. These kinds of statements are generally taken worse with the lack verbal communication and body language. From what I have seen, it is generally better to give these faceless discussions some effort up front to ensure level footing for both people.
PS: I do believe humanity needs professions outside Science, Technology, Engineering, and Mathematics.
After 9/11 terrorism gained a much more negative connotation I think. Idk fully about what it was like before since I wasn't alive but in Deep Space Nine you literally have a character who said she was a terrorist and that's not really seen as like an inherently evil thing like it would be in the current day. I think people understood the nuance back then that sometimes terrorism ends up being justified when you're fighting for freedom against an oppressor.
Totally agree.
There is no political goal, He is not a politician. It is to force migrant Elon to pay tax on his loan collateral(stock) by crashing tesla stock prices.
No one ever said hating Elon Musk was a crime but destroying private property is. Burning down charging stations, dealerships, and attacking strangers for the type of car they drive are absolutely acts of terrorism. At the end of the day independents decide elections. Do you think this behavior makes democrats more appealing? Is this going to swing voters in your direction? You guys have really lost your way and i feel sorry for you.
Man half the country is gonna be classified "terrorist" before we have another major vote again. You think people burning Teslas give a fuck about the democratic party that failed this country in a massive massive way for the last several decades.
No one burning Teslas gives a flying fuck about the Democrats. I really want to live in your world were the Democrats are "radical leftist" and it wasn't just a few anarchist kids with some balls. I wish the Democrats had some teeth but they're a sad pathetic planned opposition party.
You vote Fascism INTO power. It doesn't let you just vote it out. Anyone burning a Tesla knows that.
Yes the people burning Teslas are obviously democrats. I'm much more interested in this fascism you speak of. Can you tell me any specific examples or experiences of fascism that you have endured? (There will be another election in 2026 btw.)
Holy shit, sealioning on lemmy. What a waste of fucking time.
Definition from the FBI:
Definition from the US House of Representatives:
While you can argue that coordinated acts of destruction against Tesla dealerships could be defined as domestic terrorism, individual acts of vandalism against Tesla vehicles do not fall under this definition, nor should they. Otherwise, you could classify someone like Banksy as a terrorist. Is that the kind of world you want to live in?