RFK Jr wants to promote raw milk as HHS secretary – experts say it’s dangerous
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Let's see here, RFK wants to ban vaccines and promote raw milk.
There is currently a bird flu epidemic in dairy cattle from bird droppings getting into the feed.
Consuming raw milk is one of the few ways humans can become infected with bird flu.
I'm sure this will be fine and the virus won't mutate to allow for human to human transfer, it if it does luckily it only has a 56% mortality rate compared to the Covid morality rate of ~4% during its peak.
RFK is secretly a flu virus wearing a human suit.
[preface and disclaimer: I’m remembering off the top of my head something I read over 30 years ago, details may not be exactly correct]
Not sure whether you remember the chapter of Sideways Stories from Wayside School, by Louis Sachar, in which there was a student who nobody liked, who was a real asshole and wore a stinky raincoat. The kids kept trying to take off his raincoat, but underneath was another, stinkier raincoat, just layers and layers of progressively stinky raincoats, and with every raincoat removed, the kid just became a bigger asshole and his laugh louder and more high-pitched.
At the very end, he turned out to be a dead rat in a pile of stinky raincoats.
That’s what the whole administration is shaping up to be. Except we knew this was coming and allowed it to happen, so I guess that, ultimately, we are the dead rat.
What a crazy story lol. I've never heard of that story until now.
The plot twist is that the worm in his brain didnt die, its pulling the strings to keep him going and further the global parasite agenda
In the US, right now, the dairy farms where they let the cats drink raw milk saw half their cats die.
This is an actual thing.
Edit based on comments below: The context of this thread is concerning hi path AI. I should have been more clear. I am referring to dairy farms where the cows have hi path AI and the cats drink raw milk.
However it is impossible to tell if your raw milk is infected with hi path AI, so to the readers of this who are really in to drinking raw milk, I wish you luck.
You're sort of right ( based on the article I think you read about) The cats drank bird flu contaminated raw milk which led to them dying. For that reason, raw milk is dangerous to humans because pasteurized milk would
n't be as dangerous.have reduced the chances of the bird flu, and other illnesses, from people that drink it. https://arstechnica.com/science/2024/04/concerning-spread-of-bird-flu-from-cows-to-cats-suspected-in-texas/*Edited
I am more than a little confused.
According to your article
That is pretty much exactly what I said
I learned about this at a CBRNE conference from people familiar with the situation.
Yeah, that's exactly what you said. He also said raw milk is dangerous to humans because pasteurized milk is safer for humans (??). I think he's drunk or just very dumb. Either way, just ignore him.
You're right my original statement could have been worded better. I've edited it, and responded to the other user with some clarifications. https://sh.itjust.works/post/28117434/15082665
Sure I'll clarify. The implication from your statement is that raw milk can kill half of cats very frequently, which is seemingly untrue. What seems to be the situation is that raw milk from cows infected with the bird flu can lead to a 50% fatality rate for cats that drink it. So if cats consume raw milk, will there be a near 50% fatality rate? Not necessarily, but it seems like that would be the case if the cows in question are infected with the bird flu (based on articles).
The reason why I want to differentiate between what you said, and the article is I can imagine someone saying: "nearly half of cats die drinking raw milk!" to which a skeptic may find online people talking about cats not dying at such a high rate from drinking raw milk, leaving out the fact that the bird flu infected cows is the issue. This can dissuade skeptics from believing the reality that raw milk increases the chances of illness from the bird flu, as well as other sicknesses.
If I'm wrong about the fact that nearly 50% of cats are dying, all the time, from raw milk, feel free to provide an article so i can educate myself.
Thanks. The context of this thread is concerning hi path AI. I should have been more clear. I am referring to dairy farms where the cows have hi path AI and the cats drink raw milk.
However it is impossible to tell if your raw milk is infected with hi path AI, so to the readers of this who are really in to drinking raw milk, I wish you luck.
On the plus side the high mortality rate should lower the spread.
True, but on the minus side, dumb people actively seeking out the infected milk would artificially increase the instances and thus the spread.
But on the plus side, dumb people actively infect themselves and get removed from the gene pool.
But on the minus side, other people don't have the choice to completely avoid those dumb people and thus minimize their risk of infection.
If they did, covid wouldn't have been a tenth as bad as it was/is.
I’m sorry I only see benefits here.
That's because you're overlooking the fact that stupid people mingle with other people whether they want to or not.
If you don't have at least a handful of truly idiotic coworkers and neighbors, you're probably a self-employed hermit..
I have idiotic coworkers but I also work from home so my exposure in minimal.
You still interact with other people in person, and one or more of them interacts with the public.
If you learned nothing else from CoViD-19 I would hope you at least learned that you are only a couple degrees of separation from a hotbed of infection at most.
I don't care. Do you?
They voted for this, they can deal with the consequences.
Normally I’d say that I don’t want this to happen to a bunch of people who don’t deserve it, but drinking raw milk is preventable and not contagious, and therefore entirely self-contained, right? So yeah, sow those seeds, guys, I’m totally owned.
You might misunderstand. The bird droppings did not accidentally get into the cow feed. Humans put it there intentionally to save money. Just search for "poultry litter" or "broiler litter" and "cattle feed" if you don't believe me. The people who came up with this idea are actually proud of it.
trump's appointments are in the style "Who is the worst person i know for the job that lives inside my colon?"
if Pablo Escobar was still alive, he'd probably have been appointed head of the DEA
He's Colombian, that won't fly for Trump
El chapo is a better candidate
the guy responsible for the death of 83 Samoans has more health advice …
Oh god he’s gonna kill someone
He's already killed a lot of people.
https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2024/07/how-rfk-jr-falsely-denied-his-connection-to-a-deadly-measles-outbreak-in-samoa/
He also likely killed some people with his anti COVID vaccine rhetoric back in 2020.
Don't worry, the worms will protect your brain..
Then why was everyone eating horse dewormer during the pandemic?
Well isn't that the question of the decade?..
Again
Try listening to the Behind The Bastards podcast about this guy if you can spare the time.
He is messed up far more than you think.
Links:
Spotify
iHeart
YouTube
And to be clear, it's just a regular podcast so listen to it with any app you want. "Wherever you get your podcasts" and all of that.
Thank you.
I think everyone is making way too much out of this. What could possibly go wr-
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/collapse-of-aztec-society-linked-to-catastrophic-salmonella-outbreak/
Oh.
Found an article talking about this that’s not locked behind a paywall
Weird, I didn't get a paywall with the first one.
I didn't either.
Nor did I.
Raw milk is dangerous. When I was growing up people would get sick all the time from raw milk it gets contaminated all the time.
We can’t even manage to keep listeria out of our waffles and deli meats snd have e coli onions but sure, raw milk will be no problem.
I'm fairly certain, they just all got together to make a list of all the stupid things they could do to own the libs.
The neat thing about this one, is that It only hurts the people that are going to follow him. The people who didn't vote for that side know better.
You would hope so, but there’s just as many ‘crunchy’ people on the left as there are in the right.
She is VERY fortunate that she didn't get much sicker!
Anarchists are not known for acknowledging the benefits of government regulation.
Get ready, there's going to be a whole lot of peeling off the warning labels.
I wonder, well they outright outlaw vaccines, or they just be privatized only...
RFK's version of the conspiracy is that vaccines are a scam inflicted by private pharma. Given his druthers, he would probably outlaw not just vaccines, but all corporation-produced medicine.
If the state were to fund it adequately... I find little flaw with it.
I suspect he's just preparing to make the pharmaceutical lobby pay their dues.
Mfw the lefty "natural" bullshit peddled by health nuts gets tacit approval from my conservative parents trying to eat "traditionally" aka raw everything.
Most of those people are now all in for Trump. I'm not even sure I'd call them "left" in the way that people mean anyway, even before they became Trump supporters.
Unfortunately, vaccines aren't all 100% protective. And there are people who get the disease even though they were vaccinated. That means that the idiots who don't get vaccinated can spread the virus to people who wouldn't have gotten sick otherwise. Which of course doesn't mean that vaccination is bad, only that it is not perfectly protective. For example, I have had all the Covid vaccinations up to the day I got Covid. I only knew I had Covid because my wife, who was one booster behind me, got sick with Covid so even though I felt fine, I tested and saw that I also had Covid. But the vaccine kept me from getting sick.
This is the dumbest shit I swear to god. Fuck this timeline already.
Dude is gonna get ppl killed...raw milk....jesus
Unless he also outlaws pasteurized milk, I'll have 0 sympathy for any adults that die drinking raw milk. This country seems to be in dire need of a toxic cleansing. I'm sad COVID didn't do the job better.
Dude, you have to be careful these days. Reading labels like a hawk.
National pharmacy chains like CVS and Walgreens stock homeopathic and naturopathic remedies on the same shelves as the actual medicine (or the bullshit they tell us is as good as pseudoephedrine. Fuck you, you know it's not). Most of it is barely labeled as such.
If we are hopeful, that's what RFK should go after in fact. Homeopathy.
But, judging from where he starts, skoleotherapy, as in worm treatment, is the new fashion for you.
I wanna play Plague Inc again.
While I get it and I wish people were more informed it's because education has been dismantled on purpose. No one deserves do die, especially from the actions of others directly or indirectly. We really need to fight for better education standards and not stop, not go and dismantle the department of education...
The only thing covid did was fhinder education with online classes and such. This is the year that the children born (19/20) right at the start of the pandemic are going to kinder they need all the support they can get...
lets be better and do better, you can't fight fire with fire...
My (night school) education, personally, improved quite a lot with COVID. Yep, it was disrupted. But instead of spending two hours in transport I'd be at my desk. Instead of just sitting in a boring depressing auditory with my ADHD, ASD and possibly PTSD, I was at my desk with tea and my laptop and maybe some food and my dog nearby.
Never heard of a fire break, eh?
Be stirring as the time; be fire with fire; Threaten the threatener and outface the brow Of bragging horror
Shakespeare
You haven't really tasted milk until you've sucked it right out a cow and finally we'll have a government that makes sure that Americans know that taste too.
If I and my friends and family could be certain of getting immunized against the inevitable H5N1 pandemic, this wouldn't bother me so much. But RFK jr. will combat the flu with honey and whole grains and the death toll will make Covid look like a cold. Thinning the herd. Maybe we'll get lucky and RFK jr & Trump and his true believers will get it first.
Hilariously, they'll be culling their own herd, so to speak. You just know the MAGAts will never wear masks again, even to save their own lives.
Only if there's things like vaccines for the rest of us, which we only got when we did due to the government.
Fair point. It's going to be an absolute shitshow. If worm brain and felon fuckrat eviscerate the FDA, I don't even know vaccines would continue to exist in the US.
Certainly, pharmaceuticals have a vested interest in continuing to produce them. Best case, they defer to regulatory standards from other nations and the FDA becomes a rubber stamp agency. Worst case, they're allowed to peddle dangerous products without proper trialing.
The biotech industry is already extremely nervous: https://www.axios.com/2024/11/15/rfk-jr-uncertainty-biotech-startups
They don't like this at all, with the hope being RFK just focuses on other stuff.
Or... it could make investor money fly away and collapse the US biotech industry. Great.
How do you fail to ask yourself why it was pasteurized in the first place?
This is a situation where we let Darwinism take it's course. The people who are stupid enough to listen to this are going to drink it, get sick, and then wonder what happened. Maybe I'm more negative than usual, but fuck em. Let them fuck themselves.
Yeah but before they pass, they're gonna drain money from the failing health care system, which hurts everyone more than we are
I look forward to the establishment of c/HermanCainAward
Nah man, this has been a long time coming. I agree: fuck all of them.
Evolution in action.
Yeah but we're talking about stupid people. In their brains they're probably convinced that milk is not heat treated to kill pathogens but because of government population control or something.
Today's Republican Party didn't get into their position of awesome power by listening to experts....
"I think, the people of this country have had of experts" - Michael Gove, (during UK brexit campaign)
With any luck MAGAts will self-select in removing themselves like they did during COVID.
Trump wants the population to be closer to 100 million. He said that before the start of one of his press conferences to a journalist ... something to the effect that "we could use 2/3 less of all of you."
He is willing to kill off a lot of us to make his life easier. The USA elected a right wing Pol Pot.
You'll work harder with a gun in your back,
For a bowl of rice a day,
Slave for soldiers til you starve,
Then your head is skewered on a stake
Now you can go where people are one
Now you can go where they get things done
What you need, my son
What you need, my son
Is a holiday in the USA
And if you kill off brown people, you solve their demographic "issue" (it's not actually an issue, they're just racists). Two birds with one stone.
Go ahead. Let your anti science cultists get themselves sick. I don't fucking care anymore.
It feels like we're living in the middle of one of those cultist documentaries, where 29 years from now the stupid fucks that survive are going to be on camera going "I know it sounds weird, but it was really compelling at the time". Except this cult doesn't even have fun drug fueled orgies.
Kind want to find a fun drug fueled orgy cult and disappear for about 4 years
Gatez was involved in drug fueled child prostitution, wasn't he?
I've seen a documentary about the Jan 6th timeline and one insurrectionist said this in an interview. He couldn't think anymore and everything about it seemed like the best thing since the invention of toast. He allegedly saw his errors in hindsight. I'm more than convinced he is back in the cult. Can't fix stupid.
He's going to be in a position where he may actually be able to ban pasteurized milk, vaccines, and more.
This is the most dangerous political appointment in US history.
Drugs may be bad for one's health, but orgies are good. So yes please. I'll be the cult leader with prima noctae right.
Newspapers need to just call RFK jr what he is - a child killer. Forget about this raw milk stuff and lay out the direct harm he has caused including deaths of babies from his vaccine misinformation.
Raw milk is totally safe....if the cow is totally healthy and if there aren't pathogens floating around the cow.
I mean, my friend next door used to drink off the cows's teats. His Mom would scold him for it, but he did it to show off. We used to milk their three "city cows". Literally the cows would sleep in their garage and then walk to pasture on an every day basis. They would get milked every morning and we would walk to their house and buy a couple of liters from them. Sometimes cheese or bulgaros yogurt.
Everyone loved the cows. They smelled like cows but you could safely pet them and not expect feces on your hands.
The cows we get milk from are all rolling around in feces in confined space and they eat dry moldy feed. Like that stuff is total animal abuse and prone to end up giving someone a cow Bourne disease of some kind.
My neighbors also had pigs and we had pigs. That is why we never ate pig... cows are clean compared to pigs. Pigs will eat bugs smeared in pig feces. That is not normal really because pigs in the wild, although dirty, do not just swim in their feces like captive pigs do. If you ever want to go vegan for whatever reason, visit a captive pig farm. Learn that smell....then go to the butcher shop's trash bin and learn that smell...then realize that when you get your meat in your fridge, the death smell is what you're smelling. Makes me wanna puke 🤮 just thinking about it. And if your neighbors ever killed a pig, you would know it. Pigs don't go down easy. That's one positive thing I can definitely say about pigs. They know you're gonna kill them and they scream like anyone would....as in a person. It churns you inside out hearing that scream and then when it stops you know it happened. Pigs don't go down quietly.
Anyway don't eat animals, but if you're gonna eat milk or dairy, make sure it's pasteurized! Any well understood retarded person like myself could agree 💯👍.
Best copy pasta I’ve seen in a while
Thanks, I do my best with dairy.
Yeah the state of factory dairy's... You want that shit pasteurized. Feces everywhere. Cows have all kinds of diseases. Filthy environment. It all gets killed or deactivated by pasturing.
He signed a law against very specific animal torture of pets (don't look it up) in his first term. He also signed a very specific law for increasing the speed of pig slaughter lines IIRC. So no. Livestock animals will be even more fucked (if that's even possible in the US) as he is in the hands of big animal ag. He loves his farmers in Iowa as he said recently. Now is the best time to look up how to go vegan. Or the worst considering the drop in availability of alternative meat products that's about to come. Remember if you don't pay for it animal ag has to consider their practices. A big producer of meat products in Germany (Rügenwalder)has a lot of its productline switched to plant based in the last years because of the demand.
I can't imagine it's going to be any better. I'm not sure I even find US/Can doing enough as is.
When we have a disease like bird flu roll through our herds, it seems like we just throw up our hands and say "oh well pasturing deactivates it"
But you still have a sick cow, even if they aren't obviously symptomatic. They will produce less, treatments for other stuff will be less effective, they will be less healthy. And at the scale of most farms, all that has an effect. It just gradually makes things harder for farmers.
Same friend got in trouble for shooting milk from the cow onto incoming city traffic in front of his house. All this as pre-teen kids ofcourse. You wouldn't find a self respecting adult.....yes you probably would.
Yeah, we'll just make sure that the cows are healthy using the USDA's regulatory capabilities. After Trump fires all of the career experts and replaces them with sycophants. What could go wrong.
Yup. Plus ebola is definitely not airborne if you walk slowly 6 feet behind everyone else.
Mmmmm bacon....
I just hope they have the raw milk distribution set up to go live nationwide at the same time. I want all the people excited for this to get it, and enjoy it for as long as possible before the news gets to them.
Unpasteurised milk drank at cow temperature ‘can’ be fine - depending on the cow, milker and drinker. It’s ludicrous to even suggest it could be safely distributed nationally in the US. He’s an absolute lunatic - and so is anyone who buys it.
At first I thought this might be fine because the idiots are doing it to themselves. Then I remembered many of the idiots also are parents.
I know. It’s, potentially, an absolute tragedy. These (adult) people are so confident / smug in avoiding the “woke virus” that they seem to have forgotten that it’s the real viruses and pathogens that take us out. In droves. Throughout history. Again and again.
my parents raised us drinking raw milk from a farm down the road. I'm so glad nothing bad happened to me.
At the moment farm sales are OK in all states.
Seems like obtaining raw milk in a safe environment isn't a problem.
By “farm sales” do you mean from a small herd kept by an actual farmer who is geographically close to the purchaser; as opposed to buying from either an industrial creamery and/or factory farm?
Milk, by its very nature, has some risk involved in its consumption… but from udder to mouth it’s not exactly akin to Russian roulette / certain death as some are claiming.
By experts, do they mean anyone that paid attention to science and/or history classes in any developed country?
In 2025, how many children will die from raw milk?
That doesn't matter. What matters is that they get their way. We have to just sit on our hands and let them hurt enough people to make MAGAs switch allegiances. Or just let them keep killing people until there aren't enough functional MAGAs left to make any meaningful opposition.
There is no point to argue with them. Just let them do it.
You certainly may drink raw milk if you like, but it may always come with a nasty risk. Plus it doesn’t keep as well, so if it isn’t stored perfectly, you might have a 12 dollar gallon of foul white liquid.
Alex Jones will now be replaced by this idiot fuckwad. Buckle up for the crazy!
Alex Jones could only dream of having this kind of power.
With how the cabinet appointments have been going, he'll probably get a position soon enough.
I wouldn't be shocked. Honestly, I'm only surprised none of them have been fictional people yet.
Where’s our homie Hannibal Lecter at?
He was too busy to appear for a comment because he was in the middle of dinner.
It's such a shame that so many of his health propositions have small bits of truth associated with them, yet because he lacks the true in depth look at a given topic he falls short of an overall good view. Listening to him talk about scientific research on Rogan was fucking excruciating.
Raw milk and raw dogging porn stars
Politician life
They are gonna make ignoring the government main stream.
That would be a noble endeavor.
Then just get rid of them. Simple.
I drank raw milk visiting my in-laws farm. Not my favorite, but their are some risks.
The guy with brain parasites wants us to drink milk that gives us intestinal parasites
God bless the USA
The prime directive for a parasite...for most all life, really...is to reproduce.
I'm starting to think the worms are in control and this is peak-parasite behavior.
If you dunk chunks of raw bear in it like an Oreo, you sure can!
RFK Jr. is just a flesh gundam being piloted by the worm.
We’re living in a Doctor Who episode.
Can You get brain worms from milk?
We are probably going to find out.
Yep that too, probably why I suffered from the Green Apple Splatter a few times.
There is a difference doing it on the farm where it's only up to some hours old and from the shop where god knows how long it was sitting somewhere without refrigeration.
I wanna say yay Darwin will save the day but I'm too afraid of intentional sabotage on pasteurized milk.
Luckily it is super easy to not drink milk at all if you are not a baby cow
Mai brotien!
It's a good day to drink oat milk.
Lol you know what would be 5d chess to get people to become vegan by Sabotaging all the food production standards to 18th century level.
Vegans in the US just have to worry about E.coli contamination
Well I imagine non-vegans too. Though I didn't consider the vegees having bad water or such. So good point.
FML. Really going to have to get a green house and well water.
We should stop posting about Trump and his group of extraordinary morons.
The news cycle thrives on Trump, as every decision he makes manages to anger half the population, while the other half cheers him on simply to annoy liberals and progressives. This dynamic generates more clicks and ad revenue for news outlets, allowing Trump to continue making foolish decisions just to remain in the spotlight.
The only way to change this is to stop giving him space in the news.
The fact that will even entertain this and other anti-scientific consensus bullshit in the conversation is the poison in the well.
Dumb af is what it is.
It's also stupid expensive.
The avocado toast of the right, except dangerous!
It's the brain parasite that lives in raw milk saying that.
Chk! I will not be ghaik!
What I'm reading is that they want to foster the greatest source of bankruptcies in the US, healthcare costs, while lowering the living standards to turn the US into a "third world shithole country". For added irony, while also having an oligarch who had to migrate away from his home country for contributing to do the same in their birth country and not being able to reap what they sowed, just to end up doing the same in their new country.
At least it isn't a contagion no? Like it's only the ones who drink it raw who are at risk. If so, have at it conservatives, drink all the bleach and raw milk you want
Depends on how the bird flu feels about that...
Nope it's the worst time in history to advise raw milk. Millions of wild life birds and livestock is dying around the world right now because of H5N1. Human cases (allegedly mild) are ramping up already although they don't know/say if they are human to human transmissions. IIRC the CDC found viral material in raw milk and strongly advised to only drink pasteurized mild.
And so the dumbfuckery begins. Long as its just recommendations he can continue to be the clown of the court
looks like Lysteria is back on the menu bois also Louis Pasteur rolling in his grave rn
The People's CDC, much like the factory, must grow.
https://peoplescdc.org/
WTF is going on in this thread? Are milkies the new tankies?
Cool, I might make cheese. When did they start carrying this!?
It's delicious! Give you diarrhea sometimes though.
Maybe I’m remembering wrong, but wasn’t there a Portlandia sketch about why raw milk is bad?
This?
Well, that does mention it but not that one. Two people try to sell the milk.
I believe you can get brain worms from raw milk.
Well, as long as only their terminally stupid follow these ideas, well, let them.
Let's get back to the good old days from the 1700 where we would all die of dysentery!
Can we please make a rule in that stupid US constitution that says that claims from politicians have to be supported by actual peer reviewed scientific evidence before they can utter said claim?
It would make the difference of light and day already
Wait, so Trump was actually serious about this, and not just baiting him for election support? Like, seriously?
2028 just got easier
You are talking as if the US is ever going to hold elections again.
Then it will be easier to start a new country. Either way trump's America wont survive this.
New countries typically don't start without a significant percentage of their population dying in conflict. Certainly a place that has as many guns as the US does not have a good chance for a peaceful transition.
Not that I actually believe a new country is even remotely possible. There will be decades if not centuries of decline.
I say let him do it. Let him fuck around for a month. Those laws were written in blood for a goddamn reason.
Or we could not have a massive salmonella epidemic in the U.S.
It seems like your country needs to learn a hard history lesson or two. Give it a try.
It seems like hoping for millions of children and infants to die is a really ghoulish thing to do. You apparently already gave it a try.
Yes, a month will kill MILLIONS and MILLIONS of children. And I gave it a try in my backyard, yes. You're clearly on top of things.
A month of salmonella epidemic could, indeed, kill millions of children within a month. It can also continue long after that month is over even if the person who caused the damage is out of power.
But let's say we're just talking about 5 children. That's still ghoulish. I'm not sure why you're not understanding that.
Or do you think diseases spread by raw milk are aware of who they're infecting and what age they are and know when to back off?
Ok, let's be realistic: only some dumbass company would try it and only some people would drink it and then a few would land in the hospital. There won't be millions dead even in your wildest wet dreams because distribution its is controlled and people would prepare for it. Besides, people don't usually pass on salmonellosis like airborne covid, and the mortality rate is way lower anyway.
Why does it gotta be children, though? I didn't think I'd see some peral clutching this early but here we are. lol Always with the damn children as if other people don't exist. I can't even begin to describe how hard I just rolled my eyes, I think I pulled several eye muscles reading that.
Not as ghoulish as all his other policies that would make actual millions suffer and thousands more die? Bet.
Idk you tell me, you're the one stuck with the Save the Children™ mentality.
(And, yes, I'm only humoring you because you think I'm serious. Good lord this site is unbearable sometimes with people like you who decide to ackshually obvious hyperbole and meaningless rhetoric. Sometimes it's just a throwaway comment that expresses some frustration and nothing more, goddamn. lol)
Why children? Because they have nothing to do with American politics since they have no say in the matter, but you want them to be part of the collective punishment anyway.
This should be obvious to you.
Also, "I'm not as much of a ghoul as they are" is not the defense of yourself that you think it is.
And I don't buy the "the horrible thing I just said was a joke" from you any more than I buy it when Trump makes the same claim.
I mean, I think people should be able to make an informed choice to drink raw milk if they want. In my state it’s straight up illegal.
Edit: so people can drink alcohol or smoke weed, but raw milk is a bridge too far?
It's illegal to drink it? Or is it illegal to sell it?
Illegal to sell. Which means you cannot drink it as you cannot obtain it without a cow of your own.
As always with these headlines, it's best to not fall for extremes and rage bait. Not all milk has to be homogenized. And if the supply is near, as in you can buy it from a small farm that has cows grazing, raw is fine.
Europe had this figured out forever. Not sure why you need brain worm guy to lay the smack down on stupid rules in North America.
Last time there was a surge in raw milk consumption tons of ppl got sick.
Where? From a bad source? Of course.
Again, I was drinking raw milk in European countryside all the time growing up.
Figure out inspections and local distribution, like they have them in vending machines in small towns. And then go from there.
Yeah, that isn't going to work in the States. Milk production here is big business. Just like all other industries, they are going to the cheapest route possible. And those beautiful vending machines you posted would be destroyed within a week.
Destroyed by who? What makes them not destroyed all across Europe?
Yes, the milk industry is a problem. Just like in Canada, the milk cartels are making it impossible for small farms to do business independently due to lobbying for laws that prevent competition from entering the market in a meaningful way.
None of the things you're showing here exist in the country the subject matter is about.
They don't exist, because the milk industry is captured by the agriculture industry. Same thing in Canada.
What's the point though? Just heat it up a bit and it's safe. The only argument for why you shouldn't do that is conspiracy nonsense.
If by "big" you mean "inflamed".
The term you're looking for is holy..
hole milk?
Dude's brain (RFK Jr.) literally has holes in it, a worm ate a chunk of his brain out.
This isn't even a joke, keep up with the news..
I've got some.. Nope! Not gonna finish that sentence! 😄
bigworm brainWe get it, you're vegan. We can tell by the smugness and the pretentious virtue signaling.
How is it virtue signalling when it prevents the deaths of many animals.
where are the animals it prevented from dying?
Breaking news: hunger is solved by people furiously typing at their keyboards.
You're right, tho. But what are we gonna do about the smugness?
Calling others who reduce animal suffering as smug is not the own you think it is.
It's not the message, it's the delivery.
The truth always stings.
We get it, you copied some Reddit comment a long time ago and that’s your default retort.
Maybe I copy-pasted it from the deepest entrails of my brain. Who knows? Even I can't tell ya.
But I did think of it, reworded it, and then edited it, so..
Can't say I like it having never done it. I gather you don't recommend it?
Eating the flesh and secretions against the consent of the animals is enjoying torture.
you are stretching definitions to meaninglessness. no one likes torture.
Is it now? Aren't they dead by then?
I'm just saying, accusing people of enjoying torture is exactly the smug attitude I'm criticizing. You can take your better-than-thou attitude and shove it.
And you're a dumbass
Oops, I think I hit the nail on the head and it squeaked.
Someone is having trouble admitting they’re wrong.
Are they not vegan? But if it talks and walks like one...
Also, holy shit the Avengers assembled.
Great you just turned more people from your cause
Normally vegans don't want to increase the suffering of animals, but sounds like you're good with that as long as you get to feel superior now
Sorry... you think milk makes people stupid?
No, I think only stupid people could possibly slurp down breast milk meant for babies of a completely different species.
What a bizarre superiority complex to have just because you don't like animal cruelty.
I don't like animal cruelty either, but I know enough about history to know that massive civilizations were built by people who used dairy products.
But hey, let's extend this to other groups. Like all the indigenous tribes in the world that hunt for their food.
Or how about the Maasai? They literally cut their cows and drink their blood. Those stupid backward black people, am I right?
You're definitely superior to any of those savages from the dark continent.
Oh yeah we should totally use history as our reference point for the majority of us on Lemmy living in the modern world where it’s super unnecessary to continue abusing animals, that totally makes sense.
Your words:
You did not specify 'the majority of us on Lemmy living in the modern world.' You said people.
So either all of those indigenous people are stupid or you said something very silly. You decide which.
the only thing dairy milk is "meant" for is "whatever the farmer wants". it could meant to drink or sell or give to the calves.
Yeah, cows evolved to provide milk not for their young but for the farmers. Good job genius!
they were selectively bred to provide milk for us.
an anti-vegan commie... interesting
One, Direct from cow raw milk has way less chances of contamination then mass produced raw milk.
Two, the Amish aren't going to go into detail about their health issues with someone who's only spending the night. It's their normal and what god wants, so why would they?
There's a word for "alternative medicine" that works.
Medicine.
But sure, keep simping for a group that has both horrific child sexual abuse issues and horrific animal abuse issues. They're just awesome people.
Incidentally, you didn't bother sourcing your claims. I wonder why that is?
Cool chat gpt readout. Any sources or info actually worth reading though?
Survivor bias in action. It might be delicious, and you can choose to take the risk, but the science is undeniable.
Source: your ass?
Make the claim, provide the source. As you said, don’t be lazy
That isn't how it works.
Source: Medical Science.
It's no one's job to prove you aren't lying but your own.
I guess you know you're not going to be able to back up your claim
Unpasteurized milk itself isn't the problem. It's the consequences of trying to milk cows at an industrial scale that are. You simply can't keep it free from contamination the entire time from the cow to the grocery store shelf.
Without pasteurization, the pathogens that make their way into the milk are going to fester. Fresh milk from a cow isn't going to kill you, but drinking that just might.
When people carried the milk home, they used it the same day.
Sometimes a change in weather could spoil it on the way home.
Nope! STUDY AFTER STUDY shows that isn’t true in any meaningful sense.
Next you’re gonna tell us that the earth is flat because you’ve never experienced curvature. 🙄
Well then, you go right ahead and take RFK Jrs health advice.
Good luck.
Spoken like a true friend to polio
And a terrible parent.
Also, they think RFK is right about being antivax despite getting heart damage from COVID?
I'm thinking what we need to finally wake people up is a major polio outbreak.
As if it wouldn't be explained away as either 1) a hoax or 2) a conspiracy brought on by one's political rivals
That didn't work on the anti-vaxxers and anti-maskers during the 1918 flu pandemic.
Yoi're right, letting them get infected with life-threatening diseases with as little protection as possible is much more responsible.
This has always been a stupid argument. Imagine two pharmaceutical companies, A and B. A develops a treatment that treats but doesn't cure a patient. B develops a more expensive treatment, but it completely cures a patient.
Which company would you want to be a customer of? Obviously B, they can cure you. Pharmaceutical companies are financially incentivised to cure rather than treat.
Now imagine A also tries to develop a cure. The only was they can compete is by making the cure cheaper, safer or more effective.
Being the only one with a cure means you can also ask higher prices, as you've essentially monopolised a disease.
This is also self-evident from all the diseases that we've found cures for in the last few decades. Even cancer is becoming less and less of a death sentence.
He's wrong.
Your son got heart damage and you think RFK Jr is right? You're a horrible parent.
Im not going to bother with an antivaxxor moron, i wouldn't be surprised if you think the earth is flat too.
I hope your child survives you.
Perfect solution. Everyone who wants milk just needs to have their own cow.
@NABDad I don't think we're allowed to have cows where I live at all, and horses are only permitted if you have five acres or more.
Goats! You get milk and you can sell your lawnmower!
Apart from the bird flu being really fucking dangerous raw milk is just a matter of being used to it. If you drink it your whole life it is really not a problem to drink it, as long as a proper hygiene is applied. However, aomeone who isn't used to it might get sick from drinking it.
Sounds yummy
I know a guy who got tuberculosis from raw milk.
Don't forget delicious parasites and their eggs.
And that's why I said as long as proper hygiene is being practised. This also includes separating the milk from sick cows.
Also, to kind of prove my point: Every single farmer I know, that has cows, drinks the raw milk. Did they die or get sick? No. Does this mean that nobody will get sick? Also no.
What’s the name of the cow you get your raw milk from?
Do you get a veterinary report about her with every bottle of milk?
I can name you at least 30 of them. How do I know? Because I live on their farm.
Username checks out.
Sadly the 'factory farm' dairy industry probably won't follow the proper hygiene you're referring to, and I'd imagine that the current administration would be more interested in reducing the regulations that would force proper hygiene than increase them.
I can't say anything about the hygienic standards for milk production in the US, but i absolutely agree with you, that under trump such laws will probably get weakened.
This has to be the way to (possibly literally) die on a hill. There's simply no downside to pasteurization. It effectively inactivates dangerous pathogens because, unless you have a cow in your back yard and can strictly adhere to your supposed "hygiene" protocols that magically negate the safe and reliable process of we've been using for well over a century... you know what, no. Your take is just ratfuck insane.
Pasteurisation has one hell of a downside. The taste. Raw milk tastes much better than pasteurized Milk. That's at least my opinion.
Quit saying objectively stupid shit that will get people killed. Jesus Christ.
This isn't an opinion, it's a hazard.
"I think that allowing my child to go play in traffic really isn't that bad". Look if your stupid ass commits suicide by raw milk, fine, but there are people who don't know all the facts who might listen to you, and you might be directly responsible for getting the idea into their heads that, when acted upon, kills them. That's close enough to murder by any sensible ethical standard.
Quit it.
Just seen this is in lemmy.world - home of the big brains who are experts IN EVERYTHING. Makes sense why a factually accurate statement gets downvoted.
If raw milk is as dangerous as some of the keyboard experts on here think then Louis Pasteur would never have been born - humans would’ve died out in Northern Europe long before.
Actually, people DID die from these pathogens, in droves, before pasteurization. Most of those didn't get a chance to "get used" to it, because they were CHILDREN, who hadn't had a lifetime to get used to it. They'd get sick from this, and either die of some foodborne pathogen, or an opportunistic infection taking advantage of their weakened immune system would kill them off - scarlet fever, mumps, measles, tuberculosis, etc.
It's not just "well if you drink it you die". Thousands would likely die from this - in fact, if you pay attention to the raw milk weirdo cultists on Facebook and other outlets, their kids do get sick and die way more often, usually because those people also don't believe in things like modern medicine. Combine everything ABOVE with a man who has literally stated, multiple times, on microphone, that modern medicine is a sham and he'd love to see the whole modern pharmaceutical industry disappear, and one hopes you can begin to see where the "fear mongering" is coming from, logically.
Yes. I wish more people were like you. What you wrote is correct. It Is far more nuanced than the crowd here are saying, as you acknowledge. I hope people take onboard what you posted. The only reason so many of us are alive is because of pasteurisation, vaccines (I assume the word is related to cows), modern medicine, biocides etc. To move away from these things, en masse, would cull a huge proportion of people. There’s a reason families pumped out 10-15 kids - they hoped a few would get to adulthood.
I’ve buried children, under those circumstances, and it’s the saddest fucking thing I’ve ever done.
Also true. As I said. You can get sick from it if you aren't used to it.
Exactly. You need to build a “tolerance” to it… as you yourself, being a dairy/beef farmer (I assume) know.