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The best answer to "when did Star Trek get woke?"

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Real comments like that always make me think of Douglass Adams' "rules" on growing old

I would have thought my comment made you think of every digit of pi, because that's also something you didn't read all of before replying to me. Seriously, if conservatism were applicable, why would my thesis be trashing Voyager and Enterprise, and pretty explicitly pointing out that Enterprise is overall even worse than Discovery? Shows that came out when I was little, I might add, and about 20 years before I increased my lifetime watching history of Star Trek beyond a single digit number of episodes across all shows.

Plus, I never said older Star Trek shows didn't have bad writing, but you chose a bad example. Let That be Your Last Battlefield isn't hamfisted, it's just a clear narrative about racism, obsession, and hatred that aired before there was any grass growing on Dr. King's grave, but it admittedly doesn't resonate with people who are so jaded they consider an objective and unambiguous moral position intrinsically corny and trite. I guess To Kill a Mockingbird is just a hamfisted after-school special too, huh? Do you know what Let That be Your Last Battlefield doesn't have, though? I do: it doesn't have an undercurrent of insincerity, nor does it have characters whose narrative function is contradicted by everything they say and do. In that way, DS9's Meridian is not far from being a Discovery episode.

Star Trek has, at various times, televised episodes that were boring, nonsensical, transparently insincere, objectifying, hamfisted, acted poorly, or rife with grating and unnatural dialog. It wasn't till Voyager that these became consistent (especially boring and nonsensical, which are rarely absent). Enterprise and Discovery very consistently share most or all of these qualities in abundance, though I will damn Discovery with the faint praise that it doesn't really have characters whom elderly perverts shoehorned in to add sex appeal, like T'Pol or Seven of Nine (or arguably Troi, though she also got legitimate character moments whenever Gene Roddenberry and/or Rick Berman were distracted by sexually harrassing someone else).

Discovery isn't the worst Star Trek, that honor goes to absolute trash that is Picard, but it's still a bad Star Trek. And again, let me be clear because you probably skipped to this paragraph, that's not because it's "woke". It's not bad because it has LGBT characters (some of whom aren't killed off immediately), it's bad because they don't have anything recognizable as personalities and still have a closet to come out of. It's not bad because a the captain is a black woman, it's bad because they can't decide whether she's a Starfleet captain, Jesus Christ, or the Rambo fantasy from UHF. Throwing the public a bone with representation for marginalized minorities is not the act of kindness it should be when what they're being represented as is incompetent and unprofessional dolts who speak in monologues and act like they have lead poisoning. For wokeness done correctly, see Lower Decks, a show I intensely dislike but recognize is overall good. Discovery isn't aspirational, it doesn't have challenging ideas, it doesn't incite emotion, it doesn't make you think, and it doesn't have any heart, at all. Discovery is really not a woke show in any substantial way. It's still better than Enterprise, Picard, and TAS because the bar is so low it's in the mantle.

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The algae in the pool discourse has still overstayed its welcome, and there is not one Republican who feels literally any emotion about it. They aren't capable of most emotions because they aren't fully sapient, but they do feel greed, indignation, and rage, and none of that is present. I'm sick of using jokes to "resist" people whose families should be billed for one 9mm bullet each.

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My pet theory is that going past Warp 10 makes you have powerful, contagious psychic hallucinations, and that the crew of the Voyager actually just found Paris and Janeway rolling around naked in the mud making salamander noises in an inebriated stupor.