Lemmy.world active users is tapering off while other servers are gaining serious traction.
Seems to me the fear of overloading one instance over another will not happen after all.
But I do hope the Threadiverse can hit 500,000 consistent active users by the end of summer.
Give me that hopium guys! 💉
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I wonder how many people created an alt and just wound up using it more than their original.
I like alts so I can watch the new feeds
Hi! :) new user here after 10 years on r*ddit
What does being a new user have to do with seeing new feeds? Also is there a new user guide anywhere?
Edit: Also lol can you view my saved posts or is that only something I can view?
I have the option on the app to view other people’s saved stuff but it’s blank
guide
Only you should be able to view your saved posts. I'm not sure what app you're using.
Thanks! It says “view saved posts” on each user but it’s always blank, so I was just making sure.
App is memmy on iOS. Do you recommend anything?
Sorry, I have an Android, so I don't have any recommendations for iOS apps.
What about Android apps? I finally joined today after boost totally stopped working this mo
I'm liking connect personally
https://vger.app/settings/install
Works on both platforms I believe, and is based off of the Apollo UI.
I'm using jerboa. I heard boost is making a lemmy app, so that will prob have a similar ui and ux to what you're used to.
What app? I doubt you see saved posts unless there’s an option to share somewhere otherwise that goes against 100% of the idea of privacy.
People probably use different accounts to filter content. Instead of flipping around settings and shit you just have one account for reading all the mindmelting horrible shit and another where you don’t subscribe to any of that. Who knows though
Ohhhhh that makes a lot of sense.
Thanks! It says “view saved posts” on each user but it’s always blank, so I was just making sure.
App is memmy on iOS. Do you recommend anything?
On desktop it does look like you're viewing other people's saved posts, but it's actually always just showing your own. The app you're on maybe has the same weirdness.
I've been using liftoff on android. Not sure If there is an IOS version but I really like it. I see your user name is Buffalo, GO BILLS, if your also a buffalo bills fan like me.
Test from liftoff
I see that too on Memmy but it shows blank on everyone but myself.
I have a feeling that Memmy just reuses the profile page view for everyone.
I created my Lemmy.world account when Beehaw defederated, and it's now my main.
What did beehaw defederate from? That site seems pretentious.
They claimed it would be temporary and was to ensure “safety” of their community as other instances have open signups, and apparently the beehaw admin thought there’d be an influx of bots, or excessive posts requiring moderation. It doesn’t seem like that has happened though, and it also doesn’t seem like they’ve re-federated.
They defederated (at least at some point) from lemmy.world and sh.itjust.works. Probably more, but I'm too lazy this morning to go digging through their instances list or posts. Also ironically their 'safe space' doesn't give me a very welcoming or safe feeling, so I prefer to steer clear of it.
I have alts on several instances but lemmy.world is still my preferred instance even with all the hiccups.
I also appreciate that m.lemmy.world uses the Voyager PWA by default.
That's me. Jumped a couple of instances as I started to understand federation and defederation.
I’m one of them. Not using my lemmy.world account as much the past couple of days
My main has the same name as my ancient Reddit account that is fairly well known in certain circles. This alt feels like a totally new, fediverse only experience and I kind of like it.
Yeah I created accounts with the same name as my Reddit username, but then thought, why would I want to create a trail from Reddit to Lemmy? The point is to be able to be anonymous. Just started fresh with a new name
I've had to make so many different reddit accounts over the years just cause I would change a device and I can't be bothered to remember the passwords. It's just whatever at this point.
I did. Was having issues with lemmy.world. so signed up for another one and was using that. Today that instance is down, so I just jumped onto lemmy.world. I guess we will see what happens long term.
I ended up deleting my main on .world to make my alt on a smaller instance. I hope we can all learn and spread out or at least join instances relevant to our hobbies or geographic position more than defaulting to the general instances.
.world has been my main account, but now that I figured out how to transfer my subscription list to another instance, I'm starting to use a small instance to reduce .world loading.
Honestly excellent news, there should be no center to this new universe.
As it is always said, "everyone is an equal, unconditionally". No ifs, nor buts.
That's poetic let me just steal that sentence from you
If everyone already here just stays here, I'd be happy. We've already hit a nice place.
Lemmy is not a business, so it doesn't necessarily need a constant influx of new users. Sustainability is based on user experience, not endless growth.
Edit: actually last sentence kind of dumb. Sustainability based on keeping the servers running and user experience.
I imagine any time a given server's quality drops, people will just move to another one. I had login issues for a few days on lemmy.world and started using lemmy.ml.
I think its a good thing, healthy for the ecosystem that there's not only redundancy where one site having a moment doesn't kill everyone's ability to use lemmy, and also provides a clear incentive for individual servers to provide good service.
I went from beehaw to lemmy.world and then to lemmy.ca all good changes and am very happy with lemmy.ca as my home base.
Were you able to export your list of subscriptions and import into another instance? I thought that would be a feature, but I can't find it on lemmy.world
It's not a feature of Lemmy itself yet, though I've seen one person attempting a PR and there are issues for it. It will arrive at some point but could be awhile.
I made a tool to do it (subscriptions, blocks, and profile settings) in the meantime: https://github.com/CMahaff/lasim
Very cool, thanks! It's funny, because I went to your repo and I already had it starred. I've been wandering through so many instances/apps/websites during this Lemmy process - I've lost track of some things I've stumbled upon in the last month,
No I just logged onto the different instances and manually copied over my content, I have only one community that so far isn't very active that I run so that was easy to move over as well. I'm sure its a roadmap feature, but who knows what the development road for lemmy is going to be now.
Isn't that instance full of Canadians?
Ya bud.
Can I suggest you lot make a AskACanadian or AskCanada community? There's a photo I've been wishing to share and ask Canadians about for a few weeks now but can't on Redit cos I'm banned. Either that or tell me which communiy would be ok me asking the question?
/c/[email protected] is probably the place to do it. Doesn't appear tonbe any rules about not asking questions.
Thank you moose whisperer! I shall reply again once over posted my question so you have a chance to have some input.
I wish you many happy 'ice skatings' from Barry of Grandad Britain!
I love this idea. Thank you, we will do that.
!canada[email protected] probably isn't going to be the best place in the long term
Yeah, I started with beehaw a month ago, then lemmy.ml, and then lemmy.world. I switch between ml and world bc i dont really care about my account itself. And if one is slow, I go to the other. It ends up being pretty convenient.
I haven't fully settled on a "home" instance yet.
I bounce around between Lemmy.world, Beehaw and Kbin the most. As things stabilize with the various software updates and federation between instances gets worked out I will probably settle on one, but I could also see jumping to more niche instances (really hoping a sports-related instance like Fanaticus takes off) being the long term strategy, too.
Ooh, i will def have to check this one out. I manage to find a few telegram channels to keep up on nba trades and soccer transfers, but I know I miss out on quite a bit due to my lack of twitter.
Did you just call it the "Threadiverse"?? dafuq?
I found out about that term yesterday. It means lemmy/kbin. And only those two together.
Idk
Might be part of why Facebook co-opted "threads"
FB had a different app called threads two years ago, which was a direct messenger that sent videos or something. Not sure why they recycled the name.
I don't know. The oldest I could find of the threadiverse was a month ago. FB has been working on threads since January. It's possible though, and I wouldn't be surprised.
Hopefully someone with more info will chime in.
It started popping up after Kbin became a thing and a term was needed for link aggregators together.
They actually had a previous app called ‘Threads’ that they canned like a year ago. It was an instagram messaging app iirc
They're both reddit-like. Pretty much an independent part of the fediverse so it's good to have a term for them
That's literally what it's called
Huh. Weird.
I created an account on lemmy.world before I'd understood how the Fediverse works. Later on I went and searched for a smaller instance that's better aligned with my interests and whose moderation I was happy with, and I
abandoned lemmy.world(Edit: Bad choice of words here. I still subscribe to communities on lemmy.world; I just stopped using the account I had created there). It had served its purpose well as a landing zone for a Fledditor like me.username does not check out 💀
Can you share what your search entailed and how you undertook it? I'm on lemmy.world and not really dissatisfied, but I am curious for potential future use. Thanks!
Sure thing.
I just went through the instances listed on https://join-lemmy.org/instances and visited each one that caught my eye and I'd just glance over the welcome message, rules, and check to see if they have a website or a Matrix Space where you can talk with the admins, get support or just chat. Eventually I found one that's hosted in my country, is better aligned with my interests (browse the list of local communities!), has no moderation rules that I disagree with, and is being maintained by folks who are passionate about FOSS and whom I wouldn't mind supporting in maintaining the instance (financially or otherwise). Most instances will have one community where people can ask for help or discuss anything related to the instance itself, like the state of the server and updates, whether or not the instance should defederate from some other instance, etc... For example, ours is https://discuss.tchncs.de/c/tchncs and lemmy.world's is https://discuss.tchncs.de/c/[email protected]. Be sure to take a look at those "home" communities as well.
If it's a smaller instance, it would also be a good idea to check the state of funding. Are they getting enough donations to maintain the server already? If not, would you be willing to help them out? Then just create an account and test the stability of the server for a week or so. This may sound like quite a bit of effort, and it is, but it's worth it in my opinion. I love that I've stumbled upon this community https://tchncs.de/ and I've already switched to using their servers for a bunch of other stuff I'm using (Matrix, for example).
Saved, thanks internet person/strong A.I.!
Just wanna say, great work on looking around and finding an instance that fits you. That's exactly how Lemmy is supposed to work. It's a great sign of network health that people are shuffling around to places they like better.
Still not sure I get how this all works. I am using the Memmy app. Created a login with lemmy.world. How do I see threadiverse? Can I do it from Memmy? I tried to search threadiverse on Memmy but there’s nothing there. Am I doomed to never fully comprehend this?
You're on it bro, I'm on kbin browsing this post. We can all see and talk to each other.
Honestly people talk too much about the fediverse and federation to newbies and it creates this false barrier to entry. Here's this person, commenting on a post not knowing shit about how it works or where it's from. You don't really need to know about all of that stuff to get going. Just go to any of the instances and get browsing.
Yeah people tend to spew information because they're excited about the fediverse but it's really not complicated to actually use.
People definitely make it seem more complex than it is.
How about that. I’m a newbie!
Like 95% of us weren't here a month ago, we're all newbies.
Yeah I'm on sh.itjust.works, another lemmy instance and can see ya
Lol. I think I expected it to be more complicated. Thanks
Threadiverse is a term for all Lemmy instances.
And kbin!
The threadiverse is just the name given to all of the Lemmy and Kbin instances as a whole.
The fediverse includes all services that implement the ActivityPub protocol, which includes the reddit-like "threadiverse" but also Twitter-like services (like Mastodon), Instagram-like Pixelfed, and others.
So some of the things I’m seeing in Memmy are from mastodon?
Could be, though it's a little clunky to use it that way still. You can subscribe to Lemmy communities from mastodon but you will see every comment as a 'toot' and it's a bit of a clusterfuck to view larger subs that way. It can be great for smaller ones though. I have seen people post and comment here from mastodon but that platform seems like it is built more for following individual accounts and hashtags. Kbin has more capability in the microblogging dept. if that's what you're looking for.
Probably not because discoverability of Mastodon content from Lemmy is not very good; kbin supports it better. I have managed to view a Mastodon user profile from a lemmy instance by searching for it, but I wasn't able to find a good way to see their posts.
I’m with ya man! I am a member of 4 servers but I am not really understanding the difference between them so stick to lemmy.world mostly.
There isn't much difference really. Some instances/servers block more instances than others, but generally speaking you're getting the same experience on most of them.
There's about as much difference between servers as there is between email providers. Sometimes there's technical differences or some might be more reliable, but Lemmy will be Lemmy wherever you go.
I've only got one account on kbin, but I can see communities from a ton of different places and users from everywhere. For example, I'm browsing this from kbin.socal but it's on lemmy.world.
I'm on Kbin as well. I just don't overthink it too much, but the idea is that you can interact with all the different places whether it be Lemmy or otherwise. Either way, you can comment and interact and post everywhere so if it works it's good. And so far it seems to.
I think beehaw is defederated from Lemmy but I don't know if that means it's defederated from Kbin. I can see their things fine.
So beehaw.org defederated from lemmy.world (not Lemmy in general) , and all it does is that users on those two servers can't interact with each other.
But everyone else in the hundreds (thousands?) of other Lemmy & Kbin servers can still see beehaw.org & lemmy.world content and interact with them just fine.
The magic of Federation.
Gotcha. That's pretty cool. I don't suppose there's a reason why just those specific places (instances?) defederated?
Either way, I like the general mashup of being able to see pretty much anything from anywhere here. Organised chaos in a positive sense, bring it on!
Beehaw was built as a safe space (even before all the Reddit furore) - it's all laid out in their main sidebar, and their docs.
So after the big migration last month, users started flocking to the 'verse. And apparently beehaw mods were having so much moderating issues with users from two of the bigger instances (lemmy.world & sh.itjust.works). So after a meeting of admins from the 3 instances, they decided to amicably defederate for now.
And this is the beauty of Federation. You can join instances that align with your values. You can join a safe space and have a curated experience, or enjoy the lawless wild west.
The instance I'm on has defederated NSFW instances, for fear of legal issues. It also means that my "All" feed is safe to browse from work, which is exactly what I'm looking for.
Thanks for the in depth answer!
And that sounds like a mature and adult decision. On the internet. Who knew such things were possible...
Not overthinking things is quite the skill, honestly. Well done.
Crongrats boss, you already made it lol
Well I’ll be
They're probably leaving due to all the problems this instance has been having. I've only just recently been able to log back in after several days of it just refusing to let me in. Although I'm not sure if it's an instance issue or a Lemmy issue since mastodon.world has been working just fine with no issues.
lemmy.world was hacked recently, you needed to delete login data.
Does this mean something other than changing your password? I'm not clear what I should delete.
delete the cache/cookie data for lemmy.world in your browser settings. Directly after the hack everything was working mostly fine for me but if I would open comments in a new tab instead of the one I was already in it would log me out and I was unable to log in. cleared my cache/cookies and logged in again and I'm back to being able to open comments in a new tab without issue.
i think "clear your cache" was the advice? There was a pinned notice about it, maybe check the admin's post history.
I'm not surprised. Lemmy.world seemed to be the default, but you're now seeing subs from Reddit coming over with their own instances and others realizing it might be better to make their own instances with blackjack and hookers.
I think users are jumping over to instances that more fit their personal values. Its why I left lemmy.world and created unilem.org. An instance for no defederation. It might not be for everyone. But i prefer to be able to access everything in one place and do thr moderation/blocking on the user level.
There are many instances that have 50k+ bot accounts because they didn't protect their sign-ups. Those instances should be defederated by everyone until they get cleaned up.
Not de-federating for political reasons is a personal preference and one that you are free to have, but if you aren't protecting the fediverse from security risks like bot swarms, you're doing more harm than good.
There is also defederating for legal reasons.
You may not want to risk someone on your instance subscribing to a community on some other instance that publishes content illegal in your jurisdiction and have your instance keep a copy of it.
This is honestly one of my biggest fears, as an instance owner, because it's really hard to stay on top of this. Unless you only explicitly federate with known-good instances, the likelihood of this happening is very high.
That's why strong moderation is so important. These wide-open instances (even lemmy.world is too lax on account and community creation) are a major risk.
Hi there! Looks like you linked to a Lemmy community using a URL instead of its name, which doesn't work well for people on different instances. Try fixing it like this: ![email protected]
Nice! Good bot.
fmhy is really good on that front, they've only defederated Lemmygrad and Exploding-Heads.
There are tool to export and import subs and blocks but as far as I'm aware at the moment there is no account transfer utility yet.
There really needs to be some way to..... "federate" logins. Associate your identity on one server with another
I suggest creating your own lemmy instance. No one can tell you what to do and you can have your own quality server umlike garbage world.
I'll do that for a small monthly fee and an identity verification.
You pay me up for the privelege 🤣
Nothing is free
I just decided to host my own private instance. But that might fall apart as the disk space usage grows, lol.
Probably because lemmy.world stops working with half the apps every other day. Some days I can only use it with Thunder, other times only Jeroba, other days it works with every app except Liftoff. There's just no predictable pattern to it and I've found myself just avoiding lemmy.world lately because I don't want to type out a 3 paragraph comment just to find that my app isn't logging in to lemmy.world today.
heh, would you look at that. It won't let me post this comment on Jeroba so I had to log in with a browser. This is fuckin bullshit. I'm going back to sh.itjustworks until this gets fixed.
If it's the same issue as me, you just need to logout/login inside the app. JWT secrets had to be rotated following a recent exploit, and the apps I'm using haven't accounted for this case. Liftoff still thought I was logged in for example, but as far as the instance was concerned I wasn't. No issues after I logged out/in manually.
For a few days my jerboa was logged out every time I went to use it.
Bummer, I think it should be all good now that the initial problems with updating the instance and closing the exploit vulnerability are sorted though.
I think those instances we planned as I have had the exact same experience. App update and login again is a small price to pay for not having to live under the boot of capitalism!
I have done it and you should too.
Timeout for no reason, getting logged out for no reason.
The frequent and random log outs are really annoying! I was wondering if it is just me.
Happens to me too.
I'll get randomly logged out and then it won't let me log back in.
Happens to me as well. But I find that if I click sign out (no idea why it's saying that, as I'm being told I'm already signed out and need to log back in) it will bring up the log in again.
Also, if that doesn't work, if I click on my photo at the top it will bring up the log in and let's me back in again.
Weirdness.
Huh. I just realized how much of a flex it is to make an account on Lemmy nsfw and use it as your main
Thinking it was just me.
I think a problem for new users is failing to understand how the Fediverse works. It's not something apparent and not something you can expect everyone to understand right off the bat. A user may start out on a heavily loaded instance and get discouraged by poor response. They either figure out they need to find a better instance or base their opinion of the whole on that one experience and give up altogether.
Lemmy.ml and lemmy.world can suffer from heavy user load and bog down at times. That situation can be avoided by selecting an instance that's not too heavily loaded. There's a large number to choose from. It may be necessary to shop around for a good one. In technical terms, find a regionally local instance with low hops, fast ping, and good server response. Also admin settings and quality can be a consideration. I actually signed up on four instances before I found one I really liked.
I've been here for a few weeks now... And I'm still not entirely sure how fediverse works. I was under the impression that it didn't really matter which instance you sign up for, they would still communicate with one another.
I think there needs to be a better/simplified explanation on the website of how everything works.
Ideally speaking, it shouldn't matter much which instance you pick, but that's one of the biggest miscommunications about how all this stuff works, speaking ideally rather than realistically.
Realistically instance choice matters both regarding technical stuff like how well it handles traffic and social stuff like whether folks are discussing anything that interests you to begin with and whether the instance's moderation style appeals to you. When all of this pans out, the tech should fade into the background, but as we've seen, it's early days yet in that regard.
Lemmy uses a queue to send out activities. The size of this queue is specified by the config value federation.worker_count. Very large instances might need to increase this value. Search the logs for "Activity queue stats", if it is consistently larger than the worker_count (default: 64), the count needs to be increased.
I’m with you except for the “whether folks are discussing anything interesting to you.” So maybe I’m not understanding that part. On Memmy, or Wefwef, or a variety of apps, I’m fed posts from all different instances so it really doesn’t matter to me what instance is my home base provided that I agree with the moderation style and they are fully federated. Is it just because I’m using a third-party app that my choice of home base doesn’t matter as much?
So, it's a subtle detail and may not matter for many folks, but your instance choice affects your remote communities via the All feed, as the people there choose which of those to subscribe to & presumably discuss the posts there & post there themselves. It's something that isn't as clear on Lemmy yet as many instances are more general subject than focused at the moment and communities are still in the works, but it's really clear on smaller Mastodon instances.
Easy example would be like a tech or programming instance that strictly limits the creation of their local communities, e.g. programming.dev. Off the bat you know a lot of discussion there's to do with programming, and in turn there's a decent chance that many of the communities people follow through there may also be programming or tech related, so the all feed may have a largely tech/programming focus to it.
As time goes on, you may see more focused instances with stricter sign-ups specifically to ensure their all feed relates more to their community's focus, but honestly probably not too many as people enjoy flexibility in their posting.
It's like email. When you sign up for Gmail, you get all the Gmail features, use the Gmail website to access your email, and can send email to any other email, like Proton or Hotmail or whatever. But if Gmail goes down you can't read or send any email.
With Lemmy, you can see communities from any other server, like lemmy.ml or tchncs.de. But some servers might have a different interface, slightly different features, and if your instance goes down you won't be able to access log in unless you have an account somewhere else.
The extra cool thing is this extends beyond Lemmy. Some other social medias like Mastodon and Pixelfed communicate the same way that Lemmy does, they just look different. You can see Lemmy communities on Mastodon, and see Mastodon toots on Pixelfed.
A complete lack of documentation has made the whole process of converting to Lemmy a massive pain in the ass.
Another main problem is that it's not working how it's designed.
If an instance gets bogged down, or an instance is misconfigured, then data doesn't always replicate. Comments go missing from certain instances, etc.
The most basic explanation I can give is that: yes, instances can communicate with each other, but the don't share data automatically. A user from instance A must go interact with data from instance B by directly browsing to it via the correct URL string (instanceA.com/c/[email protected]), and then interact with content in that community. Data from that specific community will then show up.
That's a large part of the reason that smaller instances have partial data from larger ones. Their users haven't interacted with enough communities outside their own instance.
If I’m on a different instance, but I access communities on lemmy.world, would being on a different instance actually make a difference in user experience? Isn’t that community hosted on lemmy.world still subject to overloading?
I believe that your own instance pulls the feed from the other instance, so you're not actually browsing that other instance directly. If other users on your local instance are also subscribed to that particular community, then your local instance is already syncing the feed. Essentially, I believe that each federated instance replicates a copy of the other instances' communities, if and when those communities are requested or subscribed to by a user on the local instance. Hope that makes sense, and if anyone has a better (or more accurate) explanation, please feel free to correct me.
Think that's more or less correct, but regarding @[email protected]'s question about overloading, I think that it may affect folks even on other instances if Lemmy.world's overloading affects its response time to other servers attempting to sync with it.
E.g. Lemmy.world is bogged down -> Lemm.ee tries to sync posts/comments from .world -> .world takes a longer time to fulfill the request -> Lemm.ee sees older posts/comments for awhile until .world catches up to requests.
Glad to hear I'm not totally off the mark. I wonder then if instance-to-instance transactions would cause less overall congestion than local user traffic in such cases.
For example, if there are 25,000 users spread across 5 instances (with some overlap in community participation), would the instance-to-instance transactions needed to facilitate these users result in less of a performance hit than having all 25,000 users on the same instance? I don't know nearly enough about databases to make an educated guess.
The problem I found is that when I looked at lemmy.world content through lemmy.ca for example, it would not be up to date. Comments would be missing, upvotes and downvotes wouldn't match, etc.
Yeah I found this issue as well. Although it actually seems to have improved in the last few weeks. Not sure what changed.
Pretty much every instance was having federation issues with lemmy.world due to their server just being overloaded. It's significantly improved but I'm not sure if it's 100% perfect yet.
I've found since 18.2 that Lemmy.ml is as reliable as ressot for me. Compared to June I've had no hanging, errors, or issues accessing pages.
I'm really grooving on multiple instances. I like that Beehaw and kbin offer meaningfully different audiences and experiences.
How would you describe their differences? I'm always curious to see what people think about the different instances.
beehaw.org is a lemmy instance explicitly chartered as encouraging politeness and diversity. They are also tightly curating the locally hosted communities -- none of these thousands of copies for subreddits, just a couple of pages of very carefully chosen communities. But, for all that, traffic seems pretty high.
kbin.social (and other kbins) are not Lemmy, they are a competing code base that uses ActivityPub in a way that is mostly compatible with Lemmy and can federate with other Lemmy instances. kbin has no externally facing API, so there are no third party apps that will work with it (and so far, no prospects for them at all). It's pretty similar to lemmy.world, but maybe quieter, and with a more technical user base. Arguably the web site works better, as the code is a bit more stable.
lemmy.ml is most similar to lemmy.world, it also seems to have a more technical user base. Has a lot of Linux and FOSS-related communities on it.
lemmy.world you know about :-)
UItimately, you can get to most communities through your lemmy.world account, as lemmy.world is federated with the others. But I do find myself logging in directly sometimes to get the best experience.
Lemmy.world had problems since day 1 for me. When you get to a smaller fully updated sever like lemm.ee the service is excellent and you see how good Lemmy is.
Shh!!! lemm.ee is slow and overloaded, no need to register here. 👀
as long as you can still subscribe to those communities on other instances it doesn't matter.
That's the intended effect. With the current population on Lemmy/Kbin, most instances are still generalist in nature. People will naturally gravitate to the instance with admins who are best aligned with their personal needs, and I expect badly managed instances to simply turn into Voat and die out, as well as more topic specific instances like MTGzone or startrek website to pop up.
I have an account on lemmy.world, but when I ping it, I'm in the 100ms. I ended up on lemmy.ca where the ping is 3ms average, it makes a big difference in responsiveness.
To me lemmy.ca got my account because it uses a .ca domain so in essence we're supporting local... Or I guess national.
That's a terrible justification. lemmy.world is using Hetzner, and not a CDN whereas lemmy.ca is using Cloudflare, which is a CDN. Pinging is a terrible benchmark for comparing server performance.
What is a better way to compare server performance in this context? (Actually curious, sincerely asking)
One good way would be HTTP response times from the API, since that is not something that would be cached by Cloudflare at the edge.
I never said that lemmy.ca had more performance, I said the ping was lower and responsiveness was better.
Not to mention it has had severe secuirty issues and irresponsible mods.
The fuck did you just call this? The threadiverse? Nu-uh, fuck the meta fucks, this is the Fediverse.
Thats literally what it's called
Ah shit, I'll eat my crow. I'm new here, sorry for the ill-informed jackassery
It's not a bad name. It's the fediverse, but for threaded conversation. The threadiverse nickname has been floating around far longer than Meta's rushed Twitter clone.
So Meta stole the name TOO? Can we as a collective open source community legally tell Meta to fuck off?
Bro, "thread" has been used in a forum context since online forums were created, way before Meta's existence.
Please leave knee-jerk reactions on Reddit. There’s no reason to talk to people like that.
I'm really having hard time grasping what goes through people's minds when deciding to be so damn aggressive off the bat. We're all just trying to have a good time here.
Yeah, it’s completely unnecessary. People in real life are rarely this rude off the bat so idk why some folks think it’s okay to become such an edgelord when they sit behind a keyboard. Do they not realize there’s human beings on the other side of the screen?
/j
Threadiverse predates threads I'm pretty sure. Reddit is composed of threads, reddit fediverse being threadiverse makes sense. Maybe less so now though.
That's a good thing. Keep the fediverae alive without overemcumbering servers. That's what's so strong about it, we can keep growing without too much costs.
Probably a combination of things:
Yes, there were multiple problems in a row that got some people making accounts on other instances, and some people probably stuck with those.
There were some people who were angry that .world wasn't automatically defederating from Threads and said they were moving to other instances (or already had).
There were posts about the high .world growth not being a good thing, and more people should sign up on smaller instances. Undoubtedly not everyone who has recently started on Lemmy will like it and stick with it, so if other instances have more of the growth and .world has at least as much attrition, it will look flat or declining relative to others.
Probably other factors too.
I kind of think that's how it's supposed to go in my made-up-right-this-second knowledge of the evolution of open source Federated social media sites. Pick the largest/most active/most variety to get your feet wet and make any weird mistakes you need to make in a crowd where you're one of many and sheer speed of posting means you'll be forgotten in like, hours. Then you get comfortable and see if this is a forever-fit or just a okay-right-now fit.
I mean, I hard-bond to my first and pretty much settle immediately for life unless something is seriously awry, but even I made a backup in another one that I mirrored all my favorite communities in and I am seriously getting one more in a smaller, more specialized server. Yes, I do get the point of Federated, you do not need to explain, but here's the thing: intellectually I know that actually, the population of the Fediverse is orders of magnitude smaller than reddit or pretty much any other social media site, but feelings do not agree: Reddit was like a large, slightly hostile country with a lot of states you avoided always but especially between dusk and dawn; the scope of Fediverse is like being on a very small planet in an expanding universe you can watch growing in real time and it never stops. It's great, but there's something very unsettling realizing you're eight servers from home surrounded by kpop or wake up to find you posted in three communities in servers you don't recognize at two AM and if you can get a reputation for that kind of thing.
My ADHD is living the dream, let's go, but I can see how it would throw people a little.
Question, does it matter? Arent we all part of this universe so it doesnt matter right? Im still sorta confused how all this stuff works.
I signed up for TTRPG network, not realizing I also can access Lemmy through it! To be honest I don't know a lot about how the fediverse works at all but so far I like what I'm seeing. Reminds me of reddit circa 2009. In fact, I think this is going to replace my use of Reddit altogether, as it definitely serves the purpose of providing endless content to scroll to.
lemmy.world seems pretty saturated.
I'm having massive problems with Connect on mobile. I can see my feed but can't vote or post. Every time I try it says, "user not logged in". Hopefully whenever that's smoothed over I can contribute more.
There was a server reset a few days ago when the Lemmy hack happened, mods logged everyone out. I had the same issue on Connect and logging out and back in fixed it.
Yeah, I switched over to another server simply because lemmy.world was slow and then got compromised with the whole injection thing. No other reason.
Can someone explain this like I’m an idiot (because I am)? This sounds like at some point I’m going to need to create a new account because shit will get too….popular? Dafuq? I downloaded Voyager, spent a bajillion hours looking for communities to add to my feed because fuck Reddit, and this conversation is scaring/confusing the shit out of me.
Thanks
Deep breath, it's all good!
.world was having trouble because it grew really really fast (like it's only existed for about six weeks at this point), and the Lemmy software had never been tested with the sorts of numbers we very suddenly saw during the Reddit migration. So naturally there were performance problems, as nobody had ever run a Lemmy instance that large.
A few instance admins put their heads together and figured out various fixes and optimisations, and now it's running fine. Maybe we'll get into more issues down the road, that's just the nature of being the first to try something new. But it's nothing to panic about, think of it more like you're a brave pioneer into an exciting new world :D
Well I mean when you have connectivity issues and authentication issues making you unable to log in, I more than get it. It's all well and good though as I hope Lemmy takes off. Growing pains is all!
Well this is good. It makes much more sense to spread out. I'm glad to see people stick with it and move to another instance instead of just quit altogether.
This instance took a "wait and see" stance to Meta. It lost a lot of subreddit modteams when it did, who are now pushing their userbases to the comms they've made in other lemmys by putting up links and sticky posts in their old subreddits.
I have several subreddits where our teams argued internally about it, we were mostly in support of coming here until the instance was soft on Meta.
This sequence of events makes a lot of sense.
First, when leaving Reddit, people are going to gravitate towards one of the larger instances. That's what I personally did. I don't think I'd say I fully understand Lemmy and the Fediverse now, but I've been here long enough to now know more about how the instances thing works.
So second, as the userbase grows and people stay for longer, they learn how this place works. And third, if they dislike moderation or direction or server performance or what have you, they have enough experience to start from another instance or frequent it more and this less.
I expect we'll see other communities start to grow now, while the larger ones stay relatively constant.
There are a number of tools that monitor the fediverse. Here's one. The thesis does not appear to be correct though. As lemmy.world's monthly active users is stabalizing, Lemmy as a whole is declining.
I just signed up for a more local instance, but I've been looking for an easier way to swap over my subscriptions
I made a tool to do this: https://github.com/CMahaff/lasim
Also handles blocks and profile settings.
FYI if you are on a very small instance you may need to run it twice because of: https://github.com/CMahaff/lasim/issues/13
Oh, that's SUPER useful! Thank you
Had the same problem, and someone pointed me to lemmy_migrate by wescode on github, and it worked well. Although it do require a recent version of python installed
can you use the same username, or once it was registered in one instance, it cannot longer be used in other instances?
As long as nobody has already taken it on the other instance you can reuse user names.
So if multiple people with the same username from different instances comment in a post, would they differentiate from each other or will it look like the same person?
Depends on what one are using to browse lemmy with. I'm currently using voyager and it seems to show all as just their username, but for example now while replying to you, it shows that I'm replying up [email protected], so I could use that to differentiate you from [email protected] in that way. But no way to confirm if the lemmy.ml is just you on a different instance
You can
So I have a vague understanding of this.
I tried going to another server when I read something about a lemmy instance turning down FB. I go there and I'm prompted to make yet another account to use that instance.
Does this mean, that I need to make a new log-in per instance, per server just to use it? If so, that's entirely exhausting for me to keep track and I already have an abundance of accounts as is, to where I had to make a document that records every account with every password. We need an internet where it's less of that.
Hey, you're getting some well-meaning but quite confusing answers on this so I'll try and sum up:
There are other reasons to have multiple accounts, for example I have one account that is mostly subbed to gaming stuff and then I have this account that is mostly subbed to crafting stuff, because I like to have the two separate subscription feeds. I did the same thing over on Reddit, on Mastodon, etc etc. Some people have a dedicated NSFW account. Whether you personally have a use case for multiple accounts, or whether you personally want to steer clear of any potential future federation with Threads, is up to you.
Maybe it would be confusing to add this but your second point could clarify that you can interact with any other instance so long as:
For instance (accidental pun), I believe behaw.org is/was defederated from lemmy.world. Additionally, I believe I heard that lemmy.world defederated from lemmy.online (the reddit spam instance).
I know my instance is also currently discussing defederating lemmy.online among other choices
Yeah I generally leave the whole defederation nonsense for a followup when it seems like someone needs the bigger picture explanation, otherwise things get lengthy. But you are technically correct, which we all know is the best kind of correct.
That's fair, I tend to get too technical in my explanations anyways. Completely fair if you left that piece out for simplicity
Lemmy.online was taken down, from what I can tell. Pretty much everyone told that admin what he was doing was a bad idea and something that no-one wanted. Most instances defederated the site and I think he gave up.
I think a key point that a lot of people don't understand is that data from communities on different instances doesn't replicate to your instance unless a user cross-subscribes to that specific community. If you build an instance and want ![email protected] to show up on your instances ALL feed, you have to subscribe to it with at least one account by browsing to [email protected]/c/[email protected] and hitting the sub button. Only then will the content replicate.
Server federation between two instances doesn't magically connect all the communities, but once the users have subbed, they'll be able to see the content they want to see on these smaller instances. The process to get all the data replicated over is just a little more convoluted than it should be.
You need a password manager like Bitwarden
Whoa, you repeated the same phrase multiple times but didn't really say anything of substance. Can you help us understand what it is about pw mangers that you are worried about?
You misunderstand why password managers are a necessity. If a website you are signe sup on get a security breach, your password may be exposed. If you use same password across multiple websites that's a huge problem. And without a password manager you undoubtedly will be using the same password multiple places.
Is this from a copypasta?
... if it isn't already, it really should be.
here for the first native Lemmy copypasta
What a bizarre and misguided over-reaction to a simple suggestion.
This entire rant reads completely out of touch. You lose nothing by trying one. Run a test. You may be surprised.
So.... You're saying there's a chance?
No. You 'can' log in to each individual server if you want, but, because Lemmy is Federated you don't need to. Pick a home-base and you can interact with all the others (that aren't defederated). (Edit: tip - choose an instance that shares your interests for your home-base. It may make things more comfortable for you in the future.)
In practice, this means instead of clicking another instance you just Search:All and subscribe to what ever Lemmy communities you're interested in. Annoyingly this can mean duplicate communities (think r/cute, r/aww, r/pics, r/pictures, r/awwnopitbulls, r/awwcute....) but this downside is easily tolerated. Post and comment on other federated communities as you wish.
This is how mastodon works, you need account on each instance to follow it all and post there.
On lemmy you can have account on one instance and follow and post in all federated communities. Still doesn't solve following "local" from several instances but is already much easier.
Also apps like liftoff store your login to different instanxes and it's quite smooth to switch feeds.
I reckon it can be possible to compartmentalize by topic with several accounts (for example a .world account only for news and politics, a lemmy.ml one for tech and laughing at reddit, a third one elsewhere for memes, each of them subscribing to different communities on all the instances)
I'm not 100% sure but I think threadiverse means the part of the fediverse that has Reddit-like threads, e.g. Kbin, Lemmy, etc.
In the interests of making you feel awesome about your level of knowledge, you should know this is in fact correct!
It's threadiverse
I like the big instance in my country, the local section is nice to browse on its own.
I'm not using lemmy as much because theres no RES
What features from RES do you miss? Maybe we can get them incorporated into lemmy
Full keyboard navigation (j and k to focus up and down posts, u to go to user profile, c to enter comments…) including toggling expandos, and regex keyword filtering for me.
RES style keyboard navigation is in progress, see https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy-ui/pull/1892
I created a userscript here https://github.com/vmavromatis/Lemmy-keyboard-navigation maybe it suits your needs for now...
Thanks will take a look!
This, I don't get why stuff in RES was never implemented into Reddit proper
Because Reddit implemented "New Reddit" instead...
Have you checked out kbin? It has some of those features, and you can sub to lemmy communities with it. It also allows you to follow users, which lemmy doesn't seem to do. But you can't save posts at kbin, which is something I use a lot.
Edit: literally just discovered you can save comments and posts, at least here. I don't know if that's new or if I missed it somehow.
so lemmy web does have colored children, are you not seeing them?
Infinite scroll is in progress https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy-ui/issues/878, though the devs are against it and I agree with them, however they tend to be pretty chill about other users adding things if they are off by default.
I love that theyre thinking about calling out research pointing to it being potentially harmful to mental health rather then refusing to implement it or implementing it without thought
That's a big thing for me. I'm using it almost exclusively mobile because of a lack of RES clone.
Cus lemmy world is still bugged after the hack...
That's part of the design, isn't it? Basically so no instance has dominance.
In a lot of ways, I’m happy to hear this. A lot of communities will thrive without the intervention of a central power.
Some communities will become toxic, and it will be up to the individual to figure out whether that’s for them or not- but at least they have a choice.
/r/fatpeoplehate inspired me to lose 135 LB. It wasn’t a bad subreddit.
Granted /r/coonworld /r/chimpout we’re both…Jesus Christ… but at least even the most vile of people had a voice.
I'd like to see your data. A nice graph would be especially useful.
Me whenever I submit content to the Social Bookmarking Fediverse.
The theis here does not really appear to be correct. Comparing MAU here, lemmy.world's MAU is flatter than the entire Lemmy platform's, implying that other platforms are seeing users drop off at a faster rate.
I moved over to lemm.ee when .world was loading really slow. Still here, no reason to go back really.
Yeah lemm.ee runs really good, great admin there, also a contributor, but shhh, don't tell anyone, don't want it to get overcrowded.
I'm still not sure I understand how communities and instances work.
If I create an instance here will it show in other instances? Because I did create one on Lemmy world and I can't see it in the other instance I am at with my other account, even though I look at "all"
When you create a new community, other instances don't automatically know it exists yet. They find out when the first person from there, searches for your community (search syntax is given in the community sidebar:
!community@instance<-- note the ! at the start). Once someone subscribes, it shows up in that instance's All feed.To get the word out to other instances you can post in the various relevant communities as well as make sure to drop the link into any relevant conversations where people might be interested in checking it out. Since you have at least two accounts, if you create a community on one of your instances you can also use your other account as a shortcut and search for it yourself on the other instance.
Some useful communities are:
I see what you did there... 😏 Good advice though!
Excellent! It's like old days php forums but you have feeds from other forums too.
It's a bit scary though that you can have whole lot of content and a whole community but it's all up to the single instance host if they want to drop it from one day to another.
Lemmyworld is an instance. The other one with the other account is also an instance. You do not create an instance on an instance.
You create a new instance by setting up a new web server and having it run lemmy for users to sign on to.
Content propagation’s another issue.
Sorry. I meant that I created a community in one instance and can't see it in an other
Someone from that other instance needs to look for your community for it to show up on that instance.
Here's your hopium: 💉
(It was actually crack cocaine)
Lemmy.world seems broken at the moment...
Haven't seen a really recent update though.
@[email protected]
You out there? What's up, man?
How so? Seems to be fully functional to me at the moment
It's completely completely broken for me on what I believe are the most current versions of both Jerboa and Liftoff... Let's me browse as anonymous and try to sign in ... And it acts like it works but it doesn't... Maybe that's an app problem but I've seen no updates yet from either and idk
Mine was doing this on jerboa until i updated the app.
No update for Jerboa was available for me
I had the problem too after jerboa updated itself. I logged out and logged back in again and that fixed it.
No issues here on connect
There were some issues on connect on the last (1 or 2) days, but they seem solved since yesterday, I think.
Maybe connect is ahead of the curve
Seems like it may be starting to work
Seems to be working on connect with no issues. Just tried liftoff which had an issue but resolved after relogging.
I wonder how much of this is just stale sessions everywhere due to the hack. Works perfect on every app I can get my hands on but I was intentional on logging out after we got the all clear.
Broken even in Voyager (fka wefwef)...
Interesting. I am using Voyager to browse lemmy.world, even made this comment using it.
May I know the issue you are facing?
Things seem better today... I think there must have been something updated or fixed but I haven't seen a post about it yet.
I'm having the same issue. I can only log in on Firefox. Chrome instantly logs me out as soon as I log in. I cleared the cache multiple times
And cookies ? I had to clear cookies after the hack the other day.
Yeah, cache, cookies, sync, google account, literally everything I could clear through settings. I guess I could try reinstalling the browser but that's ridiculous
My lemmy.world accounts been completely broken since the exploit. It wont it me log in on the browser (chrome) or either of my apps (jerboa, liftoff), so I think I'm gonna stick with sh.itjust.works
I moved off lemmy.world after looking for a large-ish server in the same country as me, and the difference in load times has been really quite impressive.
I've created multiple accounts and tried different instances out. If I am representative of the general population, I thought I had settled on one and then changed my mind like a week ago. A lot of it had to do with lag. If you can't use the thing, you try to use the other thing, and back and forth. I think it's a bit early to draw any conclusions from anything right now. Any software update or hack could turn things around at any moment. But, then again, maybe not. It's a maybe, maybe not situation.
Yeah, it was really buggy recently, so lots of people just switched instances
I made an alt on a smaller instance when all the trouble with lemmy.world was happening, and I was thinking of making the alt my main, but I'm too lazy to port all my subscribed communities over, so this is still where I'm gonna be. I still browse from my alt sometimes, because the feeds are different.
There's a script that can do the migration for you someone even mentioned it in this comment section. Edit: https://github.com/wescode/lemmy_migrate
Also gonna throw my option out there: https://github.com/CMahaff/lasim
Handles blocks, subscriptions, and profile settings.
Prolly also some people who heard about this fediverse thing and signed up to the most obvious instance and lost interest when it wasn't just like the old site.
They’re tamping down on bot accounts I think
Lemmings.world is open to anyone if y'all want to be on a smaller instance!
Yeah. It's better to have it a bit more spread out anyways.
Who are the best users? The ones that help you troubleshoot for free... 😂 ...reddit mentality
Begone
You begone noob, it's been called that since before threads.
I'll take it. It's not like I'm trying to pretend otherwise.
Well, to be fair that's quite a coincidence.
It's not a coincidence. Threads are a forum thing. This is a thread.
It's literally called threadiverse
Threads has nothing to do with it. Comment threads have existed long before any of the platforms we use today.
Come to shitjustworks, they have defederated just with the most extreme instances and they are very nice m8s.
Probably shouldn't have such a stupid name.
Why are you even here?
All your little friends in 6th grade must be so impressed by you. That's cute.
Seems like it wouldn't be a huge loss to defederate from
seal.cafehttps://joinfediverse.wiki/FediBlock#Main_Blocklist:~:text=2022%2D11%2D26-,seal.cafe,-2022%2D08%2D24
@[email protected] @[email protected] might not be a bad idea. Clearly just trolling the platform.