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Isn't most American SciFi the direct counterpart to British SciFi?
Also, my friend needs some examples of French SciFi.
The French sci-fi one is literally Moebius comics
My friend literally doesn't know what that is.
The Incal is fantastic. Last I heard some American studio was trying to make a movie out of it
Does your friend somehow not know that searching is a thing?
literally?
Fifth Element
Ah, Luc Besson, solid if not particularly deep entertainment. Just what the doctor ordered.
We'll see about those breasts.
Barbarella. It’s an incredibly weird movie with
Brigitte BardotJane Fonda as the bombshell. Pretty sure the provided definition of french sci-fi is based on this movie.Edit: misremembered the actress
One of my favorite memories is watching someone on acid watching Barbarella for 10 minutes.
It's a fun, goofy movie. But the blue knife-teeth babies will ruin your week.
American sci-fi goes all over the place. Look at Phillip K. Dick for instance.
That dude was on an island by himself with the insane shit he wrote
I'm fairly sure that's half referring to Fantastic Planet, but might also Gandahar. Both rated PG for copious unfun, more like decorative boobs.
In addition to Moebius, you can also check out the Valérian et Laureline comics. They fit the script (but they are so much more !)
I need to watch more French Sci-Fi
just read some Metal Hurlant and Pilote - it is way wilder than the movies.
At the same time, go watch Heavy Metal. The soundtrack alone is well worth it.
and Metal Hurlant Chronicles if you can find it not in potato quality
Here you go: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt4827558
Total shit. I'm posting this so you realize you actually don't need to watch more French Sci-Fi.
Watch some Spanish Sci-Fi like this, this, this, this or even this instead.
Well France did "Le Voyage Dans la Lune" in1892 (the first ever SF movie) and more recently "Fifth Element" and "Mars Express".
City of lost children
Alphaville
Um, hate to remind you but Fifth Element came out 29 years ago. Fucking Valerian adaptation is almost 10 years old already.
The Valerian movie is one of those movie I just can't get over. Like, it retroactively changed my understanding of bad chemistry so fundamentally that I genuinely get confused when people say that about other movies. It shifted my ability to tell in the way adding a thousand individual 0s to a data set shifts the average.
At the same time, it every single other facet of the movie is so astoundingly good that I can't forget it, the concepts it brings are just too deep and rich in flavor to not want more from it.
In a perfect world we'd get a spoof of the production of the movie where the director is some aged Playboy uncle to Dane Dehaan and has spent a fortune and called in decades worth of favors to orchestrate the production of this movie just to put his cronically unfuckable nephew in direct contact with the actress he's obsessed with in hopes of reliving his youthful conquests vicariously through this kid who embodies all of the distasteful behaviors of that era without any of the charisma and passé that made it acceptable at the time.
Fuck... I need to watch that movie again...
It was probably meant for people who want to fuck their sister, because those two had immense sibling energy. Unfortunately they also had immense asexual energy.
Read the comics (Bande dessinée). And it should have been named Laureline. Valérian can manage but Laureline is the true heroine.
The main character is a boy who tells the story of the movie to his big sister while swinging is can of mountain dew. He is to young to understand romantic relationships so he just copies the stuff he has seen on the old VHS of his das/uncle. Thats why the trash props are all plastic tubes and papermash.
Its a tribute to the young fans of scyfi who grew up in this weird male view of what outer space would be confronted with the view of the sisters friends and mothers of those boys who liked the stories as well but spun a wider more based Version of the caged male fantasy of "different".
Trust me watch this shit in acid. It will blow your mind "anders" (as the german kids like to say ;))
Dehaan was kinda hot shit back when he was cast even though it was instant miscast (he was in that weird Metallica movie among other things and he did well in A Cure for Wellness) - but by the time the movie came out he was as cold as two day shit. So that's on Besson. Miles Teller or Alden Ehrenreich would've been better choices because they have punchable faces and a shit eating grins which is integral part of early Valerian - that dude was obnoxious.
funny thing is that Bruce Willis in Fifth Element is actually quite accurate latter day jaded Valerian - so it is not like Besson couldn't figure out how to do that character but i guess EuropaCorp had softened his brains quite a bit.
Still over 100 years more recent than the other one. And, incidentally, a time I still remember well. When Fifth Element came out, that is.
man, i wish i could remember 1902 well as well.
Don't remind me please. I like being blissfully ignorant of how fast time flies.
And the jetty from which 12 monkeys was ripped.
Yes, Mars Express was actually really good but it's as oversexed as most of French cinema (except for comedies which consist mostly of shouting).
It's not over-sexed for Frenchies ...
Alien 4 of all things is actually pretty accurate adaptation of Metal Hurlant wacky aesthetics.
British sci-fi is more likely one of these:
There's definitely a pattern there.
all three of that is just Doctor Who,
don't forget that Black Mirror started british
I think the second one is Blake's 7.
Third is Red Dwarf
i'll bet both of ya that Doctor Who has at least 3 episodes that fit each of those exact descriptions
All of you are correct! 😂
more like thirty three. you underestimate the variety of 3, 4, 5 Doctors
I read the first one as Hitchhikers Guide. Or maybe that's 3
or Red Dwarf
Space.
British sci-fi is more like:
"Oh freddled gruntbuggly,Thy micturations are to me as plurdled gabbleblotchits"
Edit: the down votes are disturbing. Do people hate HHGTG or do they not know it? Both are horrible options.
...on a lurgid bee. Groop! I implore thee, my foonting turlingdromes...
As someone who reads scifi like a chain smoker in a tobacco warehouse, this reads as somewhat antiquated. Niven and Heinlein and such back in the day, definitely in the American camp on how they wrote women and relationships, not seeing much of that lately though. Heavy lean on military scifi instead. Most of it narrated by RC Bray.
Silo series was American. Though that felt like the smart man’s Fallout as a writing prompt. Chuck Wendig, American. Maybe we all just have apocalypse on the brain the last decade.
Not sure the space romance thing is limited to one country’s culture. God save us all from young adult fiction of any kind, because this is the main plot.
The real issue in scifi rn is the multiverse popping up like the vampire trend back in the Sookie Stackhouse days. Every other description of newly “printed” scifi I’ve read in my book searches this year: multiverse. Is everyone just out of ideas?
I liked it better when it felt like the scifi market was trying to find the next expanse.
Everyone wants to leave this reality
Either that or it’s what AI is doing in their infiltration of the book market.
I hate multiverse stories. Give me oppressive time loops instead.
You are correct.
I think the meme's about some popular films & TV shows and anyhow it's just a version of countless "A British, an American and a French scientist meet in a bar" jokes.
SciFi in literature is alive and kicking and just as multifaceted and nationality-defeating as ever.
If anything, it’s more popular, even mainstream, now.
Australian Sci-Fi: The rest of the world is forced to live in a desert wasteland full of criminals the way we do every day, and they struggle to adapt.
And we bring back the Australian car manufacturing sector!
And the leatherworking industry!
And the leather daddy industry!
And raves!
Wait, we are bringing back raves, right?
And we have telepathic dogs who teach us that women are bad
What
It's not Australian, but that sounds like A Boy and His Dog.
I have a vague recollection of what he's talking about but also demand an explanation
Real Australian Sci-fi: What if there was a woman named Muriel who loved Abba and went on vacation?
So Mad Max (the original)
British Sci-fi: Threads
And the American version was The Day After (1983)
Entirely different movies with the same premise. The Day After messed me up as a kid. But Threads haunts me as an adult.
The Day After gets way more fucked up when you watch the roundtable discussion that took place after its premiere. Now that's some parallel reality mental prolapse.
oh wow, Carl Sagan and henry kissinger on that panel for the discussion, with Ted Koppel mediating 🫥 god, remember when news was interesting and not 24/7 doom-rage mind rot?
there was a month and half period when ukrainian news broadcasted wall-to-wall gorefest. and then Bucha was liberated and it wasn't shits and giggles anymore.
Oooh, where's that at? I'd love to watch it
its on youtube. and it is quite fucked up. with folks like that end of the world is probably the best case scenario.
as an addon - there was also BBC After Dark episode about Chornobyl which was "white people feeling bad about famine in Africa" level of white savior bullshit - their arrogance is actively repulsive.
There's also When the Wind Blows, if you want to be depressed but also want an absolute banger of a soundtrack.
Also the inspiration for a banging Iron Maiden track.
Best on that album for sure
This makes the running joke from Extras where everyone would get the name of the main character's show wrong (a silly British sitcom called "when the whistle blows") even funnier
When the Wind Blows is borderline optimistic compared to Watership Down.
it's technically a docudrama. and then it gets bored.
Canadian/German sci-fi: All of the above.
LEXX - The Beginning + Brunnen G Fight Song looks very interesting, but not much plot. There's another video, a review of the show with heavy spoilering, quick FFWD recommended, which then praises its complexity and creativity, comparing it to Terry Gilliam amongst others... that's enough for me, I'm in.
Tim Curry as Poet Man. Fun show.
There's actually a lot of decent sci Fi with Canadian creators / writers / cast / filming location
The main rule is that it will be set anywhere but Canada
Yes, yes, we’ve all seen the Stargate shows and films
This just made me think of the show Continuum... I think I only watched the first couple seasons, I remember starting to lose interest at one point but it was years ago. Maybe I'll revisit.
Show was Canadian as fuck though haha.
The cube is amazing
British sci-FI: nuclear war. Almost everyone dead. Bit of a Tuesday, innit?
Oh well, off to work lads, tally ho!
Rodney: But Deell! Grandad's got his foot stuck in the replicator, and the soylent police keep putting knives and forks through the letterbox!
*laughter*
Delboy: I'll put you plonkers both through the letterbox if you dont hush up!
*laughter, applause*
Polish Sci-Fi: two guys wake up from hibernation in a world where men went extinct and have to convince all the women that world with them was actually not that bad and old order should be restored.
and the credits roll over a still frame of an toddler's penis. that movie was messed up.
Well, it's from the 80s... Other than that it's very mild when it comes to any sexual content but very funny. Best Polish Sci-Fi ever made. Not that Polish cinema is famous for it's Sci-Fi (or fantasy for that matter. anyone saw Polish The Witcher? 😂 ) but definitely worth watching.
Polish Witcher is actually better than Netflix Witcher. At least it sticks to source material... somewhat.
On the Silver Globe enters chat. it's a mess and a slog to watch at times, but gotta respect the ambition.
Agreed, Polish Witcher is so bad that I was literally ROTFLing during some scenes but it still somehow had a better vibe than the one from Netflix.
it feels homely unlike the corporate slop vibe of the netflix one
Death by snu-snu?
Russian sci-fi: every single person in the future is white.
Tbf, that's pretty close to how most of Russia already is.
To be equally fair, though, that's probably mostly because it's a very racist country with an ethnonationalist government.
Actually, 70% of citizens identify as ethnic Russians: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_groups_in_Russia
In US 60% of people identify as white.
There's big population of Tatars, Chechens and bunch of other Asian ethnic groups. No idea how are they represented in Russian cinema though.
They don't. 😂
My family migrated from the Soviet Union in 1989. My mother still watches Russian media. They're all white. All of them. Ever.
Case by case thing, maybe?
My mother's side migrated in 1800s, they still speak Adyghe and they still correct people calling them Russian.
Tho they identify as white ...mostly because Circassians fucking are.
I mean ya... They're probably the only actual "white people" on earth.
I'm from what is now Ukraine I consider myself to be white but if your family hails from around that area you're more white than me.
The bad guys in Brother from 1997 aren't white I guess.
identify doesn't mean all of them are white. Lots of kalmyks, buryats and yakuts identify themselves as russians. it's been an umbrella identity for quite a while.
Australians did the Seppo Nuclear Apocalypse first.
That was the whole premise behind MadMax 2.
American sci-fi: America is technologically, morally, physically, and intellectually superior. And the answer to all ills is more science.
Make it so, number one.
Old Russian scifi: welcome to the crapsack post-apocalypse. It's strangely similar to the current day. So, the protagonists do what current day people do: grim philosophical brooding.
Current Russian scifi: Awesome Russian soldier dude gets isekai'd to World War 2 and defeats the evil Western bastards. Help the author is trapped in Putin's book factory send help
Current Russian* SciFi RPG: The Soviet era was awesome! Just kidding, this dystopic post-apocalyptic world is a better place to live than the real thing.
*actually made by an international group of developers living in Latvia, Ukraine, and Poland as well as Russia
That last one might not be sci-fi for long
Ukrainian sci-fi: Everybody just fucking dies. Nobody's fault, really. And there's meaningless but meaningful love. Also, it also functions as a very long music video for the song "Voyage Voyage", whose lyrics the author of the manuscript has clearly seen translated. (Referring here to "U Are the Universe", which I liked a lot!)
swedish sci-fi for some reason: 200-page rhyming epics exploring the human need for self-expression even in the face of certain doom or et but in the woods. there is no in-between.
Aniara is amazing! Like really, it might not be quite a typical sci-fi story but it is really good. Also so confusing, Harry Martinsson makes up soo many words.
Absolutely worth reading!
Also, it does not rhyme. He uses a verity different meter throughout the book, few of which rhyme. A lot is free verse. Also the first 29 songs were apparently written under trance. It is truly a very, very strange book.
For a hint at what it's like, I'd like to quote the second song (so no spoilers here, this is the beginning of the book)
Read the rest of the masterpiece at the internet archives!
It looks like if James Joyce lived in a slow-rotating space colony.
I can appreciate prose like that, but I personally don't like reading "challenging" things when I'm reading for pleasure.
I didn't know about Arne goes to space but now I desperately want to see it... That trailer is just wonderfully goofy
At one point in my life, every time I got a serious stomach flu, I would watch Threads (1984) so I could enjoy my life.
By Dawn's Early Light and The Day After are fun too.
British one sounds realistic
The British one is just British Sci.
Vander Meer’s Big Book of Sience Fiction has countless stories that run at odds to the sentiment in this post.
Agreed I'd say the most famous sci-fi don't touch on any of these but it is just a joke post I guess
Yeah I neglected to add that Vander Meer’s motivation for making the anthology was specifically to try and crush the preconception of Sci-Fi this post is a part of!
Judge Dredd, Threads, Lifeforce(Kind of) certainly supports the UK sci fi Idea. French scifi is a little more like EVERYONE ,good and Bad is turned on at all times. American sci fi is spot in,i can't think of any counter evidence.
Nah, the American one is really just Strangers In A Strange Rant on Radical Polyamorous Misogynistic Libertarianism.
So what you're saying is that French sci-fi is the most realistic of all fiction? 🤔
Heavy Metal,fifth element even Alien 4 spring to mind.
Pretty much anything written by Phillip K. Dick, for one.
Hey! There are also Japanese sci-fi which just validate the author's fetishes. There's even two I know where that fetish is specifically polygamy.
I'm a Judge Dredd fan, can confirm it's all Americas fault.
As someone who read more Honor Harrington than he should have, the American one is a bit on the nose.
"Time Enough for Love" by Robert Heinlein 😬 about a man that, basically, can live forever. ::: spoiler spoiler He and his descendants live for so long, that sex loses meaning, and becomes some sort of "adult playtime" that he, inevitably, has with his actual children. Granted, the children are also like a thousand years old at this point too, but, still. :::
Lazarus Long? IIRC he's also his own parents due to time travel shenanigans. During his early adulthood, he gets a one night stand pregnant and never sees her again. A couple hundred years later he transitions to a woman, for reasons, goes back in time, gets pregnant from a one night stand with a drifter. Both are him. Robert Heinline was a little messed up.
He started writing normal books again after having a brain tumour removed.
I only wish the audio books were available in non-amazon sources.
I never thought to meet someone else who read those.
Guilty pleasure, really.
I didn't know Wall-E was Japanese... well, his parts could be made in Japan.
Domo arigato, Mr Roboto?
Ukrainian sci-fi killer robots kill russians... oh wait... that's not sci-fi. Since when we're living in Second Variety?
Mmm, yearning robots in space... 🫠
Brb, gonna sample some sci-fi
Are the Japanese robots pink?
They are if Yoshimi battles them!
Wasn't sure if anyone was going to pick up on that.
It's one of my favorite Guitar Hero/Rock Band songs to sing and just an absolute banger in general 😁
One of my favorite albums.
But Fallout is American, not British
Feargus Urquhart is a Scottish-American dual citizen born and raised in Scotland. I'd say that qualifies Fallout as partly British 😉
Japanese: Gundam, obviously
American: gotta be Stranger in a Strange Land by Robert A Heinlein
French: idk. Flash Gordon, Attack of the 50’ Woman, and Barberella are what come to mind, but those are American films
British: Time Machine by HG Wells of course
Valerian and Laureline seems to fit