Feedback about our name: someone's concerns on sharing
Shoutout to our hard-working maintainers, first of all.
Wanted to open a space for the community to discuss this aspect of marketing/identity.
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chose the instance because of the name, stuck for the uptime, reliability and admins
Same here. If people don't like it, fuckem 🤷♂️. I'll find it all the funnier because of it.
Yeah, but at the end of the day we either want Lemmy to grow, or we don't. And if we make it difficult or awkward for people to use Lemmy, then we're shooting ourselves in the foot if our goal is to grow Lemmy's user base.
this is just my opinion but taking away personality to appeal to a wider audience is one of the worst things modern megacorps do, the strength of the fediverse is the power it gives to individuals and communities over corporations with money, and so personality is one of the things the fediverse needs to maintain to succeed
100% agree, well said
We're not the Borg?
The name says it all!
Same, came here to say this.
Shit just works 🤷🏻♂️
If people can't handle the word shit, they probably shouldn't be looking at shit on Lemmy. Lmao
The commenter themselves used big f potty word 😱
Must have goody two-shoes friends
You got it lol
Was just about to link you to this post!
In my post, I removed the link to the original thread after someone in this comment section forgot to attack the idea instead of the person. Tsk tsk, chilling effects when we do that!
RE: chilling: It's hard to find an idea expressed yet which is not shared by others. Attack the person, and the opinion stays, but in the future it may be hidden from view. And that's just not better for anyone.
Thanks for sparking a big discussion!
Harumph of agreement!
I Iike both slrpnk and blahaj but it's not like their domain names are magically not also part of this alphabet soup they're talking about.
It's... kinda the point of federation and decentralization.
Sure, Reddit or Facebook have brand recognition, they're also centralized corpo garbage.
If a blahaj user wants to share a SJW post, but finds the sjw domain untasteful, they can also just share their instance's URL for said post.
Amazingly few users seem to realize this can be done.
I think most (especially mobile) clients simply don't have this option and will always copy/share the "fedi link" - the url where the content is canonically hosted. all other URLs are simply cached representations of the original content.
Boost offers both pretty readily.
Thunder:
The default Web UI as well, the link icon is using your instance, the fediverse icon gives the commenter/poster's instance link
Honestly, that's one of the things I like most about lemmy.
The web UI just works fine in a mobile browser. I was so used to garbage sites going out of their way to gimp the mobile experience (to push you into their app) that I had forgotten how pleasant it was to just use a browser for this.
Multiple tabs, ublock origin, bookmarks, etc.
I appreciate that there are apps available, but it's nice not needing an app.
I think it's just for comments?
I've been wanting the same for posts for some time now
Thunder has it for posts and comments.
Ditto, i thought i was going nuts, but yeah its only for comments, not for sharing a post
It works for posts on the default UI
I started on lemmy.ml because I thought it was “the default one” to some extent. Learned that was a mistake pretty fast. Glad I found this one.
I think the same thing is why lemmy.world is as big as it is. "Well that must be the default one, it says lemmy and it's for the whole world."
I may be remembering it wrong, but I think world was one of the few accepting people without a referral during the reddit migration. That's why I use .world. I also don't really understand federation besides it means I can see other instances, but I only barely know what that means. There were a lot of "what is the fediverse" posts when I first joined, and they were helpful, but maybe too simplified?
I also remember thinking .world and .ml were the defaults when I started.
lol I hadn't seen the acronymized instance name. was the fact that it's sjw intentional?
I was there all those years ago...
The owner had the domain itjust.works, and was in some large thread asking what subdomain they should use, and some genius said "sh".
beautiful instance lore
Is it that many? I thought the server was younger than 2...
Yeah it was a little over a year ago lol
Glad I revisited this thread and caught this. Thank you!
Yeah I recall the thread. There were quite a few suggestions none of which I can remember now. Sh was just so good.
We're all someone's SJW.
This comment would be more relevant a year down the line if perspectives shifted and users begged for sanitization, but:
Is it technically challenging or financially costly or otherwise problematic to mirror content to another subdomain, or domain mask or something? I thought of this after seeing oldsh.itjust.works:
(2 & 4 don’t work as well as the current split word)
No reply requested unless it seems like it would be fun/interesting to type one
I'm not an expert on the specific of this, but changing the domain for the UI (as in oldsh.itjust.works) seems a lot easier than changing the domain for the backend, which includes federation with all other instances.
I don't know of any way to change the federated stuff without breaking pretty much everything and starting over.
Maybe there is and I just don't know about it, or maybe there could be an easier way at some point.
As someone who works with a marketing department for a living, please don’t ruin this with marketing.
I'm sympathetic... I'm not sure I'd be willing to share a sh.itjust.works link to my company #general slack channel.
Though that is far from the biggest problem Lemmy has for adoption. Many communities are simply flooded with 15yr old tankies.
I wouldn't share a reddit link in that scenario either, but it's a decent point.
Usually I'll be sharing either screenshots or just straight ripping the meme to send directly. But I also don't generally communicate with work colleagues outside of work
Pretty sure they meant because of the word shit, not the TLD works.
Uhh... My friend. They said it was a work chat. Regardless of your opinion if swearing I think you should understand that work places are generally more conservative with regards to swear words.
When you grow up you'll realize that sometimes you need to consider the attitudes and feelings of others rather than just "fuck 'em".
Yes. It's you who should realize that other people's perspectives, thoughts, opinions, etc. matter. It's something one typically learns as they grow into adulthood.
sometimes their opinions are stupid. it's a word. peoplr use it to mean "stuff" - if youre gonna omgwtfbbq over vulgarity in this world, in this time, just go clutch your pearls somewhere else and leave the world for those of us who worry about crap worth worrying about
no, really. next youre gonna tell me my tattoos need to be covered at work, too! die off, old generation- nobody cares about that shit anymore. have an opinion worth a damn? ok! but i dont have time for gaspers and groaners worrying about thr most inane fucking nonsense
the world is fucking burning but, sure watch your language because peoples feels
dnehsyhxdkowdngmgkg
If you reach 30 you'll understand.
yay i dont come off as old, and cold, and settled in my ways
\o/
oh shit wait you just mean you think Im immature
:P
"when you grow up" is what people say when their skin starts to grow over the mask they wear.
I got tired of half-assing being someone else. Frankly I'm too busy to bother.
#7thgradedeep
You need clearer language? Only immature people worry about being "grown up", well-adjusted people just get on with it.
sh.itjust.works is my fav instance domain name too 😅
Hello,
I see you are on lemmy.one, do you know that your instance admin seems to have been missing for the last few months?
Literally joined because of the name
Firmly agree. It sounds both a) fun, and b) wildly reliable. The two things I needed back when I was a Lemmy newb
This is sh.itjust.works, not fragile.nitpicker.justworks AWOO AWOO AWOO
How dare they mess with Sh, It Just Works.
Sh, It Just Works ™️
Probably a fan if those fancy newfangled bash or fish shells.
Fish shells? I only know bash and sh...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fish_(Unix_shell)
Huh, TIL. Thanks.
I am partial to pdksh, mainly because when I read it I hear a drummer going "ba-dum-tschh" like at the end of a joke, which is how I see most of my sed invokations.
I might be too autistic to care about the prejudices other people might have about the urls
While I agree less common domains are usually red flags, I love that the Fediverse has largely embraced them due to the hobbiest nature of the Fediverse. We need more acceptable TLDs because there's only so many .com .net and .org domains to go around
Maube but I see pedo.school (amongst others) is a blocked instance on Mastodon.
What's the polite way to call someone a lil bitch. Genuinely curious because I wanna be PC but also an asshole. Anyway the creature in the post is a lil bitch ass
I believe that the most socially acceptable way would be (and remember that it's an example, and not directed at you):
"fuck you, and your lil bitch ass attitude. You don't know your father because he never even liked you, your mother blows strangers for bags of gummy bears and validation, and your ears look weird"
Note this is talking about regular gummy bears, not even edibles...
I've always been partial to "pissbaby"
"diaper baby" is my favorite, you can borrow it
Little fuckin ass bitch?
I hope I nailed it 🙏
Fuck them. Variety of thought is why I'm here. The tankies suck, but I think of them as a palate cleanser after the right wing crap in mainstream media.
Chose the instance because of it being the first one that I found that wasn't overwhelmed by new sign-ups of refugees from the sub place. Stay because of the name.
It’s stayed true!
It is an an immune system against the normies.
I am dead serious. I think it's a good idea. It won't last forever before they think it's cool and start adopting it, but it'll work for a while.
Normie filter, based in Canada, less tankies, fun name. I mean those are strong selling points.
"sh! it just works!"
Shhhh... It just. works.
I chose it as a smaller, stable instance based in Canada that had a catchy name.
"I can't link this, it doesn't fit within my corporate values!"
Yeah that's why I'm here. The name makes this place much more difficult for corpo scum to infest it.
Oh there's plenty of corpo spam accounts being made, even here.
Most of us know to expect this to stay another largely pointless, niche project with little broad impact.
We're not hitting 100k MAU, we're not improving the internet, we're not dethroning reddit. We're just existing alongside them, in their shadow, with a slow front page of largely mid nonsense that sticks around for a couple days, with several communities' comments mostly coming from 1-5 "power"-users.
And people want it to stay that way.
What does getting bigger actually accomplish? I've been through enough Eternal Summers to know it sucks to lose a place you like to the swarm of terminally online bootlickers who infest every place that actually has people they can rule over. I'm good
I wouldn't mind 100k monthly active users. Millions probably not, but a bit more activity would be nice to cover a few more niche topics
There are a lot of interests I have which do not have enough users in communities here to make sharing things worthwhile, personally. Why waste time sharing art or music or other original content in places where it gets little engagement?
There's a reason the front page is primarily covered in memes, news, technology news, and politics, and that's because those require little barrier of entry to participate in for those tech savvy enough to already be here.
need an instance named titfuck.gore. no one wants to cite that as a source.
As a shitter on the shitter I vote the name stays.
I'll take that to Matrix and my grave. 🤣
"oh no, swear words! can't share this now!"
this sounds like a personal problem, sorry Ned Flanders!
Isnt that the point? Dont like it, use another instance. The point of federation is that you can choose the website you use without choosing the group of people you interact with. Thats why it should be more common. I dont want to lose contact with people because they wanna use messenger or snapchat. I have to use both on a daily basis and i hate it.
Yeah you can choose the instance your profile is on or where your browsing but you can't choose what instance a post was made on. If I see a meme on lemmy and want to share it with a friend who doesn't know about lemmy depending on how I get the link it could either be for the cached version on my instance or the "actual" link on the instance where it was posted. It seems the default behavior on the web ui for the share button is to do the cached version but depending what client you use this can be different.
It makes adoption harder if when people actually do try to spread posts the person on the other end is afraid to click it.
The whole point of federation is that content is coming from all sorts of different sources all with different levels of trust.
The default sharing behavior should be the cached version of a post, because the instance you’re on should be trusted to defederated from harmful instances and so that trust should carry over to those you interact with.
On my client I can either share the canonical URL or "share as image" and I choose which one based on context
You should pick an instance you'd be happy for your friends to see in the links you share them, and send them your local links instead of the poster's instance link.
As a new person to lemmy and the fediverse concept as a whole, when I was looking for an instance to join it was the unique URL that drew me here. And the fact it's run by a fellow wargoose. I can see why people would dislike the URL though. So far I like it here and hope it doesn't change.
Welcome here!
Eh, I chose this instance because it was one of the top 5 or so, not because of the name. I would probably hesitate to share a link from this instance, but honestly, I don't do that anyway, I generally just share links to actual articles linked here.
So for me, it's really a non-issue. I have much larger concerns about how Lemmy works in general than naming of any one site, such as the one mentioned in the OP (no indication from domain name that it's a Lemmy instance, one instance lagging on updates can break when viewed from other instances, etc). So to me, it's going to stay niche because the user experience kind of sucks.
The internet is serious business.
The anti-gtld propaganda is spicy hot lately, anything non-.com is a keyboard rage trigger.
A lot of people have uneducated opinions on gtlds, but as a professional DNS engineer: fuck gtlds. They're literally corporate cash grabs that make my work much, much harder and actively make the Internet worse.
Thanks for proving my point lol how do gtlds make your work much, much harder??
😂😂😂
Since you've shown vague interest in my field, allow me to elaborate!
gtlds add a ton of complexity to managing DNS. Every new gtld means more configurations to deal with, which makes things way more prone to errors. On top of that, they make monitoring and security tougher since we have to constantly watch for threats from an ever-growing list of domains—more phishing, more typosquatting, more headaches. It's also a pain when systems don’t play nice with certain gtlds, leading to random bugs or outages we have to troubleshoot. And let's not forget the user confusion. People are used to .com or .org, so we end up fielding extra support requests, trying to explain what these domains even are which means I have to explain repeatedly to executives to NOT use some gimmicky gtld for their new site. When users are upset because "thewebsiteimanage.hot" is a porn site, thats a huge problem. Defensive domains are a nightmare and get worse every time a new gltd is created.
That's a lot of hats for one person to wear, no wonder you're having so much trouble managing your configuration. Sounds like it'd be easier to have a single registry with an open top dot and delegate all that management.
Hm, so to explain the problem better: I work for a large organization that has many sites. Part of that is managing all the names. We have over 500 domains and 75% of them are defensive domains. For example, if I have companysite.com then I also must have companysite.net and .org and .co and so on and so forth. They all redirect to companysite.com
I wonder if companysite. would be more expensive than a portfolio. There's value in identity trust and countless ways to do that but the Internet gravitated to squirreling away domain names.
So, if you want to be a registrar, it is a considerable responsibility, cost, and effort. It also doesn't solve the original problem. Users will still go to companysite.com because that's what they think it is. Trying to tell users to go to companysite. would be damn near impossible without giving a quick DNS 101 lesson. Also, your SEO would be fuuucked. Good luck selling that to any exec. As for your concern with the Internet choosing to go with delegating domains, it's actually critical to how we run DNS. Imagine if every single lookup had to contact the root servers. Every single email. Every single ping. Icann would have to be the size of Google. This also means that requirements for being a tld would be significantly reduced which would greatly compromise the Internet if any of them went rogue.
You don't owe anything to anyones prudishness.
I'm so used to tech and Linux stuff that I first thought that it was a special interest instance for shell scripting and TUIs. Now, it's a toss up between "shit just works" and "sh! It just works".
Hmm, I like it here.
I won't go so far as to use the word "normie" like this is 4chan, but I will say: I think it's fine. I'd rather have slow growth, thanks. I'm not the arbiter of what kind of users we should attract or anything, but if they have a problem with our silly name I don't want to hang out with them.
That's partly why I'm here. I don't want a big place where every normie shows up, and it just becomes facebook. Does this specific sever want to become a mega-platform?
I'd love it if the fediverse as a whole grew to that size. Any individual instance? No. That's kind of the whole point of the fediverse.
For heroin! It binds together all life.
Why would we have opioid receptors if we weren’t Made to opiate?!
What's the point of VIP if no one's there to see you being a PI?
Would a URL shortener work better for sharing Lemmy links/instances?
You want the url to look less suspicious, not more.
Maybe a Lemmy specific url shortener that only works for lemmy posts.
I thought it was for shell script aficionados.
Cross-post the thing to another instance, then share that link.
I share it when I think the person might someday sign up for the fediverse if they see enough links
Yeah, why not? They obviously suck and I did have a couple of "I'm not clicking that, wtf" reactions. Only then do I save and send the image.
So they don't need to click something to see the thing, they just get it?
Well, discord shows the thing automatically, for other communicators a single click isn't that bad. We swap links all the time.
You could always use lemmy.org
How do we know that instance will stay afloat though? I see search engines indexing Lemmy already, but they're all scattered with whatever instance they happened to get in touch with.
Could build a reverse proxy to mask Lemmy links behind something that seems more legit
Shhhh 🤫 it just works, there's no need for change