It's not like there's a state border check for vehicle emissions. You can visit California in a non-California car without an emissions check. Joy's claim doesn't make sense even before fact checking.
I choose to hold two images of this in my head and they're both equally real, reality be damned.
They're looking for horse rolling papers and they're going to the trailer and asking each horse to show their papers as the driver is told to stand back and let them work.
Imagine my surprise learning about them by pulling up to one. I don't think it was even near the CA/OR, but like 50 miles into Cali on the interstate. All of a sudden I see an officer flagging me at a little booth, I figured it was an emergency ahead or maybe I ended up on a toll road? The first thing he says to me was something along the lines of 'Got any fruit or vegetables in the vehicle?' And I just respond 'I'm sorry, what?' He must get that a lot, he pretty much waved me through as he was explaining.
I brought a prepackaged fruit cup my next trip just to see what would happen but I ended up doing the coastal route and never got stopped going that way.
This is a great example of the importance of teaching people critical thinking skills.
If you stop to analyze what was written in this sensationalized post rather than acting on your emotions, the first question that should come into mind is "who stopped them?". There are no checkpoints between Oregon and California where cars are turned away from crossing state lines due to emissions. In fact, that would probably violate federal free travel laws which would supercede any stupid law like that.
Next, consider the source. Is this person trustworthy? Did they provide ample citations to reputable journalistic outlets that verified the factuality of the claims? If not, they may be trying to deceive you with falsehoods or have an ulterior motive for misrepresenting the facts. At best they are repeating claims that they've heard from others and anything they report on should be taken with a grain of salt.
This post doesn't hold up to the slightest amount of scrutiny, but people get fooled every day by crap like this. My advice is that if you hear something that sounds outrageous or too good to be true, stop and think carefully about it for a few minutes, or maybe just wait for another source to report it. Saves you a lot of stress and protects you from endlessly doomscrolling.
A friend of mine posted something on Facebook (reposted from a local list in Arizona) claiming that two people were knocking on doors and beating up people, and one woman was in the hospital as a result. Pictures of the perpetrators and everything.
Something felt off, so I did a quick search on their names. And I found an article from some city in Texas where the same rumor had been circulating about that area. The article clarified that the two people had committed some crimes several years ago and were caught, tried, and convicted already.
So someone took one of these, changed the name of the area, and posted it to the local list. Why do people do this? A form of stochastic terrorism maybe?
Edit - I can't find the post (I think my friend deleted it), but I did still have a tab open with the article about it.
I have noticed this as well. Back during the early facebook years, a "news" outlet would just generate content by posting stories like "Greenville ranked as the city with highest crime rate" every week or so.
Everybody on my facebook feed would go crazy saying things like "I always knew that town was dangerous, but to hear it outranks New York? TERRIFYING!"
Only issue is that this outlet would have 50 different URLs for the article, all giving a city in a different state (always an immigrant heavy suburb) and those articles would be appear around facebook and nobody would know the wiser.
It costs almost nothing for them to rewrite the world and your perspective about it. The granularity they are now capable of should give us pause.
I assume the people in the picture were "melanin enriched"? There you have your answer.
It's a shame that you can't know when seeing such posts if the person resharing it has good intentions or not. "Don't open your door for strangers" is often good advice after all.
Where I live I mostly see this done to support the narrative that immigrants are bad, that you can't trust traditional media, and that you should be voting for the local fascist party.
Afaik the place names and date are not changed here, I suspect because that would make the perpetrators criminally liable. Instead they work by omission: take a many years old crime, don't mention the date but instead post it on facebook as if it only recently happened, in that post question why the media isn't mentioning this event or how the non-fascist politicians could let things get this much out of control, and then boost the post with help from others in the telegram group so that it reaches a wider audience.
“who stopped them?”. There are no checkpoints between Oregon and California
.. actually, there are checkpoints along every major roadway into California that do check incoming vehicles, mostly to find and prevent invasive species from entering the state and affecting the agricultural industry, and more broadly to protect the environmental systems in California. There have, in fact, been legal challenges against these checkpoints for violating travel laws, but the checkpoints have remained. They've also been used to seize non-agricultural items like weed, weapons smuggling, etc. so emissions standards checking isn't completely out of the realm.
Obviously, she's lying and she doesn't know any of this either anyway. But there are checkpoints to enter California.
The station on Highway 97 has someone there, they've always just waved me through and said "have a nice day" i think they stop and inspect the agricultural trucks that go through there, tho.
Yeah, you're right, but you also conveniently cut out the second half of my sentence where I specifically mentioned being turned away for emissions. Context matters.
Additionally, Washington, Oregon, California, and BC (this one has to have some sort of international limitations) have a climate pact with eachother to adopt emission and climate policies set by the other states/province.
Out of all the states that CA would have emissions issues with, OR would not be one of them.
Teaching critical thinking skills it not a solution. People are not getting fooled, they want to believe it, it fills an emotional need.
Neo-liberal solutions to societal issues focusing on individuals has been a complete disaster. It is basically victim blaming and doesn't actually scale in many circumstances.
Eg. High house prices; Victims fault for not working harder and saving more. Neo-liberal solution: Work longer, spend way less. Outcome at scale: Economy crashes due to low spending.
That's the thing, people don't want to. Critical thinking for one it takes more physical energy, which is a impediment. People want to belong as it can be very difficult to thrive being excluded, so there can be an advantage to just go along with the dominate narrative. Hence why we are getting a onslaught of propaganda like this twitter post.
Sometimes I wonder how much better the world could be if I had the power to snap my fingers and everybody on the planet knows that confirmation bias exists and it’s a big deal.
My point was not that X would be able to do something about this, but that it is not a source of breaking news, and fundamentally not a replacement for journalism…and should not be used as such.
Ya, it's definitely shouldn't be a source. I think it would be great if all sites had something like this though. Retractions on reputable news sites also go by unnoticed.
Imagine going to the BBC website and it showing you that with 2-3 articles on rare occasion.
This is exactly why so many things just feel hopeless to me. The worst people have caught on to, and the parrots don't even realize, that you can just say literally anything and the occupants of your echo chamber will believe it immediately and then refuse to believe whatever reality actually is if it is presented to them by literally any other "outsider."
Hell even someone of the "in-group" who is not substantial enough will be outed as an "other" if they dare go against the initial message.
The knock-on effects of this also concern me. Largely, the only effective way I've seen to battle disinformation is to retreat to smaller spaces. The intensity and engagement driven content loop on all the major platforms just fuels the fire. Ultimately, to achieve a better admin:user ratio where the admins aren't idiots. While I wax nostalgic about my former BBS days, it feels like a giant step backwards to that. The quality on content is there and signal:noise ratio is sublime, but the amount of information, level of discourse, and widespread geographic socialization, isn't.
Since the election, I've retreated from most news sources and reddit. I kind of realized that more or less every headline was either a lie, clickbait, or blowing up a story that largely doesn't matter. I honestly haven't felt more relaxed in years.
I just assume things cannot be controlled, there is no direction, and the majority of the human race will be swimming in lies, disinformation and cat memes fur generations
America does not care about truth. Worse, it actively discourages truth.
Lying is accepted. Making up facts that suit your narrative and shouting down anyone who disagrees gets you rewarded with the highest position of state.
We, the rest of the world, are just watching you guys in horror.
I'm saying if at least half the population was horrified they'd have voted. The people that didn't vote are apathetic. You can't subtract people who voted for him from total and group them as against him
Voters who (to add to your point), don't represent half the country, because 90 million out of 240 million voters didn't vote at all. I think the number of non-voters went up a bit but not too far away from the average pres. election
Makes sense. The Internet was the peak of the information age and usually with any cultural push their is the counter culture equivalent. When any truth could be found in seconds we now find ourselves where any opinion can be fed enough backing to feel like a truth.
Personally I would go so far as to say that people politicizing the fires from a place that is burning to the ground should probably also immediately shut up and flee the building.
Well apparently believing in climate change is political over here, and I don't think it's wrong to point to this as evidence that we need to make some serious changes.
This is not "false" this is just "pants on fire lying"
This person should not have the freedom to speak publicly anymore
Screw freedom of expression as we currently have it. Freedom of expression should become a right with responsibility. if you can't be responsible, you can't have the right. You either speak the truth or don't get to speak to groups, period
I'm SO done with literally everyone and everything lying with zero repercussions. Companies lie, all fine. Politicians lie like there is no tomorrow and that's fiiiiine, even Obama lied like 25% and that's fiiiiine, trump literally lies 99% of the time and it's all fine! Nothing happens, so we just lie more and more and you can't trust anything or anyone anymore
Freedom of expression on the internet was a big mistake
If every time the press quoted somebody they gave right alongside it a count of past occasions when they were caught lying, there would a lot less lying because people would be reading their quote, looking at the count of lies next to it and mentally going "bullshit!" for the big liars.
The excess lying going around is because the liars take advantage of people being physically unable of keeping track of the liar-levels and lies they've been caught on of all the "media personalities" (humans are only capable of managing at best around 200 relationships with other entities, so not just family and friends but also personalities one has an opinion about and even brands).
Part of the reason the Press won't do that is because so many of them are also liars (in the sense that they're actual vehicles for Propaganda rather than having Journalistic integrity) but also in many countries legislation such as Anti-slander Legislation means that if they point people's lies out they can get sued, which is costly even if they win, whilst if they say only good things they get no legal costs, so the whole field is tilted towards painting well know personalities wi the the means or influence to sue news media in a positive light - in other words, the system is designed to protect well connect or rich liars and conmen from being exposed in the most widely circulated media.
I fully agree we need to have independent journalists. People won't pay for news anymore so governments should fund independent journalists through some sort of independent foundation. International foundation, preferably.
But beyond that, it matters little if we still have Alex Jones who somehow has actual listeners, or Fox news which is just a 24/7 bullshit pump with a large userbase.
We need to stop people, organizations, and companies from being able to lie to large groups. You lie? The lie gets immediately marked as being a lie. Not "this is not entirely true", no, "this is a lie". Repeat offenders should be fined depending on their worth. You are worth a billion dollars? Get a 100 million dollar fine. Still don't listen? Jail time, doesn't matter who you are.
Its either that or I see this world dead within the decade. With AI pictures and videos getting better every day, with AI becoming better at posting, how long do you think we have until we have a dead Internet with only AI posting lies and all extremist humans ready to commit mass murder because the AI bots have been telling them that the Jewish space lasers will make your frog children gay or something?
The Internet gave a bullhorn to idiots and cheaters and though I was one of the earlier users, loving it's thinking it would rescue the world, now I'm of the opinion that it will doom us all
Who decides what is true though? In China the gov't ensures no 'misinformation' is spread on their social platforms... Is something like that a good solution for you?
Of course that is an issue but we've arrived at a point where I think that is less of an issue than the rampant "everybody and everything is a lie, there is no objective truth anymore, but everybody claims to have the absolute, factual, and moral truth anyway"
The current situation is unsustainable. You can't have a normal civil discussion about climate change because the other side screeches that climate change is fake news, then shits on the table.
You can't do anything if you can't at least agree on what is factual truth and oh boy, Republicans and conservatives just put so much lies and bullshit out there that it's just not doable anymore
It has to stop. So normal people like you and me, fine, talk. But websites must contain FACTUAL information, or be very clearly labeled "fiction, not factual". If the site contains information that is known to be false, just have some DMCA like ayatem that will remove it from the Internet.
What source is factual? Anything not supported by a single government, anything that is not funded by any for profit company. Wikipedia is a good example. Sure, it's far from perfect but it's a 100 times more reliable than anything else out there and you gotta start with something.
Make an independent government funded group that can work no matter who's in charge at the government, and they are tasked with checking facts.
If someone with power (politician, famous actor, comoany, whatever) makes some false statement, have it labelled as such and fine them. They don't repeatedly, remove their Internet posting privileges. They circumvent that? Jail them.
Its either that or humanity will be over. This current anarchy is used by various actors for only their personal benefit, and they all have the "I don't care if the world burns if I can rule the ashes. I have matches" attitude. How much more of this bullshit do you think we can have? What do you think will happen once AI picture and videos are perfected? You won't be able to trust anything ever again, the Internet will effectively be dead and only conspiracy wing nuts will use it to read the latest outrageous lie to incentive them to commit some terror attack.
You never want a serious crisis to go to waste. And what I mean by that is an opportunity to do things that you think you could not do before.
Driving Californians (particularly the wealthy and well-connected Malibu celebrity class) insane with rage and paranoia, then pointing them at the milquetoast liberal stand-ins for Far-Left Radicalism, will do to California what it did to New York, Texas, and Florida.
Just a matter of time before the right-wing propaganda machine crushes the brains of the enfranchised class. I'm already hearing my mother-in-law blame the stupid Los Angelinos for raising her own home insurance rates. And more than a few coworkers are smugly insisting this is what a DEI fire department gets you.
Its not the Republican-ism that comes first. You have to sell people on the "I'm exceptional" mentality first, then insist they're being exploited by their inferiors. Malibu celebrities are a target rich environment for this kind of delusional elitism.
Expect a lot more Californians going on Joe Rogan and making up tall tales about how the fire was caused by poors and illegals stealing all the good firefighting water, while the state refused help for some arcane bureaucratic reasons related to The Fairness Doctrine.
The California water system is a dense web of legal contracts between public and private interests. Bad policy made the fires worse, as the central valley was transformed from an ecological paradise into a dried up scrubland. But the idea that California ever really had regulations to prevent these wildfires is naive.
one of the things deregulated in the LA area was the building of homes in high fire risk areas
Fires are running straight up to the Malibu coastline. High risk areas have been expanding with the repetitive droughts and the large agricultural developments of cash crops. You've got buildings going up in flames that were perfectly safe to live in 20 or 30 years ago.
Nothing the California state government had done up to this point was preventing the degradation of the local ecology. They're just at the end of their rope.
You've got buildings on fire that have been standing for half a century. The high winds and brush fires aren't a result of the building codes. They're the result of perennial drought and the accumulation of flammable materials in the dust-bowls surrounding LA County.
These articles are where I am basing my opinion from. Note that in the 2nd one, the fires originated in and are either in or on the border of state-designated high risk fire zones.
This stupid bitch has since deleted the tweet and gotten back to it like it's another Tuesday. OSFM had to put out a statement correcting it. I hate people.
My bad, you're right. I tried to check first, but I didn't have the patience to scroll past her claiming America Is So Back because "Starbucks kicked homeless people out of bathrooms," so I ended up not seeing the reposted tweet.
She lies, runs away from OSFM, gets community noted, and still, in the replies:
Um, this is 100% TRUE and WOKE Oregon seems to be covering for WOKE California. Leftists stick together.
There are many people whose work and ideas I deeply respect, but even in my weakest moments, I couldn't possibly idolize them like this useless waste of oxygen does gargling on Trump's ballsack every day.
Because I'm a horrible person, I can foresee that there's zero chance I'll die before doing something monumentally stupid. My greatest shame is realizing it probably won't be as effective as what Luigi did.
Doesn't help that a significant number of modern media and platforms is optimized for content lengths that allow one but not the other (headlines, sound bites, micro-blogging, short-form videos).
I swear half of the right wing pundits on YouTube are just doing it for the ad revenue. They see that people are mad about right wing crazies so they act like they are right wing so they can clicks
Sometimes you can see their mask slip.
Andrew Tate, that Pearl lady. Both have accidentally smiled in interviews at times that signal they are trolling
Yes. It's always about doing what makes money cause money will make you righteous in the end anyways. You can purchase your way to heaven as long as you are ok with it being sponsored by your corporation of choice.
I mean I wouldn't ever live in California, but not because of what these talking maga skin piles keep saying. I just revise to live in a disaster-prone region. I mean California has a fire season. Fuuuuuck that. Same goes for hurricane territory.
At 2am it'll get down to 101-100...worst thing I ever did in Phoenix was get in a drunken argument mid afternoon and storm out of the house...made it half a block and was dead from the heat...quickest getting over an argument I've ever had.
Right wingers haven't cared about the truth for decades. It's just now they don't care whether we know it or not. Just think back to Trump's first term and "alternate truths" and all that. They don't care anymore. They believe what they want to believe, and no amount of facts or reasoning is going to change it.
But yes, everyone lies. Some people just more than others and some will lie to your face with a smirk on their face knowing damn well you know they're lying.
since they repealed the Fairness Doctrine (not that it was perfect) in the late 80s when they realized that balanced reporting was one of the things that forced Nixon's resignation
Like it's stupid how easy it is to make up misinformation and disinformation, compared to how much effort it takes to refute it. Humanity is doomed.
I could just as easily say: "The Oregon fire department couldn't get to the fires in time because they had been stopped by immigrant caravans, woke transgender hitchhikers and antifa mobs!!!!!!"
You know how cheaters ruin online games? How their fun relies on fucking everyone, abusing the system and winning without respecting the rules? The same applies to people like her, trump, musk, etc. They're "communication cheaters", they don't respect the rules, they abuse the system, yet platforms want us to believe that they deserve to be treated like common users.
"Waah waah mah 🧊 🍑 waah waah censorship" - Fuck you. If free speech was a game, these people would be banned.
Or someone could train a bot to exaggerate misinformation from known liars
Community note: In fact, Oregon sent over 420 fire trucks but due to the rampage of the woke chupacabra and the cannibals of the northern California mountains, only 69 made it as far south as Sacramento. At that point California officials realized that Oregon actually sent minivans full of weed and spent the weekend hotboxing, using the Jewish space laser that started the fires on the "defrost" setting to heat up the marijuana.
Alright, I've read enough here.... My conclusion; California fire IS gay.
Now, don't get up and clap. This was figured fair and square via research. I scrolled endlessly and stopped when I saw the appropriate comment that supported my hip-O-thesis.
Why do these people want everyone to get out of California? Maybe they’ll move to where you live and start voting there. Or their secret plan is if everyone moves away they can then move in?
It's not like there's a state border check for vehicle emissions. You can visit California in a non-California car without an emissions check. Joy's claim doesn't make sense even before fact checking.
There is a border check entering CA but they only ask about fruits and vegetables.
Wow it's true: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_Border_Protection_Stations
I don't think any other US state has checkpoints. This is a surprise to me.
California grows like 40% of the vegetables for the entire country. So they're very protective of their agriculture.
Florida has a checkpoint for plants and possible invasive species, definitely not for firetrucks helping people though.
Bugs trying to get in to Florida?
Florida has one of the best competitive scenes in the western hemisphere.
Unlike California, Florida's agriculture checkpoint only stops commercial vehicles.
Sounds like it’s basically the same as CA then.
It's the only other one. But Florida only has commercial vehicles pull in
And that's rarely enforced, at least around here.
There are. Especially for commercial vehicles:
A lot of states have checkpoints for vehicles towing boats. Need to check for invasive water creatures.
Kentucky has them sometimes for horse papers
I choose to hold two images of this in my head and they're both equally real, reality be damned.
They're looking for horse rolling papers and they're going to the trailer and asking each horse to show their papers as the driver is told to stand back and let them work.
Imagine my surprise learning about them by pulling up to one. I don't think it was even near the CA/OR, but like 50 miles into Cali on the interstate. All of a sudden I see an officer flagging me at a little booth, I figured it was an emergency ahead or maybe I ended up on a toll road? The first thing he says to me was something along the lines of 'Got any fruit or vegetables in the vehicle?' And I just respond 'I'm sorry, what?' He must get that a lot, he pretty much waved me through as he was explaining.
I brought a prepackaged fruit cup my next trip just to see what would happen but I ended up doing the coastal route and never got stopped going that way.
They've been a thing as long as I can remember
It's meant to sow discord, not be fact checked or taken seriously by critically-minded people. It's meant to rile up the MAGA's.
Fascist agitprop
It makes sense to people who have never left their hometown, like most of her audience.
Welcome to modern society where facts don't matter and all feelings are made up.
Made up feelings are facts now
But dumbasses will eat that shit up
This is a great example of the importance of teaching people critical thinking skills.
If you stop to analyze what was written in this sensationalized post rather than acting on your emotions, the first question that should come into mind is "who stopped them?". There are no checkpoints between Oregon and California where cars are turned away from crossing state lines due to emissions. In fact, that would probably violate federal free travel laws which would supercede any stupid law like that.
Next, consider the source. Is this person trustworthy? Did they provide ample citations to reputable journalistic outlets that verified the factuality of the claims? If not, they may be trying to deceive you with falsehoods or have an ulterior motive for misrepresenting the facts. At best they are repeating claims that they've heard from others and anything they report on should be taken with a grain of salt.
This post doesn't hold up to the slightest amount of scrutiny, but people get fooled every day by crap like this. My advice is that if you hear something that sounds outrageous or too good to be true, stop and think carefully about it for a few minutes, or maybe just wait for another source to report it. Saves you a lot of stress and protects you from endlessly doomscrolling.
That sounds reasonable and matches what the Big Red Squid told me on TV after last nights meth binge.
A friend of mine posted something on Facebook (reposted from a local list in Arizona) claiming that two people were knocking on doors and beating up people, and one woman was in the hospital as a result. Pictures of the perpetrators and everything.
Something felt off, so I did a quick search on their names. And I found an article from some city in Texas where the same rumor had been circulating about that area. The article clarified that the two people had committed some crimes several years ago and were caught, tried, and convicted already.
So someone took one of these, changed the name of the area, and posted it to the local list. Why do people do this? A form of stochastic terrorism maybe?
Edit - I can't find the post (I think my friend deleted it), but I did still have a tab open with the article about it.
I have noticed this as well. Back during the early facebook years, a "news" outlet would just generate content by posting stories like "Greenville ranked as the city with highest crime rate" every week or so.
Everybody on my facebook feed would go crazy saying things like "I always knew that town was dangerous, but to hear it outranks New York? TERRIFYING!"
Only issue is that this outlet would have 50 different URLs for the article, all giving a city in a different state (always an immigrant heavy suburb) and those articles would be appear around facebook and nobody would know the wiser.
It costs almost nothing for them to rewrite the world and your perspective about it. The granularity they are now capable of should give us pause.
Interesting. This one didn't include a link to an article, just fear mongering.
The person that posted it deleted it after my comment, I think. I'll check.
I assume the people in the picture were "melanin enriched"? There you have your answer.
It's a shame that you can't know when seeing such posts if the person resharing it has good intentions or not. "Don't open your door for strangers" is often good advice after all.
Where I live I mostly see this done to support the narrative that immigrants are bad, that you can't trust traditional media, and that you should be voting for the local fascist party.
Afaik the place names and date are not changed here, I suspect because that would make the perpetrators criminally liable. Instead they work by omission: take a many years old crime, don't mention the date but instead post it on facebook as if it only recently happened, in that post question why the media isn't mentioning this event or how the non-fascist politicians could let things get this much out of control, and then boost the post with help from others in the telegram group so that it reaches a wider audience.
.. actually, there are checkpoints along every major roadway into California that do check incoming vehicles, mostly to find and prevent invasive species from entering the state and affecting the agricultural industry, and more broadly to protect the environmental systems in California. There have, in fact, been legal challenges against these checkpoints for violating travel laws, but the checkpoints have remained. They've also been used to seize non-agricultural items like weed, weapons smuggling, etc. so emissions standards checking isn't completely out of the realm.
Obviously, she's lying and she doesn't know any of this either anyway. But there are checkpoints to enter California.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_Border_Protection_Stations
I can't speak for all of them, but the I5 border station near the Oregon border hasn't even been manned in several years. This gal is so full of shit.
The station on Highway 97 has someone there, they've always just waved me through and said "have a nice day" i think they stop and inspect the agricultural trucks that go through there, tho.
Why bother protecting your agriculture with sensible checks when their is profit to make and they are just getting in the way, right?
I go through one all the time there has not been anyone there stopping people for years now
Yeah, you're right, but you also conveniently cut out the second half of my sentence where I specifically mentioned being turned away for emissions. Context matters.
As long as a car is registered and insured they have the right to drive in any state
Additionally, Washington, Oregon, California, and BC (this one has to have some sort of international limitations) have a climate pact with eachother to adopt emission and climate policies set by the other states/province.
Out of all the states that CA would have emissions issues with, OR would not be one of them.
Teaching critical thinking skills it not a solution. People are not getting fooled, they want to believe it, it fills an emotional need.
Neo-liberal solutions to societal issues focusing on individuals has been a complete disaster. It is basically victim blaming and doesn't actually scale in many circumstances.
Eg. High house prices; Victims fault for not working harder and saving more. Neo-liberal solution: Work longer, spend way less. Outcome at scale: Economy crashes due to low spending.
I agree with the rest, but
Yes. Properly taught critical thinking overrides the emotional thinking. If it didn't, people wouldn't anymore then animals.
That's the thing, people don't want to. Critical thinking for one it takes more physical energy, which is a impediment. People want to belong as it can be very difficult to thrive being excluded, so there can be an advantage to just go along with the dominate narrative. Hence why we are getting a onslaught of propaganda like this twitter post.
This is going into circular logic territory.
Sometimes I wonder how much better the world could be if I had the power to snap my fingers and everybody on the planet knows that confirmation bias exists and it’s a big deal.
But you see I want it to be true therefore it is
The original post has 58k views, the correct information has 2k. That is the level of efficiency that site has in disseminating correct information.
The timestamps imply the correct information is less than an hour old in that screenshot
a lie can travel halfway around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes
Aptly put lmaooo, gonna quote this in the future at some point xD
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My point was not that X would be able to do something about this, but that it is not a source of breaking news, and fundamentally not a replacement for journalism…and should not be used as such.
Ya, it's definitely shouldn't be a source. I think it would be great if all sites had something like this though. Retractions on reputable news sites also go by unnoticed.
Imagine going to the BBC website and it showing you that with 2-3 articles on rare occasion.
Too late. It's already become true, and another example of wokeness for your racist uncle to bang on about.
This is exactly why so many things just feel hopeless to me. The worst people have caught on to, and the parrots don't even realize, that you can just say literally anything and the occupants of your echo chamber will believe it immediately and then refuse to believe whatever reality actually is if it is presented to them by literally any other "outsider."
Hell even someone of the "in-group" who is not substantial enough will be outed as an "other" if they dare go against the initial message.
The knock-on effects of this also concern me. Largely, the only effective way I've seen to battle disinformation is to retreat to smaller spaces. The intensity and engagement driven content loop on all the major platforms just fuels the fire. Ultimately, to achieve a better admin:user ratio where the admins aren't idiots. While I wax nostalgic about my former BBS days, it feels like a giant step backwards to that. The quality on content is there and signal:noise ratio is sublime, but the amount of information, level of discourse, and widespread geographic socialization, isn't.
Since the election, I've retreated from most news sources and reddit. I kind of realized that more or less every headline was either a lie, clickbait, or blowing up a story that largely doesn't matter. I honestly haven't felt more relaxed in years.
Fucking Californian wokies! They made fire gay!
They don't call it flaming for nothing!
how do we even come back from this
At the risk of being called an accelerationist, the fact of the matter is that the only way out is through.
I just assume things cannot be controlled, there is no direction, and the majority of the human race will be swimming in lies, disinformation and cat memes fur generations
Fur real? I think you're purrbably right.
I, for one, welcome our fur baby overlords.
The s is hopeful.
A generation maybe.
The French had a similar issue in the tail end of the 1700's, perhaps we could draw inspiration from their work.
This eventually gets CIA'd. There is no escape but slaying the dragon.
America does not care about truth. Worse, it actively discourages truth.
Lying is accepted. Making up facts that suit your narrative and shouting down anyone who disagrees gets you rewarded with the highest position of state.
We, the rest of the world, are just watching you guys in horror.
At Least half of us are basically watching in horror from inside.
At least - no, in that case it wouldn't have happened. At most half. I'd say it's way below half.
Less than 50% of voters voted Trump.
I'm saying if at least half the population was horrified they'd have voted. The people that didn't vote are apathetic. You can't subtract people who voted for him from total and group them as against him
You can when there have been several news stories about groups who abstained or chose to vote 3rd party deeply regretting their choice.
Voters who (to add to your point), don't represent half the country, because 90 million out of 240 million voters didn't vote at all. I think the number of non-voters went up a bit but not too far away from the average pres. election
Show me a country with social media and I'll show you people who value making their political opponents 'look like fools' by lying.
Almost like that people don't care about facts everywhere on the planet.
It's a post-truth world here in the US!
Makes sense. The Internet was the peak of the information age and usually with any cultural push their is the counter culture equivalent. When any truth could be found in seconds we now find ourselves where any opinion can be fed enough backing to feel like a truth.
Anyone politicizing the fires from the comfort of a place that isn’t burning to the ground, should immediately shut the fuck up.
Personally I would go so far as to say that people politicizing the fires from a place that is burning to the ground should probably also immediately shut up and flee the building.
Well apparently believing in climate change is political over here, and I don't think it's wrong to point to this as evidence that we need to make some serious changes.
They are inside the fire too, look at Mel Gibson's interview practically WHILE his house was burning.
This is not "false" this is just "pants on fire lying"
This person should not have the freedom to speak publicly anymore
Screw freedom of expression as we currently have it. Freedom of expression should become a right with responsibility. if you can't be responsible, you can't have the right. You either speak the truth or don't get to speak to groups, period
I'm SO done with literally everyone and everything lying with zero repercussions. Companies lie, all fine. Politicians lie like there is no tomorrow and that's fiiiiine, even Obama lied like 25% and that's fiiiiine, trump literally lies 99% of the time and it's all fine! Nothing happens, so we just lie more and more and you can't trust anything or anyone anymore
Freedom of expression on the internet was a big mistake
Indeed.
If every time the press quoted somebody they gave right alongside it a count of past occasions when they were caught lying, there would a lot less lying because people would be reading their quote, looking at the count of lies next to it and mentally going "bullshit!" for the big liars.
The excess lying going around is because the liars take advantage of people being physically unable of keeping track of the liar-levels and lies they've been caught on of all the "media personalities" (humans are only capable of managing at best around 200 relationships with other entities, so not just family and friends but also personalities one has an opinion about and even brands).
Part of the reason the Press won't do that is because so many of them are also liars (in the sense that they're actual vehicles for Propaganda rather than having Journalistic integrity) but also in many countries legislation such as Anti-slander Legislation means that if they point people's lies out they can get sued, which is costly even if they win, whilst if they say only good things they get no legal costs, so the whole field is tilted towards painting well know personalities wi the the means or influence to sue news media in a positive light - in other words, the system is designed to protect well connect or rich liars and conmen from being exposed in the most widely circulated media.
Yes and no
I fully agree we need to have independent journalists. People won't pay for news anymore so governments should fund independent journalists through some sort of independent foundation. International foundation, preferably.
But beyond that, it matters little if we still have Alex Jones who somehow has actual listeners, or Fox news which is just a 24/7 bullshit pump with a large userbase.
We need to stop people, organizations, and companies from being able to lie to large groups. You lie? The lie gets immediately marked as being a lie. Not "this is not entirely true", no, "this is a lie". Repeat offenders should be fined depending on their worth. You are worth a billion dollars? Get a 100 million dollar fine. Still don't listen? Jail time, doesn't matter who you are.
Its either that or I see this world dead within the decade. With AI pictures and videos getting better every day, with AI becoming better at posting, how long do you think we have until we have a dead Internet with only AI posting lies and all extremist humans ready to commit mass murder because the AI bots have been telling them that the Jewish space lasers will make your frog children gay or something?
The Internet gave a bullhorn to idiots and cheaters and though I was one of the earlier users, loving it's thinking it would rescue the world, now I'm of the opinion that it will doom us all
OOF?
Who decides what is true though? In China the gov't ensures no 'misinformation' is spread on their social platforms... Is something like that a good solution for you?
Of course that is an issue but we've arrived at a point where I think that is less of an issue than the rampant "everybody and everything is a lie, there is no objective truth anymore, but everybody claims to have the absolute, factual, and moral truth anyway"
The current situation is unsustainable. You can't have a normal civil discussion about climate change because the other side screeches that climate change is fake news, then shits on the table.
You can't do anything if you can't at least agree on what is factual truth and oh boy, Republicans and conservatives just put so much lies and bullshit out there that it's just not doable anymore
It has to stop. So normal people like you and me, fine, talk. But websites must contain FACTUAL information, or be very clearly labeled "fiction, not factual". If the site contains information that is known to be false, just have some DMCA like ayatem that will remove it from the Internet.
What source is factual? Anything not supported by a single government, anything that is not funded by any for profit company. Wikipedia is a good example. Sure, it's far from perfect but it's a 100 times more reliable than anything else out there and you gotta start with something.
Make an independent government funded group that can work no matter who's in charge at the government, and they are tasked with checking facts.
If someone with power (politician, famous actor, comoany, whatever) makes some false statement, have it labelled as such and fine them. They don't repeatedly, remove their Internet posting privileges. They circumvent that? Jail them.
Its either that or humanity will be over. This current anarchy is used by various actors for only their personal benefit, and they all have the "I don't care if the world burns if I can rule the ashes. I have matches" attitude. How much more of this bullshit do you think we can have? What do you think will happen once AI picture and videos are perfected? You won't be able to trust anything ever again, the Internet will effectively be dead and only conspiracy wing nuts will use it to read the latest outrageous lie to incentive them to commit some terror attack.
Driving Californians (particularly the wealthy and well-connected Malibu celebrity class) insane with rage and paranoia, then pointing them at the milquetoast liberal stand-ins for Far-Left Radicalism, will do to California what it did to New York, Texas, and Florida.
Just a matter of time before the right-wing propaganda machine crushes the brains of the enfranchised class. I'm already hearing my mother-in-law blame the stupid Los Angelinos for raising her own home insurance rates. And more than a few coworkers are smugly insisting this is what a DEI fire department gets you.
Being a Republican allows you to be a smug.Asshole and call it politics
Its not the Republican-ism that comes first. You have to sell people on the "I'm exceptional" mentality first, then insist they're being exploited by their inferiors. Malibu celebrities are a target rich environment for this kind of delusional elitism.
Expect a lot more Californians going on Joe Rogan and making up tall tales about how the fire was caused by poors and illegals stealing all the good firefighting water, while the state refused help for some arcane bureaucratic reasons related to The Fairness Doctrine.
Nevermind that there is a legitimate argument that deregulation made the fire as bad as it is.
Because one of the things deregulated in the LA area was the building of homes in high fire risk areas. like the ones currently on fire.
The California water system is a dense web of legal contracts between public and private interests. Bad policy made the fires worse, as the central valley was transformed from an ecological paradise into a dried up scrubland. But the idea that California ever really had regulations to prevent these wildfires is naive.
Fires are running straight up to the Malibu coastline. High risk areas have been expanding with the repetitive droughts and the large agricultural developments of cash crops. You've got buildings going up in flames that were perfectly safe to live in 20 or 30 years ago.
Nothing the California state government had done up to this point was preventing the degradation of the local ecology. They're just at the end of their rope.
Not of the ecology. Deregulation of building codes.
You've got buildings on fire that have been standing for half a century. The high winds and brush fires aren't a result of the building codes. They're the result of perennial drought and the accumulation of flammable materials in the dust-bowls surrounding LA County.
These articles are where I am basing my opinion from. Note that in the 2nd one, the fires originated in and are either in or on the border of state-designated high risk fire zones.
https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2025-01-11/fire-experts-asses-los-angeles-blazes-amid-changing-times
https://truthout.org/articles/how-big-developers-crushed-regulation-that-could-have-mitigated-la-fires/
I know you're joking, but let's not do that.
That's fair. Not everyone is good at Little League, after all. 😉
True true
Who is surprised? People are upset. The two are not the same reaction.
2100 retweets on the lie.
33 on the truth.
This stupid bitch has since deleted the tweet and gotten back to it like it's another Tuesday. OSFM had to put out a statement correcting it. I hate people.
she deleted the original tweet, then reposted it again.
My bad, you're right. I tried to check first, but I didn't have the patience to scroll past her claiming America Is So Back because "Starbucks kicked homeless people out of bathrooms," so I ended up not seeing the reposted tweet.
She lies, runs away from OSFM, gets community noted, and still, in the replies:
There are many people whose work and ideas I deeply respect, but even in my weakest moments, I couldn't possibly idolize them like this useless waste of oxygen does gargling on Trump's ballsack every day.
Because I'm a horrible person, I can foresee that there's zero chance I'll die before doing something monumentally stupid. My greatest shame is realizing it probably won't be as effective as what Luigi did.
I wish leftists stuck together as much as the right thinks we do.
It's an tragic fact that correcting a lie is hugely more costly than making and spreading the lie.
That basically sums up all of far right talking points
But not quite as tragic as me using the wrong article in a sentence this profound.
Doesn't help that a significant number of modern media and platforms is optimized for content lengths that allow one but not the other (headlines, sound bites, micro-blogging, short-form videos).
Why the fuck you lying? Stop fucking lying. Why you always lying?
Money, grifting is the way the right makes lots of money.
I swear half of the right wing pundits on YouTube are just doing it for the ad revenue. They see that people are mad about right wing crazies so they act like they are right wing so they can clicks
Sometimes you can see their mask slip.
Andrew Tate, that Pearl lady. Both have accidentally smiled in interviews at times that signal they are trolling
Yes. It's always about doing what makes money cause money will make you righteous in the end anyways. You can purchase your way to heaven as long as you are ok with it being sponsored by your corporation of choice.
I like the idea that someone mid fighting the fires, put down thier hose to reposnd to the tweet
The office of the state fire marshal definitely did not put down a fire hose. Or get up from their desk. (or did I get wooshed?)
No it's just a funny situation to imagine.
Agreed
Mila Joy fucks DONKEYS*.
Mila Joy is a HORSE FUCKER*.
Leave Xhitter while you can.
*It’s true, because lols
Twitter. It will always be Twitter
Nah fam.. twitter dead.
Nah fam.. twitter dead.
Nah fam.. twitter dead.
I mean I wouldn't ever live in California, but not because of what these talking maga skin piles keep saying. I just revise to live in a disaster-prone region. I mean California has a fire season. Fuuuuuck that. Same goes for hurricane territory.
It didn't used to be anything like this. Hell, when I was younger it would rain in June. Climate change.
Well, let us know when you find somewhere that doesn't have fire season, earthquakes, tornado season, hurricane season, blizzards, or avalanches.
The midwest.
we're not in Kansas anymore
Arizona mostly. Fires are pretty rare in the valley.
Mmm. Forgot about droughts and pavement hot enough to cook eggs on.
Droughts are... US wide. Something about water tables and setting them during an unnaturally wet period.
And excuse me, I cook them on my cast iron... That I put on the pavement.
What is the average daily temp in the summer?
At 2am it'll get down to 101-100...worst thing I ever did in Phoenix was get in a drunken argument mid afternoon and storm out of the house...made it half a block and was dead from the heat...quickest getting over an argument I've ever had.
Almost as cool as other states with climate change XD
WV doesn't have any of those.
Join us in the mid-Atlantic!
Tsunami season
Got me there
Tsunamis in the Mid Atlantic?
Right wingers haven't cared about the truth for decades. It's just now they don't care whether we know it or not. Just think back to Trump's first term and "alternate truths" and all that. They don't care anymore. They believe what they want to believe, and no amount of facts or reasoning is going to change it.
But yes, everyone lies. Some people just more than others and some will lie to your face with a smirk on their face knowing damn well you know they're lying.
since they repealed the Fairness Doctrine (not that it was perfect) in the late 80s when they realized that balanced reporting was one of the things that forced Nixon's resignation
Like it's stupid how easy it is to make up misinformation and disinformation, compared to how much effort it takes to refute it. Humanity is doomed.
I could just as easily say: "The Oregon fire department couldn't get to the fires in time because they had been stopped by immigrant caravans, woke transgender hitchhikers and antifa mobs!!!!!!"
Gish Gallup
It also spreads so much faster; I’ll always hear the lie from someone before I get the chance to look it up for myself, so I can’t refute it.
Oh god, don't give the Directed Unethical Mass Blatherers Aiming Shit Streams Errantly Steadily any easy copy/paste material.
Why would known diarrhea fetishist Mila Joy say blatant lies on the internet?
You know how cheaters ruin online games? How their fun relies on fucking everyone, abusing the system and winning without respecting the rules? The same applies to people like her, trump, musk, etc. They're "communication cheaters", they don't respect the rules, they abuse the system, yet platforms want us to believe that they deserve to be treated like common users.
"Waah waah mah 🧊 🍑 waah waah censorship" - Fuck you. If free speech was a game, these people would be banned.
The problem is that the original tweet will have been seen by many more users than the reply. And knowing what the public is like...
Bot? How do we know that isn't just another of Elon's alts?
I suppose somebody could check if she's called him a good father recently...
This is the worst, this is the number one problem right now. And this is precisely what the Elon Musks of the world want.
Ah yes, the notorious CA Border Control keeping visitors out. Make sure you bring your CA visa if you want to enter the state. 🙄
These people are fucking off the charts insane.
This is something AI would be good for
Have it search for specific misinformation and reply with a canned response with sources using an official account.
And so, the bot wars started
We're years in at this point.
Dead Internet Theory and so.
Or someone could train a bot to exaggerate misinformation from known liars
Community note: In fact, Oregon sent over 420 fire trucks but due to the rampage of the woke chupacabra and the cannibals of the northern California mountains, only 69 made it as far south as Sacramento. At that point California officials realized that Oregon actually sent minivans full of weed and spent the weekend hotboxing, using the Jewish space laser that started the fires on the "defrost" setting to heat up the marijuana.
Then it’s going to be AI vs AI
In this case the misinformation AI will be run by Musk’s sugar daddy Putin so it won’t get banned
Have you seen some of the "factual" information AI states definitively?
Generic LLMs are shit, they try to do everything
How can a web of trust prevent Joe-bob from claiming bullshit like in the OP?
AI is going to make misinformation a 100 times worse. There really needs to be laws with bot usage on social media and data privacy laws.
That, but also better to break up all large companies and eliminate multimillionnaires and billionnaires.
Is that Threads? Threads is a cesspool of incessant lies, rage- and engagement bait.
Meanwhile conservatives are working overtime on further dividing the nation with false information.
Humans are truly vile creatures.
Alright, I've read enough here.... My conclusion; California fire IS gay.
Now, don't get up and clap. This was figured fair and square via research. I scrolled endlessly and stopped when I saw the appropriate comment that supported my hip-O-thesis.
Any one who believes it should heed her advice and get out.
I particularly like the truck/engine correction.
Everything the right says is a lie.
BuT iT fEeLs TrUe!
Fun feels-untrue fact: there are more trees on earth than stars in our galaxy.
Someone mentioned that on Twitter once and like 90% of the replies were calling them stupid
Why do these people want everyone to get out of California? Maybe they’ll move to where you live and start voting there. Or their secret plan is if everyone moves away they can then move in?