2024 is going to be the beginning of the end of us all
No I’m not catastrophising.
The world is slowly lurching towards a fully fascist led America, India, Hungary, Russia, Netherlands, Germany, Italy and Argentina.
Instead people are either ignorant or blaming “wokeism”* for their problems.
I have no clue what to do and this is literally a car crash in slow motion.
I’m despondent because I’m going to be crushed under the boot when the time comes and my morals get in the way of my survival instinct.
Humans are repeating the mistakes of the past. It’s just so anxiety inducing.
*Woke is a useless term promulgated by fascists to dog whistle the things they really want to hate - feminism, socialism, LGBTQIA+, immigration, brown/black people, equality and diversity.
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I hate to say this but I've honestly just gotten used to the idea at this point. I've been watching the people around me howling in support of fascism since about 2015 now and the more egregious these politicians crimes become the louder these idiots seem to howl for them. It's been going so long that it's just part of the background noise of day to day life now, and I'm tired of caring anymore. It's fucking depressing.
How can we convince people now is the time to act? What more information do we need? I think most people are clinging to the idea everything is business as usual. As long as they can keep the lights on they wouldn't want to upset the stability they've managed to make for themselves.
As a Russian who's been thinking about what could've been done about Putin's many moves towards authoritarianism, I say this: I don't know. I dint think anyone knows either.
indsight is 20/20, so good luck trying to convince people to act now, before the far and distant future is here; it's probably part of our nature to not be that much concerned with the long-term, as it's the short- to mid-term that keeps us alive, i.e. fed, sheltered, hopefully healthy etc.
At this point, it feels like history is indeed very cyclical, at least society is, and now anyone left of outright fascism seems to be in minority, with many others either failing or refusing to recognise what's likely coming. I don't think it's new, either - I'm sure people of our ages had things to compare their situation to during the Nazis' rise to power and subsequent events, just like we look back to their times and wonder how in the world could we possibly let that happen.
It's probably best to vote and to protest and to be politically active and all that, before the right-wing or some other authoritarian group manages to manipulate its way into your government, local or higher, and start doing all it can to make you not even think of voting or protesting or being politically active. The caveat is you just don't have any guarantees that any of that is going to work.
What's even more important to remember is the fact that we cannot come up with some universal solution that's going to always work the best way possible in every political and economical and social circumstance. This is what makes recording history and experience so important - it will allow us and those that will be after us to analyse the multitudes of factors and tendencies that lead to things and hopefully figure out reliable and effective and predictable mechanisms for society to function and prosper in mutual respect, egalitarianism, support, etc.
My last take is probably a little controversial: I think we shouldn't ostracise people we see as fascist or right-wing or authoritarian, etc., but rather be welcoming and supporting, giving them respect, community and opportunity to speak and be listened to with kindness and understanding; many turn to violent and inhumane ideologies because, well, they don't value themselves, feel threatened, humiliated, afraid, or something along these lines. It doesn't have to be true, because it's about how people feel, and we must work with how people feel and influence that on emotional level so they feel like they being in a group that's based on being "anti-woke" or just "anti-" something - that's a dead end; they should feel like they belong to groups that envision future and prosperity, where people know they can be trusted and can trust, where they can respect and be respected. You may not like it, but you have to understand that the human psyche can be very flexible and eventually turn a person you could easily turn into a human-loving ally into a bloodthirsty fascist just because they couldn't find their place anywhere else, so instead they're easily picked up by a group that manipulates confused and lost people into a sense of community and belonging.
Fascism has to be the unappealing option for them, and that requires a mind healthy from trauma and loneliness, the lack of that feeling like you've been played and robbed of something you own - like some great historical period the mouthpieces promise to get you back into if you yell at teenage girls for wearing bright-colored hair and rainbow pins.
I agree with your controversial take, however it's important to note that a lot of this fascist rhetoric relies on misinformation which is spread far quicker and further than the truth. And the neofascism that has taken hold is very in-group oriented (i.e. the concepts that the in group is by definition morally virtuous and thus can do no real harm, whereas the out-group is the opposite) which is difficult to break down with logic and rhetoric. That's not to say it can't be done, but in terms of conversion (purely as a metric, i don't mean to be oberly reductionist) it will always be one step forward three back. And if they people don't approach a conversation in good faith it can be downright impossible to get them to even fathom a differing perspective. What I'm saying is that the new breed of fascists rely solely on dogma and groupthink, and have been trained to reject any rebuttal or outside perspective. They took what the old fascists did well and optimized it and trained people in it for the past 70+ years.
Just look for people on the fence for voting and help convince them that it's worth it.
That's all you can do until you have to start shooting Nazis coming to murder you.
You can always go extreme and start guerrilla warfare ala IRA. Political murder has always gone a long way up until civil war starts. Just don't be surprised when they start murdering back. It's why voting is so important.
I understand how you might feel this way. But a key difference to the early 1930s is that there are many large-scale protests against far right extremism in Germany. The elections in the Netherlands did produce a right wing tendency, but there is no government as of yet and the PVV is still pretty far away from fascism. The other three large winners of the election are not even that right wing. At least no more than the party that ruled for the last 15 years.
That said, I do kinda hope that this phase passes quickly and that people will start to finally get along and care about our fellow humans. Even though we never have.
The protests in germany give me hope that the german public finally resists against fascism instead of just letting it happen and then saying "there's nothing that could have been done" afterwards
I expect the US will hold out for at least the next 4.5 years. After that, no promises.
4.5 years is optimistic with an election pending
I expect that the US will last five years, what's the bet?
Well, at least that will take your mind off global warming. Which is good since we have already hit 1.5°C of warming.
1.5 and we're just getting started! Let's goooooo! It's incredible what humans can do when we work together 🔥👏🏻🔥👏🏻🔥
You are a horrible person to make me laugh so hard at our folly
I'm only 18 and I'm already so fucking tired of existing in this world, seems like everything is going downhill and I'm just gonna be forced to live in an authoritarian dictatorship world where all the air is full of toxins and the water is full of plastic
I hate thinking so negatively about the future but the more the world seems to crumble around me the more I feel like we might be one of the last generations of humans that got to experience civilisation for a long time.
The planet is dying, fascism is spreading, the tensions are rising, and everyone has nukes! woo! future!
You forgot to mention end stage capitalism to further enrich the 1% and corporations.
that's part of the "planet is dying" bit, since nobody who can do something about it is doing anything
On the positive side a world ravaged by nuclear war could solve both problems!
Yay.
TIL. The Federation already exists. We just aren't communist enough to get the immortality beam and reality bomb engine.
Look on the bright side: it's not as if this will continue forever. If our infrastructure is failing as deeply as it seems, society will reach a breaking point. The real question is where that point is and making sure you reach it. If it truly gets bad enough we'll see the return of the guillotine, maybe even literally if we're feeling spicy
I don't think that's what he meant. As far as I understood his comment he meant using the guillotine in the French way.
However you're right. It will get very bad before it gets good again.
My sector. It is worse than you think and I am scared of quitting.
The French Revolution wasn't what pop-history suggests. It was a genocidal civil war that killed far more commoners than nobles. There was a point where they were killing so many people, the only way they could keep up was to drown them en masse by chaining them to a barge and sinking it.
Just do what you can. Don't join the army and minimize your contribution to fascist government. Put your efforts locally where you can :)
Woke is a hijacked term by the facists it literally means to be socially aware of the problems faced by different people in a society
It worries me too and I've been thinking a lot about margaritas, I've been sober for four years so its troubling thoughts of alcohol are creeping back in. I don't know what else to say. Need a hug?
Wish I could give one
Are you going to the meetings?
What fucking meetings? For my alcoholism or for my depression about the future?
...If there's any for the latter can I get a hookup?
I think this is the meeting.
Hi everybody, my name is Zink @programming.dev and I am a democracyholic.
Hi Zink
https://aa-intergroup.org/meetings/
On line AA meetings. 24/7. The only requirement to go to AA is a desire to stay stopped. If you think your depression is going to make you drink, come talk about it.
SMART Recovery is a non-Christian substance abuse support group. Though it can be difficult to find an in-person meeting because AA is so prevalent.
https://meetings.smartrecovery.org/meetings/
I'm in NA meetings on discord. There's also a big God involved but just try to look besides that. They're open ans very welcome to anyone that wants to stop
AA is a Christian support group, if you don't believe in their God they won't help you.
If you look at the site I provided, you'll see that they have plenty of atheist/agnostic meetings [labelled 'secular.']
They also have a lot of LGBTQ+ meetings, as well as men only and women only options.
AA suggests people try to find a Higher Power of their own understanding.
These are religious meetings for addicts and alcoholics. The atheist and agnostic meetings are well-meaning but they talk about gods even more than at the non-secular meetings.
I am however delighted it works for you.
Yes it literally is. Or at the very least you have to "submit yourself to a higher power"
That's one of the steps yeah. And it's recommended to follow all steps but nobody is forcing you. You can just go as you want and try to follow the other ones as much as possible. Also a higher power could mean different things if you're creative enough.
Anything I have learned from history classes is that this cycle of fascism/dictatorship and democracy has always been going on, people are dumb -> they choose fascists -> fascist gonna fasc -> ppl get fed up -> uprising/protests -> government overthrown after tons of bloodshed -> some sort of constitutional bind on rulers/elections -> some peace -> dumb ppl forget everything and chose fascists again -> repeat
I think you forgot the part where capitalism makes peoples life worse and worse, while at the same time conservative media blames the left for it, even if they are the cause.
Because in the End people dont vote for fascists because its funny, but because they believe they can get them out of a shitty situation (Fascism doesnt do that obviously, but people get blinded by propaganda).
We wouldnt have this issue today if politicians werent all neoliberal and actually cared about poor people.
The human race we have an insane ability to forget history
You need history classes that cover more than the little fart of time known as the 20th century.
Well I only studied the history part which was mandatory in my school, so it was naturally not very in-depth or far back, only standard topics like the World wars, french and russian revolutions etc
I have hope for Germany. The past few weeks we had enormous protests(over 3m people protested in total) and multiple petitions against fascists and the AfD(the party that literally want to deportate everyone who isn't "German"(this means even if you have a German passport, but came from another country youre going to get deportated)) had blown up. Their youth organisation is now officially a right wing extremists organisation. I still have hope, that we may save our country before it's to late.
Just to give you a bit of a morale boost: every generation thinks they're the last ans that everything is about to go to shit. In the end that never really happens.
Yes, a lot of right wing politicians have beek elected, also all previous ones have failed and got kicked out. For the Netherlands I predict the government will fall within a year as it typically tends to do when the leaders fuck up and this guy will likely fuck up soon enough.
Basically, this too shall pass.
Climate change is indeed a big cloud mainly because it will take centuries to fix even if we're going to fully dedicate ourselves to fixing it, which right now we are not. On the other end I finally hear about actual progress with fusion which, if true, may be the key to solving climate change within a century, solving it to acceptable levels within decades, if the will is there.
Point is: things look bleak, but they always do. Back during the cold war it literally was same shit, different day. Yet, the world moved forward and things slowly improved.
Things will be fine, you will be fine.
Your take on climate change makes me more worried. Sure, I will probably be fine, but how many innocent people around the world will die until we've done enough to see the climate improving?
How horrible is the world going to be to inhabit if the Gulf Stream collapses? Or other major climate disruptions occur?
I don't doubt the human race will survive, but why do we have to experience the pain before committing to fixing the problem?
For your last comment, I think it's because pain is one of the only things that motivates us
While I'd like to think the wealthiest would do something that would benefit everyone, they can just build walls, or move to higher ground.
The poor tropics are especially screwed. Also all the cities on the coast
And there's optimism in climate change, zeroing our carbon burn is straight forward. It wouldn't take a decade if we could agree on the sane path
But we have pushed so much CO2 into the air, and so much heat into the sea we need to do better than zero. I'm pretty pessimistic
Thanks, I guess part of being an adult is just being more and more indifferent to the gradual decline of the world so that the crippling dread does not consume you.
Explains why my parents are still asking for grandkids.
Not at all
doubt.
We should be more concerned about the attitude of the billionaires and the politicians they own.
Things often get a whole lot worse before they get better. People thought things were on the brink of turning to shit in the 1930s, and then we had a world war for 6 years. Tens of millions of people died, countless more were displaced, cities were leveled, and history was lost.
I admire your optimism, but I can't ignore that the world and even my country specifically look more and more like a powder keg with every passing day. I'm terrified that we can't get to "fine" again without first suffering through an extremely dangerous period of time, and there's no guarantee that any of us will be "fine" during that time.
We haven't had a world war since WW2. We haven't got two likely sides now. China owns too much of the West, Russia is no longer credible
About 3.76% of the worlds population died due to WWII, or about 300MM people if scaled to today. For those people, the end really did happen.
With NATO being threatened by a malicious US presidential candidate, along with Putin getting express approval to go ape by the same, I'm actually quite worried WWIII is more possible than ever in my adult life (I was only a child during the cold war).
Nuclear war is no closer now than it was during the cold war. Everything then was on a hair trigger. Now it'll just take a psychopath in charge, and no one willing to ignore the order in the command structure
No things wont be fine. At least for me and many others anyway.
I’m sorry you can’t see that yet.
There is an underclass of angry, often white, men who are frustrated at their life and instead of directing their rage at the capitalist system, which is responsible for the position they are in, they’ve been told immigrants, socialism, feminism, LGBTQIA+ and brown people are the problem.
They are now organising to make their fictional narrative reality and I will be crushed when this happens along with millions of others, like you, who thought this could never happen again.
The tragedy is that those same men who think they’ll be empowered by fascists will be swept aside the moment they are no longer useful. They are victims to an extent too, just that they will have enacted violence and terror while being wrong.
Be careful of the slippery slope fallacy.
If they ever secure power my fate is basically sealed. I’ve accepted that.
It’s not slippery slope to be clear eyed about reality.
That's not certain and them getting absolute power also isn't.
So to me it sounds a bit like the arguments that they like to use. Like:
Technically maybe that could happen, but there are many other things that could also happen and that you are failing to consider.
If Modi, Trump, La Pen, Orban aren’t elected/reelected perhaps I’d change my view but I don’t have good reasons for thinking those things won’t happen.
If you believe that if those people are elected and it won’t lead to more fascism then I’m not sure what to say.
The most likely way I can see the fall of America is through a breakup of the federation. If you're in a bad state it could be bad
Well, I'm not sure which out-group you're a part of to conclude this. I don't think things are that bleak. For most of the out-groups being targeted, a coalition exists in the urban areas where they'll at least be tolerated. A bastion of progressives or people with common identities to rally around. It's hard to imagine places like NYC, LA, etc. otherwise.
But this is why I hate politics. Everyone who organizes, screws around with power. I don't believe there's any "side" that will stand with me in a time of need, or any group to rally around. The only people who will stand for my interests is myself and the few people I can persuade. If you're this alone, the only thing you can really do is try not draw attention. Don't even bother voting.
I suggest target practice, that way you won't get crushed by boots....and you can resist any fascist in your area, and encourage others in your immediate area to do the same.
Start a club, and then you can hold parties, where you show each other new knowledge, and help others to protect themselves....and fight against all the fascist hordes!
This isn't Red Dawn. People will quickly find out how inadequate they are against a military.
When real conflict begins domestically it will be drones being used by those in power. Guns won't do much good.
But odds are it won’t be the military. At least, not at first. It will most likely start with all those right-wing punisher-worshipping nutters who want an excuse to shoot ‘the liburlz’, with local cops either helping out or staying out of the way, and the government conveniently ignoring everything. Or at least, that’s how it’s tended to go in the past.
(See kristallnacht, Tulsa race massacre, Wilmington massacre, Rosewood massacre, Ocoee massacre…)
And those local assholes can be repelled with guns.
John Brown gun club or Socialist Rifle Association are out there... also there are plenty of paramilitary and social fascist groups to protect yourself against. Proud boys, border nutjobs, don't listen to naysayers about learning to defend yourself. It's not just military with tanks and planes. It's your back the blue neighbor you have to worry about...
alright now im really confused. how does the world devolving into fascism bring complete anarchy? aren't those completely different things?
May i present to you:
the antifacist handbook, free to download/read (in different formats like pdf/epub/html/plaintext):
https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/mark-bray-antifa-the-antifascist-handbook
Thanks for this, reading now.
I’ve also been busy reading the history of the rise of the Nazi party particularly the SA.
It’s scary (scary is not a strong enough word for the combined emotions of frustration, anger, fear, anxiety) how close current USA events are replicating the original rise of Nazi Germany.
Even current German events are replicating the rise of Nazi Germany. But many people are too blind to see...
Yeah, it's so sad. Before inflation and all the other shit, nobody cared about fascist, but now they're like
"Oh hey, that are so easy solutions to my severe Problems, I don't care if they discriminate a minority or a group of people. Let's vote them!"
Just to realize that they would change nothing - they will make it worser - and install slowly but surely their fucking pervert dictatorship.
You mean the problems the fascist just made up and actually aren't a really problem
It's happening in France too. Are the fascists roaming the streets to beat leftists and Arabs in your country too?
Only in the east and rural areas. So far.
We'll see how it shakes out this year, but here are some positive thoughts...
2017 was the high watermark for facism's popularity in the US. They couldn't help themselves and went masks off in Charlottesville, and their movement has never recovered.
Facism's rise is always reactionary to rising socialism. If the rural petite bougausie and the New York Times are pushing for facism then that's because they are worried workers are gaining power and will come to take what they have. They're worried we are getting organized and winning victories.
Conservatives are currently extremely demoralized. Go check out their boards and discords. I've never seen them this universally depressed. Then don't think they can win and they aren't excited at the prospect of trying only to fail.
Hmmmm I also frequent white supremacist sympathising discord and my general take away is that they are more desperate and more willing to take violent action to align reality with their views.
Of course this is only anecdotal so it’s kind of a moot point.
I’d be more confident in your opinion if there wasn’t a prevailing view that America will reelect Trump.
If trump isn’t elected it may not even stop fascism though.
Hitler was jailed before he rose to power, trump could very easily do the same. If I’m going to be optimistic about anything it’s the fact that Trump is very old and may not survive prison or the presidency for an extended period.
We'll see. I'm not sure I fully believe all the polling. Trump has a real shot at winning but I'd give the advantage to Biden by a large margin.
I hope you’re correct. I just don’t fully believe it.
I live in a red state. The neighbors are practicing more with their rifles. But this state used to be blue and has always been 2nd amendment centered (but not always gun worship, just everyone had them for hunting or home defense), so should be interesting if someone actually commits. Jan 6 kind of tipped their hand on how much of a clusterfuck that would be.
Also, read about the "trial" of Hitler. The judge was sympathetic as hell. So far our judges tell Trump to stfu.
Isn't your supreme court stacked to the hilt with Conservatives?
True but they were back before the election and those same conservatives he appointed told him to cram his election fraud narrative.
Plus it's just in favor of conservatives, not stacked completely.
Organize. The old world is dying, the new world is yet to be born. We are standing at a tipping point not only regarding climate change, but also regarding the future of humanity. It is up to us, how we act and how the new world will look like.
And even if we loose: Its harder to deport and/or kill you, if a bunch of other people got your back.
Yeah, I don't know about that.
Maybe we can still win against these fascist assholes
I think it sucks when you are forced to save the environment but the rich don't have to change their lifestyle at all. They should be the first to have to change since they affect the environment a lot more.
Guillotine is a solution. What aazes me is that they're living like it should be the only solution.
I don't even have the energy to keep resisting the endless flow of bullshit anymore. It gets worse from day to day. What bothers me the most is that it's gotten so bad that i turned apathetic to it. If someone starts spewing right wing bullshit i just zone out until they finished. In the end I won't be directly affected by a right wing leadership in my country but i still can't stand the idea. All the progress we have made in the last few years in terms of equality would just go to waste
Well, you know that famous quote where in the end there’s no one to fight for you when they come for you?
That's why i said directly. I will definitely be affected in some form at dome point
The UK won't be far behind. Our left leaning party is likely to get in at the next election, but the overton window has shifted faaaar in the past 10-15 years and today's labour may just be yesterday's Tories. Who's to say what tomorrow's Tories will be...
Remember, the second amendment is for everybody, not just MAGA chuds. :)
TIL the second amendment applies to everyone in the world.
I don't think I said everybody in the world, but that's okay, I forgive your stupidity
I guess if you're in one of the countries that banned guns for civilians you could write the fascists a strongly worded letter. I'm sure that will help.
but I was moreso referring to the state of things in the US where the left is seemingly paralyzed between "we have to get rid of all the guns! think of the children! won't somebody think of the children!" and "fascists are taking over, what the fuck do we do!?"
You said everybody without a context of a country, which implies everyone around the world, not everyone in the USA. It's okay though, I'll forgive your stupidity in forgetting there's people outside the US.
Fortunately for me I am from one of those countries. It's not like they've got guns either. Even if we did, what would people do? Start randomly shooting at people who we think are fascists?
If you look really hard and read carefully, you'll see I also said "the second amendment", which is popularly known worldwide as part of, specifically, the United States Constitution. If you squint, you can also see I mentioned "MAGA chuds" -- I don't think Donald Trump is running a presidential campaign outside of the US. Thereby indicating I was, in fact, specifically talking about everybody in the US, at least if you have two brain cells to rub together. It's okay, I won't hold it against you if you don't.
yes I'm sure the fascists will abide by the legal system they're... simultaneously working to dismantle or otherwise work around in order to destroy democracy. Yes. Definitely.
all that is needed for evil to prosper is for good men to do nothing.
You are 100% right, just hope nobody views you as the fascist or the 2nd might be used against you.
This isn't even a car crash brother it's like watching 8 separate trains collide
nice username
2024 is just 2020 part 5.
2024 is just 2020 4
Ahh the old inclusive vs. exclusive numbering.
2020 would be 2020 part 1, 2021 part 2, 2022 part 3, 2023 part 4, and finally 2024 part 5.
"Twenty-twenty-four is just twenty-twenty four."
Touche
You can add France in your list.
Our next leader will probably be a fascist, and the root cause is (to some degrees) our current government.
Don't underestimate the backlash. The big, mellower, center segment of the population that is generally more chill isn't in favor of fascist idiots.
Just, do what you can to help maintain motivation in the face of the fascist fear-train. Fear is their #1 tool, it's the emotion that underpins their whole worldview. Control is simply a response to that fear. Without that underlying current of fear, though, how do they get people to grant them control?
Don't overestimate it, either. Only about 1/3 of Germans were NAZIs even at the height of its popularity, but that didn't stop Hitler from being a dictator.
Resistance takes work, not just hope that reasonable people will somehow prevail just because they're the majority.
There is also a lot of people who are clueless or don't care about the world around them or even treat their ignorance as a sort of virtue. 1/3 of Germans being Nazis don't make the other 2/3 the resistance.
Much of it is a function of late stage capitalism and climate change. We know we can't change so we know we are doomed. The moral contract of society is completely broken.
My plan is to build a boat that is powered by solar panels. Generate enough electricity to move around the world and have power for making water, heat, cooking, air condition, my PC battle station, some greenhouse areas. Be able to build, maintain and repair everything myself and have enough spares to last until EOL. Just exit society, become an island and watch the nukes go off from the ocean. Welcome to ![email protected]
Probably humanity will muddle through somehow and after much genocide we'll learn.
That is a cool idea. Be sure to video document it so we have a real found footage horror film if things don't work out.
I have prepared the sacrifices to Nyctelios so I should be good
Not just late stage capitalism(which is really just a return to oligarchies)
You want to know how this is all being pushed: look into the "International Democrat Union"
It's led by the christian-fascist and former Canadian prime Minister Stephen Harper. He's giving them the aid and policy directives they're using to trick people into voting for them.
It's why Pierre Polievre, current leader of the federal opposition in Canada, wants to talk about anything other than India's assault on Canadian sovereignty. Because Modi, him and Harper are really tightly knit.
Thanks! I'm more concerned about the social democratic "leftists" though, ever since the "third way" it seems they have been completely captured all around the globe. Functionally this created the fertile ground for the fascism we see today. I'm not well educated how this ideological change is distributed, I can only infer it / speculate from the effects.
Nah, Harper and his Reform party spend two decades worming their way into Canadian politics by at first showing their hand in the late 1980s and early 1990s, then learning to hide it and play it slowly. Any time any of their cult played their hand in the 2000s it was always an "outburst" or "temporary error in judgement".
They then conned the existing sane conservative party into "merging" with their their smaller party, and through cheating the internal politics of the combined party and pandering to the GOP, got the funds to crush the sane conservatives at the federal level.
It has nothing to do with social programs. Has everything to do with a decades long plan to push politics rightward into accepting extremism.
I feel you, and with climate change it's not like we can just escape them and go else where their stupidity will be the death of us all.
The masses are asses.
Slowly?
(Don’t forget Israel!)
There's nothing you can do, at least outside of your local community. It's still possible to be a decent human being and help people with your own two hands.
At this point the only thing that would have stopped this would have been Joe Biden radically shifting to the left and laser-focusing on lifting the poor and middle class, to the extent that their new quality of life would make it unthinkable to vote Trump.
Instead, the opposite is true. Biden's spent the bulk of his time making arms deals and funding other countries' wars, and homelessness jumped 12% in 2023. Hell, in a year half of the US will have literally criminalized abortion in all cases, because Idaho got away with it already.
Fascism isn't some looming specter. It's here.
I am trying to transform my community into a stronghold of democracy, that is ready to defend itself. Works relatively fine so far.
Slowly?
puritan authoritarians are always empowered by the stupid.
People are powerless and the cash flow is working against the ones aware of it.
If only this was that simple. A "Democratic country" doesn't just wake up one day vote for a bad guy and become fascist. This has been happening all over the world for last few decades. All the past politician created few policies out of fear, out of ignorance, out of greed, and out of malice that edged us towards this. And now most of the people have accepted this blatant abuse of our freedom, our privacy, our democracy as just part of life. There is nothing that anyone can do to stop this. Because we don't bother reading EULA because we don't demand the companies the governments to do better we just sign away our rights our freedom because we have better things to do.
If I got through the end of the world in 2012 I can get through this
Joke? Some people say that the Mayans were right and the world did end in 2012; it's just that it takes a long time for a system this big to fully stop functioning
That still doesn’t make sense. The world didn’t end in 2016. We are still here.
Nothing magical happened in 2016 that hasn’t been happening for the last 50 years. It’s a slow grind to the bottom.
You could argue that 2008 was the end of the world or 2001. Both events has led the economic strife you’re seeing today which is really what collapse looks like. Both those events supersede anything that happened in 2016.
If anything this is a self fulfilling prophecy and nothing to do with Mayans. It’s a silly argument to make.
Edit: the Mayan calendar ended 2012. Not 2016. I can’t remember anything special happening in 2012.
I wrote 2016; meant to write 2012. Ooops
Harambe died in 2016, marking the real end of the world
That's is when things got extra fucked.
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I've been saying this since 2015.
Hermano!!
I remember talking to a friend a few days after Trump declared. She told me that she didn't want to have to think about Donald trump, ever.
Yes, fully agree, we're living in post apocalypse times :( Climate crisis will cause more casualties, and the rising fascism will do so as well. There's usual housing crisis, and the hyped A.I. as well among others.
In your list of countries you can add Belgium as well. In fact today it is hard to think of a country in Europe which has shown zero far right or fascism sentiments nowadays. It is difficult to focus on positive things but things like solidarity, keeping in touch with like minded people, de-growth, D.I.Y. and de-googling can help.
Hungary is seriously fucked up at the moment but calling it fascism is a huge stretch. It's not like these fuckers actually believe in anything, they'll just do whatever gets them the votes and the cash. Not that the tendencies aren't worrying (in fact I've left the country because of them), but it's not a full blown dictatorship yet. Source: am Hungarian.
i believe in anarchy
organize
It's really time to get organized before the cycle starts: I wasn't a Jew so I minded my own business, I wasn't a....
Anarchism is a complex web of horizontal structures, not the absence of structure.
None of which exist currently and won't be planned until after the overthrow of the system has resulted in another power grab and we end up in the same situation with a different hierarchy.
Stonks.
Seriously though, anarchy and whatever it means to you is purely theoretical in nature. "Anarchy is insert thing that's never existed and OP can't even explain in detail" is a useless statement, all you're saying is it's not what we have now and somehow it won't have any kind of vertical elevation of humans above one another.
We can all create fantasy utopias in our heads and claim they are or aren't whatever we want.
You can explain it, though. All I added was that it's not just an absence of structure, if you want to learn more there's lots of writings.
Nothing will ever change until this civilization collapses.
By letting people live how they want to live as long as they aren't raping people's lives and making slaves.
That's not really what Anarchy is, though. Anarchism is a web of structures like networks of Mutual Aid. It functions on gift economies and concepts like Direct Democracy.
The beginning was harmbe. 2024 is just how far we have strayed from God
Add France to your list mate. If it doesn't happen in 2027, it will happen on the next election cycle.
I find it fascinating that so many people realize that this happens but very few actually do something against it. I don't mean demonstrating, although that's a good thing and better than nothing, but what to do to fight fascism on a sustainable, more permanent level? Fight disinformation wherever you meet it, don't ever ignore it. Ever. Spray cans and large permanent pens are your friend in the beginning. No paroles. Truth. Do something for/ with the youth in your area, even if they laugh at you or ignore you, they WILL think about it in the end. Network. Talk to all kinds of people, again, no paroles, just listen to their problems, then lead them carefully on a way and let them decide themselves. Very many will come to a human conclusion. And make it clear to the rest, that the fascists will take their money first. Compare them to con men, because that's what they are. One last thing: "shock therapy" does NOT work (anymore). People filter much easier today. Any more suggestions? I mean real ones, not "shoot them all" BS
My parents are in their 80's and my wife is older than me and they are the only people who really matter to me. I don't have other family.
When they go I will go too. I don't see how I will be able to live on my own.
Don't forget Belgium, specifically in Flanders.
You forgot about the UK
history is repeating itself
Because all the vets have died off.
About the only palliative measure I can think about is to disengage from society completely, as it's no longer possible to correct it, and go live in the middle of nowhere until the planet eventually goes to hell. Or until society decides to go fully nihilistic and self-terminate.
All we have to do is unite. There's more of us than them. And we don't even have to protest or leave our homes. They all bow down to the mighty dollar, all we have to do is plan not to buy from 'company A' unless they 'insert world fixing demand that they're currently doing the opposite of' ' knock them down one by one. We could even pool together a dollar or two each, that's all we'd need if we got enough people together and buy ourselves our very own Politician!! We may even be able to buy them all back.... That's probably pipe dreams. We need to make Poole's union.
We have never successfully done that. Nestle is still out there doing their stuff
Hey, at least we are fighting them this time! But sure, if system-wide changes are not coming, more people will fall into the hands of the fascists.
Ok maybe Austria will get these fascist assholes in power. Thats bad because Austria is like a playground in politics if it could happen in Austria it could happen in Germany too and then everywhere else.
Don't forget Sweden
I don't know what is missed And at this moment, I am too afraid to ask
I don't know the politics of most of those places, but Russia and America definitely are not fascist. Oligarchy is not the same as fascism, though they are certainly good friends. America is no more fascist today than it was when our capitalists were helping out the Nazis. The government is not fascist, only our capitalists are pseudo fascist. The same is true in Russia.
Yeah you poor souls are truly living in an anti democratic fascist oligarchy and man I wish I could do something to help.. God save us all for what will happen when the time comes to pay for someone with weapons
we made it through the 1940s, we'll make it through the 2020s
I urge you to touch grass
This. Being engorged in a bubble can skew one's world view pretty badly.
For instance, if you're only in Lemmy, you might indeed start to think that the world is going to a nazi hell again and the only way to fix that is a communist revolution, comrades. Or if you're in Twitter, you might start to think that the woke mobsters are ruining the west, or whatever.
If you're on tiktok or youtube, you'll get the bubble you taught those things to be.
The center is probably still holding, and normal people in normal life are being normal.
You just have to step outside of your bubble to look at the world stepping into fascism. Putting your head in the sand or throwing your hands in the air isn't going to help.
What makes you so confident you're not the one in a bubble?
By seeing the sun shine and the birds tweet, real actual tweeting. Not sniffing Elon Musk's farts.
I urge you to quit responding with insulting cliches to people with legitimate concerns. You'd have been saying the same shit to Germans in 1938 who were worried about fascism.
It's not actually fascism, it's modern feudalism. The push for a more totalitarian government in all of the countries you mention is being funded by the super rich who want the working class to stay firmly under their thumb. And the plebes who are voting for the oligarchic candidates are really just voting to become serfs to their new lords and masters.
Fascism is capitalism in decay. It's governments run by the rich for the rich. It's the crushing of labor unions and it's choosing a scapegoat to blame the ills of your economy on. Fascism is exactly what we are seeing
Fascism is a violent protection of the Capitalist status-quo in which the bourgeoisie cements itself as the totalitarian rulers.
Fascism is quite a bit more complicated than that. What I described is the function of fascism, as well as the material conditions that result in it. You're describing the form.
Even better is watching liberals ignore it and ban everyone who tells them to arm up to defend themselves. This is seen as "advocating violence" because they think that fascists will be nice to them if they are nice to fascists.
It's interesting watching idiots like you thinking fascists will respect you for owning guns.
It's far more likely they'll murder you and your entire family in your own home for being perceived as a threat to their fascism.
It's the ones who won't fight back that survive.
Looks like we found one of the first targets
Where did I apologize?
My knowledge and ability to apply logic to a future scenario seems to have confused you as approving future scenario.
Based on this new knowledge, I can predict there is a 50/50 chance the fascists will successfully recruit you as a useful fool.
Morons are easy to brainwash.
Moving that prediction up to 80/20 in favor. Best you order yourself a pair of jackboots.
Yeah, well, the dichotomy exists because of the inability of the average human to appreciate nuance. No surprise it's become a fucking shitshow.
Why is this irrelevant nonsense on the memes community tho.
I don't feel this way because I don't watch the news.
If you watch that stuff, you are doing exactly what they earn money on. You being anxious, you clicking, you worrying.
You need to start focusing on your own life. Turn off that damn TV and stop watching news. What are you going to do next? Take a walk? Listen to music maybe? Watch a movie with friends? Eat cake?
Take back control of your emotions. Spend a day without watching the news. Can you even do it? Or will you become too anxious and worried by not knowing what's happening?
"it's not real if you just ignore it"
Or even
"They're just lying to you about it for views"
I'm sorry to inform you, but the world is going through very rough times politically, especially the US. Many things are exaggerated, or even entirely fabricated, for views, but many things are not. Some of the worst stuff, however, is stuff that is never even covered by the news, like Project 2025 or the stuff happening in the Midwest/southeast states. Putting your head in the sand helps no one, even yourself.
So what difference does it make if you watch it? You gonna go vote and end it all?
Believe it or not, you can do more stuff than just vote. However, you can do nothing about problems that you're unaware of, even if they're problems that affect you directly.
Like what exactly?
I seriously don't think people have any power to change anything at all. The game is completely rigged. I understand that people want to have hope that things can get better, but I don't see any sign of that.
I'm more like the guy who watches the titanic go down and enjoy the last year's before it sinks.
Yes. Let us eat cake.
That only works if you live in a place with a reasonable leadership.
Hi, Why do you think India is a fascist country? I believe its the most democratic country ever. However looking forward to your perspective.
From the perspective of age, we’re always careening one direction to another one potential catastrophe to another. It’s never pretty in the short term, in the small details. However from the larger perspective, the direction of society approximates a middle of the road direction.
For your own sanity, step back from the immediate details and see where we’re heading from a more safe distance
How old do you think I am?
I’m ancient by Lemmy standards.
Age has made me more aware that most adults have no idea what they are doing but think they actually do by virtue that they’ve survived to their 40’s and beyond. This makes them incredibly dangerous.
Oh well.
Whatever happens, happens.
Thought terminating clichés are not useful.
Nah, the world is doing fine, the US and Europe (edit: and their allies) are the ones collapsing.
India, China, Russia, Japan, Australia, Indonesia, Venezuela: Yeah, nothing to worry about!
Funny no-one on Lemmy mentions the middle east.
Lol, leading with China, a whole process democracy with a 95 percent approval rating for the government and sustainable economic growth
See edit.
Let's start with this: Can you do anything personally to save the world? I'm not talking incremental personal improvement rainbows and butterflies horseshit, I'm saying can you personally do anything to stop what is clearly a catastrophic trajectory?
If you can, do it. If you can't, which I believe nobody can at this point, it's time to stop worrying and live the life you have left.
Spend more time outside, learn to paint acrylics, go get some pussy.
Why torture yourself and live in misery? Why allow all the evil people trying to terrorize you to succeed? Fuck that noise.
Read this, it'll help: https://classics.mit.edu/Epictetus/epicench.html
"You can't do anything to personally fix this, so you might as well not worry about it"
I fucking hate this mindset. This mindset is the reason we are in this position. We can't just sit idly by and silently watch the right implement fascist policy and say "well, they were gonna try anyways, nothing we can do I guess".
Go do something then, dumbass. Bc you won't.
How do you expect to change someone else/world when you can't even change yourself?
This is really bad advice, you sound like a 15 y/o.
Ahh yes. The better advice is to protest and waste time. 😂
Behold, the unconscious class, pontificating about inner peace and enlightenment from their ivory tower of unearned privilege and willful ignorance
Its not about ignorance but being aware. Realising you can't change the external situation so you change what you can control.
So you instead choose silent complicity with injustice and evil? I can’t change geopolitics sure, but at the very least you can bear witness and raise your voice to make others aware. And then somebody else who sees that issue, might have the power to change something.
If we all said “Damn that sucks for George Floyd, but police unions and politicians are big and scawy institutions- let’s do absolutely fucking nothing and go on with our lives” that is moral bankruptcy.
Stop digging and admit you don’t care about others dude, there’s no good way out of this hole you built
Right now. I no longer have the energy to do what you say. The only thing I CAN do as individual is focus on my self.
I care about others, I also donate to charities, i care about.
Idk what you mean by "hole i built", it's not that serious as you are taking it to be.
I can't change your opinion about me (if you think, I'm evil) no matter how much I scream and yell. Everyone else sticks to their own positions in life, you and I are no different. It's hard to change someone else or make a difference without influence/power.
That's why its better to try and spend energy and time to create the life you want to live. Maybe then something can change and you may have the power to influence a small community/people.
I don’t think you’re evil, but this attitude is part of the problem that enables terrible people to get away with horrific acts. “Why didn’t the Germans stop the holocaust?” can be explained a lot of ways, but complicity and silence feature throughout the answers, along with the ghouls who encouraged it
For a while I did exactly as you are doing. I was super involved in tracking and witnessing police abuses and misconduct, watching the drip-drip-drip while the country sat idle - and you’re right, it’s super depressing to see an obvious issue and be unable to change it. I did step away for a while when it got overwhelming, but me ignoring a problem, simply permits those abuses to continue without criticism or exposure.
I have the social, geographic and ethnic privilege to not be routinely affected negatively by the issues in the world, but I refuse to turn that to mute complicity
You are 100% correct. But..
For me, I don't have the time to think globally.
I'm an 18 year old Asian male teenager - Middle Class Family.
I need to make money - help my parents financially hoping to retire them earlier. These are the closest people I can help. My loved ones
I have to stay in shape, fit and healthy (for the work I'm in)
Trying to work on my business for passive income.
Dealing with personal stress, issues and finances. (I'm in physcotherapy)
Do you still think as an individual, I have enough energy left to think about stuff that won't help me and my family.
You say that you used to think like me. That does not mean you're better or worse than me. It just means our priorities as individuals are different.
Get your news from - Associated Press. Reuters. BBC News at a push. Nobody else.
You'll find that, apart from a few major terrorist organisations like the IDF and the American armed forces, actually everything's pretty ok
Edit - downvoted by people who don't realise that no matter how fucked up certain things are, our lives are a million times easier than they used to be. Yes, our world is a bit fucked up, but at least your biggest problem is some religious weirdos not accepting your sexualities fucksake. You've got fucking food and the shelter to endure the climate changes that your ancestors endured with sticks and furs 😂
Oh, just realised that the downvoting might be because I said the American army are terrorists. But I can't think of a better noun for global destabilising criminals lol
If only that were true. I can't speak for the world as a whole, but things are pretty bad in the US. As a whole, LGBTQ+, especially trans folks, are at the highest risk of being victimized in the last 50 years. Just a few months ago, about 15 miles away from where I live, a trans kid was lured by right wing extremists and murdered. They used Grindr to catfish him in a planned, coordinated action. They are on trial for it right now.
I used that example to iterate how problems do exist in our personal communities. Anecdotes are not proof of larger societal trends, but the societal trends show it is a societal problem, too.
Yes, the number in the article I linked is not large by itself, but it is important to remember they are nearly all people who were fully out and were not afraid to tell people it. Most trans people are either somewhat or entirely closeted for safety.
You think trans people today are more victimized than in the 70's+? Lol.
You're delusional touch grass and talk to older people for some perspective. Lol go watch MILK or something
In the 70's US, most people were entirely unaware of the subject. Violence against trans people absolutely occurred, and it was absolutely horrific, but the problems mostly stemmed from true ignorance. It was not like today where over 500 anti-trans bills were introduced this year to systematically harm, erase, and even hunt people for not identifying with what they were assigned at birth. With multiple organizations like the HRC declaring a state of emergency for trans people, yes, things today are undoubtedly more hostile than they have been in the past.
How about you do that? I do quite frequently, in fact. From the events I've created or attended to celebrate trans identities, older trans people have exclusively expressed to me their fears for the growing hatred, and how it is unlike anything they have seen before. There are far more people that are accepting today than ever, yes, but there are also far more people who have so much extreme bigotry that they commit violence against trans people.
Lol
Counter point: No it fucking isn't. Humanity is genuinely shitting the bed on multiple important issues. OP's worries are valid. If you think that the current situation is okay, then you're part of the problem. If it's not fascism, we still have climate change fucking us six ways to Sunday
The word "fascist" has truly lost its meaning. Please stop using this word if you don't understand the historical context behind it.
My guy, Italian politicians literally publicly idolize the good ol' days of Mussolini, and talk about Mussolini in a positive light, I think that's worthy of the title fascist since they're praising the guy who CREATED FASCISM. The current PM is just a fascist.
And Putin, Orbán, Modi, the AfD are incredibly undeniably fascist. Or at the very least Modi and Orbán are fascist-adjacent (Modi is a sort of Nazi but for Hindus instead of Germans).
I don't know enough about Dutch politics/politicians to speak of it. But afaik they're going down a similar path as Germany, Sweden, etc. but even more pronounced. Argentina I don't know if the word "fascist" is accurate at all but the new president is certainly very far-right.
And in the US Republicans are descending towards fascism, they've already taken many of our rights and are in the process of taking more fundamental rights, the things the most popular Republicans publicly preach about and have like half the country's support over is sickening. The only reason we're not balls deep into stripping away the rights of anyone who doesn't fit into the majority categories (christian, white, straight/cis, male) is because Democrats exist (even though elected Democrats just play the "moderate Republican" and are complicit in the current state of the country).
Downvoted, i think OP understands very well the historical context of the word.
Fascism is on the rise. Ignoring it doesn't make you look smarter.
Is that the tldr? I didn't read it.
What do you mean by this? Are you talking about OP's argument? I don't get it.
Which word would you employ to address those seeking power through the scapegoating and targeted discrimination of minorities and vulnerable populations?
They are using not just the same rhetorical frames as the Nazis, they are often using the same exact phrases and propaganda techniques, just in social media. They are seeking/achieving autocratic rule. I don't think they are winning the world on the whole, but they are growing stronger.. They are fascist movements.
"Fascism (/ˈfæʃɪzəm/ FASH-iz-əm) is a far-right, authoritarian, ultranationalist political ideology and movement, characterized by a dictatorial leader, centralized autocracy, militarism, forcible suppression of opposition, belief in a natural social hierarchy, subordination of individual interests for the perceived good of the nation or race, and strong regimentation of society and the economy." Wikipedia
How is Argentina fascist? The president is just trying to exterminate inflation
Among other things, the "anarcho-capitalist" is privatizing state companies, okay, that tracks, but it's also something the Nazis did, and banning abortion and giving security forces more power.
Wait a minute, banning abortion and giving cops more power?
That's not something anarcho-capitalism supports!
It's almost like, like every other ancap who gets power, he's just a lying fascist!
https://foreignpolicy.com/2023/12/09/javier-milei-is-the-worlds-latest-wannabe-fascist/
Sounds like: latin america bad ಠ_ಠ
I can see how a liar would pretend to believe that.
This is the result of the bullshit policies the left and far-left enacted for so long that made things go worse instead of better. Nobody would vote far-right if the left was delivering good results.
Neoliberals are right wingers.
I'm not against anything you've just said.
Oh look another "GOP are fascists" post! I get that you guys dont like those guys, but your group is more fascistic than there group.
Yeah trump and his cult are actually fascists. Don't know about the rest of the party but trump is, and so are several other major right-wing figures who are gaining too much ground worldwide. Look up Mussolini. Also learn the definition of fascism (it's not just authoritarianism you don't like)
Well done, you have defined autocratic authoritarianism. Now define fascism. hint: it goes much further than that and is very definitely economically right wing and socially regressive
Fascism is more than just a right wing ideology. I am not a fan of Trump and his group, but the left wing side is the real fascistic danger, they just like to project.
You're right, fascism is more than just a right wing ideology. But it IS a right wing ideology, the left literally cannot be fascists. They can be fucking awful (and indeed are) but they are still better than the ACTUAL fascists that trump and his cult are
Then what would you call it when the left wing does the same thing?
Not fascism, but fascism requires the corporation stance that is symptomatic of the right
So then we are just arguing about the right word to use? So without using the F word, from my life, the left is the one that wants to take away my freedoms much more than the right side does. They are the one that will be the actual cause of the domestic strife when it probably will occure.
I'm guessing you're a white cis het male with some savings, then
How so?
They totally feel it to be true, and they've been told their feelings are more valuable and true than actual facts.
crickets
For starters everything that happened with COVID.
I mean, you may have a point but you're being vague either intentionally or not I'm not sure.
Do you mean: vaccine mandates? mask mandates?
What exactly was fascistic about COVID?
I am referring to all the things that did that forced people to go along or be punish by the government or private government funded institutions.
There were no mask mandates federally I don't think. Most of those were instituted state-wide?
Vaccine mandates date back to 1800s in the US. However, I'm once again I'm left to my imagination.
I think I'd need some examples? Also, are those things fascist? Or are they government policies you disagree with?
The vaccine mandate that the president instituted using OSHA, would be the biggest thing of all, but the supreme court shot that down. Or that people couldnt work in most states due to the virus. That was done on the state level with guidance from the federal level, but was probably one of the most damaging things to happen in the country with no actual benefit. They took away all kinds of rights, and many times they well knew it was unconstitutional.
Hang on, so the president instituted a vaccine mandate but the supreme court shot it down. How's that fascist? I did mention that vaccine mandates aren't actually new.
If things are done at the state level isn't that dependent upon the state? How's that a blue thing? Were only blue states affected? Would you mind linking to any articles about this?
I mean I think removing Roe V Wade was far more damaging than any of that stuff. I thought seizing the supreme court was messed up.
I think that instead of it being the end we will simply learn that fully fascist world is actually quite good for business and nothing will change for vast majority of people. I'm not saying it will be good. It will be worse, just not as bad as you think.
Edit: I guess I should have said "fully fascist" with ' " '. What I'm saying is that the world is moving to the right, yes, but it's not collapsing into fascist states. OP is being overly pessimist. The whole world is not turning into US.
Historically that has proven to be false. The majority of Germans, whether targets of the nazis or not, had their lives upended.
Genocide is extremely bad
I guess what I'm saying is that there will be no world war or genocides. Was that really so difficult to understand? Like, you really think I was suggesting that genocide is not that bad?
I'm starting to love the groupthink here. "The world is ending. Yes, yes, it's the end. Let's down-vote anyone slightly less pessimistic".
Then you don't understand fascism.
People suggest that all the time.
Ok, I guess we'll see who was right in a couple of years. But I'm genuinely surprised so many people think we will have nuclear apocalypse in a couple of years. Sounds more like silly groupthink and coping than honest concern. But if you really think you're a year or two away for unimaginable suffering or death I feel for you. Has to be terrible.
Pretty much all of history dealing with fascism disagrees with you. That alone justifies the concern. I haven't seen anyone say the world is a year or two away from unimaginable suffering or death. But there is a very clear path to unimaginable suffering or death in front of us. We've seen the path of fascism taken before. We know what happens. We have historical and academic research that backs it up that we can compare to today.
Saying (without any evidence) that people are overreacting sounds much more like a coping mechanism to me. People are saying "hey we should really check out this smoke billowing under the door" and you're telling everyone they're being silly because you can't see any fire.
Dude, the topic of this post is "2024 is going to be the beginning of the end of us all". It says "No I’m not catastrophising.", " I’m going to be crushed" and "The world is slowly lurching towards a fully fascist ...".
Now you're trying to say it all just means “hey we should really check out this smoke billowing under the door”. Jesus fucking Christ, you really don't see it? To prove how wrong I am claiming OP is exaggerating you yourself had to tone down his rhetoric by 90%. If the OP would say "Hey, we should be careful or the extreme right will take over and dismantle some of our rights" I would totally agree. But yeah, keep pretending he was reasonable and I disagreed with his totally rational, toned down arguments.
So what exactly are you disagreeing with? You just don't like their word choice? Because "Hey we should he careful or the extreme right will take over and dismantle our rights" is exactly what I get from OP. They specifically stated this is the beginning, it's happening slowly, and they feel they would be a target if we continue on the same trajectory. What's incorrect/hyperbolic here?
Where did I say that? Just because I don't agree with your extremely pessimist predictions means I think fascism is OK? WTF?
America, India and Russia where a terrible, terrible places for democracy and minorities for decades now. Only because you're just now waking up to this fact doesn't mean the world is sliding into fascism.
Netherlands, Germany and Italy still operate inside EU and still follow all the rules. EU has powerful tools for enforcing those rules, they just managed to force Hungary to back down over Ukraine funding. Poland just had w big swing to the left, as did Spain. EU is sliding to the right, yes, but it's more a typical, generational shift than embrace of fascism.
Argentina has terrible economic issues, their populism is completely different.
Basically what's going on is that the American illusion of a democracy is finally collapsing and since I don't think it's the end of the world I'm OK with fascism. We all should hold hands with Americans and help them cope with the realization their country is not as great as they thought....
I really don't think you understand what facism really is...I think you're looking at Republicans flirting with openly enacting facism, and thinking "well, if it's just to that degree it'll be ok"
Facism is like this - you have an authoritarian group, and they promise a perfect world if only everyone believed their ideology.
But their ideology is garbage, and so we're going to have problems. And so they're going to look around and say "it's LGBT people, they're ruining everything!". Then they're going to directly or indirectly outlaw their existence, and use that to imprison them.
They'll milk it for as long as they can... But as this goes on, you get more and more "true believers" who escalate and speed up the process
But that's not going to fix anything, obviously. So they'll look around again for people they can declare different... Maybe it's black people, or Mexicans, or alleged spies from China. Maybe it's stem workers, or college grads. Maybe it's just anyone who doesn't play along hard enough, and we go the ideological purity route
But again, that's only going to make things worse, so they'll have to find someone else to target. They require an enemy to blame for everything that goes wrong. And a lot is going to go wrong...
You can say this is all hyperbolic, but it's really not. The Nazis started just like this, with book bans, control over education, and going after trans people. Then they went after political opposition, then things really got into swing.
Oh, ok, I see what's going on here. You see, since you started listing all those other countries I thought you actually are referring to global situation. Now I see you're only talking about USA, That's why I said you're exaggerating. USA is not the whole world. The world will be fine. USA taking more isolationist stance may even be good for everyone else. But thanks for explaining to me, an European, what fascism is. We really don't know anything about it here. Only Americans understand this phenomenon. Can you also explain to me what democracy and freedom is?
Unless you’re any color but white, or any gender but male.
Make up your mind. OP is also worried about India. Only white people will be fine in India? You pretend to be worried about the whole world but very quickly show that you're actually only worried about the western countries.
Being that I live in Texas, it’s been really tough for me to worry about anything but over here. But you’re right, we’re certainly not the only place dealing with this kind of shit. Apologies.
Spoken like a good little bootlicker.
Best keep that tongue on that boot, lest it steps on you instead. Same goes for those businesses under a fascist government. I'm sure life will be good for them, especially if they don't mind the taste of leather.
Remove their tongue from the boot, and business won't be good for them.
I wonder what you're doing about the imminent world war that's so brave and non-bootlicking.
Speaking up and calling out fascist behavior. Not spending my money on businesses that promote fascists. Voting. Keeping my long barrel in good condition, may it never need to be used.
Soap, ballot, jury, and cartridge boxes, in that order.
So posting on lemmy and boycotting businesses you don't like. Awesome.
Hey guys, don't worry about the future, this guy will totally stop fascism. We're fine.
Better than trying to lick my way to the center of a boot while making disingenuous jabs on Lemmy.
Sure sure, keep repeating that to yourself.
Even for a bootlicker, you seem especially bitter, sarcastic, and downtrodden. Might help to find someone licensed to talk that out. Ain't healthy keeping it bottled up, and spewing vitriol on Lemmy doesn't help anyone.
How does this work?
Same way capitalism and globalization is good for business? Right wing parties tend to oppose social policies and promote income inequality which is good for corporations. Again, not saying it will be good for us. Just that we've seen couple if shifts to the right like this already. In a decade or two it will shift back to the left. Except in US, there the empire will collapse but is questionable if it will be net negative for the world.