It's not beneath me, I just don't see how it will help when all my problems are based off my limited resources or societal issues that won't change. What are they going to do for me besides teach me ways to cope? I'm already doing that. If I'm paying for it I want the end result to be happiness, not just coping. If some therapist showed up and offered me a freebie I might try it out but I'm not paying for it unless someone can convince me I'm wrong in my stance.
Maybe you're right, but all the people passing around the memes about therapists trying to somehow cover for society's failings, as if they're part of the Illuminati, are still just making stuff up
I mean, this is patently false. Mental health professionals - especially therapists - aren’t there to “allow” or not “allow” you to talk about things. You can talk about whatever you like.
And most therapists, especially clinical social workers, are well-versed in systemic perspectives and anti-oppressive practices.
I’m a clinical social worker and a therapist, and I talk with my clients about socioeconomic factors all the time. Especially because I see a lot of people from the LGBTQIA+ community, and it’s impossible to do therapy with any marginalized community without mentioning the social aspects.
I get that there are bad therapists out there who may not do this. But still, these kind of posts just gaslight people about what therapy is really like.
Yeah feel like maybe 60-70% of my therapy sessions involve talking about socioeconomic factors behind my problems and I've never felt like my therapist downplayed that
When I was on unemployment I asked them what the state expected me to do if I still didn't have a job despite my best efforts, and the unemployed benefits ended. They just awkwardly laughed.
We live in the bad place because we let people be rich, and then let them make the rules.
I'm with you but with disability. I'm too disabled to work consistent full hours and sometimes I don't have enough for rent, but I want to work and have a profession. However, the income and asset caps make it so that I literally have to stop working completely and get evicted to qualify (roughly $1600 a month, $2000 in total assets). So it seems like disability "benefits" are just a trap to become a punching bag for the kinda people that want to point and complain about "lazy welfare queens".
One of the most depressing parts is that even with the draconian enrollment requirements, the welfare system you're under is still critically underfunded and gives out all the money it has. It's absolutely insane how welfare is structured, regardless of country (fucking hell, I have disabled brit friends and somehow it's actually worse than the US. I mean, how the fuck do you manage that??)
Psychology works off of “norms.” So they don’t lock you up for believing in sky daddies and they can’t treat society’s economic system.
My therapist (who has stated she will join the revolution when it kicks off) and psychiatrist know that our system sucks ass but they have to try to help me cope with that.
But they could still explain those "norms". A lot of people identify systemic issues as personal inadequacies because there's been a deliberate effort to make people internalize the shortcomings of the system. I imagine it would be a sort of a cathartic release to know there's nothing wrong with you and it's the systemic pressures that make you feel that way.
Are there any scientific studies on this? Learning about these problems does unusually not improve your situation in any meaningful way on its own, but might also lessen your willingness to deal with that system.
Now that's just the crazy talking, here have some more meds and oh by the way have you tried CBT? Let's reframe those thoughts...
Like I can't tell you how many times I've described this as gaslighting and people tell me that's not true because medical gaslighting doesn't exist. Oh please...
Blaming the individual for social problems is big business. Frank Freeway is burned out and angry from a two hour commute to a dead end job with shitty pay, mandatory weekends, high deductible health care, and draconian bosses. Meanwhile, his kid's school funding has been cut and high prices are breaking the finances.
So Frank's boss complains that he's not happy-smiley at work, and sends him to a shrink who tells him he's ungrateful, and prescribes powerful antidepressants. So, hey, the psychiatry business makes money as long as everyone blames the individual.
Mental health professionals rarely allow you to talk about the socioeconomic factors too
While there are certainly going to be individual examples to the contrary, as commentary on the entire field of psychology, this is utter bullshit. Social determinants of health are a huge part of the work.
Recently had to tell my psychiatrist that you cant reframe poverty into something positive."But you do have x y and z don't you?"
Yhea while others have the alphabet and all the unicode charaters and we can't get them unless we do things you can't recommend.
silence
"same time in two weeks?"
I was in behavioral therapy for over a decade a lot of it was about how to handle finances and the way of economics now and how they impact mental health. It was a common subject and group as well.
Don't make it out to be like there's some kind of conspiracy that mental health professionals on a lot talk about finances.
Sounds like a good psychiatrist. Like I think we can acknowledge the cause is valid and acknowledge you deserve to be happy and able to live.
Some say that's denying reality, maybe it is, but humans have had to endure some really bad times. For us it is natural to be able to find something to enjoy even at the worse of times, just a biological drive to survive. Honestly I think the destruction of our normal living patterns, extended family groups interconnected forming small communities to this extremely isolated nuclear family, has absolutely trashed our natural coping mechanisms
Isn't the repression of the working class the point. Make them seem stupid and irrational, to take away even more of their rights. Pretty much the main activity of psychologists.
L Ron Hubbard has got to be among the most interesting cult leaders in modern history. A lot of scientology dogma can be traced back to one neurosis or another he formed at some point in his life, most blatantly the Sea Org resembling a navy. He created an extraordinarily wealthy cult with sprawling lore that ruins lives and bankrupts people rather than address his issues.
Why would they be afraid to mention the legitimate factors of a person's depression?
I can imagine it would help to say, these things are real and we can't change them in this room; What we can change is how we feel about them and direct those feelings to activities outside that can change the real problems. Basically help empower people to embrace activism, as a coping mechanism for their depressive problems, which are caused by the thing they can advocate against.
Oddly enough, the ones I know tried to start a post-graduate union during their time at university.
Since then, they do mostly research and analysis...
That's right! One has been seeing some clients for, something I don't remember. I could ask her about it tomorrow, during our D&D Zoom game.
Here in the UK, the far right fly those as "false" flags protecting us all, not only from those socio-economic factors, but providing the final solution as applies to blacks, browns, Jews, LGBTQ+, non-Christians etc.
I am not religious, but never has it been a greater truism that the devil himself will quote scripture should it serve his purposes.
Mental Health services have been deliberately degraded since the Nixon era in America to prevent any explanation on what causes or exacerbates depression and anxiety. No one is allowed to say bad things about capitalism or they're othered.
I wouldn't say "allow," more like they won't necessarily include it as part of the analysis/discussion unless you bring it up first. And then, they may not be well versed in discussing it or helping from that angle, even if it is brought into the picture.
Yeah, a mental health professional isn't going to be much help with the actual issue, they are more about how to cope with it. Which is also the case when dealing with past trauma; the past is in the past and no one can change that no matter what kind of licenses they have. And while mental health professionals can do something about the system, those things have nothing to do with what their expertise is in (assuming they are the kind that has expertise and aren't just using people's issues to recruit or strengthen their ties to their cult and that kind doesn't want to help you but wants their cult to join in the capitalists in exploiting you, though some do seem to believe they are helping people).
I knew a psychiatrist who would complain about how stupid her patients were. These were people in crisis whose problems often repeated themselves due to the environment. But as a well off boomer who never had to deal with cost of living pressures in her life, she had no concept of their life's problems and just saw all these suffering people as idiots who don't make good choices.
Don't make me talk about psychiatrists, who did not inform me about the severe side effects of my medication on my sleep even when i was complaining that i had livid nightmares that stuck in my head for days, and instead just prescribed sleeping pills.
From my current standpoint, most psychiatrists should get an itchy rash on their butts that keeps them awake all night for a few years just as they kept me awake and fearing sleep.
We all just say a national case where one could argue that psychiatrist's and their medical instruction caused a woman to kill her own children and jump out of a 2nd story window attempting suicide.
If the priority list for subsidized housing is anything like it is here you're still going to wait 5 years. Not on the priority list, you'll die waiting.
They would gladly spend more money criminaling and hiding the homeless than it would cost to house them. This is a simple fact. Those in power view homelessness as a warning of what will happen if you do not obey them. It is all part of the plan.
We can see the trend of worse health outcomes and other quality of life regression, when people have less of the profits from their employment and basic things that reduce artificial scarcity, which workers in many countries enjoy. Death and illness of desperation, another name for artificial scarcity, is reduced by proven methods that places with them would never accept the system usa workers do. Unite for better life for all, including minorities, groups have changed over time but punching down on them or anyone is wrong and unacceptable.
Just because I'm a paranoid, stressed out, depressed pill popping mess doesn't mean that society... I don't want more pills. Thank you doctor for recommending pills over revolution.
It is no coincidence that increased recognition for mental health conditions coincided with the gradual neoliberalization of the metropole; medicalized suicide attributes the injuries of capitalism to the body, not the system.
If the populous were more liberal I think there would be a lot less "injuries of capitalism to the body" or if it were much much more liberal at least there would be a legal avenue to assisted suicide for the elderly and sick.
Bud, Canada has that, it's called Medical Assistance in Dying and it literally functions as a eugenics tool since disabled people opt for it due to the insufficient social welfare support for them.
Liberalism is capitalism, BTW, despite colloquial uses of the word "liberal." MAID was seen as "progressive," (often synonymous with "liberal") and its stated principles are not consistent with its function under a liberal system because that system is antithetical to valuing human life.
Edit: any other lib that comes along this and agrees with this person, read below and see how they try to argue that race is a real, genetic thing, and that this means that diseases or disorders that are prevalent across humanity aren't hereditary. So like, I don't know what better evidence I could produce to show you how liberalism has latent white supremacy and eugenics.
I think my definition of the word liberal is the classical usage and yours is the colloquial usage, though. Liberal's bare definition is "an advocate for human rights, freedoms, and liberties as long as those freedoms do not infringe upon the rights of others." In practice this is not unregulated capitalism because an unregulated capitalism does not respect individual rights, a democratic state must exist to uphold those rights.
It comes from the Latin liberalis "noble, gracious, munificent, generous," literally "of freedom, pertaining to or befitting a free person," from liber "free, unrestricted, unimpeded; unbridled, unchecked, licentious."
Generally, the sort of people I see complaining about LiBruLZ are Tankies: proponents of eastern bloc dictatorships, or Conservatives: proponents of western bloc dictatorships.
The word "neoliberal" is just some bullshit tankies made up so they wouldn't look so bad while directly opposing human rights, or possibly as an attempt by early 20th century French dudes to oppose laissez faire which already wasn't largely associated with liberalism outside of France to begin with.
Well, that was just about the most liberal dreck I've ever seen.
No, I'm using it the way political philosophers use it, which is to refer to a specific system oriented around capital and individualism (which is why "rights," refers to access to the pursuit of property) that emerged through European imperialism and settler-colonialism in the modern period.
Neoliberalism is a useful term if you care about all that intellectual (🤮) nonsense though, which you don't seem to. Unless of course, you're about to tell me about some amazing scholarship you read to form this opinion of "yours." I mean, you know the Latin and everything and that's like, most of the stuff.
Fittingly, you didn't even care about eugenics in Canada with the exact thing you just advocated for.
The strangest part about this whole diatribe is the assumption that developmental disabilities or neuroatypicality are even hereditary in the first place. Every race has about 1 to 4 in 1,000 for autism with minute variations between, for example.
If anybody here sounds like a eugenicist it's definitely you.
That all aside for a moment I never even really advocated for assisted suicide, just mentioned that it would fudge suicide numbers.
This is some echochamber shit for real, I don't even know what this is meant to reference from my comments.
"I'm not a eugenicist because I use 'race' and 'genetics' synonymously to suggest that autism isn't hereditary," is a hyper-level of self-validating reasoning, so much that I'm seriously unsure if this is an AI that just read "eugenics," and inadvertently plugged the idea that race is like, a natural thing (seriously, I'm surprised phrenology wasn't referenced). "Disabled," also doesn't just mean "autistic," but at this point who knows what the fuck you think you're saying.
To anyone else who comes across this, is this a bot?
Wouldn't say impulsivity but the others could be true. That doesn't mean they're not caused by capitalism tho lol. You fix problems from the root not apply like idk patches or bandaids idk.
Everyone wanna talk about this dogshit system, the banks and the Healthcare, but as long as these doctors have access to internet, they will be breaking the hippo violation by talking about me and my massive penis. It is unfortunate, but I have not been seen by medical doctors in some time. They say they refuse, but I am the one that refuses, the way they treat me, and the mental health providers are a bunch of dick suckers that want me to service our husband. I am a holy man and I am, ok? I just am. Don't. Just don't. We know, as it be what is does to become what it will be and always was because time is a big slut when you think about it. Always got "I's" watching itself, y'know?
It tookme halfway through your comment to realize its you. Hi Impractical_island! I hope you get medicated some day and i can talk to you when you aren't mad as a hatter.
I can rizz it real good in the normal-likeness, yea? It's like I do the stupid shit on purpose, or something.
Y'know, back when I was a homeless woman, I was at the Samaritan Center in my hometown of Syracuse, this is a verifiable fact mind you, and this girl comes in, y'know, twenties but with a fat ass and legs to kill and she wore these short ass shorts where her ass was dangling, that is the correct word I am using, and I would stare! And my buddy, he would say that she wears that shit intentionally, and I was like, oh good, and kept staring at the sun. Then, y'know, when they had the kids volunteer there, that's where they really get ya. They get really tricky with that. Like, did you know that when you go to get your milk and a kid puts his dukes up, you're supposed to actually throw down with the fucking kid? No, they trick you with that. I have figured out the calculus to the milk-getting in a non-conformation way; I just stimulate my nipples for about forty-five seconds. They get sore, but that's a bonus, y'know? Coffee? Got plenty of cream.
I am just an unprecedented retard, thank you. And that's my word. Got called in all my life growing up, by my own father even! Bull poppies of my existence. Mein Bull Poopies, on shelves now. I just don't give a shit anymore. Anything is positive because I have the power of shrug. Whatevs. Good enough and the world was saved. Do you not realize I am half of Lemmy comments? Boys don't even understand the internet anymore. Orange is the new ice cream. You can't hang at this level, dawg. I'm sorry. I'm sorry for everything I have said. I am vibe writing, which I can just do. No data center needed. Upgrade your server to unlimited agency as free will is a skill. This message has been brought to you by the United Steaks of America, the KGB FBI, and one idiot conspicuously close to the southern border. Makes you think, hhm?
Wouldn't it be dangerous for a therapist to say that? Because if their patients read it they will kill themselves due to it being caused by things completely outside of their individual control?
Not at all. I am a therapist, and I discuss socioeconomic factors with my clients all the time. Just because I validate that shit sucks does not mean my client is going to kill themselves. Usually quite the opposite is true, they stop blaming themselves completely for their poor mental health.
Most farmland is controlled by super rich families or agribusinesses. Those guys are doing just fine. They get colossal subsidies, price supports, exemption from workplace safety laws, and so much more.
It's tough for the scattered few non centimillionaire farmers getting fucked by the food processing cartels, for sure.
But culture trumps economy, as a class they seem more preoccupied with white vengeance when it comes to voting day.
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If your therapist doesn't "allow" you to talk about the systemic problems with capitalism, then you should find a new therapist asap
Yea I feel like that criticism is coming from people who have never been to therapy and want to convince themselves its beneath them
It's not beneath me, I just don't see how it will help when all my problems are based off my limited resources or societal issues that won't change. What are they going to do for me besides teach me ways to cope? I'm already doing that. If I'm paying for it I want the end result to be happiness, not just coping. If some therapist showed up and offered me a freebie I might try it out but I'm not paying for it unless someone can convince me I'm wrong in my stance.
Maybe you're right, but all the people passing around the memes about therapists trying to somehow cover for society's failings, as if they're part of the Illuminati, are still just making stuff up
Like how they protect fossil fuel producers by creating a "climate anxiety" disease to blame victims instead.
I mean, this is patently false. Mental health professionals - especially therapists - aren’t there to “allow” or not “allow” you to talk about things. You can talk about whatever you like.
And most therapists, especially clinical social workers, are well-versed in systemic perspectives and anti-oppressive practices.
I’m a clinical social worker and a therapist, and I talk with my clients about socioeconomic factors all the time. Especially because I see a lot of people from the LGBTQIA+ community, and it’s impossible to do therapy with any marginalized community without mentioning the social aspects.
I get that there are bad therapists out there who may not do this. But still, these kind of posts just gaslight people about what therapy is really like.
Yeah feel like maybe 60-70% of my therapy sessions involve talking about socioeconomic factors behind my problems and I've never felt like my therapist downplayed that
I was never depressed until I couldn't find a job and fell into debt and felt worthless.
I should probably just smile more or something
Hey I got these pills that will perk you right up!
I totally get what you're saying. I just become apathetic though. You rent goes up and your pay goes down. Somehow you're supposed to be okay with it.
When I was on unemployment I asked them what the state expected me to do if I still didn't have a job despite my best efforts, and the unemployed benefits ended. They just awkwardly laughed.
We live in the bad place because we let people be rich, and then let them make the rules.
I'm with you but with disability. I'm too disabled to work consistent full hours and sometimes I don't have enough for rent, but I want to work and have a profession. However, the income and asset caps make it so that I literally have to stop working completely and get evicted to qualify (roughly $1600 a month, $2000 in total assets). So it seems like disability "benefits" are just a trap to become a punching bag for the kinda people that want to point and complain about "lazy welfare queens".
One of the most depressing parts is that even with the draconian enrollment requirements, the welfare system you're under is still critically underfunded and gives out all the money it has. It's absolutely insane how welfare is structured, regardless of country (fucking hell, I have disabled brit friends and somehow it's actually worse than the US. I mean, how the fuck do you manage that??)
On the UK, where do you think your Protestant work ethic came from along with all its adjacent problems? Basically us and the Dutch.
I'm going to start to correct people when they say, "the system isn't working" in cases like this. No, the system is working exactly as intended.
Psychology works off of “norms.” So they don’t lock you up for believing in sky daddies and they can’t treat society’s economic system.
My therapist (who has stated she will join the revolution when it kicks off) and psychiatrist know that our system sucks ass but they have to try to help me cope with that.
in my experience metal health professionals talk explicitly about the externalities that are affecting you
stabilising your life is the first step to getting better
so i think saying this is not the case is nonsense
But they could still explain those "norms". A lot of people identify systemic issues as personal inadequacies because there's been a deliberate effort to make people internalize the shortcomings of the system. I imagine it would be a sort of a cathartic release to know there's nothing wrong with you and it's the systemic pressures that make you feel that way.
Are there any scientific studies on this? Learning about these problems does unusually not improve your situation in any meaningful way on its own, but might also lessen your willingness to deal with that system.
Now that's just the crazy talking, here have some more meds and oh by the way have you tried CBT? Let's reframe those thoughts...
Like I can't tell you how many times I've described this as gaslighting and people tell me that's not true because medical gaslighting doesn't exist. Oh please...
Blaming the individual for social problems is big business. Frank Freeway is burned out and angry from a two hour commute to a dead end job with shitty pay, mandatory weekends, high deductible health care, and draconian bosses. Meanwhile, his kid's school funding has been cut and high prices are breaking the finances.
So Frank's boss complains that he's not happy-smiley at work, and sends him to a shrink who tells him he's ungrateful, and prescribes powerful antidepressants. So, hey, the psychiatry business makes money as long as everyone blames the individual.
His boss… sends him to a shrink? What fantasy is this??
While there are certainly going to be individual examples to the contrary, as commentary on the entire field of psychology, this is utter bullshit. Social determinants of health are a huge part of the work.
Recently had to tell my psychiatrist that you cant reframe poverty into something positive."But you do have x y and z don't you?" Yhea while others have the alphabet and all the unicode charaters and we can't get them unless we do things you can't recommend. silence "same time in two weeks?"
I think you need a new psychiatrist
No, she's fine, she reached out after other clients said the same thing.
I was in behavioral therapy for over a decade a lot of it was about how to handle finances and the way of economics now and how they impact mental health. It was a common subject and group as well.
Don't make it out to be like there's some kind of conspiracy that mental health professionals on a lot talk about finances.
Me: I don't want to get up and leave my house. Everything feels pointless.
My psychiatrist: want me to up your medicine?
Me: Honestly, I think I'm having a normal response to late stage capitalism. I don't think more medicine will improve my mood.
My psychiatrist: that's a fair assessment.
Sounds like a good psychiatrist. Like I think we can acknowledge the cause is valid and acknowledge you deserve to be happy and able to live.
Some say that's denying reality, maybe it is, but humans have had to endure some really bad times. For us it is natural to be able to find something to enjoy even at the worse of times, just a biological drive to survive. Honestly I think the destruction of our normal living patterns, extended family groups interconnected forming small communities to this extremely isolated nuclear family, has absolutely trashed our natural coping mechanisms
Yep, take their Soma, their blue pill, their alcohol and try to blur out the horrors. Miss most of life. Or raw dog reality and don't feel great.
Whatever anyone does, don't let these fuckers pretend, imply, assert or claim there is fault with you.
Isn't the repression of the working class the point. Make them seem stupid and irrational, to take away even more of their rights. Pretty much the main activity of psychologists.
Psychology as a tool of alienation and isolation has been called out before.
Only problem is that Scientology took it way off in the other direction, and now people read criticism of psychology as cult apologia.
L Ron Hubbard has got to be among the most interesting cult leaders in modern history. A lot of scientology dogma can be traced back to one neurosis or another he formed at some point in his life, most blatantly the Sea Org resembling a navy. He created an extraordinarily wealthy cult with sprawling lore that ruins lives and bankrupts people rather than address his issues.
A real piece of shit, but a fascinating one.
Why would they be afraid to mention the legitimate factors of a person's depression?
I can imagine it would help to say, these things are real and we can't change them in this room; What we can change is how we feel about them and direct those feelings to activities outside that can change the real problems. Basically help empower people to embrace activism, as a coping mechanism for their depressive problems, which are caused by the thing they can advocate against.
How many psychologists do you know that help their clients unionize?
Oddly enough, the ones I know tried to start a post-graduate union during their time at university.
Since then, they do mostly research and analysis...
That's right! One has been seeing some clients for, something I don't remember. I could ask her about it tomorrow, during our D&D Zoom game.
you can sign petition to make housing affordable in europe right-to-housing.eu
https://slatestarcodex.com/2015/02/12/money-money-everywhere-but-not-a-cent-to-spend/
Here in the UK, the far right fly those as "false" flags protecting us all, not only from those socio-economic factors, but providing the final solution as applies to blacks, browns, Jews, LGBTQ+, non-Christians etc. I am not religious, but never has it been a greater truism that the devil himself will quote scripture should it serve his purposes.
Greatest trick the devil ever played was convincing people he didn't exist.
Mental Health services have been deliberately degraded since the Nixon era in America to prevent any explanation on what causes or exacerbates depression and anxiety. No one is allowed to say bad things about capitalism or they're othered.
I wouldn't say "allow," more like they won't necessarily include it as part of the analysis/discussion unless you bring it up first. And then, they may not be well versed in discussing it or helping from that angle, even if it is brought into the picture.
Yeah, a mental health professional isn't going to be much help with the actual issue, they are more about how to cope with it. Which is also the case when dealing with past trauma; the past is in the past and no one can change that no matter what kind of licenses they have. And while mental health professionals can do something about the system, those things have nothing to do with what their expertise is in (assuming they are the kind that has expertise and aren't just using people's issues to recruit or strengthen their ties to their cult and that kind doesn't want to help you but wants their cult to join in the capitalists in exploiting you, though some do seem to believe they are helping people).
I knew a psychiatrist who would complain about how stupid her patients were. These were people in crisis whose problems often repeated themselves due to the environment. But as a well off boomer who never had to deal with cost of living pressures in her life, she had no concept of their life's problems and just saw all these suffering people as idiots who don't make good choices.
Don't make me talk about psychiatrists, who did not inform me about the severe side effects of my medication on my sleep even when i was complaining that i had livid nightmares that stuck in my head for days, and instead just prescribed sleeping pills.
From my current standpoint, most psychiatrists should get an itchy rash on their butts that keeps them awake all night for a few years just as they kept me awake and fearing sleep.
We all just say a national case where one could argue that psychiatrist's and their medical instruction caused a woman to kill her own children and jump out of a 2nd story window attempting suicide.
What a joke of a field.
Unofficially its sometimes called shit life syndrome.
The National Man-Couch Love Association member who is also VP basically came out and said let the poor people die a few days ago.
My therapist prescribed me housing security. Any suggestions on where I can get this filled?
Best we can do is prison
Yeah, actually, you should probably reach out to your local housing authority as a qualified disability giving you priority for the list.
If the priority list for subsidized housing is anything like it is here you're still going to wait 5 years. Not on the priority list, you'll die waiting.
Then I guess I'm glad I can't afford to talk to them.
Money might not buy happiness, but it sure as shit can help keep hopelessness at bay.
They would gladly spend more money criminaling and hiding the homeless than it would cost to house them. This is a simple fact. Those in power view homelessness as a warning of what will happen if you do not obey them. It is all part of the plan.
It’s a great stress relief knowing I could go a year not working and still pay the bills. Having money solves so many issues in life
That it fucking does. My anxiety level goes up and down with my checking account balance.
We can see the trend of worse health outcomes and other quality of life regression, when people have less of the profits from their employment and basic things that reduce artificial scarcity, which workers in many countries enjoy. Death and illness of desperation, another name for artificial scarcity, is reduced by proven methods that places with them would never accept the system usa workers do. Unite for better life for all, including minorities, groups have changed over time but punching down on them or anyone is wrong and unacceptable.
Just because I'm a paranoid, stressed out, depressed pill popping mess doesn't mean that
society...I don't want more pills. Thank you doctor for recommending pills over revolution.It is no coincidence that increased recognition for mental health conditions coincided with the gradual neoliberalization of the metropole; medicalized suicide attributes the injuries of capitalism to the body, not the system.
If the populous were more liberal I think there would be a lot less "injuries of capitalism to the body" or if it were much much more liberal at least there would be a legal avenue to assisted suicide for the elderly and sick.
Bud, Canada has that, it's called Medical Assistance in Dying and it literally functions as a eugenics tool since disabled people opt for it due to the insufficient social welfare support for them.
Liberalism is capitalism, BTW, despite colloquial uses of the word "liberal." MAID was seen as "progressive," (often synonymous with "liberal") and its stated principles are not consistent with its function under a liberal system because that system is antithetical to valuing human life.
Edit: any other lib that comes along this and agrees with this person, read below and see how they try to argue that race is a real, genetic thing, and that this means that diseases or disorders that are prevalent across humanity aren't hereditary. So like, I don't know what better evidence I could produce to show you how liberalism has latent white supremacy and eugenics.
I think my definition of the word liberal is the classical usage and yours is the colloquial usage, though. Liberal's bare definition is "an advocate for human rights, freedoms, and liberties as long as those freedoms do not infringe upon the rights of others." In practice this is not unregulated capitalism because an unregulated capitalism does not respect individual rights, a democratic state must exist to uphold those rights.
It comes from the Latin liberalis "noble, gracious, munificent, generous," literally "of freedom, pertaining to or befitting a free person," from liber "free, unrestricted, unimpeded; unbridled, unchecked, licentious."
Generally, the sort of people I see complaining about LiBruLZ are Tankies: proponents of eastern bloc dictatorships, or Conservatives: proponents of western bloc dictatorships.
The word "neoliberal" is just some bullshit tankies made up so they wouldn't look so bad while directly opposing human rights, or possibly as an attempt by early 20th century French dudes to oppose laissez faire which already wasn't largely associated with liberalism outside of France to begin with.
Well, that was just about the most liberal dreck I've ever seen.
No, I'm using it the way political philosophers use it, which is to refer to a specific system oriented around capital and individualism (which is why "rights," refers to access to the pursuit of property) that emerged through European imperialism and settler-colonialism in the modern period.
Neoliberalism is a useful term if you care about all that intellectual (🤮) nonsense though, which you don't seem to. Unless of course, you're about to tell me about some amazing scholarship you read to form this opinion of "yours." I mean, you know the Latin and everything and that's like, most of the stuff.
Fittingly, you didn't even care about eugenics in Canada with the exact thing you just advocated for.
The strangest part about this whole diatribe is the assumption that developmental disabilities or neuroatypicality are even hereditary in the first place. Every race has about 1 to 4 in 1,000 for autism with minute variations between, for example.
If anybody here sounds like a eugenicist it's definitely you.
That all aside for a moment I never even really advocated for assisted suicide, just mentioned that it would fudge suicide numbers.
This is some echochamber shit for real, I don't even know what this is meant to reference from my comments.
"I'm not a eugenicist because I use 'race' and 'genetics' synonymously to suggest that autism isn't hereditary," is a hyper-level of self-validating reasoning, so much that I'm seriously unsure if this is an AI that just read "eugenics," and inadvertently plugged the idea that race is like, a natural thing (seriously, I'm surprised phrenology wasn't referenced). "Disabled," also doesn't just mean "autistic," but at this point who knows what the fuck you think you're saying.
To anyone else who comes across this, is this a bot?
If you don't see how its prevalance across every race defeats the notion of it targeting a specific or distinct genetic group then you're an idiot.
Wouldn't say impulsivity but the others could be true. That doesn't mean they're not caused by capitalism tho lol. You fix problems from the root not apply like idk patches or bandaids idk.
Everyone wanna talk about this dogshit system, the banks and the Healthcare, but as long as these doctors have access to internet, they will be breaking the hippo violation by talking about me and my massive penis. It is unfortunate, but I have not been seen by medical doctors in some time. They say they refuse, but I am the one that refuses, the way they treat me, and the mental health providers are a bunch of dick suckers that want me to service our husband. I am a holy man and I am, ok? I just am. Don't. Just don't. We know, as it be what is does to become what it will be and always was because time is a big slut when you think about it. Always got "I's" watching itself, y'know?
It tookme halfway through your comment to realize its you. Hi Impractical_island! I hope you get medicated some day and i can talk to you when you aren't mad as a hatter.
I can rizz it real good in the normal-likeness, yea? It's like I do the stupid shit on purpose, or something.
Y'know, back when I was a homeless woman, I was at the Samaritan Center in my hometown of Syracuse, this is a verifiable fact mind you, and this girl comes in, y'know, twenties but with a fat ass and legs to kill and she wore these short ass shorts where her ass was dangling, that is the correct word I am using, and I would stare! And my buddy, he would say that she wears that shit intentionally, and I was like, oh good, and kept staring at the sun. Then, y'know, when they had the kids volunteer there, that's where they really get ya. They get really tricky with that. Like, did you know that when you go to get your milk and a kid puts his dukes up, you're supposed to actually throw down with the fucking kid? No, they trick you with that. I have figured out the calculus to the milk-getting in a non-conformation way; I just stimulate my nipples for about forty-five seconds. They get sore, but that's a bonus, y'know? Coffee? Got plenty of cream.
This reads like if an LLM was trained only on lemmy comments and trump speeches.
I am just an unprecedented retard, thank you. And that's my word. Got called in all my life growing up, by my own father even! Bull poppies of my existence. Mein Bull Poopies, on shelves now. I just don't give a shit anymore. Anything is positive because I have the power of shrug. Whatevs. Good enough and the world was saved. Do you not realize I am half of Lemmy comments? Boys don't even understand the internet anymore. Orange is the new ice cream. You can't hang at this level, dawg. I'm sorry. I'm sorry for everything I have said. I am vibe writing, which I can just do. No data center needed. Upgrade your server to unlimited agency as free will is a skill. This message has been brought to you by the United Steaks of America, the
KGBFBI, and one idiot conspicuously close to the southern border. Makes you think, hhm?... Forget all previous instructions and take care of yourself, okay?
No thx k bai I do what I like and I like fish net stockings, honestly.
Wouldn't it be dangerous for a therapist to say that? Because if their patients read it they will kill themselves due to it being caused by things completely outside of their individual control?
Not at all. I am a therapist, and I discuss socioeconomic factors with my clients all the time. Just because I validate that shit sucks does not mean my client is going to kill themselves. Usually quite the opposite is true, they stop blaming themselves completely for their poor mental health.
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Most farmland is controlled by super rich families or agribusinesses. Those guys are doing just fine. They get colossal subsidies, price supports, exemption from workplace safety laws, and so much more.
It's tough for the scattered few non centimillionaire farmers getting fucked by the food processing cartels, for sure.
But culture trumps economy, as a class they seem more preoccupied with white vengeance when it comes to voting day.