Anyone who walks through the city with the glasses would have to inform passers-by in advance orally or even wear safety vests with inscriptions in order to meet the requirements of the European Court
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GDPR vs. Smart Glasses: Why Ray-Ban Meta Carriers Can Be Held Liable
A new data protection report teaches: Anyone who films uninvolved third parties with smart glasses or allows Metas AI training loses the privilege of the budget exception. reading aloud Print view 53 Read comments Close-up of a black Ray-Ban-Meta-Smart glasses with integrated camera in the eyeglass frame and mirrored lenses on a wooden table. Close-up of a black Ray-Ban-Meta-Smart glasses with integrated camera in the eyeglass frame and mirrored lenses on a wooden table.
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The dispute over smart glasses in everyday life continues. After prohibition demands occupied the policy and the Federal Network Agency fit in due to lack of handling, the Hamburg data protection officer Thomas Fuchs has followed up with an investigation by the Ray-Ban Meta AI Glasses. The analysis is clear: For the everyday use of data glasses in public spaces, there is therefore hardly a legally compliant basis, as long as Meta does not improve on construction method and presets.
In the laboratory, the Hamburg data protectionists dismantled the first-generation Meta Wayfarer model and analyzed the traffic. They quickly reached their limits: The 32-gigabyte flash memory had no standardized connections, the data transmission of the app remained encrypted. In the application memory of the smartphone, however, the examiners came across a discovery: In the internal SQLite database, there are table structures with designations such as “face”, “face_group” or “face_low_confidence_pair”.
Although these tables remained empty in the tests and currently no biometric facial recognition takes place, the substructure for automated person matching is already anchored. The authority also refers to security researchers who briefly managed to unlock a facial recognition function. Meta responded with a covert update. The fact that the Group is technically providing for the identification of people in the future by comparison is a bad blow to the inspectors.
Another point of criticism concerns transparency towards third parties. Externally, the data glasses hardly differ from the Wayfarer classic from the 1950s. Passers-by do not realize that they are captured by video camera, five microphone systems and AI assistant. The signal light proves to be largely ineffective: In daylight, the white LED is barely perceptible and sometimes does not signal direct AI interactions at all. When spectacle wearers become data processors
In addition, there is the vulnerability to manipulation. The protective mechanism, which is intended to prevent images when the LED is concealed, can be tricked with foils or caps. Video recordings launched once continue, even when the signal light is subsequently taped off. This means that the glasses miss the European privacy-by-design requirement. According to the report, this allows for secret surveillance that is incompatible with the General Data Protection Regulation (GDPR).
The classification of data protection law is of serious consequences for the buyers themselves. The budget exception protects private individuals from the GDPR obligations when taking up in a private environment. Anyone who films strangers in public spaces or publishes recordings on social media loses this privilege. The authority clarifies that carriers then become fully responsible data processors. Intractable hurdles in everyday use
The situation becomes even trickier if users do not object to the meta default setting and train the AI model with interaction data. If images and audio signals of third parties are transmitted to the USA for AI training, the data leaves the private purpose. Users thus slip into joint responsibility with the US group pursuant to Article 26 GDPR. Since Meta does not offer an agreement to divide the duties, spectacle wearers move on thin ice.
In order to lawfully process images or conversations of third parties, institutions would either have to obtain informed consent or prove an overriding legitimate interest. Both fail because of everyday realities: effective approval requires prior enlightenment, which is in fact impossible in the face of the inconspicuous glasses. It doesn’t look like a common camera. Video recordings in public spaces can exceptionally be based on legitimate interests. With activated AI functions, however, the rights of the filmed almost always outweigh the rights.
Anyone who walks through the city with the glasses would have to inform passers-by in advance orally or even wear safety vests with inscriptions in order to meet the requirements of the European Court of Justice. Particularly sensitive are medical practices, demonstrations, women's shelters or playgrounds. The use of the Ray-Ban Meta AI Glasses in public space is thus difficult to legally design under data protection law.
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They need to have a dick tattooed on their foreheads, with flashing led subdermals in the ballsack.
That's already what I see in my mind's eye when someone walks by with those birth control goggles on
There are also phone apps which advice you if someone nearby wear smart glasses, eg.Nearby Glasses
I just had my first encounter with one of these dudes. He was at my booth at a market and picked up and read aloud the label of every single one of my products and I was really confused why and then saw his glasses. I didn't really know what to do. It was upsetting. I'm shy and don't like being filmed but it was a public space. I'm also horrible at confrontation and it takes a lot for me to speak up. Is there a light supposed to be on those glasses when they are actively recording? I'm trying to figure out if he was just unique or if I'm in his video somewhere.
Yet people film with their phones non stop. Guaranteed your in lots of videos over the years.
Anyone can tell at a glance that someone is filming with their phone.
The pervert glasses are designed to be stealthy, so we can't.
To be fair, that’s a great place to kick someone wearing smart glasses.
it's amazing for so many people to be that accurate on such a small target.
well fucking done 🤘🙂↕️
Some people pay good money for that kind of thing
Like whatever meta glasses cost kind of good money?
Bonus, you only have to pay it once this way! :p
There's also the surprise factor. Just going about your business, perving on girls, and POW! right in the nuts. That's gotta be someone's kink.
Man, that's just the best show.
Imagine someone in witness protection, or someone fleeing a dangerous person having their location leaked by these.
Indeed. Or a Jury and courtroom : which the Zuckerpath himself demonstrated.
Or find a way to make the complete social block real in the end of Black Mirror’s White Christmas.
In 2014 I vividly remember Google Glass wearers putting labels on them so people would know. (The few who weren't perverts, at least.)
Just a strong punch in the face.
There are some people who are visually impaired who are using them so maybe violent knee jerk responses should be tempered.
If the devices are capable of recording, no one should be wearing them.
Apparently it is too logical that they should be illegal.
Then they shouldn't mind wearing something that indicates that they are wearing and using the glasses. If it became routine that the only people wearing them were visually impaired and if they were not recording information, I don't think people would care as much. However I would bet that currently less than 1% of people with them have any visual impairment, just moral, ethical, and social impairments.
As a disabled dude, that very quickly can turn into 'they shouldn't mind wearing pink triangles (or anything else that I arbitrarily decide)'. While to you it may seem like nothing, to me, I'll throw hands and won't stop until one of us isn't moving - I fucking despise the fact that I need my cane to struggle hobbling along, that I am partially blind, need assistance from others regarding most things, etc, and wanting me ('they shouldn't mind') to broadcast that even louder for all to see, shame and mock even more than they already do (some people are fucking bastards), fuck you. I'm already in a bad way and your solution is to shun others for something they suffer from and can't control is abhorrent. Trying to gain assistance should not require (more) social stigma and embarrassment.
I'm annoyed by these glasses too, and we do need a real solution, but that is abso-fucking-lutely not the solution to go with.
I hate my disabilities, and struggle with depression and suicidal ideation because of them. I'm sure it wasn't your intention when you wrote this, but be better, please. We are normal people too, at our core.
I'd say that the solution is an aid that provides you with the assistance you need, rather than a device that streams everything back to meta and allows for clandestine recording, and as a society we should absolutely be making that happen. Anyone using an aid like that should be treated with all the dignity and respect that anyone else would. Anyone wearing glasses like this should absolutely be made to wear a mark of shame.
I know there are already wearables for people with sight loss available, although, after looking around, they're definitely not as cheap as these. Are they actually up to the job, or are people looking for alternatives?
In my experience, similar to ordering a cake vs ordering a wedding cake, devices aimed directly at the disabled are stupid expensive and are meh at best in actually being a helpful device. Pair that with many disabled people living off government assistance, which isn't enough for a home and steady supply of meals let alone nice-to-haves, (in the USA) unless you have a 3rd party health insurance footing the bill, it's unobtainium.
For example, I would very much like to get a power scooter. The last time I checked, the nice ones are 1.5k and up. I get a hair above 1k monthly, and that's with extra assistance for being so poor. And because of the extra assistance, if I try and save every penny to save for a scooter, I will risk hitting my 2k maximum in my bank account, and if so, I lose the extra assistance, permanently.
The government doesn't care, and the companies who do 'care' do so because they can gouge their customers. So while there should be products that are priced fairly and the government should actually provide an amount that doesn't leave people like me on the street (I'm with family for now, but they will pass eventually), neither is occurring. So while I don't own these or similar, I can absolutely understand why. It's an awful situation.
Every part of what you've described is awful, and I'm sorry you have to go through it. I have a family member with sight loss, but we're in the UK, so things aren't quite as bad as you're describing, but it seems like there's definitely a need for a fairly priced device that can help out.
I empathize with your condition, but glasses that record everything and everyone and shares that data with one of the worst companies in the world make it everyone's problem. I understand how these can be beneficial to you and others in similar situations, but sacrificing everyone else isn't the right answer.
What I would be okay with is if a medical provider created a similar product that doesn't record but has the ability to do the positive things that Meta glasses do and have them available only to those that get medical approval. I would even be okay if they recorded to a private, secure and encrypted place that is regulated and the data controlled like HIPPA so it couldn't be sold or used to train LLMs.
If this is the only solution, then everyone should have to identify they are wearing a recording device. It would single out people with disabilities, it would be everyone that used them.
I'm not arguing for these, as I consider myself a privacy advocate - I took issue with the degradation and humiliation that one might suffer from others. That part is absolutely not okay.
I disagree with being certified for medical use - that means prices go up up up, often out of reach of those who actually need it. But helpful, with data storage that is easily accessible should a patient or provider need it (fall events, for example) would be fantastic. I would argue facial recognition for family and friends, not from a cloud service but by manual entry, would be great too. Reminders and recognition of medication bottles, too. Stuff like that. Smartphones are handy, but even I forgot sometimes, even when alerts buzzing.
If we got a foss, medically oriented, that would be ideal I think. One that doesn't cost and arm and a leg.
You should be able to get normal looking glasses if you're legally blind or some other disability, otherwise they should be neon orange or something.
People blindly pushing for violence to this problem are fucking stupid.
We need to bring back bullying for certain things
"Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent" - Issac Asimov
Disagree. Some violence is based.
Cameras are everywhere, i dont think there is a realistic way to control your image, biometric data, observed behavior, etc.
The steps of invention: 1) invent a thing 2) abuse that thing / find out thing abuses people 3) Someone attempts to regulate or limit that thing 4) complain that it has always been this way and doing anything is a waste of time
Outlawing cameras seems a bit much.
Giving the government control over who has a cameras is a bad idea.
Slippery slope means we ban sketch artists, word processing, typewritters, and all forms of communication and documenting of facts.
On an individual level, no.
The only real solution is to start banning cameras, which requires state action.
Strawman argument, dude.
Nobody cares, do something else.
It's great to see it be taken seriously. I think it should be broadened to any camera that's hard to notice since someone can just do this with anything wearable. I'm not sure what should be done about having a phone in ones front pocket though, since it feels like the same but I figure phone need to be treated differently.
I figure there should be exceptions for blind people as well.
That's far too much thought out into "sensible legislation"
You need more zero tolerance and easily-exploitable, vague legalese.
I think goal is to at least keep recording glasses from gaining widespread adoption, since once that is culturally accepted then the fight is pretty much over.
So while there are other recording methods it is the reason this one has been the focus of attention.
for those looking for the original text which this post is a translation of: https://www.heise.de/news/DSGVO-Falle-Smart-Glasses-Warum-Ray-Ban-Meta-Traeger-haftbar-werden-koennen-11451607.html
Unfortunately it is like banning "bad words", grape and unalive just take their place, full meaning intact. The glasses manufacturer will just invest in better hidden cameras. Creepers gonna creep. Honestly, much more brutal laws against creeping and actual enforcement to make it a huge risk for some shoddy spank-bank deposits, would have people going "I'm not risking even wearing those" and the company suffering. Bottomlines are all that make things change anymore.
Original source, plz? (the German text)
Oh, I'm sorry. I put the link in the URL field, but when I added the image afterward it changed the link. I didn't know that happened. Looks like I can't have a URL different from the image. Seems odd.
That actually should be the case in some parts of the US if they actually enforced existing laws.
If you're referring to states where 2 party consent laws carry weight outside of phone calls, then to my not-a-lawyer knowledge it requires there be a reasonable expectation of privacy, which is pretty well established to exclude public (or private but open to public, like a mall) spaces. I think that exclusion is generally BS, but I really do recognize the difficult balance of freedom of press vs individual privacy. I just think there could be a good bit more nuance
In my state the public expectation of privacy exception requires OBVIOUS recording equipment to create implied consent. A hidden camera like this does not meet that requirement.
That's exactly the nuance I'm longing for; are you comfortable sharing which state? The precedent I'm familiar with uses a person's general expectation of privacy in a given environment as a test, which I understand but disagree with. I would much rather the standard be how your state handles it.
Just call them perverts