What discontinued feature do you miss from phones or other technologies?
For me its the 'Knock Code' that LG had on their phones (I really wish LG still made at least the V series phones)
Basically there was a four-square area and you set up a sequence of where you would tap to unlock the phone. That set of squares was only shown when you set up the code
Then, to unlock your phone, you would tap those areas in the sequence you set up (even with the screen off).
Fingerprint readers are nice, but I really do miss the knock code
Edit: did find this article with a way to do the knock code, but if done wrong, could brick your phone I guess.
Plus, article is from 2014. When I looked at XDA's info on it (they also being the developers) it looks like development on it is over, but individual modules may or may not still be supported by their devs
Unlockable bootloader, removable battery, headphone jack, being assembled with SCREWS rather than GLUE.
Love the first answer as, I have to get on my Linux soapbox here.
I remember first using Linux (Ubuntu 9.10 for those curious). One of the big ideas behind it was 'its your computer, do what you want'. That's why you can have access to Root or the Super User. Since its open source, root can do what it wants.
Android was initially built on Linux, but they have taken Root and turned it into a way to restrict users not just from sensitive things (like necessary system apps), but also from bloatware (looking at you Samsung). Years ago I had a phone that came with the NFL Network which I didn't want. Could I remove it? Of course not, I would have to be Root to do that!.
Sorry for the rant, but really, I should have access to anything on my phone if I want it. Give me a warning, make it so people can't get to it 'accidentally', but then let it be on me.
You can still buy Android phones that have manufacturer support for unlocking the bootloader. Once that's done obtaining root is trivial. Pixel phones notably support this. Personally, I only buy phones I can unlock the bootloader on to show the demand for this feature. It doesn't matter to me how great a phone is otherwise. Can't unlock the bootloader? Not buying it.
That said, I completely agree with you. We all pay for and own the hardware, but let the manufacturer dictate what software it can run. That's like buying a car and letting the car company tell you what roads you're allowed to drive your car on. I don't really blame the average use for not giving a crap because end users will never care about this stuff as long as their basic needs are met. It's a failure of the people in the software industry to stand up for the open systems that built everything we have today. Without that constant fight for openness companies are going to be more than happy to take advantage of a locked down system to create a competitive advantage. Hell, look at what Google is currently doing with WEI in Chrome. If they have their way, the web will become just as locked down as smartphones are now.
For the record, it still is.
You want to… own the phone you bought???
Spot on, my daily driver is a PinePhone Pro with keyboard case. It ticks all the boxes. It also covers the "physical keyboard" feature which is a few comments down.
It has its downsides, but it's a full fledged Linux computer in my pocket. What's not to love?
Shits me off that rooting the phone immediately blocks most banking apps.
After a few years of playing cat and mouse with the workarounds for safety net I finally said fuck it.
If they’re going to force me to live with an unrooted phone, I might as well have shit that works with the rest of my families eco-system and go iPhone.
To be fair, there still is quite a bit that can be done using ADB and no root, much more than you'll ever get with iPhone.
But yeah, I agree my banking app is 100% of the reason I stopped rooting my phones.
Fair phone seems to be doing it... except their last phone removed headphone jacks and introduced "fair ear buds" or some such... even the open company wants to increase sales.
Yeah that's why I have the fairphone 3, also the 4 is REALLY expensive. And fairphone isn't really an open company but more open than others
Sony phones still do the bootloader and headphone jacks at least. I'm pretty happy with mine.
Problem is they're kinda overpriced and not very good value. Also I hate the super tall aspect ratio that they've gone with.
Many midrange phones still have headphone jacks, and removable battery has to come back if they want to continue selling in the EU.
Slowly going away though. Samsung took them off in the A53, and Xiaomi did the same with the T series phones.
Screws. Hell ya.
wait phones have non-unlockable bootloaders? I've never seen that before although you do have to do some annoying stuff on some to unlock them which isn't necessary
Plenty of phones have unlockable bootloaders and it used to be pretty much an expected thing on Android phones until manufacturers and carriers started locking it down and being more Apple-like. You can't run most custom ROMs without an unlocked bootloader as being able to run a custom kernel requires an unlocked bootloader. Being able to use non-Android Linux operating systems like postmarketOS also depend on unlocked bootloaders.
On most it's just a matter of toggling an option in developer settings and using fastboot to unlock. Some make it more difficult than that, others completely prevent unlocking (and thus become e-waste after the official software stops getting updated).
Removable battery is the big one. I had a phone where they only cost like $15, so I could take 2 of them on a trip and last a week w/o charging.
I did see that, of all phones and manufacturers, the Kyocera DuraForce Pro 3 on Verizon actually has removable batteries (and an sd card slot).
There's definitely a business opportunity for hot swapable batteries. I really don't understand why no one is exploiting this market. Construction, factory and all scale workers need phones and if they can hotswap battery they'll gonna love that.
They make rugged phones and tablets for industrial setting with replaceable batteries. But they are way more expensive that consumer devices of the same spec.
Just curious, what situations do you find yourself in relatively frequently that a hot swappable batter would be more convenient?
Nowadays w/ 15 SOT I don't think I've actually needed one minus camping where I don't really use my phone much anyways.
Being able to rip the battery out when the phone locks up. Needing to make sure it's actually off and can't be remotely powered on. When it's 3 years old and the hardware is still well up to the task but the battery lasts 4 hours.
How often does your phone lock up that that's necessary? I used to have lockups a lot more but android is damn stable now, haven't had one in years.
Do you disconnect your PC's PSU?
Fair, but if you're getting 4 hours SOT after 3 years, it's just not a great phone. My current Note 10+ still pumping out 10 hours SOT and I'm a HEAVY user.
Honestly in 2015 I'm totally on your side for this, but in the last few years I've never felt the need to hotswap batteries, and only slightly felt the need to replace it in general.
Samsung does produce the xcover series for construction/industrial use. I seriously considered one, the issue was it would have been a downgrade for me in CPU, display and doesn't have dex
EU got you fam.
https://www.theverge.com/2023/6/24/23771064/european-union-battery-regulation-ecodesign-user-replacable-batteries
I don't understand that argument, power banks are widely accessible nowadays, you can charge your phone without downtime, also can't imagine charging this additional battery, like shutting the phone down jest to charge the second one? I'm all for user replaceable batteries tho in case of battery degradation and prolonging device's life
While true, my personal gripe is when the main battery goes to shit. It's nice to be able to swap it out and get another 3-4 years out of it
At that point you are using outdated tech
I'd love to hear how having a few pieces of metal touching instead of being soldered is considered outdated tech
The only phone I had to even consider changing the battery was a Windows phone in 2015 and the replacement battery was the same age (and degraded state) as the old one. I don't get the need for quickly swappable batteries.
I used to carry a backup battery so if I was away from a charger camping or so ething I could just pop a fresh battery in
IR Blasters!
I feel like I'm the only one who used them or cares that they were quietly phased out of phones.
You used to be able to use your phone as a universal remote. Being able to control my TV, sound system, ceiling fan, and lights all from my phone was so convenient! Plus if you were stuck in like a waiting room and they had ads or garbage like Fox News on, you could change the channel or turn it off completely. It was an incredibly useful feature to me, but I guess barely anyone else used since it was removed from phones without any complaints.
Except me. I'm complaining!
Back in the day, I discovered I could i) print over IR to our office's HP laser printer from my Psion organiser, ii) print control codes from the built-in OPL language to change the display message on the printer. I would occassionaly send messages like "insert coin", "too much paper", "grammatical error", etc. when colleagues were printing.
I love it! Those messages are hilarious!
Wing night at the pub took on a whole new danger. The IR blaster was a total selling point for me on a few devices.
Still had one on my previous phone - LG V20. Loved when people starter looking around confused when I started browsing the channels on the public TV on gas stations, waiting rooms, gym etc.
I really miss it too. My wife loses the remote every 5 minutes.
Redmi Note phones still have (or at least had) them.
I remember transferring files via IR. It was convenient.
I remember, pre-Wifi, setting up a network over IR between two laptops to play C&C Red Alert.
Infrared Alert
IR blaster. You could have a universal remote app and control any tv from my palm PDA
100% this. I used to be able to control my ceiling fan, my portable a/c, and my TV from my phone.
Now I have to use the fan remote, the a/c remote, and install and create an account with some stupid TV app.
...it was also fun for changing the channel of TVs at bars & restaurants.
You can still buy a universal IR hub and place it somewhere within line of sight of your appliances, then control it via an app, which often has Google Home / Apple Homekit integration.
This brings memories back for when IR data exchange was a thing and you had to carefully place two phones head-to-head and not move them for minutes just to transfer a song lol.
One of the reasons I had Xiaomy phones in the past 5 years. Many models still have IR blaster.
Funny thing is I work for a company who manufactures products with infrared sensors and we have an app specifically for IR capable snartphones to fine tune these products. In the past 5 years I did not see a single client who would have IR on their phones, so basically the app is not used by a single person anymore. Either this or they can buy our official remote... for 200 euros a piece.
Pubs were fun with these.
Same with screwing around at school
There is a USB-C IR blaster that exists, but the Tiqiaa/ZaZaRemote app is awful.
Do you know any app alternative?
I didn't find an alternative, when I looked a few months ago.
Yep. My final phone to have one came with this app to control it that was straight malware. Force click a pop up every time you open the app type shit. I still miss it
Not everything uses IR blasters anymore.
User-replaceable batteries.
They're coming back!
If you have a Fairphone that's still the case
Samsung Galaxy XCover 6 Pro gang!
Headphone jack, dedicated fingerprint reader, removable battery, physical sim card trays
Definitely miss the dedicated fingerprint reader. Had a metal case once that came with a fairly thick (tempered glass I think) screen protector. Everything worked great except the fingerprint reader.
Removable batteries may come back since the European Union has mandated all smartphones have them by 2027
Samsung xcover pro
https://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_xcover6_pro-11600.php
Seems like a backwards move IMO. honestly haven't needed a tray in ~6 years
That tray is important to me at least since my last couple phones used that same tray to also hold the SD card. I can't speak for anyone else, but a phone without an SD card for extra storage is a huge NO from me, so that tray is an absolute make or break for what my next upgrade is gonna be.
Honestly? For all the bitching when Apple first removed it, I hadent and haven’t used wired headphones for a long while. I had Bluetooth headphones long before then.
I still don't like them, audio gear should last, and Bluetooth earphones are the ultimate in disposable tech. Costs more, shorter lifespan; only good thing is that it's a revenue driver for those producing them.
I’ve owned three Bluetooth headsets in total. The first I lost, the second is now my wife’s, and the third I still use. I wouldn’t call them disposable, but I’ll agree they are easier to lose.
Something a wired set of anything can’t give me is absolute freedom to move my head and walk away from my phone. I will never willingly go back to wired for anything other than gaming.
The batteries in them aren't going to go past 4-5 years; I have headphones and earphones over 10 years old, with one pair about to reach the two decade mark.
That is honestly impressive. I can confidently say I’ve only owned one wired headset for a decade, and it’s the one I use for gaming so it never leaves my office.
Everything else has either broken, or been lost. Though I fully admit, serviceable wireless buds would be a thing of beauty. IIRC there are people out there actively working on the problem (other than the companies explicitly aiming for them to be a consumable forever.)
In my experience wired gear doesn't last as long as wireless. The cable is a major weakness and there's no affordable way around it.
Couldn't disagree more. Plenty of wired headphones and iems come with detachable/ replaceable cables. On the other hand wireless earbuds can be difficult to keep track of and easy to lose if one happens to fall out. If you lose one, congrats you have to buy a whole new set because they don't generally sell replacements and usually come paired from the factory meaning getting a second replacement wouldn't work.
I've got wired buds i bought ten years ago that are still kicking and wired headphones made in the late 80s that have only needed cup replacements. Wired headphones will cost half that of wireless for similar quality and if a cable is ever damaged and isn't detachable it really isn't difficult to solder in a new one.
God I wish I could get a pair of wired headphones with detachable/replacement wires.
Definitely something I really wanna invest in some day in the future since I have had pretty bad luck with the audio jacks breaking on me.
You should look into the world of IEMs and "chi-fi". There are great sounding headphones with detachable cables that are still very affordable.
I definitely will look into this.
No affordable way around it? If you are approaching BT headphone cost, your headphones or buds will almost definitely come with a detacheable wire.
Personally my on the go is PortaPro, they dont have detacheable cable, the wire is flimsy but are only 30 bucks and the repair on them is actually super easy, the part where the wires solder on is actually easily accessible.
I don't know why you are downvoted. Wires are major breakpoint in many earphones. When i used a cabled earphones daily for hours as a student, one wouldn't last me 6 months. I could not solder freely since they always broke near jack entry for some reason and i didn't have cables around me all the time since i wasn't an electrician. Finally last headphone i used had detachable cables. After that i used bluetooth all the way.
It's probably a rarer use case, but I use the headphone jack on my S10 all the time to connect it to my stereo and get good audio quality, most cheaper bluetooth receivers only use SBC so the difference is quite noticeable. (Also because the S10 has a pretty good DAC).
I dont care about the jack, the lightning-3.5 for 10bucks is more than a-ok, that said fuck bluetooth headphones, apart from the “smart” features, sub 50$ cans can and will blow the audio quality out of the water for many of the “entry level” (quotes cause entry is still approaching 100 bucks) BT ones and when you match price it is no-contest.
That said BT cans are still fine but after dabbling with hi-fi I can’t go back to BT.
I think it came a bit too soon. I had a mid-tier (couple hundred bucks) pair of headphones, so it was annoying to me until they broke and I moved to Bluetooth (Sony WH-1000 gang)
They did have a dongle for it. Annoying, but not insurmountable by any means.
I use them daily at work. Luckily I found a pair with a lightning connector. I also use cable in the car (it’s too old for Bluetooth) and it’s a pain not being able to charge and listen.
We have a Bluetooth adapter for our car audio and it's great. Plugs into the aux jack and car power. Really handy not needing to plug in.
Same
Yeah I'm glad that some series (Pixel AFAIK) are now releasing slightly smaller phones, because the growth was getting ridiculous and highly impractical.
I feel the same way, but with one little problem: small phone, small battery.
I basically flip back and forth between small phone and big phone because I can't stand one aspect of each.
One of the features I miss dearly from when I used the iPhone, was the ability to double touch the home button, and it would bring the whole screen down by half so that you could reach stuff. There's probably a way to do it on Android, but idk
Idk about stock android, but on One UI there's one-handed mode: you swipe down on the navigation bar and the display becomes way smaller.
I switched to iPhone partly because the mini is that size where you can comfortably use it with one hand.
I hate how phones have slowly started to turn into tablets. No thank you.
On android I recently learned about quick cursor. Changed my life 😂
What is that? I have tiny hands, you may be about to change my life lol
It's an app apparently
I miss the notification lights. One of my first true smart phones was the original oneplus. It was fun setting up custom colors for different types of notifications and came in handy every now and then
God yes. I had a phone with a bright LED right next to the front camera and it was so convenient to know exactly what app was notifying me at any time
We got my legally-blind grandma a flip-phone with a notification LED on the outside. That little light has been a huge pain, because anytime she misses a call from a telemarketer/scammer or gets a marketing text, it turns on and she just. can’t. ignore. it. If that light is on, I’ve gotta drive all the way over there and clear the notifications.
I would like to ask about if you can not teach the poor old people some button combos to "mark as seen" but i imagine some old people want to know everything on their phone even if those texts and calls are scams and even they knew they are scams. Nevermind.
If you have an OLED phone, this is still a thing you can do.
Galaxy XCover 6Pro still has one. Also headphone jack, SD slot and user removable battery
Or even just the navigation buttons being separate from the screen.
I really miss how the blackberry volume rocker buttons would seek media on a long press
Preach it, brother!
What sucks is it would be easily doable.
Before smartphones were big I had a Samsung Messager (I think) with a slide out keyboard). Why not? A slide out keyboard would be sweet, and then you could choose to enable the digital keyboard if you wanted.
Wonder if they make a phone case with a keyboard (they certainly make the bluetooth keyboards for phones)
Edit: did some looking. It looks like they used to make these in a way I was thinking, such as this one
They don't seem to make them that way now (at least not for phones). I did run into a phone that has a new-ish phone that has a physical keyboard
I've seen such keyboard, packaged neatly into a folding case. Problem is the keyboard doesn't have enough weight to support the phone so it becomes awkward trying to hold the weight of the phone with your fingers while typing.
I still have my G1 and G2, both in their original boxes. I adored the G1 so much.
PinePhone with keyboard case!
Brave.
Wrong but brave
I could type almost three times as fast on a t9 as I can on a touch screen, and I've written an entire novel on a touch screen.
The old ways are forgotten. They were not wrong.
Fingerprint sensor on the back of the phone. So you'd pick it up and your finger would naturally fall on the sensor, so that by the time you look at the screen, it's unlocked.
I also found these to work way more consistently than on screen fingerprint scanners.
On my Samsung fold 3, fingerprint sensor on power button is awesome.
Works really fast and it's very reliable. Much better than fingerprint sensor under screen in my old oneplus 7 pro.
I'm still on the original google pixel, and I am dreading the day I'm forced to upgrade. It has the backside fingerprint sensor, and is in general pretty much the platonic ideal of a smartphone.
Except at current screen sizes, holding your phone such that the index finger is firmly in the middle of the back of the phone means you have barely any screen reach with the thumb.
Headphone jack
And its buddy SD card slot.
Why phone manufacturers? Why?
You condemn us to dongle life.
It's all about selling the solution to a problem they created.
No SD card slot? You are forced to upgrade since you cannot store anything more than what they allow.
No headphone jack? Hope you like buying our inferior first party wireless earbuds or the shitty dongle thing.
Next up on the chopping block will be the charging port in favor of wireless charging, I swear.
By that point, I think I would rather just buy a phone that has all of those features and replace the components as needed instead of upgrading while also having a burner phone I can transfer whatever "e-sim card" they force upon me.
You don't have to buy phone brand headphones. There are other wireless ones.
Wireless ones suck. And the dongle is a shitty DAC that determines what your wired headphones' tone is like. I've got a couple dongles that really only work well in my car's tape adapter, and others that only sound okay on certain headphones. It's a crapshoot.
You can get good dongles, but you will pay for it.
I have a Bluetooth receiver that I plug my wired headphones into now.
Yeah, I've got an old APEKX "brand" receiver. It sounds great with Koss headphones. Misplaced it, and got a new one and it turns out the innards were replaced with shitty chinese dollar store parts. Luckily I found the original.
When did you last buy them? They improved a lot
lol no they haven't. I bought some this year and they are beyond frustrating to connect to, just like they've always been.
Been buying them off and on every few months. Don't.give a damn about wireless headphones though. They'll never sound as good as wired, and fuck needing to charge yet another peripheral.
If its wired then its always connected
If not then only sometimes
Dumb point
Look, we have made a 1TB SD card!
Too bad you can't use it.
My first smart pocket device had two SD slots, a full-sized one and a mini- one, accessible at all time with no bullshit attached. I remember using it to share photos between people's cards right at the end of parties. I thought it can only get better from there.
Now I'm typing it from the phone that's twice the size and if I were to attempt ejecting my microSD card / SIM tray, it'll shutdown.
I wont buy a phone without one out of principle
I'm still mad they removed cassette decks from cars, myself.
I miss my smart watch waking me up outside of detected REM sleep.
On the Microsoft Band you could set a time window where the alarm would go off - say between 0700-0800. If you're in REM sleep at 0700, the alarm stays off until you naturally rouse, or 0800.
I've worked as a sleep scientist for 7 years, and the idea of not being woken out of REM is such a neat idea, and yet no other watch seems to do it.
Probably because that detection isn't done on the watch. It's a machine learning model running on the phone (if not worse) I guess.
Sleep as Android seems to offer such alarm.
+1 for sleep as android. Been using it for years by now.
The Huawei Talkband series does it. It's a smartwatch which turns into a bluetooth headset. For some reason, most reviewers struggle to see why anyone would want that but I struggle to see why anyone wouldn't...
I really miss the Band 2. It was so far ahead in terms of features, sensors, and the display was gorgeous.
I'm loving my Xperia, has 3,5mm jack, SD card slot (which I don't use atm, 256GB internal is plenty), stereo speakers in the front.
Don't forget the slot is tool less!
Ah, yes. I don't know what to think of that one, there is a microphone hole right next to the slot, and ofc I poked it trying to get the slot open. Luckily I didn't use that much force and didn't break anything... 😅
You can say the same with everything I mentioned
You misunderstood, you missed the point entirely (I didn't mean he was right)
what new phones have a headphone jack? I'm hanging onto my Pixel 4a for as long as possible so I can keep using my wired headphones
Why do you liked wired headphones? Once i got a good set of Bluetooth eaebuds I never looked back. I use mine all day every day at work. They've increased my quality of life dramatically. Wired headphones made it so inconvenient.
a few reasons: Mostly I switch between devices a lot (phone, personal computer, work computer, steam deck), and when I'm using Bluetooth headphones it's always a pain to switch, and I get connection issues when I'm connected to more than one device at a time. I also have high-quality wired headphones already that would cost hundreds of dollars to replace with a Bluetooth version of similar quality.
159 android phones so far in 2023 according to GSMArena but here is the problem not every phone has a headphone jack it is no longer a given to have a headphone jack
I bellive Pixels and some Sonys.
A battery which lasts up to a week.
This sounds like such an impossibility nowadays, but a whole week would be amazing!
This may sound dumb... An old Samsung phone I had years ago, came with alarms that gradually faded in. The most memorable, started with the ocean, and the seagulls... Then there was a fog horn in the distance. Slowly the horn got closer, and closer... Until it was all you could hear, and your alarm was going off.
I've looked everywhere for the sound file... It must be Locked away in a basement at Samsung somewhere.
One day I'll find it
idk why, but I dug around YouTube for an hour or so to try and find that alarm for you. I stumbled across one that's so close to your description, though it's from a BlackBerry, not a Samsung:
https://youtu.be/bOBaJHw36Dc
Is this the one?
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ARE YOU READY KIDS?
Didn't even know i needed that, nevermind it used to be a feature on a phone.
Do you want the exact same tone, or are you willing to try something new? My OnePlus has some tones similar to what you're looking for I think. They start off gradually and gently and I've been using the same tone for years now and haven't started hating it, which says a lot!
Not op, but.. yes please
Sorry my app wouldn't show me your comment to reply to, but it was updated yesterday and now I can see it. This playlist has the oneplus alarm tones. The one I like the most is called Dawn. I find it to be the best suited for my preference. There are lots more on that channel if you want to have a look.
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That absolutely does. As much as I loved the ship one, and would love to find that one, I found the concept a very healthy way to wake up. Didn't panicked you, just got you up. Sorry, I may be living under a rock, is a one plus a phone? Or app?
I absolutely know what you mean and feel the same way. I hate being woken up to something that scares the shit out of me. This playlist has the oneplus alarm tones (it's a phone company, not an app). The one I like the most is called Dawn. I find it to be the best suited one for my preference. There are lots more on that channel if you want to have a look.
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Physical buttons. Sometimes an app or the OS itself will fuck up and not show you the home or back button for example.
I would miss headphone jacks but any phone worth buying still comes with those... for now
I know people hate on the iPhone, but even it can accept wired headphones with a simple adaptor. The fever over losing wired headphones is strange because if certain people want them so badly, they can easily have them.
I have a wired earbud set as a backup, and the few times I have had to use it at the gym, it’s always felt like more of a hassle than Bluetooth earbuds.
It’s nice to be able to set the phone anywhere while doing things and not have to worry about the cord tangling up.
Similarly doing various chores around the house, with wireless I can set the phone anywhere and not worry about cords tangling up, or my phone coming out of the pocket of my shorts.
I’ve got some cheap 3rd party wireless earbuds with silicon earpieces, nothing fancy and they stay charged for ages. I know people complain about battery life, but it’s very rare for me to run out of charge with them.
Modern computers are slow.
Specifically, modern computers have inherently more delay time between the keyboard (or other input devices), the software, and the display than much-older (1980s) computers. This means that it is not possible to create games that are as responsive to player inputs as the arcade, console, or microcomputer games of the past.
USB is slow. HDMI is slow.
These guys seem to agree https://zed.dev/
Fair point.
I like where phones are now for the most part, but the thing I miss the most is that magic moment of what leaps and bounds new technology/form factor/whatever was being incorporated into a new phone. Like when the iPhone was first announced or when Motorola announced (and marketed the hell out of) the original Droid - I can still hear the boot up sound.
I remember the debates and arguments had when the first 4+” phone was released and how it was “way too big” compared to the ideal sized 3.5” iPhone. The idea of swiping to type!? What a breakthrough! A fingerprint scanner to unlock your phone, that took like three or four tries some times and was met with skepticism by others.
Now I feel like, despite how monstrously capable are phones are now compared to even five years ago, there’s just not as much of a spark anymore. New phones are iterative and have been for a while. Bendable displays are sort of neat, but just doesn’t quite tap the same bit of magic for me.
Hardware keyboards on mobile phones
Yes! God I miss my old Droid2.
The Samsung Alias was my.fucking JAM back in the day. Had a two-way hinge that opened in portrait for a standard phone, or landscape for a full keyboard.
The T-Mobile G1 was my favourite phone ever.
Headphone jack for sure. Like 90% of my phone usage is either listening to music or watching videos, so decent audio is like the only thing I care about lol.
I missed how I could set an alarm and then shut my blackberry off overnight and the phone would turn itself back on in the morning to alarm
The absence of notches
My monkey brain wants symmetry, a notch prevents that. And for privacy purposes, small notches make it harder to neatly cover the camera
Agreed. I keep the notch hidden at all times so effectively I just moved my status bar away from the screen.
And you'd have even more screen space if the notch was filled in and people didn't screech like howler monkies because their phone has a tiny bezel.
Samsung handles it nice where you can hide the cutout on a per app basis, and doing so doesn't move the status bar down but keeps it where it is. With the amoled display it looks like a normal status bar with the notch or pinhole camera not being obvious.
I'm not sure why some phones don't give that option, since if you do they shift down the status bar below the notch instead of just turning it black. Such a simple software solution.
Charging once a week.
I loved how older versions of Android (and afaik iOS as well) could set the album cover of the currently played song as the lockscreen background.
It's a tiny and maybe completely unnecessary feature, but i loved it.
I think Spotify and YouTube music still do this, you may need to turn notifications on for the app (so that the lock screen player can appear)
The lockscreen player is visible but the background isn't changing anymore
Custom roms still offer this. Additionally you can even enable Pulse (audio visualiser) if you like.
What OS is this? / which phone?
crDroid 9.7 (Android 13) on Redmi Note 10 Pro, but you should be able to find a build for most devices. Other roms also have this feature. Feel free to ask if you need to know more.
Does this ROM come with G-Apps or is it a non-google bases ROM?
Ok, I had to come back and check. The specific version I'm using (official from here) is vanilla (without gapps), but if this is something that bothers you there are 2 other developers building crdroid for this device and at least one of them is offering a gapps version. If I remember correctly I'm using nikgapps core, but I'm not quite sure. If you want to see more roms you can find them here.
If you're asking about the experience, I can tell you that I haven't encountered any issues with Google services / notifications or really anything else (and this isn't just this rom, most custom roms work well and are more than good enough for daily use).
Thank you kind soul!
I really miss small phones. Used to be a time when manufacturers were competing to make them as small as possible and Dell's 5" phone was universally mocked as too big.
You can still get really small phones - small enough that countries want to ban them for being too easy to smuggle into prisons - Zanco is one relevant brand
yes but porn
I miss the notification LED on older Galaxy phones.
There is an app for that!
I have an S22 Ultra and googled and found an app that will do that (even with the cutout camera).
its called aodNotify.
This is the video that I found that showed it, 6:40 seconds in (or I think he has chapters listed)
On a Samsung.
Removable battery and LED notification lights.
The RGB notification light is genius, I really hated that they removed that.
EU is bringing back the first one, apps like aodNotify bring back the second.
Tactile keyboards
I was looking for this. every single time I type something on my phone I wish I had a blackberry still
I miss the function when the phone would stay tethered to its cable at home where it wouldn't bother me all the time when I was out and about.
No one's forcing you to take it out and about...
I would seriously consider only having a home phone if I can ever afford to buy a place. Maybe a lightphone or similar to carry that only direct family have the number for in case of emergency.
SensMe in Sony and Sony-Ericsson phones and players. It was the tool that analyzed your music collection and sorted it according to energy, mood and tempo.
The best variant was on the later products whey you had a list of channels representing either moods/styles (Energetic, Emotional, Lounge, Dance etc.) or time of the day (from 'Morning' to 'Midnight'). The results were very good, especially for the time channels (except the morning) which were perfectly fitting the mood and pace of times of the day, much like Indian ragas. It really felt like your personal radio stations, freeing you from having to make playlists by yourself ever again...
It was discontinued in 2010s because of declared low adoption by users according to some obscure internal studies :( I've been dreaming of replicating it using Python ever since, but never had time to do a proper research.
Plexamp does this with sonic analysis. I haven't used it but it sounds cool.
I miss actually owning software and hardware you bought.
Keyboard and the ability to physically close the phone to turn it off/sleep/hangup.
My wife loved the Samsung flip because you could close it to hang up on people.
It was a good idea, also not pocket dialing people was cool.
I kinda miss flip phones? These days phones are too big for my hands and pockets. I find myself buying cheaper phones just so it's a little smaller.
And if you want a flip phone now it's actually much worse than flip phones were when they were commonplace. It's bizarre.
Because today phones are all jewelry instead of screwdrivers.
I loved my candy bar phone. My purse got stolen and I was most upset about losing that phone. I had programmed custom ringtones into it. I still feel fonder of that phone than I do about my iPhone, I think because the iPhones are pretty soulless and that little teal phone had plenty of character.
Man.. The Motorola Razr v3.
Fuck, That thing was so goddamn cool
I wanted it so goddamn bad that even now I feel the twangs of heartache over never having got one.
Well that's technically making a comeback with the bendable displays.
Phones: ability to throw it on the ground without anything bad happening to it.
Other: software that you could just own.
Still remember my first phone, Motorola C200 (I think?). This pebble of a phone was solid, you could probably get away with using it as a hammer a few times. Not as sturdy as that legendary Nokia, but still.
Those Motorolas were solid.
I had the Sony Ericsson T100, I still like the design.
I miss the kick stand that HTC phones had. Yeah I know there are phone cases with kick stands, but in my experience they don't work as well.
Samsung Galaxy Note 3 had a feature in the camera app which would take several pictures in a row and you could then choose the one with best quality. Extremely useful feature especially in low light. I'm sure there's an app out there that can do this but I can't find one.
That's still a feature on Pixel
https://support.google.com/googlecamera/answer/9937175?hl=en
Well damn. I have the Google Camera mod installed but it doesn't have that feature
You can still take burst shots. Just hold the camera button down.
Yeah I do but it's difficult to compare two photos side by side in the gallery. I need the ability to switch between photos that are zoomed in to be able to spot the difference and see which one is crispier.
Like "Single Take" on modern Galaxy phones? I think you can also do something like this with burst mode.
A tactile keyboard. There was a time when I could text with my eyes closed (literally). Now it takes me 30 seconds to "type" out a text that should take < 10 seconds.
My wife once went over the 2000 word emails i'd text her from the train ride home when I lived abroad. T9 plus a decent text prediction was sooooo much easier and faster than this typo prone bullshit we put up with
Replaceable batteries.
I'm not sure exactly what it was called but any time you took a photo with a Note8, it was always taking photos from right before to right after the photo. This resulted in much fewer garbage photos because a few frames before or after the shutter was pressed would be a better photo, one that is not blurry! Now instead of a useless photo, I would have at least something workable. I have not seen that on any other phone with this feature, including my current one.
I think live photos on iphones come sort of close. you can pick a specific frame after taking a picture and it records a bit before and after you pressed the shutter button
though for that to work you have to keep “live” on and it eats space much faster that way
It can't know when you're going to press the shutter button, so it has to actually just record video all the time. Taking snapshots from video is much lower resolution and quality than properly exposed photo.
Yeah, but the average consumer doesn't care. I'll share a photo from my camera to someone who's sharing a smeared shitty blown out phone picture back, and it's just depressing.
For folks with an iPhone, iOS Live Photos does this by recording 1.5 seconds before and after the picture as a short video, and allowing you to choose the key frame that shows as the still image.
Pixel still does this
https://support.google.com/googlecamera/answer/9937175?hl=en
Predictive text like my Nokia's T9. It knew how English worked and what the probability of a word in context was.
Now it's all: "the same time and consideration and I are going to be a good time to get the latest Flash player is required for video playback is unavailable right now because this video is not available for remote playback is unavailable right now because this...."
Even going back just a couple of years - the ability to default to entering what you actually typed rather than what the AI thinks you should have typed.
It used to be a benefit of android over ios - but now any unusual spelling you type just gets replaced by the nearest dictionary word or brand name, and backspace doesn't even get your word back.
Preinstalled snake.
I had an old flip phone that came with a demo of Uno. I could play a single hand, then reset the demo and play again and again. There was only a nag screen when you were exiting/restarting the demo, and not a single other ad.
Passed hours with that little game.
I miss mobile gaming when it was like that.
Dunno if this counts, but screens that fit in my goddamn pocket.
For real. I'm so sick of every new phone having a slightly bigger screen than the one before it. At first it was nice but I literally cannot fit a phone bigger than my current one in my pocket. If this is the trend then my only hope is vertical flip phones get cheaper so I can at least have one that fits comfortably in my pockets again.
What size pockets you got? I've been rocking Pixel XLs for years in my skinny jeans without a problem. Men's jeans front pocket, for reference.
Regular men’s sized pockets with the outline of my phone clearly etched through every single one of them. I’ve been excited for curved screens to gain popularity so that I won’t have to replace my jeans as frequently.
Active Edge, which LG originally came up with and that Google adopted with the Pixel 2. Of course they dropped it after a few devices.
It was basically a button/key press that you could configure to trigger actions by firmly applying pressure with you hands around the lower third of your phone. It gave a very satisfying haptic vibration response based on the amount of pressure you applied and you could even set the amount of pressure until it was triggered. It had something magickal about it.
If you're interested in the tech: https://www.idownloadblog.com/2017/10/19/google-pixel-2-teardown-ifixit/
This and 3d touch were really nice phone input improvements
Notifications that don't take up a big chunk of your screen.
I remember when notifications were just little icons at the top of the screen that represented the app, not three or four lines of text, or a picture, that let everyone nearby know what it's about.
I've had times in the past where I've been playing with my kid on the phone, or reading a book or something, and a friend will message me something inappropriate. It opens on the top of my screen before I can do anything about it, and for no reason. I have to open the app anyway to see the full message.
The Snake game you could play on push button phones. Oh my goodness.
IR blaster in my phone.
Sharing contact information directly phone to phone.
Lock screen widgets, giving me information at an actual glance without the risk of getting sucked into other random bullshit.
Oh but getting sucked into random bullshit is what they want
The OnePlus 7 Pro and 7T Pro had a pop-up front-facing camera. No notch, no pinhole, no buttons at the bottom to mar the perfect full screen. It was gorgeous. My (tragically bricked due to my own water-based stupidity) OnePlus 7T Pro 5G McLaren is probably my favorite phone I ever used.
I have a somewhat similar issue, but not because of rooting.
I want to use F-Droid for some of their apps, and be able to just download apk's.
The problem is that my work uses 'Microsoft Intune' for email access and such. Turns out, if I try to install anything from F-Droid, I get a message like 'Your Admin has blocked access'.
As you can imagine, this made my blood boil, but I actually use my work email and Teams (even though its not mandated to have it on your phone). The work around is to delete my work profile, install the apps, and then recreate, but that doesn't account for updates.
Frustrating
That I don't know. I know pausing the profile doesn't let me, and turning on USB debugging puts me out of compliance but doesn't let me.
Think you are right.
All I see is the disable option.
I might just delete. If someone messages me when I'm at lunch, it can probably wait
If your work wants you to have mobile messaging/email then they should issue you a work device. I never put work stuff on my personal phone or computer. And I don't put personal stuff on a work device. If I pay for a device I have full control of it.
If it's possible, you could try talking to your IT department about this. Intune policies are configurable by the team using them so your IT department could allow your device as you want it if so. Hopefully they would understand the freedom to use your hardware as you see fit is worth the tradeoff of loosening their policies.
I've been thinking about getting an apple watch just for Apple pay and a cheap iPhone to set it up, since you can use the Apple watch to pay without internet or the iPhone after set up. Then I could root and stuff on my phone without having to rely on safety net anymore for wallets.
Easy, don't rely on banking apps and other stuffs that require safetynets. I've been a client of, like, 6 banks in 2 different countries and never ever encountered one that cared. If one day I will, I'll just leave that bank.
I (evidently) didn't say "stop banking", I said "stop banking with asshole banks that require safetynet".
6 bank apps I've used with zero problems disproves that.
Four Russian banks, two Czech banks. Yes, it's a narrow sampling, but 0/6 of them requiring safetynet is significant.
You, sir, are just plain wrong.
Normal(small) size.
The knock code really was so convenient and safe. No way for other people to see it.
I was an avid fan of LG phones, especially the G series. I mean yeah, some features were kind of pointless (G5 Module??)
What? You're still tapping the screen.
I didn't word that correctly, you're right In being able to see someone tapping their screen.
I don't know how familiar you are with the knock code. These are the reasons why it's near impossible for people around you to figure out the pattern, while still being very convenient:
You can have a very long knockcode, but still enter it really fast once commited to muscle memory
You can enter it while the phone is in Standby with display of
And lastly, the 4 seems weren't absolute in size and location on display. You could pick up your phone and enter the knockcode with your thumb, only moving it in minimal distances relative to each segments, and the knockcode would be registered. These possible small movements compared with a relatively long code make it nigh impossible to figure out from observation
So back in the day you could hold home to pull up Google assistant and tell it to translate whatever was on your screen. No matter what app, browser, etc it just worked. I have no idea why they ever got rid of it. Now with the modern version of tap to translate text has to be highlight-able in order to be translated, which is a bone headed decision. It's like they never use the stuff they make.
Thinking on this, you should be able to take a screenshot and use the camera featiin Google translate. It translates text on images (inheritantly not highlightable) so you should be good.
Apple’s 3D Touch. It was predictable, reliable, and, apparently, under-utilized by the world around me.
Cool idea, but I think long press mostly filled that niche already.
Not the same at all. 3D Touch was miles better.
So much! Keyboard scrubbing was better. I never accidentally opened my camera from the lock screen when taking my phone out of my pocket. I could literally interact with different screen elements in different ways, with a great tactile response, but using 3D Touch.
I’m glad I’m not the only one who found it much different, and better, than Force Touch or whatnot.
I know it's not the same, but it effectively did nothing different. The added cost was pointless.
SIM card trays for sure.
Sticking with LG the little AOD app icon that would pop up when you get a notification on the V60. Forgot how much I missed it.
There is no way to play CD audio in the background on an X Box anymore. It used to be in Groove Music, and then supposedly in Windows Media Player, but I can't find either of those in the store.
Well, I suppose is old/discontinued, but my current phone has a motorized camera (Poco F2 Pro) I am not a selfie guy, so I could not care less about it, having no notches nor punch hole camera is nice AF.
You can even hide the navigation pill and mix it with some apps like Connect for Lemmy and you literally get 100% of content in your screen lol.
Fyi it's 'couldn't care less'
Thanks, already corrected it :)
👍 I don't like being "that guy" but with this one it makes the sentence not make sense.
I miss them being small and slim. I still use my iPhone SE everyday for a music player. It’s the perfect size for a cell phone.
The likely reason it isn't a COMMON phone form factor is the hardware required to make it a phone would take up too much space
What are you talking about, my https://www.unihertz.com/products/jelly-2 even has a headphone jack.
The iphone SE.. Was that not clear? The reason the jelly 2 isn't the same size is because the stuff like a headphone jack takes up space and iPhone users are willing to go without that stuff for the sake of the owning a phone by that brand
Squeeze to activate Google Assistant, from the Pixel 2 XL (and maybe others, I don't remember)
Some of the Samsungs that had a bixby button you could get an app that would let you customize it to go to Google Assistant. That was cool.
I would pay extra to have 3D Touch back
Extremely underrated, but once you’ve actually tried using it you just don’t want to miss it.
I liked the People Hub that Windows Phone 8 started with. But none of the social media platforms wanted you to be able to use their services without seeing their ads so ...
Windows phone 7 & 8 were great. This coming from an iPhone user. Idiots at Microsoft should never have killed it off.
Headphone jacks. My current phone has it but I'm afraid of buying a new one.
normal group chats without the apple bullshit
Since a lot of the other ones have been said already I'll do one that hasn't been said yet:
3D Touch
Small sizes
Multicolour notification LEDS - customisable for each app
Smaller camera bumps and less cameras in general - not everyone wants or needs to be a professional photographer.
Plastic bodies, with removable batteries via covers.
I don't know how many current phones support it but mine doesn't... Extendable storage via micro sd
Customisable vibration patterns for different contacts and apps - I remember how super old early Android Xperia phones being able to do this (alongside the LED mentioned above). I used to think this was stock android, I guess not. But if it was, why did they remove it, same guess for LED
ITT: people who bought the wrong phone then complain.