How hated must you be when suddenly leftists, tankies, fascists, conservatives and liberals find themselves in quiet agreement about their feelings on your murder. Even the silence from gun control advocates is deafening.
It’s the thing the people who are CEOs don’t want us to think about. It’s not leftists, tankies, fascists, conservatives against each other. It’s them against everyone else.
To be fair, this isn't really a "gun control" type situation. A single, targeted, killing, would have been just a successful if it were done with a knife instead. The gun control arguments are more applicable to spree killings.
Absolutely not. We simply have to deal with those killing sprees and just feel bad when it happens because the alternative is the state doing the killing sprees and nobody having any answer.
That's why the ruling class pushes all the wedge issues and divisiveness they do. If we could talk to each other, we'd find we had more in common than otherwise expected. I thought the recent surge in union activity could have continued to a general strike across the nation. The rich know what unites us and actively seems to keep us fractured so we don't realize our combined power.
Maybe this dude will be a catalyst in a revolution that sets these disgusting, wealthy leeches in their place.
Eh, going off solo and only taking out a single target is not exactly a wave of citizens applying their rights.
Now, if this solo guy keeps going and only targets similar people, then we've got a solid case that the goal is actually to fight tyranny and exert the will of the people.
One CEO down is murder. A hundred is a movement. All of them is revolution.
Just because they were idiots, with the goal of putting an even bigger idiot on a throne doesn't mean they didn't have a right to revolution.
Thing is, a failed revolution, insurrection, or coup has a different name: treason.
It's not a game. You either take action and succeed, or you're a criminal. Doesn't matter who's in charge, what the political landscape is, what the principles being fought for are. You fail, you're fucked.
We don't have to like the January 6th morons, or the core individuals that used the bigger crowd as cover for the actual attempted coup and killings. But the 2nd is, in part, about the populace having the means you overthrow, resist, or otherwise exert their ownership of their own nation. I'm glad they failed, but I don't object to them exerting a core human right.
But they also have to understand that they failed, and that (barring trump pulling some pardons out of his ass) they'll have to do the time if/when convicted.
Had they succeeded, they'd be heroes to their supporters, and the rest of us would have had to decide whether or not to take similar steps, whether or not to take up arms and retake the nation.
Not an American here so, asking for clarification, but isn't the 2nd Amendment purely and solely about the right to organize into militias and not about what such militias are for? So, it guarantees you can have your gun but not that you can just up and use it to upend Human Rights because "lol someone wrote it in 1776"?
A militia is an army of the people. In order to be that army, the people must be armed.
When you go back and look at everything else documented at the time of the framing of the constitution, and later the bill of rights, a huge portion of the 2nd was specifically about making sure that an unjust government could be taken down by the populace. It wasn't the only reason, but it was a big one.
Remember, these were a bunch of British subjects overthrowing their legal ruler and claiming self governance.
There is a fundamental concept that all power is vested in the people, and anything that stands against that is subject to revolt.
That's a core human right. It is not one to be used lightly, but it is fundamental to the whole country as it is directly enumerated in the bill of rights, second only to the three core freedoms that are/were considered big enough to list first.
There is debate about what is called the individual mandate, but if you go back to the concepts the framers discussed, and the way they overturned British rule, it kinda stops making sense to say it wasn't an individual mandate. Most of the arguments made against it are completely misrepresenting what militia and (more importantly) "well regulated" mean.
See, a revolution isn't an upending of human rights, it's the ultimate expression of one of them. Access to arms (it isn't just guns, at all) is necessary for people to express a right to self governance in the face of an established government. In theory, any arms would be allowed, but once you get beyond man portable weaponry, you run into enough resistance that trying to argue for that is pointless.
Besides, one of the first steps in any sustained revolution is seizing the arms of the rulers, so (again in theory) having arms sufficient to take police and/or national guard level armories, that's good enough. So it isn't worth trying to fight for things to be expanded when there's already a fight to just keep things as they are regarding firearm access in specific.
The language has shifted over two plus centuries, in other words. Militia isn't a big, organized thing at all, or it wasn't then. It was a group of the people called up, or self organizing, to take action as needed. At the time, a standing army was (among some of the founders) something to be prevented. The term wel regulated would have meant more well supplied, maybe well trained or ready, depending on who you ask. Which in turn means that the 2nd is primarily about every person being armed and ready if needed, so that all that was necessary is the need being known.
There's a meme about the idea that goes "something, something, tree of liberty needs watering". It refers to something said by Thomas Jefferson, "The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." Which is an out of context statement that comes from a Letter he wrote, which is excerpted in that link, and which links to the full letter in turn.
The states were built on the blood of tyrants and patriots. It's too dear to the core ethos of us, the descendants of those that shed that blood to ever be totally erased.
People aren't happy someone was murdered. People are happy that the physical representation of an industry that should prioritize health and treatment but only prioritizes profit got what it probably had coming to it.
both your accounts are on world, though, and at this point i honestly wouldn't be shocked to hear that you woke up tomorrow to find you could no longer log in
I for one wholeheartedly endorse this violence for it's reasons.
I mean fuck it. Reddit banned me for endorsing violence with a tongue in cheek comment that really didn't endorse shit despite how I made and grew one of the most famous subreddits.
Nothing is safe when a dude over there can make rotten decisions you can't physically do shit about. I'm gonna support the "physically do shit about it" people. Getting banned from Reddit did my health wonders.
Those fuckers banned me for "inciting violence" when I made a joke about melting guns down into bullets, and "glorifying violence" when I said I think it's funny when conservatives die from drinking listeria milk.
I'm with you. I'm glorifying this violence, and I hope the gunman never gets caught. If he does, catch me donating to his defense fund.
I'll give a shit about Thompson's family grieving the day the day that no American dies from lack of access to insulin. How many grieving families do these whiny fucking centrists ignore every six minutes on average?
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Sounds like you care about someone very rich and very exploitative, and you don't like the idea of scores of people cheering in the event they'd have the same done to them by someone they'd exploited.
I want to assure you that we do not care about your feelings. We'll celebrate their passing and few will sympathize with your grief.
Boba Fett felt pretty unnecessary in the originals (literally any random bounty hunter could have been used) but at least he had one thing going for him: A cool suit. Snoke didn't even have a cool suit. SMH.
He existed purely to develop Kylo. He got fridged.
Also, what he did do was create the First Order and challenge the whole galaxy, as well as coming up with the idea for Starkiller Base. He did the most out of anyone in the sequels but it was all offscreen. They told, not showed.
I was thinking earlier... maybe all the lessons in the saturday morning cartoons were really intended to keep the masses from fighting back. I mean, no, the good guys don't always win in the end. And cheating sure as hell does payoff. They want the masses to take the high road. While they tunnel through anything in thier way.
Yep, I sometimes really feel that that kind of people (you know what I mean) never progressed their morality past Disney cartoons that have it all dumbed down so that toddlers can grasp the concept of right and wrong.
I deleted it myself because I felt a couple of the targets were a bit too pointlessly edgy for the room. But some of them are spot on. (Eulogy Song from The Chaser's War on Everything for those curious)
It's weird how most people would agree that walking out into the wild with a camera and harassing wild animals for entertainment is wrong, but also most people will hear this song and get very upset at the guy pointing that out
The evil ones die in tons of Disney movies. That's where mostly the US of A got their brains washed and consequently celebrate a public execution without due process.
I think they're talking about Cruella, a movie where the "heroine" would eventually go on to want to kill and skin puppies. There's also Maleficent, but I don't know enough about that one to comment.
I also think there's a lot of Hollywood heroes that are really villains and the movie is just reflecting the author's fucked up world view. The Kingsman is a good example. Can we stop writing environmentalists as villains?
In a lot of stories, due process isn't something that comes up because of time constants and scope of the villain's ambitions, but there's something wrong in the writer's room for The Flash TV series. Agents of Shield would eventually deal with super nazis and alien invaders, but Flash was dealing with bank robbers and locking them up in their secret prison.
Hahaha "innocent". Ever had life saving medicine or treatment for you or a loved one denied by the insurance company? You will, one day. And that's not me wishing you ill, that's just how wide spread and devastating this issue is. Inevitably it will happen to you. Maybe you won't think these people are so innocent then.
i think I see where the confusion is coming from. Brian the Billionaire was not innocent, and in fact as CEO had an active hand in implementing company policies to deny people healthcare and leech money from the sick and infirm. he absolutely, 100%, without a doubt deserved to die, and in my opinion, he got off relatively lightly, all things considered. two or three bullets is incredibly merciful compared to rotting in a hospital while your insurance denies your coverage and drains your bank account.
People can boycott the company. People can organize protests. People can use other healthcare companies. People can lobby to setup other types of healthcare systems.
Murdering someone because you don't like them isn't the answer.
Lmfao stop trolling dawg, theres literally no way you actually believe this. Are you a paid shill, from a different country, or just seeking to rile people up?
Escusé moi, nothing says all of humanity has to be on a contiguous spectrum when it comes to respect.
For one, farm animals do you no evil, and you don't owe them any authority, so they "start" with a higher default respect than what some humans can ever earn with their actions.
Those poor rich people have to deal with so much hatred and discrimination😢
That's why I'm personally volunteering to take their money so they can no longer be rich and subject to such hate. I may be hated instead, but I'm willing to bear that cross and take up the Rich Man's Burden. Some may call me a hero, but I ask for nothing in return, no praise, no monuments in my honor. The only thing I ask for is to take over the burden of owning a mountain of unearned wealth.
"The recent murders of people experiencing homelessness - many who were sleeping at the time - is a cruel reminder that this is a life-and-death issue that must be met with urgency," Jeff Olivet, director of the US Interagency Council on Homelessness, said.
Those interviewed said that a political climate that stigmatises homelessness, inadequate housing, and gang and drug violence all help create a dangerous world for some of America's most vulnerable people.
I could almost applaud you for some kind of "holier than thou" morality you seem to be trying to project about the UHC CEO murder. Unfortunately your comments expose that you're just a middle-upper class cheerleader who stigmatizes the poor (as proclaimed from above, "No one is murdering the poor. - Except other poor people with guns and drugs. Or themselves" jesus I can't believe you actually commented that).
the key question is what it means to “die from poverty.” As a social determinant of health, the government already recognizes a direct line between economic conditions and health outcomes.
Why are America’s poor dying young? According to the paper, the causes are internal. Most of the variation in life expectancy doesn’t come from “external factors,” like murder, but rather from medical causes, like heart disease and diabetes. The poor die early because they get sicker faster.
Fining the homeless for being homeless. If you are homeless in America and have nowhere to go and are down on your luck, it is increasingly difficult to find a safe space in which to exist without being fined for loitering. According to the report, an estimated 600,000 people are homeless on any given night. Though nearly 13 percent of the nation’s low-income housing has been lost since 2001, and many people simply cannot afford housing, 34 percent of cities ban public camping, 18 percent prohibit sleeping in public and 43 percent prevent people from sleeping in vehicles
the discovery that the death rate for middle-aged white Americans began rising around 1999 is alarming. The increase is accounted for entirely by those with a high school degree or less. The 2013 mortality rates for midlife whites with that level of educational attainment was 736 per 100,000; for those with some college education it was 288 per 100,000; for whites with a B.A. or higher their death rate stood at 178 per 100,000. In other words, whites who have only a high school degree or less are four times more likely to die between ages 45 and 54 than are college-educated whites.
Poverty creates more poverty. – financial decisions forced by poverty often end up keeping poor people stuck in poverty.
Poor people spend more of their income on necessities. Lower-income Americans spend more of their income on housing, food and groceries, and transportation, compared to mid and high-income individuals.
Less expensive goods are often less economical. Poor people often buy low-quality goods in small quantities, leading to constant replacement and higher costs over time.
Financial exclusion exacerbates poverty. People with poor access to credit often pay exorbitant interest rates and high fees for basic financial services.
Are you completely unaware of the financial and economical situation going on in America? The rising cost of Healthcare, Education, and housing/life expenses? You're honestly coming off as a shill to everyone, maybe planning on a future political run so have to keep your comments "politically moral" (i.e. make sure the higher up's approve of your message)? Don't want to turn into another Mark Robinson I suppose.
If you have some coherent messaging or reasoning I would love to hear it. So far I'm assuming you hate the poor and blame everyone for their life situations, there are no outside factors that determines someones struggles in life but themselves? The poor die by their own hands or those close to them, no one in a position of power has done anything to cause them problems?
There's a lot of people in this world who make bad choices like using drugs, alcohol, smoking, eating food that's bad for them, etc. Someone doesn't have to be poor to make those decisions. But those who don't have a lot of money, choosing alcohol over food -- then complain about not having enough food -- that's on them.
They don't deserve to be gunned down in cold blood and neither does someone with money.
I don't think it's funny, more like it feels good to see an atom of justice done for once. One murder changes nothing, it has no value as far as changing the system, but the symbolic value is through the roof.
Here's the thing: even if we change the healthcare system tomorrow, they get to keep their billions. We can change the system, but there will be no justice because one of the principles of our legal system is that justice isn't retroactive. So seeing one of the guilty parties killed is an example of retribution that is very rare and exhilarating.
one of the principles of our legal system is that justice isn’t retroactive
There have been plenty of cases in history where this didn't hold.
King Charles I of England. King Louis XVI of France (not to mention the rest of his far-less-culpable family). Many prominent Nazis post-WWII. When society collectively decides that someone's actions were heinous enough and caused enough harm, at a certain point a law can be created and applied retroactively, often on the grounds that there was a clear violation of some greater principle that should be self-evident.
Umm, no, not really? King Louis maybe, but the Common Law system used across most former UK colonies traces a line back to before King Charles' execution, and the Nuremberg Trials were set up by the Allies (which prominently includes the US and UK) and form an important basis of 21st century international law.
Just as a comment, not a suggestion: a society that squeezes its people has to either repress them hard, or at some point expect it to start boiling over. The mob lynching the leaders is what happens once the mob gets desperate enough and are not heard.
Upset? No. More like a little uncomfortable. Partly because I'm an idealist who always hopes for the best and most moral and peaceful solutions. Partly because it makes me uncomfortable how little I am angered by this. Sure I absolutely do not want proles to go and kill the bourgeoisie... but I guess it's not... I don't feel the need to condemn this. Sometimes things are just... shrug
But it's really just a little uncomfortable, like a sock not quite fitting my foot.
I am far FAR more uncomfortable with someone calling this the good but small beginning of an overdue purge.
I mean how ya gonna marry someone when you know every time you have to go to the hospital theres a 32% chance your husband allows you to just die so he can save 1000$
Pointless? Nah, the bourgeois probably needed a reminder of what can happen if they keep shafting people. Recon it won't be long until the greens starts to remind them too that the climate clock still ticks.
Right. The situation could directly correlate. The guy responsible for limiting access to physical and mental healthcare for millions was shot and killed in a premeditated murder. He’s fucking with millions of physically and mentally ill people. Granted, this is the most extreme repercussion for his actions, but it’s not like he’s some random CEO.
He didn't suffer as much as the pain he's inflicted upon others. He also didn't bankrupt his family in the process.
I can't say this is the way I want society to run ..... but quite frankly I think we're all sick of pretending that killing someone with a pen is any different than killing someone with a gun.
I dunno, I think this might really rattle a few people. It's one thing to talk about social consequences like not being invited to garden parties or whatever, another entirely to be potentially killed.
I doubt they lost any sleep knowing their dad killed thousands by denying them coverage. Why would i lose sleep for them? Hell, they are probably looking at a juicy life insurance payout, which is more than any of us will get when United kills our loved ones.
I work in the insurance industry (though not directly for an insurance company) and while it's a small sample size, employees there range from apathetic to rolling their eyes at the "poor CEO needing money for his funeral"
Its all his counterparts at the other insurance scams that I'm laughing at. Suddenly they are considering their actions have consequences they can't control with more lawyers.
While I doubt it'll have any actual difference being seen by anyone anywhere, if this killing were followed up by a few more, or even a dozen more in short order, you would see change.
Most of it not the kind we'd hope for (tightened security, lockdown corridors for high profile individuals, even less access and interface with these people, etc....not concessions to decency, honesty, civility, humanity, etc.) but you bet your ass that it'd be living rent free in the back of every CEO and billionaire on the planet for a long time.
I didn't impart the idea that it would change things. Just that for once those horrible people have felt the truth. The truth is that no one is safe even if someone isn't out to get them. Now they are certain that someone is out to get them. It won't make them better people. Pretty much the opposite.
My theory is that it's just that episode of Its Always Sunny from the new season. Dennis is placed on a customer service loop and eventually gets so frustrated with robot receptionists, scripted tier 1 support, and a system designed to waste our time and pit us against each other, that he tracks down the CEO of the car company at his beach house and rips his heart out of his chest and eats it.
The joker is the worst one to use here regardless of the universe you use. In that particular universe he's more akin to the weird fucking red pill/mra movement than an anti capitalist since he was loosely based on Bernie geatz. It's why the maga sphere went crazy for what was a series of terrible movies that they entirely miss the point of.
I think the message is that there's a thin line between the hero and the villain. The villain feels the same anger and desire for justice we all do. Just add a bit of delusion, and you can turn Gandhi into Hitler, or Batman into the Joker.
It's really not though, it's about modern moral failings and their outcomes that happen to have economic effects and notably none of the issues persued in the movie are exclusive to capitalist models.
The Batman universe is to some degree anti capitalist but the protagonist being one of the richest people in the planet who cannonically got that money by theft, violence and arms dealing kinda cancels that out.
You can read what you want into it but it specifically was not anti capitalist. It's outright glorification of the Bernie geatz model, ie. A crybaby lower middle class white man who goes bat shit on the subway and blames literally everyone else but himself.
Similarly Bernie geatz was very much a capitalist.
Friend, I'm not gonna slam you because it's clear your intentions are right, but you are misunderstanding the movie big time. I want you to watch it again and pay extra attention to the subway scene and who those people in the scene were.
I think you're misunderstanding the movie friend and none of this was intended as a "slam" so I'm not sure why you would bring that up anyway.
I have no intention of rewatching either of those dumpster fires. I do love it that the right sees the Bernie goetz vigilante shit and goes "oh shit that's the point! We gotta take these probably into our own hands!" And you get white nationalist mass shooters that reference the joker. The left goes "Oh shit this movie delves into the moral failings of a deeply sick modern society and also how money is evil... It must be anti capitalist!" It's just not, it's a case study on the moral failings of society through the eyes of the mentally ill, the fact you see it as anti capitalist is your mental illness and that's the point of the movie.
How hated must you be when suddenly leftists, tankies, fascists, conservatives and liberals find themselves in quiet agreement about their feelings on your murder. Even the silence from gun control advocates is deafening.
It’s the thing the people who are CEOs don’t want us to think about. It’s not leftists, tankies, fascists, conservatives against each other. It’s them against everyone else.
To be fair, this isn't really a "gun control" type situation. A single, targeted, killing, would have been just a successful if it were done with a knife instead. The gun control arguments are more applicable to spree killings.
I mean, the guy would have been able to write their whole message on one knife rather than needing three bullet casings to get it across.
So I guess environmentalists and the metal industry (Big Metal?) would probably care a bit?
Absolutely not. We simply have to deal with those killing sprees and just feel bad when it happens because the alternative is the state doing the killing sprees and nobody having any answer.
I'm confused. Are you saying that the gravy seals have any hint of a chance against the US army?
Did...did the good guy with a gun finally show up?
He's got milk and cigarettes for everyone!
That's why the ruling class pushes all the wedge issues and divisiveness they do. If we could talk to each other, we'd find we had more in common than otherwise expected. I thought the recent surge in union activity could have continued to a general strike across the nation. The rich know what unites us and actively seems to keep us fractured so we don't realize our combined power.
Maybe this dude will be a catalyst in a revolution that sets these disgusting, wealthy leeches in their place.
Even if this isn't the one, the accelerated pace at which we're having moments that might should scare the oligarchs
Everyone has been feeling the pressure of "something is about to happen" for the better part of a decade. That pressure has to vent somewhere.
Kind of seems like there's no war but the class war.
The few precious moments of shared class consciousness.
There's nothing quiet about the agreement on Lemmy over this.
The quiet part is the agreement with others you completely disagree with almost always, and even often despise.
"Quiet"?
Nothing quiet about it.
This is what a patriot looks like.
The only person in the whole country using the second amendment correctly (successfully, anyway)
Eh, going off solo and only taking out a single target is not exactly a wave of citizens applying their rights.
Now, if this solo guy keeps going and only targets similar people, then we've got a solid case that the goal is actually to fight tyranny and exert the will of the people.
One CEO down is murder. A hundred is a movement. All of them is revolution.
Yeah, people actually doing what the second amendment was explicitly written to allow them to do looks like, uhhh.... January 6, 2021.
Well, yeah.
Just because they were idiots, with the goal of putting an even bigger idiot on a throne doesn't mean they didn't have a right to revolution.
Thing is, a failed revolution, insurrection, or coup has a different name: treason.
It's not a game. You either take action and succeed, or you're a criminal. Doesn't matter who's in charge, what the political landscape is, what the principles being fought for are. You fail, you're fucked.
We don't have to like the January 6th morons, or the core individuals that used the bigger crowd as cover for the actual attempted coup and killings. But the 2nd is, in part, about the populace having the means you overthrow, resist, or otherwise exert their ownership of their own nation. I'm glad they failed, but I don't object to them exerting a core human right.
But they also have to understand that they failed, and that (barring trump pulling some pardons out of his ass) they'll have to do the time if/when convicted.
Had they succeeded, they'd be heroes to their supporters, and the rest of us would have had to decide whether or not to take similar steps, whether or not to take up arms and retake the nation.
Not an American here so, asking for clarification, but isn't the 2nd Amendment purely and solely about the right to organize into militias and not about what such militias are for? So, it guarantees you can have your gun but not that you can just up and use it to upend Human Rights because "lol someone wrote it in 1776"?
Nah, that's a pretty common misconception.
A militia is an army of the people. In order to be that army, the people must be armed.
When you go back and look at everything else documented at the time of the framing of the constitution, and later the bill of rights, a huge portion of the 2nd was specifically about making sure that an unjust government could be taken down by the populace. It wasn't the only reason, but it was a big one.
Remember, these were a bunch of British subjects overthrowing their legal ruler and claiming self governance.
There is a fundamental concept that all power is vested in the people, and anything that stands against that is subject to revolt.
That's a core human right. It is not one to be used lightly, but it is fundamental to the whole country as it is directly enumerated in the bill of rights, second only to the three core freedoms that are/were considered big enough to list first.
There is debate about what is called the individual mandate, but if you go back to the concepts the framers discussed, and the way they overturned British rule, it kinda stops making sense to say it wasn't an individual mandate. Most of the arguments made against it are completely misrepresenting what militia and (more importantly) "well regulated" mean.
See, a revolution isn't an upending of human rights, it's the ultimate expression of one of them. Access to arms (it isn't just guns, at all) is necessary for people to express a right to self governance in the face of an established government. In theory, any arms would be allowed, but once you get beyond man portable weaponry, you run into enough resistance that trying to argue for that is pointless.
Besides, one of the first steps in any sustained revolution is seizing the arms of the rulers, so (again in theory) having arms sufficient to take police and/or national guard level armories, that's good enough. So it isn't worth trying to fight for things to be expanded when there's already a fight to just keep things as they are regarding firearm access in specific.
The language has shifted over two plus centuries, in other words. Militia isn't a big, organized thing at all, or it wasn't then. It was a group of the people called up, or self organizing, to take action as needed. At the time, a standing army was (among some of the founders) something to be prevented. The term wel regulated would have meant more well supplied, maybe well trained or ready, depending on who you ask. Which in turn means that the 2nd is primarily about every person being armed and ready if needed, so that all that was necessary is the need being known.
There's a meme about the idea that goes "something, something, tree of liberty needs watering". It refers to something said by Thomas Jefferson, "The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." Which is an out of context statement that comes from a Letter he wrote, which is excerpted in that link, and which links to the full letter in turn.
The states were built on the blood of tyrants and patriots. It's too dear to the core ethos of us, the descendants of those that shed that blood to ever be totally erased.
The more-or-less stated goal of the second amendment is that the people have the tools needed to overthrow the government if they need to.
I appreciate the sentiment, but there's a while cult of people dedicated to using it correctly that you never hear of because they never shoot anyone.
Finally, some American (I assume here he is) shows they know how to use a gun!
Now, where was he for the Olympics...
(hopefully, training for this masterful moment)
People aren't happy someone was murdered. People are happy that the physical representation of an industry that should prioritize health and treatment but only prioritizes profit got what it probably had coming to it.
I’m kinda happy. Hope it happens more too. Aaaand ima get banned aren’t I?
Nah, this ain't lemmy.world.
For the record I'm very happy about this.
both your accounts are on world, though, and at this point i honestly wouldn't be shocked to hear that you woke up tomorrow to find you could no longer log in
What do you mean both? I only have one account.
You and the guy you're replying to
Oh, duh. Sorry.
I for one wholeheartedly endorse this violence for it's reasons.
I mean fuck it. Reddit banned me for endorsing violence with a tongue in cheek comment that really didn't endorse shit despite how I made and grew one of the most famous subreddits.
Nothing is safe when a dude over there can make rotten decisions you can't physically do shit about. I'm gonna support the "physically do shit about it" people. Getting banned from Reddit did my health wonders.
Those fuckers banned me for "inciting violence" when I made a joke about melting guns down into bullets, and "glorifying violence" when I said I think it's funny when conservatives die from drinking listeria milk.
I'm with you. I'm glorifying this violence, and I hope the gunman never gets caught. If he does, catch me donating to his defense fund.
I'll give a shit about Thompson's family grieving the day the day that no American dies from lack of access to insulin. How many grieving families do these whiny fucking centrists ignore every six minutes on average?
No mods, I didnt see any comment.
RIP ur account when an admin sees it
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least rabid ml user:
haha rabid in what way?
not ne.. your .world yeah your banned
And it also shows the rich getting to experience the find out part after constantly fucking around.
I’m just here so I don’t get fined
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rmABbHSOTqQ
It was a PERSON that was murdered.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_murder
So were all the people who died from denied care so he could buy a yacht or fourth house or whatever.
So was Jeffrey Dahmer.
Brian had a way higher k/d ratio though, so thats really unfair to Jeffrey.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯ people die everyday
Sometimes they die because the health insurance that they pay for gets rejected.
Right? Fuck people
I’m not entirely convinced that billionaires should be considered human
43 millionaire. He was 957 million short of his first billion. He was comfortably in the top 1%, but not anywhere close to the top .1%.
He wasn't a billionaire. Not even close.
Maybe people shouldn't consider you human.
If he ever starts hoarding piles of gold like an angry dragon, you may have a point
Sounds like you care about someone very rich and very exploitative, and you don't like the idea of scores of people cheering in the event they'd have the same done to them by someone they'd exploited.
I want to assure you that we do not care about your feelings. We'll celebrate their passing and few will sympathize with your grief.
I don't agree with innocent people being gunned down for no reason.
I'm gonna guess you're not worried about someone else, you're feeling some kind of guilt about exploiting a lot of people.
"For no reason?" Were you hatched yesterday, or something?
Neither do I. Hence I celebrate that he was gunned down for good yes reason.
It's sick to think there's people like you in the world who condone killing innocent people just because you don't like them.
Doubt
A person? No, it was lots of people who were murdered. Fortunately, they got the guy who was doing it.
The person who murdered the CEO has not been caught so you are wrong.
Is it murder to shoot someone who's in the process of murdering people in order to stop them from committing murder?
I mean, sort of.
To be that cold blooded he was definitely a reptile of some sort.
Let's not offend reptiles like this. Cockroaches, maybe.
Yeah you're right, I've handled wild garter snakes that are more nice then that guy.
He was a person. Dehumanizing him like you did is similar to how Hitler dehumanized people. Congrats on being like Hitler.
https://lemm.ee/comment/16671211
Is your retort the 8-year old version of "I know you are but what am I?"
"LiTERalLy HiTleR"
Yeah, but the person was a murderer to begin with.
The kind of PERSON who celebrates profiting off of making people suffer by snorting coke off his buddies cocks. Deny, defend, depose.
nooo how dare you push the lever :(
Protip: knowing how to type while holding SHIFT does not make you CORRECT.
Morally not condoning murder of an innocent makes me correct.
Feel free to not condonde the murder of an innocent all you want, but that's another case, not this one.
nah
He wasn't a rock?!??
Been saying it since 🔔Limbaugh🔔. The idea that we need to pretend it isn't a good thing when evil people die is some Disney channel bullshit
Disney used to like killing their villains. These days, they make entire movies dedicated to the villain...
Yeah god dammit Moana that fucking monster.
At least they killed Thanos twice and smoked Snoke like he was nothing
I'm still upset we didn't get anything about snokes back story. Why did he even exist if he was going to do nothing and then die
Boba Fett felt pretty unnecessary in the originals (literally any random bounty hunter could have been used) but at least he had one thing going for him: A cool suit. Snoke didn't even have a cool suit. SMH.
He existed purely to develop Kylo. He got fridged.
Also, what he did do was create the First Order and challenge the whole galaxy, as well as coming up with the idea for Starkiller Base. He did the most out of anyone in the sequels but it was all offscreen. They told, not showed.
It shows how little they actually put effort in character building....
How can you declare that Snot or Snort or whatever his name is the master of an important character and then boom he's dead...
It was so pointless...
Obi wan kenobi death was purposeful as you see he became stronger in death...
Stork... Or wait was it snork? Anyway that character didn't even need to be in the movie...
Snooker. His name was Snooker.
Damnit, you just made him important 😜
lol
I was thinking earlier... maybe all the lessons in the saturday morning cartoons were really intended to keep the masses from fighting back. I mean, no, the good guys don't always win in the end. And cheating sure as hell does payoff. They want the masses to take the high road. While they tunnel through anything in thier way.
Yep, I sometimes really feel that that kind of people (you know what I mean) never progressed their morality past Disney cartoons that have it all dumbed down so that toddlers can grasp the concept of right and wrong.
I clicked that link before the comment was deleted, and wow that is an offensive song
+1, takes me back to the good old days
I deleted it myself because I felt a couple of the targets were a bit too pointlessly edgy for the room. But some of them are spot on. (Eulogy Song from The Chaser's War on Everything for those curious)
It's weird how most people would agree that walking out into the wild with a camera and harassing wild animals for entertainment is wrong, but also most people will hear this song and get very upset at the guy pointing that out
The evil ones die in tons of Disney movies. That's where mostly the US of A got their brains washed and consequently celebrate a public execution without due process.
I think they're talking about Cruella, a movie where the "heroine" would eventually go on to want to kill and skin puppies. There's also Maleficent, but I don't know enough about that one to comment.
I also think there's a lot of Hollywood heroes that are really villains and the movie is just reflecting the author's fucked up world view. The Kingsman is a good example. Can we stop writing environmentalists as villains?
In a lot of stories, due process isn't something that comes up because of time constants and scope of the villain's ambitions, but there's something wrong in the writer's room for The Flash TV series. Agents of Shield would eventually deal with super nazis and alien invaders, but Flash was dealing with bank robbers and locking them up in their secret prison.
One down...
That's a horrible sentiment. Don't condone evil.
I'm not. I'm condoning getting rid of evil.
You're evil if you desire an innocent person to murdered.
Hahaha "innocent". Ever had life saving medicine or treatment for you or a loved one denied by the insurance company? You will, one day. And that's not me wishing you ill, that's just how wide spread and devastating this issue is. Inevitably it will happen to you. Maybe you won't think these people are so innocent then.
i think I see where the confusion is coming from. Brian the Billionaire was not innocent, and in fact as CEO had an active hand in implementing company policies to deny people healthcare and leech money from the sick and infirm. he absolutely, 100%, without a doubt deserved to die, and in my opinion, he got off relatively lightly, all things considered. two or three bullets is incredibly merciful compared to rotting in a hospital while your insurance denies your coverage and drains your bank account.
He absolutely without a doubt did NOT deserve to be murdered.
What did he deserve, then?
A life full of torture and despair.
People can boycott the company. People can organize protests. People can use other healthcare companies. People can lobby to setup other types of healthcare systems.
Murdering someone because you don't like them isn't the answer.
Of course not, but how do you get him in jail then?
Who said he needs to be in jail?
Lmfao stop trolling dawg, theres literally no way you actually believe this. Are you a paid shill, from a different country, or just seeking to rile people up?
Not deserving of being murdered.
So if I mug three people, scam other five, misplace three livers to be transplanted to children, and share my Netflix password, I'm innocent.
Excellent! I'll let the judge know your opinion on those matters when I'm asked.
Dead CEOs is a moral good
That's an evil way of thinking.
Nope it is a great, correct, and good way of thinking. These are thieves and murderers and they rarely receive justice.
Someone could say that you deserve to be murdered. Just because someone says that doesn't mean it should happen.
Many people do say that I deserve to be murdered, actually. The cool part is that I am right and they are wrong.
Guess I'm evil then... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Eating the rich isn't evil
Believing people aren't human just because they have money is evil.
Assuming calling them evil means that they're not human is presumptive.
Humans can be evil.
you have more respect for literal farm animals. ergo you do not see him as human.
I didn't even express an opinion. You reply to the wrong person?
Escusé moi, nothing says all of humanity has to be on a contiguous spectrum when it comes to respect.
For one, farm animals do you no evil, and you don't owe them any authority, so they "start" with a higher default respect than what some humans can ever earn with their actions.
It ain't because of the money, it's because their greed is killing everybody and everything. And I never said anything about them being not human.
Those poor rich people have to deal with so much hatred and discrimination😢
That's why I'm personally volunteering to take their money so they can no longer be rich and subject to such hate. I may be hated instead, but I'm willing to bear that cross and take up the Rich Man's Burden. Some may call me a hero, but I ask for nothing in return, no praise, no monuments in my honor. The only thing I ask for is to take over the burden of owning a mountain of unearned wealth.
The people in the comments. It's unbelievable.
Its easy, just pay the normies to like you.
They don't, that's why they left that comment
There's lots of people on this thread (and in the Internet) who are showing how evil they are by condoning this murder.
Whats your stance on state sanctioned murder? Overseas murder? Illegal, out of season murder of animals?
Yet murder of the poor is ok with you 🤦
No one is murdering the poor.
(Except other poor people with guns and drugs. Or themselves.)
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I could almost applaud you for some kind of "holier than thou" morality you seem to be trying to project about the UHC CEO murder. Unfortunately your comments expose that you're just a middle-upper class cheerleader who stigmatizes the poor (as proclaimed from above, "No one is murdering the poor. - Except other poor people with guns and drugs. Or themselves" jesus I can't believe you actually commented that).
Poverty is a major public health crisis. Let’s treat it like one.
Why the Poor Die Young
5 Ways Being Poor is a Crime
Poverty Is Deadly
The Cost of Being Poor: Why It Costs So Much to Be Poor in America
Are you completely unaware of the financial and economical situation going on in America? The rising cost of Healthcare, Education, and housing/life expenses? You're honestly coming off as a shill to everyone, maybe planning on a future political run so have to keep your comments "politically moral" (i.e. make sure the higher up's approve of your message)? Don't want to turn into another Mark Robinson I suppose.
If you have some coherent messaging or reasoning I would love to hear it. So far I'm assuming you hate the poor and blame everyone for their life situations, there are no outside factors that determines someones struggles in life but themselves? The poor die by their own hands or those close to them, no one in a position of power has done anything to cause them problems?
Holy shit this is the greatest comment I have ever seen on a public forum. Does lemmy have a bestof community?
There's a lot of people in this world who make bad choices like using drugs, alcohol, smoking, eating food that's bad for them, etc. Someone doesn't have to be poor to make those decisions. But those who don't have a lot of money, choosing alcohol over food -- then complain about not having enough food -- that's on them.
They don't deserve to be gunned down in cold blood and neither does someone with money.
Over 100 Americans have died from lack of access to insulin since you left this comment
https://sh.itjust.works/comment/15413281
🤣
Of course not. We're condemning the evil and praising a hero. Heroes kill monsters, ya know.
I'll reword it for you: First down...
All of Lemmy: "Of course I would commit murder, why do you ask?"
Admittedly god works in mysterious ways and it seems god had enough of this guy
It's not ALL of Lemmy. There's still moral people on here like myself.
God doesn't exist so that's not an argument.
So what's next? Little Billy doesn't like the kid in his class who's stealing people's lunch money, so he guns him down and now that's okay?
Really puts me in the Christmas spirit
Thank you for the giggle kind stranger.
Dude murdered countless with the stroke of a pen. What was that one song they sing in Chicago?
🎶 He had it comin' 🎶
🎵 He only had himself to blame 🎵
Funniest thing since Titan submersible.
That was just fate
I'm not sure going around shooting people is quite as ironic
Funny? No.
A good start? You betcha.
Correct. It's absolutely hilarious.
Do it again please! I almost got the joke. Just need to be sure!
I don't think it's funny, more like it feels good to see an atom of justice done for once. One murder changes nothing, it has no value as far as changing the system, but the symbolic value is through the roof.
Here's the thing: even if we change the healthcare system tomorrow, they get to keep their billions. We can change the system, but there will be no justice because one of the principles of our legal system is that justice isn't retroactive. So seeing one of the guilty parties killed is an example of retribution that is very rare and exhilarating.
Just not funny per se
There have been plenty of cases in history where this didn't hold.
King Charles I of England. King Louis XVI of France (not to mention the rest of his far-less-culpable family). Many prominent Nazis post-WWII. When society collectively decides that someone's actions were heinous enough and caused enough harm, at a certain point a law can be created and applied retroactively, often on the grounds that there was a clear violation of some greater principle that should be self-evident.
I like how you missed the "our legal system" when giving examples entirely outside the legal system in which this killing took place.
Umm, no, not really? King Louis maybe, but the Common Law system used across most former UK colonies traces a line back to before King Charles' execution, and the Nuremberg Trials were set up by the Allies (which prominently includes the US and UK) and form an important basis of 21st century international law.
Yeah, it’s heartwarming
Just as a comment, not a suggestion: a society that squeezes its people has to either repress them hard, or at some point expect it to start boiling over. The mob lynching the leaders is what happens once the mob gets desperate enough and are not heard.
And said repression often is one of the last straws before the people reach boiling point. :)
Is anyone, not virtue signalling, truly upset by this? It looks like a good, but small beginning of a purge long overdue.
Upset? No. More like a little uncomfortable. Partly because I'm an idealist who always hopes for the best and most moral and peaceful solutions. Partly because it makes me uncomfortable how little I am angered by this. Sure I absolutely do not want proles to go and kill the bourgeoisie... but I guess it's not... I don't feel the need to condemn this. Sometimes things are just... shrug
But it's really just a little uncomfortable, like a sock not quite fitting my foot.
I am far FAR more uncomfortable with someone calling this the good but small beginning of an overdue purge.
Sometimes violence is the right answer. I'm comfortable with this.
The quotes are from his estranged wife. So he hasn't held together a marriage.
I mean how ya gonna marry someone when you know every time you have to go to the hospital theres a 32% chance your husband allows you to just die so he can save 1000$
Uh that one life is yours
Upset?
Yeah, a little. Not that he was killed, only that it was a pointless gesture that wasted an opportunity.
Pointless? Nah, the bourgeois probably needed a reminder of what can happen if they keep shafting people. Recon it won't be long until the greens starts to remind them too that the climate clock still ticks.
That only works if it's the first example.
Call every crime tipline and report the person responsible for this death and many others - That person's name was Brian Thompson.
Still reminds me of the time they sent out a sketch of the uni bomber and musician/professional jokester Weird Al did this
Not just a CEO but a shit human.
"You get what you fuckin' deserve."
I feel for his family and loved ones. I’m not celebrating his death. I’m just not surprised by it.
On a personal level, yeah it's got to be a shock. On the other hand they profited off of the suffering of others. My empathy is limited.
Right. The situation could directly correlate. The guy responsible for limiting access to physical and mental healthcare for millions was shot and killed in a premeditated murder. He’s fucking with millions of physically and mentally ill people. Granted, this is the most extreme repercussion for his actions, but it’s not like he’s some random CEO.
He didn't suffer as much as the pain he's inflicted upon others. He also didn't bankrupt his family in the process.
I can't say this is the way I want society to run ..... but quite frankly I think we're all sick of pretending that killing someone with a pen is any different than killing someone with a gun.
Preach
Limited empathy is totally fine. Cheering for assassinations is a different thing ( not saying you did).
I wish the systems this dude profited from were changed. This guy will just be replaced, and the next one will have a security detail ($$$)
I dunno, I think this might really rattle a few people. It's one thing to talk about social consequences like not being invited to garden parties or whatever, another entirely to be potentially killed.
I hope it does.
I doubt they lost any sleep knowing their dad killed thousands by denying them coverage. Why would i lose sleep for them? Hell, they are probably looking at a juicy life insurance payout, which is more than any of us will get when United kills our loved ones.
I don't know but mabe his life insurance will deny it, given he had the pre-condition of being a shitbag CEO.
They should be fair to him, and roll percentile dice. If it rolls below a 33, the claim gets denied. You know, like UHC does with their "customers"
It might get denied due to it being terrorism
I'm celebrating it.
As cruel as it is, I can't help but make the joke
Thoughts and prayers.
God was like: This guy has done enough
Are they going to donate all of his ill-gotten gains to a healthcare charity?
Well put.
I feel for the people who loved him. Not convinced he loved anyone but himself though
I feel bad for his kids, seeing the country laugh and cheer at their father's death.
He still earned it, though. Hopefully this inspires them not to follow in his footsteps.
Yeah, well, maybe they'll learn something from it and not go on to be horrible people themselves.
I would be very scared to be the kid of a guy who was assassinated. You know they are the next target.
There's no reason to think that his children would be targeted.
There is ever reason to assume the kids would not be Targeted? Killing one person may not satisfy everyone.
If the gunman was angry about healthcare, there is absolutely no reason that he would go for the children after killing the father.
There's no logic to it.
There is no logic to rage
I suspect you are looking at this from the wrong direction. But we'll see.
It gives me hope that maybe the distant future doesn't include a privileged class using the rest of us as free labor, fuel, and food...
I work in the insurance industry (though not directly for an insurance company) and while it's a small sample size, employees there range from apathetic to rolling their eyes at the "poor CEO needing money for his funeral"
You can't spell murder without laughter.
You're thinking manslaughter
LMAO
Yes.
The problem is that now the rest of them will fortress up making it much harder.
But this will cost them. Make it so expensive that they won't gain anything.
That's 50/50. At some point a guard will say it's not worth it.
I really wondering if the detectives in charge of the investigation are bring their A-game or if maybe they have a loved one who was denied coverage.
It's not funny it's 🥾⏳
Boot time?
Say it like a Canadian. It's aboot time.
Ahhhhhhhh I see
Its all his counterparts at the other insurance scams that I'm laughing at. Suddenly they are considering their actions have consequences they can't control with more lawyers.
This is the thing.
While I doubt it'll have any actual difference being seen by anyone anywhere, if this killing were followed up by a few more, or even a dozen more in short order, you would see change.
Most of it not the kind we'd hope for (tightened security, lockdown corridors for high profile individuals, even less access and interface with these people, etc....not concessions to decency, honesty, civility, humanity, etc.) but you bet your ass that it'd be living rent free in the back of every CEO and billionaire on the planet for a long time.
I didn't impart the idea that it would change things. Just that for once those horrible people have felt the truth. The truth is that no one is safe even if someone isn't out to get them. Now they are certain that someone is out to get them. It won't make them better people. Pretty much the opposite.
This can be the start of our revolution
🍽🍽🍽🍽🍽🍽
My theory is that it's just that episode of Its Always Sunny from the new season. Dennis is placed on a customer service loop and eventually gets so frustrated with robot receptionists, scripted tier 1 support, and a system designed to waste our time and pit us against each other, that he tracks down the CEO of the car company at his beach house and rips his heart out of his chest and eats it.
So maybe someone should try that next time?
Yeah well Brian can get fucked.
Not anymore he can't.
Well not....in a traditional sense...
You just have to exhume his worthless corpse first.
Do I think it’s funny?
No, it’s just… interesting:
Hey look, karma
Hi-larious
The lack of the joker's line disturbs me.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=OtxH414tGkA That's one.
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The joker is the worst one to use here regardless of the universe you use. In that particular universe he's more akin to the weird fucking red pill/mra movement than an anti capitalist since he was loosely based on Bernie geatz. It's why the maga sphere went crazy for what was a series of terrible movies that they entirely miss the point of.
The core message of that movie was anti capitalist, with added messaging on the effects of a deteriorating quality of life/mental health system.
I think the message is that there's a thin line between the hero and the villain. The villain feels the same anger and desire for justice we all do. Just add a bit of delusion, and you can turn Gandhi into Hitler, or Batman into the Joker.
It's really not though, it's about modern moral failings and their outcomes that happen to have economic effects and notably none of the issues persued in the movie are exclusive to capitalist models.
The Batman universe is to some degree anti capitalist but the protagonist being one of the richest people in the planet who cannonically got that money by theft, violence and arms dealing kinda cancels that out.
You can read what you want into it but it specifically was not anti capitalist. It's outright glorification of the Bernie geatz model, ie. A crybaby lower middle class white man who goes bat shit on the subway and blames literally everyone else but himself.
Similarly Bernie geatz was very much a capitalist.
Friend, I'm not gonna slam you because it's clear your intentions are right, but you are misunderstanding the movie big time. I want you to watch it again and pay extra attention to the subway scene and who those people in the scene were.
I think you're misunderstanding the movie friend and none of this was intended as a "slam" so I'm not sure why you would bring that up anyway.
I have no intention of rewatching either of those dumpster fires. I do love it that the right sees the Bernie goetz vigilante shit and goes "oh shit that's the point! We gotta take these probably into our own hands!" And you get white nationalist mass shooters that reference the joker. The left goes "Oh shit this movie delves into the moral failings of a deeply sick modern society and also how money is evil... It must be anti capitalist!" It's just not, it's a case study on the moral failings of society through the eyes of the mentally ill, the fact you see it as anti capitalist is your mental illness and that's the point of the movie.