IIRC The Debian installer gives the option to install multiple desktop environments. Just check mark all the ones you want and it will install them. Then at login there's a little drop-down list and you can pick the one you want to use. So that's a super easy way to try all the ones you want to try. I like Mate. It's basically a really nice polished version of Gnome. And there are some really cool, weird modern ones too. So you may as well try those out too and stick them on the list.

Mate. It's simple, easy, obvious, lightweight and perfect

Debian really is the best

My white German Shepherd tries to herd us all into bed at night. She snaps she growls she barks. She has very strong opinions about what the pack should be doing when the sun goes down. She's very sweet but she's also very pushy.

You people draw the longest conclusions from the scantest evidence.

That it fucking does. My anxiety level goes up and down with my checking account balance.

I have never found joy in a hose reel. Hanger on the wall I've had luck with. Presently laying the coil on the ground.

Why use a slab? Why not just gravel?

you are me

I feel you. Been there. Sympathize.

experts are the best.

Which of my words drew the most blood? Just curious.

He places too much stock in fantasy. A story about justice is not justice. Mercy, duty ditto. And I doubt that faking it would bring a man closer to making it either. In fact I think that it might occlude and distract.

I don't think it matters too much. it's just a matter of which story you prefer. And stories are thin.

Not to say that religion isn't real, I'm not even going there. it's that people don't have a firm grasp on reality. I mean, people often take something real and turn it into a bunch of stories. And that isn't real. so worrying about what's real at that point is kind of dumb.

I think if you want real in religion then you should see the stuff for yourself. Like a proper scientist. And forget the stories.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=SG4cec5cR78&pp=ygUgaW52aXNpYmxlIGxpZ2h0IHNjaXNzb3JzIHNpc3RlcnM%3D

I prefer to start with what I perceive. I think that you prefer to start with what are popularly considered to be the smart ideas of the hour.

Well ya, you treated one thing as another. It was one thing but you pretended that it's another.

Now maybe you committed that pretense intentionally, or maybe it was unintentional. Maybe you consciously decided to pretend or maybe it's a habit or a convention that you just fell into.

And maybe that pretending is really important to you and you defend it and call it real. That happens. it might even happen a lot.

here's two points to chew on.

this constant pretense is not a bug. it's a feature. humans seem to naturally live in an interpreted reality. interpretation provided by biology, culture, etc.

this action of pretense and redirection is not just intellectual. The attention is involved too. we give attention to important stuff and ignore unimportant stuff. thus, our visible reality is itself subdivided.

so that's something to think and talk about

I suspect that such a thing never was.

"The best"? Are the limitations of modelling so inescapable? Of thought and word? Of culture?

Here's another : Sit quietly and observe this thing that's going on. This river of sensations, with all the sights, sounds, thoughts, etc. Watch closely and you will catch yourself tampering with it. In fact you might see yourself tampering with it a lot, out of habit. If you can halt that tampering then you will see something more. That's another way.

Hear a meow, see a cat-shape, feel the fur. Associate that aggregation of phenomena with a model in your mind labelled "cat".

These 4 things have no necessary connection. But I do connect them.That's how I make reality.