consider it this way: getting old may suck. getting old, sick and having strokes sucks way more and just makes you miserable and a burden to a bunch of people who didnt deserve it. you wont be taking it out your enemy. just hurting yourself and finding more reasons to hate yourself.

Nope. And that's not why I didn't discuss it.

There are things you are definitely responsible to yourself for. Such as you're decisions of what you are doing to you're own body with what you are cognitively aware of consuming. Such as smoking or too much alcohol or food.

You're just talking about all things that seem impossible to control just to get the focus off yourself.

That's how an addict would speak. That's an old addict trick.

seat belts alone are not as safe considering the side bags and front bags you get with a bucket seat

so if you rejoin you live forever?

part 1 & 2

doesnt sound like youd poop very often too

You are so close yet so far. You're still missing that one link of refinement to make your argument water tight and it is very important to acknowledge nuance here.

You don't suddenly eat less just cuz you changed what you're eating. Caloric intake is still requiring to be the same.

If you change to plants you need less animals to eat. They'd in turn require less.

You can't just lazily spew thermal dynamics and nothing to connect it. It makes you sound almost smart but missing the point.

Again you keep missing your opportunity regardless how often I'm bringing it to you on a silver platter. I'm arguing with myself for you...and its a point i actually agree with. And yet you still keep missing it lol. im not even àrguing against thermal dynamics. i was arguing consiousness. you are so lost. I guess some ppl really can't be helped.

You failing to look beyond high school at the larger work in which real scientists are even debating is where I believe you lost your ground.

But go back and enjoy high school basics all you want. Be my guest. I'm just not devolving to that level just to have a conversation with you.

All this just so you can emotionally manipulate others while you eat plants.

Personally I'll stick to eating plants and without the emotional manipulation bullshit and will call it out. i will call it bullshit. Relentlessly. Cuz that is what it is. And you can continue obsessively Live angry about it.

wow someone hates gamers

ah yes the whole thing where there can only be one wrong thing at a time and multitasking is a lie. republican logic is at it again.

same damage. animal eats plant. you are also eating plants. there isnt a zero sum just cuz you moved off of one onto the other.

had you argued less animal farming you might have had a good point as feeding large amounts of meat is inefficent.

you really missed your chance there.

Neither do you.

In simple terms you can understand: I do not agree on their definition of consciousness.

The paper became irrelevant as a point for us to agree on anything after that.

Want to disagree on fairy tales of sky daddies? It would be just as concrete at this point.

Never said we weren't.

as far as efficiency and better for environment we have been on the same page since the beginning.

The only problem I spoke up against here is the conscious guilt trip should be considered a non starter.

paywall bullshit

Tell that to the humans that were born with very little brain matter to live a full life.

Neuroscience holds little over jellyfish, starfish and sea cucumbers which have no brain.

"implies"

You said so yourself.

My job isn't too prove your "maybe" or validate your imaginary thinking. I owe you no such research. Indicating as if i had any such obligation is just more emotional manipulation.

I refuse to be moved by any such manipulation.

And that's the problem I have with the current idea of vegan behaviors .

Sure, it's all Ok to act in absolutes around consciousness while you eat plants. Every other sector of science is operating in doubts until your eating plants. You can't have it both ways. That is absolute bullshit.