Michigan Nurse Chloe Freeman Prosecuted After Helping Patient Escape ICE
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A real American Hero. Very appropriate name lol
I'll donate a crowbar to her cause
The Underground Railroad was also illegal. But we obviously celebrate it today.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One_Day%2C_Everyone_Will_Have_Always_Been_Against_This?wprov=sfla1
You uh....sure about that?
At least when I was a kid in Seattle we were taught about it in very positive (if somewhat sanitized) terms. I'd expect the Confederate states to be less excited about it.
Grew up in Alabama and was taught about the underground railroad in a positive way.
Despite what you hear, it's not still the 1860s here
It's not that long ago that "the War of Northern Aggression" was a thing, and there's plenty of people alive that physically fought against the Civil Rights Movement. We aren't nearly far enough away from slavery for me to give The South the benefit of the doubt.
Despite what you hear, in your own specific town, in your own specific school, you are a sample size of one - You can't just blanket claim that the American south has meaningfully progressed on behalf of all the fervent majority trump supporting states.
Also, "taught... In a positive way" is an extremely subjective assessment considering both the content itself and your recalling it from long memory. Many of us also thought we had the real version or the "right" version until we tried to actively learn the objective truth.
Cool. Start acting like it
How many plantation weddings have you been to?
In America? Yes.
The Nazi's haven't won yet, they're just trying right now.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fugitive_Slave_Act_of_1850
Even before this, slaves were literally considered the property of the slave owner, so yes they considered it illegal to "take away their property"
https://maps.app.goo.gl/nCQeUkYoyzJiYi877
Maybe visit soon while you still have a chance.
Only partly joking. Wouldn't surprise me one single bit.
"What are you in for?"
"Human decency and compassion"
"Yeah, that'll do it"
First time?
Makes sense why the hospital fired her too. Can't afford do be associated with things like decency and/or compassion
Straight to the Group W bench.
Hope this good hearted lassie gets some local support and legal representation.
Ann Arbor is a generally considered a progressive college town. Odds are likely many locals have her back
Legal support, sure. But in addition to being prosecuted, she was also fired:
So this aspect isn’t just legal, or local.
To be fair, the health system is as criminal and malevolent as ICE.
Having previously worked for the "Catholic" hospital system Ascension, FUCK Catholic hospital systems. We used to be a local system (several hospitals in one city) that provided top-notch, academic, and ethical care. The nuns would walk around and hold motherfuckers accountable. I watched everything degrade quickly after Ascension took over. The nuns left, and slowly everyone in leadership, who used to be experienced doctors, nurses, and social workers, were replaced by people whose only experience was in business.
Nurses can walk into any hospital and get hired on the spot lol. Our medical system is crumbling and nobody wants to work in it anymore so they’re desperate for talent.
We need more people like Chloe Freeman.
The problem is that it's actually, literally criminal for them to deny entrance to the pigs.
Ohh! I love it when we LARP that we have some sort of legitimate legal / justice system!
We have an enforcement arm for the parasitic pedophile rapist class.
I'm an anarchist, brainlet, I just think it's embarrassing to try and get mad at the hospital about it.
You're just flat wrong though - the police do not have the right to enter a hospital beyond the public sections (generally, the waiting rooms) without a warrant or permission from the hospital. The hospital in this case gave the police that permission, and unless a statute exists in Michigan specifically allowing this (if one exists I haven't found it), they are absolutely at fault for doing so.
Trying to parse that last sentence. Who is at fault for doing what?
The hospital is at fault for letting the police in.
Wrong. That's why the guy got away and she was able to assist him in the first place, specifically because they weren't barging into operation areas.
My goodness, am I really?
Oh - I'm terribly sorry, but you appear to be mistaken. ICE were allowed into the hospital, and as written did not accompany him into the radiology room (since personnel generally do not stand around CT scanners due to the radiation hazard this makes sense). So the hospital does therefore seem to have been at fault for allowing them to accompany the patient - but thank you for looking out for accuracy in comment sections!
I'm confused by the whole "fault" thing. I EMT'd for about a decade, and there were times we had police escorts, and they'd absolutely come all the way in and stay with the patient the whole time. Just my experience, and maybe I'm confused by the point you're making.
That being said, the hospital is private property. The hospital presumably has an understanding, and it may be written and memorialized in some sort of agreement, that cops are welcome on the property, in the same way just about anyplace that exists in society does. Maybe not a private residence, but anywhere public may go.
Anarchists don’t bow to authority, poser.
Pragmatic ones pick their battles instead of chasing martyrdom at the first opportunity.
Yep, and it's not even about picking battles or rEjEcTiNg aUtHoRiTy it's about not expecting a fucking hospital to lead the initial charge of the revolution.
Lemmy loves to shitpost about anarchism but I don't hear about any CEOs getting fragged on a weekly basis yet these lazy fucks think a corporate hospital admin team is supposed to hold the door.
The vast majority of hospitals in the US do not allow police entry without a warrant, safety concern or an emergent situation (or a procedural reason - victim interviews and similar are sometimes done in hospital, as well as supervision of physical evidence collection (or the actual collection itself if the hospital doesn't have a certified forensic examiner (or legal/jurisdictional equivalent) on staff)), why are you just making stuff up you clearly don't know about dude?
Missed the point, friend
No, I didn't. They're just fucking stupid.
What's a warrant?
disagree, its actually literally not criminal. They dont get to just barge onto private property and do whatever they want. They need a warrant. And no one is required to help them in any way. Their mission is their problem, not anyone elses in a private healthcare setting. They can wait in the waiting room with their thumbs up their asses like everyone else.
This is a catholic hospital. Shame on the catholic church for collaborating with fascism. again.
Catholic hospitals have pretty much nothing to do with the church today. They are exclusively businesses, and they pay less taxes because they operate as religious nonprofits.
Be gay do crimes then.
The President is literally a criminal.
Oh joy, now we're criminally charging people for being...checks notes good people.
👨🚀🔫👨🚀
She is now permanently on the right side of history with women like Irena Sendler, Corrie Ten Boom and many others who resisted nazis to help save people.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irena_Sendler
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corrie_ten_Boom
Yeah, I just hope she's not harshly punished for it.
She probably will be. They want people to be too afraid to help each other.
Questioned by the police? It's time to shut the fuck up
Good on her though
Yea, you can't continue to defy them if you tell them you're doing it.
Hopefully there's at least one person on the jury who knows about jury nullification
Exactly!
Almost as hot as Luigi
I don't know. I heard of several nurses who didn't believe in masks or vaccines in and around 2020. Demoralizing, for sure.
Nurses can be absolutely bonkers. I say this after knowing many and teaching many in my paint and sip classes. Nurses have always been the absolutely craziest people I’ve experienced.
My wife is in healthcare. Met many nurses. In my experience the most batshit crazy people in healthcare are psych workers, nurses and certain types of specialists eg ENT or orthopaedic.
Edit: batshit crazy in a good way, generally.
I was going to say that psych staff at a decent psych hospital are probably some of the best people you'll ever meet in healthcare
And the more specialized their nursing expertise, the crazier. Wound nurses are insane.
And God forbid you come across one that's also a horse girl.
Absolutely untrue. There are many horrid people in the service that should never have been allowed to be a nurse. Same with the military.
Oh god no. I know many amazing nurses, but there are just as many fucking terrible nurses. The older nurses I've worked with are significantly more likely to not give a fuck about their patients or colleagues, and also be extremely judgemental. This is a generalization, but based on my experience.
Stop with this weird hero worship shit.
It's not the public's job to aid in the arrest of people.
That's a fucking hero if i've ever heard of one.
Legend.
doing her duty saving lives.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One_Day%2C_Everyone_Will_Have_Always_Been_Against_This
She better be getting the best legal representation possible.
She is a hero that prevented an attempted kidnapping.
its important we call out the propaganda
clear throat
The Freeman has done a good deed, and for that, we salute you.
With a surname like freeman this is gonna be a pr niiightmaaaare
Anyone know if there's a legal defense fund to donate to?
Never really donated to a GoFundMe, so don't know how to verify if legit
https://gofund.me/5c117a185
That's courage, the magas and ice are cowards. Weak people who hide behind masks and cause suffering in the world. Courage wins over the cowards.
Heroes don't wear capes. They're just like all of us, but they one day... They decide to be better.
That sure is a guy with a name and probably address.
Proving once more that nurses are the true heroes of this planet.
This is what you like to see, not those who he let that man shot in the neck be released into ICE
Do no harm. Do know harm.
Seriously? The identity him as O B P?
These fuckers.
I read the name as Chlora Foreman and thought, ‘what an unfortunate name for a nurse.’
It's not worth it to catch a charge over "fighting" the government. Gen z and millennials really are hell bent on ruining their lives over activism.
Wow, that is a cowardly take.
How does the leather taste today?
How many charges do you have?
That's a weird way to say "I'm weak and can't understand people doing the right thing"
Lemmy is not for you.
You have as many upvotes here as people on lemmy have charges for fighting the government.