thanks for taking the time to review my photo, always appreciate getting detailed feedback! Will have to cross post

Yup, far too much added processed sugar and fats, but thats the vast majority of problem foods problem.

A whole wheat or cauliflower base would be all I changed if I was aiming for a healthy pizza

Its already here, I had an ID check when I purchased some red bull yesterday, well I would have done if I looked forty years younger.

Thank you!

Copying the Americans with their pizza is a fruit classification?

Projection again? Lmao

Really? You making the outlandish claim boss, 100% because you looked and couldn't find anything

First fucking result, showing loss of muscle and bone: https://www.thelancet.com/journals/landia/article/PIIS2213-8587(24)00272-9/abstract

Projection much?

You made outlandish claims, linked to Facebook slop thats so bad I doubt even AI generated it as even AI would remember to link to some fake research in it, still can't provide even one single scientific paper backing your ridiculous claims, can't even read a high level summary of multiple papers went sent to you (which has the links at the bottom), published by a major journal.

Surprised you haven't pushed paleo, huge quantities of turmeric for muscle health, or something else equally insane.

They are referenced in the article,listed at the bottom, but i don't expect you to follow anything more complex than a Joe Rogan podcast based on what you shared earlier.

I'd I was you i would go try to find one of those, you might get lucky and find one that links fasting with raw milk and Ivermectin for insane gains as thats how credible what you have posted so far.

Your failure to link to anything of actual value says it all.

Which references impact of weight loss on muscle from multiple studies, not the brightest are you?

Fat goes first, muscle mass loss is limited to negligible and can be countered by exercise as I originally said.

Thats what you said, its so awful its tragic.

Now trying to gas light again? Can your ego really not take such a spectacular self own?

Your entire premise across the whole thread is patronising, incorrect, and actually harmful. I have left the majority of it alone because there is so damn much of it

Your points are the equivalent of telling a depressed person to get out more, or asking someone with adhd have they tried making lists? Its superficial, unhelpful and damaging

Your orginal article is garbage, I also gave you the chance to back down from your moronic claims about zero loss multiple times, its this absolute rigidity about a topic you know clearly nothing about thats been your undoing.

Your second article you tried to claim backed you up but actually backed me up. Perhaps if I posted in minion memes you might have understood quicker, my bad for not realising your level.

You have argued in bad faith, about topics you know nothing about, endless projection, and are now trying to do the old switcharoo. If I was you I would be booking an extensive course of therapy because this behaviour is just embarrassing levels of self harm.

That really isn't the flex you think it is, you didn't read it or you didn't understand it, did you? You even quoted the helpful bit above for me.

It actually supports what I have said from the start, zero muscle loss is an impossible goal without chemical intervention.

Multiple people of similar height, weight, fitness levels yes. There can be a measurable difference and it can easily be as much as a medium to heavy workout, for the average to extreme ends of the scale.

Obviously someone who eats heathly, has a high percentage of muscle, exercises multiple times a week, will clearly burn even more calories than the same person who does none of that. What I am referring to is people who are close enough in these attributes and there still is a significant genetic difference.

This is very much genetics having an impact. It doesnt even cover the genetic difference between hunger sensitivity issues for things like insulin or GLP-1, which can massively impact dieting success.

I am not saying that environmental factors such as a life long poor diet and lack of exercise dont make this worse on top, but that genetics is a significant factor.

Second part is piggy backing, so apologies if it appears aimed at you.

Actual scientific studies not Facebook slop please.

For pro body builders the holy grail of cutting is zero muscle loss and not one achieves it without chemical help, not one.

The last time I saw this come up there were approx. 500 calorie difference between the top and the bottom for similar fitness/build of the genetics curve.

500 calories is a pretty big workout, but its at the opposite ends of the curve, most people will be around 250 calories of the middle.

What is far more important is the genetic and learned response to feeling full and hunger. Saying its easy for people to just switch track on that is frankly an awful take, the current weight loss drugs work for a reason, while you carry on taking them. People rebound from often impressive weight loss in huge numbers for a reason, and its not because they forget how to calorie count or exercise.

Covid made me realise that even the dumbest person in a horror movie who goes down into the basement on their own, actually exist.

Zero muscle loss while on a signifcant calorie deficit to cause noticeable and sustained weekly weightless simply isn't possible without the right sort of steroids like tren.

The best you can do is to minimise the amount you lose with the right amount of training, rest and quality macros. Ask any successful bodybuilder after making them take a piss test for roids what their losses were for their last cut.

Yeah its pretty disgusting as they carry it in their mouth, not for me

I know, but some how I have seen more than ever this year