Canada also has its own population of total fucks. We keep them in the prairies. However like those states, it might be leaning more towards wanting that?
Disclaimer: not a source, just an ass on the internet.
It's the same in BC, east of the Cascades is also extremely conservative while coastal west side is where most of the liberals are. Even a good chunk west of the mountains are pretty conservative, it's mostly just directly within the Vancouver greater area that's liberal and then the island.
Eastern Washington people have been wanting to separate from Western Washington for a really long time. Western Washington is like "well fuckin do it." But nobody actually tries to secede because EW's dependent on WW's economy.
Accepting pleas from other comments here, Canada could get away with about this. And if they have the whole Pacific border, I'll also throw in Hawaii for free.
You'd have to create a corridor through Southern Idaho and Northern Utah to join the new state of "New Mexirado" with the rest if you removed Arizona... Hard work, but I believe it could be done.
Theres citylife washington and middle of nowhere washington. Occasionally middle of nowhere washington likes to throw fits in the city to support trump because they have nothing better to do
Though i guess that goes with cali as well. Lots of the non cities in the west coast just really love trump despite reaping all the state benefits that are very non-republican.
You don't wan the middle of PA... Maybe if they just turn everything between Philadelphia and Pittsburgh into a weapons testing site? Turn it into "no man's land" like it was always mean to be.
Wisconsin has three major cities with VERY different personalities. One of them is very Portland/silicon valley (in its own Midwest-y way), one is borderline detroit-y, the other is an overgrown suburbia.
Only state to have (I think) four presidential elections decided by less than 1%.
The states motto is "Forward" and it used to be one of the most progressive states, but it was also the testing ground for the Koch bros media network, that plus the gerrymandering from 2010 really set us back.
On top of other responses, lots of folks are saying the conservatives are coming to power in Canada. Those conservatives would hate upsetting their advantage by contending with what would be an overwhelmingly liberal population.
Also, that would be about 37% of the US economy. California making the highest percentage at 14% of the US economy while New York would be in 2nd place at 8%. The least impactful would be Vermont with 0.2% (for got to include Rhode Island). However, I think this would wreck the world economy with the financial hub of the US (New York City) who manages the investments of world's reserve currency (dollar) would switch from US Dollar to Canadian Dollar. The US would also lose access to the Pacific and a considerable amount of military force stationed in the West Coast states.
Not to mention half of the important US ports. The states left would face a harsh reality when everything tripled in price as all the goods that used to be subsidized by the rich states are now hit with import taxes as well.
If you go by recent province/state wide election results:
Alberta, Saskatchewan and probably Manitoba go to Jesusland.
... And Colorado and New Mexico, and Illinois become exclaves like Kaliningrad.
CO+NM is exceptionally fucked because its landlocked, and almost in a Lesotho situation (being wholly surrounded by a single other country) were it not for Mexico...
Though I guess Illinois would not be much better off as Jesusland would likely claim it owns all of Lake Michigan beyond 50 miles of Illinois' shore.
And Virginia actually went for Harris, so that's also part the United States of Canada.
Actually, only 19% of Albertans would want to join the US according to this poll . I'm surprised too. It really looks like these people are a loud minority. Or that at least being more conservative doesn't necessarily mean wanting to become part of the US.
Last election turnout was heavily influenced by Netanyahu. Swing states in general are more open to better options than Trump, that Harris just failed to impress. Trade with Canada important to all of them.
Excuse me but that incorporation of California, Oregon, Washington and British Columbia gets in the way of the glorious Long Chile Project. We shall be having words.
I can assure you that the vast majority of Canadians are well aware of that fact and totally disinterested in become part of the US or taking on any part thereof.
Americans joining Canada would have to give up their guns and other weapons, compete that training and licensing processes, and if successful would have the revocable and modifiable privilege of owning a very small selection of approved guns. They would have to accept that religious freedom in Canada, which is much higher than in the US, means that you are free to practice your religion in any way you choose as long as it doesn't effect anyone else's rights and you are free to have no religion at all. They would have to accept that it is settled law in Canada that a woman's healthcare decisions are between her and her healthcare provider and none of anyone else's business. They would have to accept that everyone has the right to marry, has had the right for decades, and that the only thing destroy traditional marriage is traditionally married people. They would have to accept that free speech in Canada does not include racism or hate speech. Most Americans would not fit in in Canada and we are not interested in becoming Americans and giving up the things that make us the best country in the world.
Wouldn't you get most of the millionaires and billionaires by including California and New York and the stats will start going to the US level or worse?
Canada is 85 per 100,000 and the US is 146 per 100,000. Canada is a world leader in Corrections. We are focused on rehabilitation and reintegration. That's why whenever there is a breakdown of a government Correctional Service Canada is on the Nation Building team that the UN sends in to help rebuild. I worked at CSC for 25 years and knew a guy who was on the UN plane that crashed in Kosovo during the Nation Building exercise there.
Because despite what the neo-fascists in the US (and in Alberta and the Conservative party) say it is very difficult to move to Canada. We don't have open borders.
I can tell you that a large part of that was as a spite non-vote against Harris due to her not speaking up against Israel. Less about supporting Agent Orange, and more about not supporting the genocide of Palestinians by the very large arab and Muslim population in SE Michigan.
lol... well that non-vote got you a president who is absolutely going to be a lot worse for Palestinians than Harris.
I had and observed several arguments with single issue Palestinian crisis "voters" who flat out refused to hold their nose and vote for the obviously less damaging candidate before the election.
so sit and spin, if you are an American and either didn't vote, or you voted for trump; you have nothing to say worth listening to...
I'm sure all the dead Palestinians will thank you while Trump is pouring petrol on the genocide fire
Losing CA alone would make the US possibly not even a world power. NY and CA gone, the US Would be a thing no one really has a reason to think of talk about. Suddenly all the movies would be about aliens landing on Canada or blowing up Canadian national landmarks.
It's never worked and never will, that's the whole point of the Civil War. The military wouldn't just sit back and do nothing, and states that try to leave wouldn't have a professionally outfitted military. My opinion, if anyone really tried, a few handcuffs would end their attempts.
Edit for the young ones: this is older than YouTube. It was a flash animation which was like a 2d game engine that ran in-game cutscenes in your web browser because that worked on slower internet speeds than video.
The question is, would Canada want that? I get the feeling that most of us living north of the border just want to be left alone and we would send you all the thoughts and prayers we could spare and wish you all the best so long as you let us be.
Yes, they absolutely want it - minus the dumb fuck part of Canada (is that Alberta?) - west coast and north east USA are highly educated, powerhouses in industry, and basically pay for the welfare queen red states. It's so fucking crazy how the east coast and west coast are held hostage by all that land in the red states
Canada cannot accept US rule because of US debt burden which is unsustainable, in addition to pensions, healthcare, and a demonic ruler under extreme corruption permitted by SCC. The US is a genuine shithole that is bound to collapse and, while that collapse will hurt Canadian economy, it is worse to be inside it.
Thing is Canada shouldn't have its politics influenced by the US from absorbing it either. As a Texan, I can say both our politicians and voters suck. But there could be an easy solution around this problem. Canada could just absorb the US as a newly created Southwest Territories. Territories are directly under the federal government and have no government of their own. Canadians would get new land and resources. Americans would get better healthcare and to be ruled by a less shitty government. Everyone would win.
I don't believe people understand any advantage to being in a territory, rather than having "full" input in a federation. Provincehood is an easier sell to the people who would have to ultimately accept. I do like the idea of enslaving Texans, under a posession, there is just a "who with what army" aspect to enforcing that.
Not true, we hate parts of America. I see nothing wrong with the image. Those states are ones I actually like to visit. Hell in the beforetiimes there was never really a border between Vermont and Quebec. Whole towns were split between the borders, and people could walk across the border for a pizza across the street.
I wouldn't mind becoming a part of Canada so long as I still can get my financial aid for college. That, and we make it so anything coming in from Asia to the US has to either go to through us and we make them pay a little extra for it, or it be sent along another route.
Please for fucks sake Canada, annex New England and the New York City Metro area as war reparations when this shit is over. We're economically productive!!
Unfortunately, despite electing a democratic governor, lt governor, and AG the state otherwise went full maga in voting choices.
Which is why this would really suck for a lot of folks. Today they may not quite get their preferences at home, but at least other states are keeping it competitive and may mitigate things. If those states left, then everything falls into a fanatical Christian fascist ethno state with no impediments.
I'm not sure Canadians would want the 6 million Californians who voted for Trump (more than 38% of the voters in the state); or the 3.5 million New Yorkers who voted for Trump (42.7%). Maybe leave the mostly rural areas of the Dem states for Trumpistan?
Also the included states have a larger population than Canada, so it would be Canada joining the Dem states - which I can't see any sane 1st-world country doing.
Letting the Trump states become a country, and the Dem states (sans rural areas) become a different country, seems like it would make both groups vastly happier; tho it would require allowing at least a few years for people to swap states.
From humanist/freedom perspective, the right way to do secession, is first have a state/regional vote, but then allow subregions to also choose to be the exception. The divide in US is primarily Urban/rural. There is the issue that freedom is illusional everywhere including the US. You need to be enslave to the rulership, and not allowed to leave, even if we let Netanyahu pick our leaders through a theater of an election.
Nobody wants Florida. It just shows up as part of your country one day. No one is sure how it got there but you are too terrified to kick them out because of Florida man.
I don't want to share the great lakes with USA. Let's compromise and take the rust belt. There won't be enough of them to cause too much issues. Plus then we can get Chicago and Philly too.
Also: why not give Texas back to Mexico? It'd solve their obsession with "the border problem."
Because Mexico already has enough problems without having to deal with Texans?
But think of all the oil they could sell to the US!
There are Texans on top of that oil.
They would just move back into the Us. And with the settlers gone, indigenous people may be allowed ot move back.
waves hand minor inconvenience.
You move that gods damned line to include Michigan. Right fucking now.
Nope. Move to a real blue state if you wanna come. MI has betrayed us too many times. We don't need that in New Canada.
As a Michigander myself I fucking demand this also
You guys decided to vote for the fascist.
So did Minnesota.
It was closer than I'd care to admit, but no.
The map looks awful, but empty land doesn't vote.
My mistake, thanks
Okay okay. We'll round up and murder the MAGATs and their moms. Then we can join, right?
Sounds like something a MAGAT would do to own the libs.
Huh?
The entirety of Michigan? Or should the Upper Peninsula stay a part of the US?
/c/CartographyAnarchy is leaking
Illinois is the real loser here.
Colorado
You can have islands that belong to countries, why not land locked enclaves! (Yes I under logistics and such)
What if we just take the empty parts of WY and MT to connect CO?
is redundant ๐
Plenty of countries have those. There's even exclaves within enclaves.
The City and the City
You re-elected Boebert.
I'd be willing to leave eastern Colorado behind.
On behalf of California, we accept this proposal, and we accept Canada as our new federal government.
I also propose we officially refer to the remainder of the US as "Dumbfuckistan".
ITT: People pretending that Oregon, Michigan, and probably Washington don't have a huge population of total fuckos.
Carve a line down the coasts. You don't want the whole state. And while you're at it, take the lakes and Chicago
Canada also has its own population of total fucks. We keep them in the prairies. However like those states, it might be leaning more towards wanting that?
Disclaimer: not a source, just an ass on the internet.
So u r a source
An ass source but one we shanโt judge
Yeah, East side of the cascades in OR and WA is extremely conservative. But they are currently hopelessly outnumbered.
It's the same in BC, east of the Cascades is also extremely conservative while coastal west side is where most of the liberals are. Even a good chunk west of the mountains are pretty conservative, it's mostly just directly within the Vancouver greater area that's liberal and then the island.
The Kootenays aren't conservative either
Mmm particular pockets are very liberal but other pockets can be quite conservative.
How about sky bridges between fortified independent city state enclaves?
I'd take it.
We had to accept Oregon in order to draw a line down to California. We sure as FUCK aren't accepting Idaho.
You don't have to take states in their entirety, you know. No reason you can't split them up
Eastern Washington people have been wanting to separate from Western Washington for a really long time. Western Washington is like "well fuckin do it." But nobody actually tries to secede because EW's dependent on WW's economy.
Exactly. Canada should only take the west half.
So...there's a correlation between a lack of access to large bodies of water, and support for trump ?
Big cities tend to get build near water and denser populations (exposure to a greater variety of people) tends to make them people less conservative.
The more remote you are, the more likely you are to be isolated in an echo chamber of xenophobia.
Oregon is already trying to redraw their state border with Idaho. Could just do that.
Accepting pleas from other comments here, Canada could get away with about this. And if they have the whole Pacific border, I'll also throw in Hawaii for free.
We should give Texas to Mexico just to spite them
Brilliant.
Having Arizona would be a big L for Canada
Yeah, but how else do they get Colorado and New Mexico?
You'd have to create a corridor through Southern Idaho and Northern Utah to join the new state of "New Mexirado" with the rest if you removed Arizona... Hard work, but I believe it could be done.
As a New Mexican, I approve either of these options to join Canada
Hm. Went with cutting Washington and Oregon in half rather than full take. Pretty bold, but makes some sense.
Theres citylife washington and middle of nowhere washington. Occasionally middle of nowhere washington likes to throw fits in the city to support trump because they have nothing better to do
Though i guess that goes with cali as well. Lots of the non cities in the west coast just really love trump despite reaping all the state benefits that are very non-republican.
Eastern Oregon is already trying to join Idaho anyway
Y'all are going to regret taking Arizona. And, frankly, everything in California not in view of the coast.
I think they'd maybe rather be independent?
I don't think this is framed as a takeover.
Listen.
MD will take Pennsylvania and bring it into new Canadania as long as we can bring West Virginia with us too.
Theyโre dumb but theyโre our dumbs.
You don't wan the middle of PA... Maybe if they just turn everything between Philadelphia and Pittsburgh into a weapons testing site? Turn it into "no man's land" like it was always mean to be.
A couple tweaks: Include Illinois and the eastern part of Pennsylvania. (edit: I see you did get Chicago, maybe just go a bit further south?).
why not Alaska too?
Get Virginia too!
Fuck that bougie ass state. Entirely occupied by weapons contractors. Leave them in New Honkia
I was just hoping to be Canadian.
Huge, COLD, lakes mind you.
and then Illinois, or at least Chicago
Isn't Wisconsin like a cold version of Alabama?
Bump for nuking the so called "Great" lakes
C'mon now, the last thing Cleveland and Buffalo need is radioactive lake effect snow
Thus creating The Great Concavity
They know what they did.
No, Iโm living there now, and the city Iโm in feels like a wannabe California (aka liberal, techy, high housing costs, etc)
So a city?
Wisconsin has three major cities with VERY different personalities. One of them is very Portland/silicon valley (in its own Midwest-y way), one is borderline detroit-y, the other is an overgrown suburbia.
Yes, a city in Wisconsin.
Wississippi
Only state to have (I think) four presidential elections decided by less than 1%.
The states motto is "Forward" and it used to be one of the most progressive states, but it was also the testing ground for the Koch bros media network, that plus the gerrymandering from 2010 really set us back.
What the fuck did you just say?! Are you suggesting that we are inbred? Alabama! Fuck you!
Seriously, why isn't the Canadian government offering US states to join them? It would be the perfect response to Trumps bullshit.
You want Canada to submit to the US? Hey Oregon, California, and the others, wanna join us instead?
If California leaves the US it would fucking bankrupt the US.
Washington State: "Come on! We're right there. Are we a joke to you and just here for you to shop?"
America has already proven it's willing to go to war to keep territory, Canada doesn't want that fight.
We've defended ourselves twice from the USA before.
Things were a little different back then
We'll just put up free guns signs pointing away all the way between our border and the Whitehouse and the path will be clear to burn it down again.
I don't think it's a serious comment. It's a joke to be shot back at Trump since he made comments about taking Canada
Only if there's oil involved
FTFY
Because Canadians don't want it so they wouldn't be representing our best interests
On top of other responses, lots of folks are saying the conservatives are coming to power in Canada. Those conservatives would hate upsetting their advantage by contending with what would be an overwhelmingly liberal population.
They have https://www.newsweek.com/canada-lawmaker-suggests-letting-three-us-states-join-get-free-healthcare-2011658
Oh man I'd love to see the civil unrest in the red States when they don't have us new Yorkers to give them their welfare payments.
Same from the west coast. If only cali oregon and washington could just be a west coast alliance separate from the rest of the problem states.
lol @ New Hampshire
Also, that would be about 37% of the US economy. California making the highest percentage at 14% of the US economy while New York would be in 2nd place at 8%. The least impactful would be Vermont with 0.2% (for got to include Rhode Island). However, I think this would wreck the world economy with the financial hub of the US (New York City) who manages the investments of world's reserve currency (dollar) would switch from US Dollar to Canadian Dollar. The US would also lose access to the Pacific and a considerable amount of military force stationed in the West Coast states.
Not to mention half of the important US ports. The states left would face a harsh reality when everything tripled in price as all the goods that used to be subsidized by the rich states are now hit with import taxes as well.
As a resident of New England, I'm ok with all of these changes.
It would be harsh both ways when the US damns the Colorado River, and California really dries out.
fuckyouinparticular
donvict's gonna invade panama to take the canal back, remember? nbd.
If you go by recent province/state wide election results:
Alberta, Saskatchewan and probably Manitoba go to Jesusland.
... And Colorado and New Mexico, and Illinois become exclaves like Kaliningrad.
CO+NM is exceptionally fucked because its landlocked, and almost in a Lesotho situation (being wholly surrounded by a single other country) were it not for Mexico...
Though I guess Illinois would not be much better off as Jesusland would likely claim it owns all of Lake Michigan beyond 50 miles of Illinois' shore.
And Virginia actually went for Harris, so that's also part the United States of Canada.
Actually, only 19% of Albertans would want to join the US according to this poll . I'm surprised too. It really looks like these people are a loud minority. Or that at least being more conservative doesn't necessarily mean wanting to become part of the US.
There might be more than 19% of Canadians who want Alberta to join the US lol
I want the Albertan's who want to join the US to GTFO and go to the US, but no, I don't want to split the country in two.
Im going by functional votes for a conservative head of state, not wanting to join another country... or seceede, cough Quebec cough Texas cough.
Probably all the same town groups. I wonder what is the lead level in those water.
Manitoba has the NDP in power now!
Colorado and NM should totally join Mexico, they'd be better off there
As a New Mexican, at this point, I'd be down.
Mexico is really quite amazing ina lot of things. Nothing you see in TV, basically
Last election turnout was heavily influenced by Netanyahu. Swing states in general are more open to better options than Trump, that Harris just failed to impress. Trade with Canada important to all of them.
Excuse me but that incorporation of California, Oregon, Washington and British Columbia gets in the way of the glorious Long Chile Project. We shall be having words.
(By all means do take MN, CT and WDC tho.)
Columbia!
Nah I'm more partial to a Long California going down that island on the bottom left
Peninsula
Bah. Ha.
Why would I want to join Canada???? I don't do well in the cold smh my head
-Life expectancy will go up from a world ranking of 48th (USA) to 20th (Canada).
-Education will get better from 31st (USA) to 19th (Canada).
-Math scores will improve from 34th (USA) to 9th (Canada).
-Robberies will go down from 98 per 100,000 population to 62.
-Traffic accident deaths will drop from 12.7 per 100,000 to 5.3.
-You will spend half as much on health care yet get better outcomes.
-Poverty in Canada is 1/3 the rate in the USA.
-Although Canada has fewer millionaires, we more fairly distribute wealth (better income equality).
-The minimum wage in Canada is double that in USA.
and most important you will be happier (Canada ranked 15th, USA 23rd in happiness).
(We couldn't find a politeness index, but thank you for reading)
Imagine how much worse all of those statistics will get once they absorb large chunks of the US!
I can assure you that the vast majority of Canadians are well aware of that fact and totally disinterested in become part of the US or taking on any part thereof.
Americans joining Canada would have to give up their guns and other weapons, compete that training and licensing processes, and if successful would have the revocable and modifiable privilege of owning a very small selection of approved guns. They would have to accept that religious freedom in Canada, which is much higher than in the US, means that you are free to practice your religion in any way you choose as long as it doesn't effect anyone else's rights and you are free to have no religion at all. They would have to accept that it is settled law in Canada that a woman's healthcare decisions are between her and her healthcare provider and none of anyone else's business. They would have to accept that everyone has the right to marry, has had the right for decades, and that the only thing destroy traditional marriage is traditionally married people. They would have to accept that free speech in Canada does not include racism or hate speech. Most Americans would not fit in in Canada and we are not interested in becoming Americans and giving up the things that make us the best country in the world.
Not really. Canada's getting all the states that are doing the heavy lifting in those shitty numbers. If not for them, every metric would be worse.
How are you now โ
Good and you
Not s'bad
Wouldn't you get most of the millionaires and billionaires by including California and New York and the stats will start going to the US level or worse?
How about prison pop? We making progress there?
Canada is 85 per 100,000 and the US is 146 per 100,000. Canada is a world leader in Corrections. We are focused on rehabilitation and reintegration. That's why whenever there is a breakdown of a government Correctional Service Canada is on the Nation Building team that the UN sends in to help rebuild. I worked at CSC for 25 years and knew a guy who was on the UN plane that crashed in Kosovo during the Nation Building exercise there.
Why doesn't everyone move to Canada then?
Because despite what the neo-fascists in the US (and in Alberta and the Conservative party) say it is very difficult to move to Canada. We don't have open borders.
Is this an unlabeled bad joke that's too close to what an actual idiot would say in real life?
We are on Lemmy, so it's mostly still save to assume the first case
I actually liked the joke too
I thought the SMH my head was the label...
That is one of the clearest jokes if I've ever seen one
Where can I vote for this proposal?
WI and MI want in on that, for sure
Well, MI at least
Milwaukee and Madison at least..
MI voted for the orange bad man so... no...
I can tell you that a large part of that was as a spite non-vote against Harris due to her not speaking up against Israel. Less about supporting Agent Orange, and more about not supporting the genocide of Palestinians by the very large arab and Muslim population in SE Michigan.
lol... well that non-vote got you a president who is absolutely going to be a lot worse for Palestinians than Harris.
I had and observed several arguments with single issue Palestinian crisis "voters" who flat out refused to hold their nose and vote for the obviously less damaging candidate before the election.
so sit and spin, if you are an American and either didn't vote, or you voted for trump; you have nothing to say worth listening to...
I'm sure all the dead Palestinians will thank you while Trump is pouring petrol on the genocide fire
As somebody from Wisconsin I will say that I don't approve of us being excluded, but I also can't blame them.
Iโd include you
Yes. Need Michigan or Detroit area if alternative is to destroy big 3 auto industry.
Solving the problem is dissolving all borders so the working class isn't divided into easily managed nation states.
Is the US losing just about all of the top universities in this "trade"?
Where theyโre going they donโt need no universities.
FTFY "Wear their gohing they ain't ned no skulz"
Losing CA alone would make the US possibly not even a world power. NY and CA gone, the US Would be a thing no one really has a reason to think of talk about. Suddenly all the movies would be about aliens landing on Canada or blowing up Canadian national landmarks.
Texas has a ton of nukes and half the MIC, we'd just create a American Nazi state.
It's Deathworlders all over again.
Didn't a group of separatists already try this in the 1800's?
How did that turn out?
It's never worked and never will, that's the whole point of the Civil War. The military wouldn't just sit back and do nothing, and states that try to leave wouldn't have a professionally outfitted military. My opinion, if anyone really tried, a few handcuffs would end their attempts.
Nobody's going to go there after abortion is banned.
Nobody wants their prince or princess saddled with that.
Trump: Fine, they can have California for all I care.
Advisors: Sir, if California were its own country it would be the world's 6th largest economy.
Trump: How about if we just send all the Mexicans there with some beautiful rakes?
5th largest
Wonderful news, everyone!
They are already here. Who the fuck you think does the farming?
They've been there since like the 1500s. Lol.
Michigan belong to Canada
Australia can come too. THE END!
Edit for the young ones: this is older than YouTube. It was a flash animation which was like a 2d game engine that ran in-game cutscenes in your web browser because that worked on slower internet speeds than video.
Poor Colorado
THANK YOU for including Minnesota.
I'm neither American nor Canadian but from what I've heard, maybe hand Alberta over to the US?
I'm in Alberta right now and it's probably the place that would most likely accept that offer.
Maybe we could have BC come in and do a left wing inquisition. All the right wingers will be banished to the badlands and that will be handed over.
NY thanks you for your support. Whatโs the pizza/poutine exchange rate like these days? Havenโt been up north in years.
wait a minute... can we make Colorado a land island??!!
In this case that's called an "exclave" and yes, I believe there would be a large willing number of those.
Can someone ask r/askconservatives how they feel about this plan?
Canadian conservatives would hate it. It would foul their apparent momentum in also getting control like the conservatives did in the US.
You forgot Colorado. But yes.
hello. illinois.
Iโm accept Illinois too.
Michigander here. Home of the water, Canada's daughter. We're coming with you even if it's just for the hockey.
Agreed
Iโm a Canadian and my dream is to one day fake my death and move to Minnesota where I can live in a small cabin away from anyone.
I'd love this to happen just so the USA can steamroll Canada into their backyard.
Hey don't leave New Mexico out, we're cool!
As a representative of New Jersey, I approve this message.
Include Colorado and Hawaii.
We'll need a tunnel from Denver to LA.
Airplanes. Flyover states will still be flyover states.
Armored trains.
Hell yeah! Minnesota is in.
Hand me the sharpie, you missed Chicao
Then hand it to me, you missed the g
The question is, would Canada want that? I get the feeling that most of us living north of the border just want to be left alone and we would send you all the thoughts and prayers we could spare and wish you all the best so long as you let us be.
Yes, they absolutely want it - minus the dumb fuck part of Canada (is that Alberta?) - west coast and north east USA are highly educated, powerhouses in industry, and basically pay for the welfare queen red states. It's so fucking crazy how the east coast and west coast are held hostage by all that land in the red states
OK, Alberta becomes part of America.
California alone would double your GDP...
Canada cannot accept US rule because of US debt burden which is unsustainable, in addition to pensions, healthcare, and a demonic ruler under extreme corruption permitted by SCC. The US is a genuine shithole that is bound to collapse and, while that collapse will hurt Canadian economy, it is worse to be inside it.
Canadians like American people. Certainly, it is both an economic boom without sacrificing Canadian sustainability to absorb US states. A guide to secession written last time Trump won: https://www.naturalfinance.net/2016/11/opposition-to-new-us-republican-control.html
The big issue is US debt and the fair share of "leaving states". There is a fair number, but also an asshole version of the number.
A "future fiction history" of Canada assimilating the US one state at a time.: https://www.naturalfinance.net/2018/02/fictional-future-history-reclaiming.html
Thing is Canada shouldn't have its politics influenced by the US from absorbing it either. As a Texan, I can say both our politicians and voters suck. But there could be an easy solution around this problem. Canada could just absorb the US as a newly created Southwest Territories. Territories are directly under the federal government and have no government of their own. Canadians would get new land and resources. Americans would get better healthcare and to be ruled by a less shitty government. Everyone would win.
I don't believe people understand any advantage to being in a territory, rather than having "full" input in a federation. Provincehood is an easier sell to the people who would have to ultimately accept. I do like the idea of enslaving Texans, under a posession, there is just a "who with what army" aspect to enforcing that.
Good lord what is that future fiction article? It reads like an edgelord teenagers manifesto.
Any part of your comment you want to reword as "not understanding" or "specifically disliking"?
Almost nobody would want this. Canada has the same size population as California and it already feels full lol
Absolutely not
We hate Americans
Not true, we hate parts of America. I see nothing wrong with the image. Those states are ones I actually like to visit. Hell in the beforetiimes there was never really a border between Vermont and Quebec. Whole towns were split between the borders, and people could walk across the border for a pizza across the street.
The geography is fine to have but unfortunately it is filled with Americans
Itโs not worth it
My body is ready!
For healthcare!
Ah, the united states of poor america.
Congratulations you just gave the fundamentalist nutters all the icbm silos.
Yeah, uh, they already have them.
Plus there's tons in the listed areas?
Nope
Naw WA has a few
Delegation from AZ would like to petition to join Canada.
I wouldn't mind becoming a part of Canada so long as I still can get my financial aid for college. That, and we make it so anything coming in from Asia to the US has to either go to through us and we make them pay a little extra for it, or it be sent along another route.
Cut out eastern Oregon, they want to be part of Idaho anyway.
Same with eastern Washington.
Maine is basically Canada anyway
Give Texas, Arizona and new Mexico to Mexico, and push all the white trash to Florida.
I actually am not opposed to this. Am NE person, letโs do it.
Nah. Just say: we changed our minds, the South can secede.
Because all those minorities that would become literal slaves can get fucked, right?
can you take Philly too?
Someone needs to post this to trump on truth or X or whatever he uses.
As an Oregon resident, yes please!
Populous wise Im curious to see if that just made Canada larger than the U.S.
The GDP is likely equal as well, if not higher in Canada at that point. CA is much higher than TX and NY is still higher than FL.
I think you will also have to put something in the budget for a naval blockade of New Hampshire, there.
And rename it New Kaliningrad.
New Mexico would like to join this proposal.
Please for fucks sake Canada, annex New England and the New York City Metro area as war reparations when this shit is over. We're economically productive!!
Give Alberta and Saskatchewan to the US.
Let the US keep the eastern third of Washington and Oregon. Canada doesn't really want those people anyway.
Nooo, take Michigan, too!
And Nova Scotia secedes 'cause fuck y'all mainlanders.
Whaddya at b'y? Crooked as sin ya leave us wit 'em.
Christ almighty, you Newfies gets yer own country too then.
West coast resident. Iโm ready, letโs do it. The rest of the US hates us.
I think I speak for all Georgians when I say please include us too (I definitely do not)
Maybe we could go along the coast and include Savannah before grabbing Atlanta, Iโd miss that city.
Looks like Iโm moving to NoVa after all
Yes please
Hey I'm North Carolina, can we get in on this?
Unfortunately, despite electing a democratic governor, lt governor, and AG the state otherwise went full maga in voting choices.
Which is why this would really suck for a lot of folks. Today they may not quite get their preferences at home, but at least other states are keeping it competitive and may mitigate things. If those states left, then everything falls into a fanatical Christian fascist ethno state with no impediments.
Please take me in ohio too. Please?
Id rather just move out of this state. Ohio kinda deserves this.
Youre definitely not wrong.
As a Clevelander I agree. I'm just over the lake. Take us too
Take the entirety of the Great Lakes. Lots of cities and resources to use to smite the rest of the US at a later date.
They can have the lake if they take the rest of us hayseeds!
Lol I love how New Hampshire is just left out. Now how am I gonna get my New Hampshire clam chowder?
Yeah, what the fuck? Take us with you.
A warm Canadian place? Yeah Iโd move quick.
I'm pretty sure Nevada and Arizona could still be salvaged.
Canada 2: Canadama
I'm not sure Canadians would want the 6 million Californians who voted for Trump (more than 38% of the voters in the state); or the 3.5 million New Yorkers who voted for Trump (42.7%). Maybe leave the mostly rural areas of the Dem states for Trumpistan?
Also the included states have a larger population than Canada, so it would be Canada joining the Dem states - which I can't see any sane 1st-world country doing.
Letting the Trump states become a country, and the Dem states (sans rural areas) become a different country, seems like it would make both groups vastly happier; tho it would require allowing at least a few years for people to swap states.
From humanist/freedom perspective, the right way to do secession, is first have a state/regional vote, but then allow subregions to also choose to be the exception. The divide in US is primarily Urban/rural. There is the issue that freedom is illusional everywhere including the US. You need to be enslave to the rulership, and not allowed to leave, even if we let Netanyahu pick our leaders through a theater of an election.
No, please, take me with you!
I for one support Canada as Americas headcrab
NOOO I LIVE IN NH TAKE ME WITH YOUUUUU
Lose the green parts and youโve got a deal
We don't want Florida.
Nobody wants Florida. It just shows up as part of your country one day. No one is sure how it got there but you are too terrified to kick them out because of Florida man.
Then they're allowed to legally move in, and vote, so not even for the lulz
Good luck getting them to swear fealty to HM the King of Canada.
This wouldn't be them joining Canada, it would be New California and friends.
It would be pretty easy to get rid of monarchy if we were to open the constitution.
If you don't take Wisconsin with you then...
NO CHEESE FOR YOU!
the only thing I want is upstate michigan
Oh, God....please take Virginia as well! We're mostly progressive!
No you ain't.
I don't want to share the great lakes with USA. Let's compromise and take the rust belt. There won't be enough of them to cause too much issues. Plus then we can get Chicago and Philly too.
You only want the west sides of California, Oregon, and Washington, and DC is on the wrong side of the border.
I mean... Yeah, at this point, any government other than the one running CA is better for CA.
Oh stfu
Absolutely not.
Canada should just take over the entirety of the US, a few reeducation camps could fix the red states.
The US can keep Southern California. Saves a lot of future bickering if they get to keep pacific ports.