My boss works from home and has a baby who hates his work voice (by which I mean his normal voice), so lately our morning calls have involved 15 minutes of normal work followed by some baby screaming, followed by the next 10 or 15 minutes of him using a silly song-song voice to talk about tech metrics and whatnot. I like to reply with my patronizing voice.
Huh interesting. We had a chat with our midwife and she offhandedly said it would be easier on parents to skip the baby talk/voice, and just speak in your normal calm voice so the baby gets used to the "real" you.
I guess your story perfectly illustrates her point.
Baby talk has its place. It's structured to help with learning to talk. It also acts as an indicator "pay attention to this". The mistake most parents make is continuing it too long. Once they start talking, shift out of it to full sentences etc.
That said, if they only hear you talking baby talk, you're doing them a disservice. They need both.
In the OP, the baby likely just wanted more attention. Non-baby talk = less attention, in their mind.
I watched a documentary on it a while back. Basically, baby talk actually follows a lot of rules religiously, that often gets blurred in normal speech. This lets babies lock on to the rules faster. The sounds are also emphasised. This makes mouth movements more obvious, and gives a better reference for practice. It also includes a lot of repetition, which also helps with practicing hearing words, rather than just sounds. The sing song nature also acts as an indicator. This talking is for you to learn from.
Once they start speaking however, you want to transition to full sentences. The sing song nature can hang around, along with slightly simplified language. Think of it like training wheels. Great for early learning, but a detriment if left in use too long.
Mine was reliably responding to commands at around 3 months. About 6 months for first words. They were talking in full sentences happily about 18 months (I think. We didn't get full night sleeping till gone 24 months. The period is slightly blurry.)
It's not for everyone. The continuous grind is exhausting. However, having a little bit of your soul outside your body, and vulnerable, has an incredible effect on your motivation. I find myself happy to push through exhaustion to set something up for my little minion. For them it's a fun activity for an hour. For me, it's several hours of work to give them a fun experience.
You kinda don't have a choice. Babies/kids are not going to respond to anger well and it's also not something you want them to emulate. Also trading off with the other parent or family is also helpful when it gets too much. Thinking about it that honestly applies across most if not all relationships but especially in teaching/mentoring
My white German Shepherd tries to herd us all into bed at night. She snaps she growls she barks. She has very strong opinions about what the pack should be doing when the sun goes down. She's very sweet but she's also very pushy.
She snaps she growls
She has very strong opinions about what the pack should be doing
that's neither acceptable nor cute. dog is not the one who should be making decisions about what the pack is doing. you should do something about it before it ends bad for the dog and/or someone else.
Just FYI, the Alpha Pack Theory has been thoroughly discredited. I hope the other poster is addressing problematic behavior (if it exists) with their vet and other experts, but we have no idea. The "pack", however, has nothing to do with it...
Just FYI, the Alpha Pack Theory has been thoroughly discredited
that is completely irrelevant to the point i am making. the dog should still not set the rules of the household and enforce them with their teeth, because if you let such behaviour continue, it will sooner or later get someone hurt and the dog euthanized.
I have a pit mix but he definitely gets upset when the humans are not in their proper places at bed time. His house, his rules. Too bad we don't follow his rules so he just marches around us all night.
My cats behave similarly - if i am not lying down so they can cuddle with me in the evening, one of them starts giving me little love bites all over my arm and the other one becomes annoying as fuck by throwing small things off tables and stuff like that
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My boss works from home and has a baby who hates his work voice (by which I mean his normal voice), so lately our morning calls have involved 15 minutes of normal work followed by some baby screaming, followed by the next 10 or 15 minutes of him using a silly song-song voice to talk about tech metrics and whatnot. I like to reply with my patronizing voice.
Huh interesting. We had a chat with our midwife and she offhandedly said it would be easier on parents to skip the baby talk/voice, and just speak in your normal calm voice so the baby gets used to the "real" you.
I guess your story perfectly illustrates her point.
Baby talk has its place. It's structured to help with learning to talk. It also acts as an indicator "pay attention to this". The mistake most parents make is continuing it too long. Once they start talking, shift out of it to full sentences etc.
That said, if they only hear you talking baby talk, you're doing them a disservice. They need both.
In the OP, the baby likely just wanted more attention. Non-baby talk = less attention, in their mind.
Eh, I don't know. Ours had no trouble talking in full sentences by 2 without it. I'm interested to see some data.
Also our indicator of "pay attention to this" was, well, giving them some attention. Eye contact, touch, etc.
But yeah, sample size of one. Maybe you're right. I don't know. Kids are weird. ¯\\_(ツ)_/¯
I watched a documentary on it a while back. Basically, baby talk actually follows a lot of rules religiously, that often gets blurred in normal speech. This lets babies lock on to the rules faster. The sounds are also emphasised. This makes mouth movements more obvious, and gives a better reference for practice. It also includes a lot of repetition, which also helps with practicing hearing words, rather than just sounds. The sing song nature also acts as an indicator. This talking is for you to learn from.
Once they start speaking however, you want to transition to full sentences. The sing song nature can hang around, along with slightly simplified language. Think of it like training wheels. Great for early learning, but a detriment if left in use too long.
Mine was reliably responding to commands at around 3 months. About 6 months for first words. They were talking in full sentences happily about 18 months (I think. We didn't get full night sleeping till gone 24 months. The period is slightly blurry.)
I have so much empathy for parents with their seemingly endless patience, I know I wouldn't last a month in their position.
It's not for everyone. The continuous grind is exhausting. However, having a little bit of your soul outside your body, and vulnerable, has an incredible effect on your motivation. I find myself happy to push through exhaustion to set something up for my little minion. For them it's a fun activity for an hour. For me, it's several hours of work to give them a fun experience.
It is, as far as I can tell, a neverending learning exercise for parent and child both.
Am adult child, can confirm.
You kinda don't have a choice. Babies/kids are not going to respond to anger well and it's also not something you want them to emulate. Also trading off with the other parent or family is also helpful when it gets too much. Thinking about it that honestly applies across most if not all relationships but especially in teaching/mentoring
My white German Shepherd tries to herd us all into bed at night. She snaps she growls she barks. She has very strong opinions about what the pack should be doing when the sun goes down. She's very sweet but she's also very pushy.
that's neither acceptable nor cute. dog is not the one who should be making decisions about what the pack is doing. you should do something about it before it ends bad for the dog and/or someone else.
Humans often don't get as much sleep as they probably should.
https://www.cdc.gov/sleep/data-research/facts-stats/adults-sleep-facts-and-stats.html
That dog might just know best.
You people draw the longest conclusions from the scantest evidence.
I think it's time for you to divorce the dog, hit a lawyer, delete the gym, etc
Damn it. I hit social media, deleted the lawyer, and took the dog to the gym!
🤣 can't be a better representation of how the reddit hivemind worked in the before times.
the commenter i replied to wrote it pretty clearly there, white on dark grey. i am not making any conclusions, i am simply reading what they wrote.
Just FYI, the Alpha Pack Theory has been thoroughly discredited. I hope the other poster is addressing problematic behavior (if it exists) with their vet and other experts, but we have no idea. The "pack", however, has nothing to do with it...
that is completely irrelevant to the point i am making. the dog should still not set the rules of the household and enforce them with their teeth, because if you let such behaviour continue, it will sooner or later get someone hurt and the dog euthanized.
I have a pit mix but he definitely gets upset when the humans are not in their proper places at bed time. His house, his rules. Too bad we don't follow his rules so he just marches around us all night.
My cats behave similarly - if i am not lying down so they can cuddle with me in the evening, one of them starts giving me little love bites all over my arm and the other one becomes annoying as fuck by throwing small things off tables and stuff like that
So funny
You should tell your dog that donuts and other unhealthy snacks are only allowed on weekends. Instant diet hack!
She does this thing she calls the "jump back jack"
What a bitch