Bin Laden loved his kids. Part of the reason he moved to that compound in Pakistan was because he wanted his kids to have a semblance of a normal life. He's discuss politics with is Eldest daughters. When he was captured he was found asleep with his youngest son.
Western educated man who is pissed off at the US for abandoning his political ascension? Slightly better than a meth addicted turboracist, a crazy murderer, and a child molester. I doubt bin Laden is going to be able to do much opinion changing in a single evening and I doubt that he'd outright kill or molest them.
Bin Laden fathered 24 children, the first of which was with his first cousin when she was 16 and he was 17. They went on to have ten more children. The other 13 were spread amongst five other wives. They also found several beheading videos on his computer. He also believed muslims should kill any US civilians they find until the US withdraws support for Israel.
I think definitely killing and maybe molestation would be on the table.
Not even remotely close. I saw him first and before seeing the rest of the faces I already knew that this was an usian thing so he was going to be "a major evil".
Fact is, aside religion, we'd have a lot in common, including hating the US so, if any, it would give for an interesting evening for my kids and a more interesting post-evening chat with him.
The other 3, in my eyes, are way, waaaaaaaaaaaaaay worse.
Bin Laden could be trusted because from what I know he never purposely wanted kids targeted. One murdered several children, one murdered too many to count in concentration camps as well as ordering soldiers to do it because he didn't see them as human. The last one was a sex pest and I wouldn't trust kids with.
You must not know very much about Bin Laden. Give his Wikipedia articles a quick skim. Your kids wouldn't survive the night. If they survive an hour, it's because they decided to kill them slowly.
I just read every section that sounded relevant and he sounds like a great guy besides the religious fundamentalism. Wrote poetry, took his kids on picnics, encouraged the american public to work with Obama on stopping climate change...
Pretty sure I remember seeing he had a bunch of Naruto fansubs on his computer, too. He could even watch your weird kid and keep them entertained for the night.
"At the end of the day, there was so much doubt," the woman said. "The prosecution didn't have a figurative smoking gun. There was not a single moment throughout the presentation of that case where you could say 'Yup, 100% I'm certain she did it' or that she didn't do it. There was too much gray area."
This is a pretty bold take from you. I don't need GenAI to know who Hitler and Bin Laden are, but I googled the woman and P. Diddy as I am not from the US.
I cannot tell if the news sites I googled are LLM generated though. I don't want to be mean but maybe you should work on your trust issues.
Osama bin Laden loved his kids. He was hard on them, for sure, he was basically what you imagine when you think of a deep south US prepper survivalist - a bit eccentric and paranoid, but intelligent - he would be taking his kids on long hikes, teaching them how to sleep in the desert with only sand as a blanket, but he did it out of a deep desire to protect them and give them skills to survive.
I'd pass the Nurnberg check, so Hitler would a solid first-round pick. It's a toss about who would gendercode my kids more between him and Bin Laden. Lindsay What's-Her-Name and P. Diddy are automatic no's.
Alternatively, you reckon Osama could teach them basic engineering skills? If they are making phone-activated landmines surely they can put up some fun RF experiments.
It'd just be monkey bars all day. Monkey bars on loop, like on CNN in 2003. So much monkey bars your kids would be swole like great apes when you got back.
Woman who recently had a mistrial go viral for being the latest influencer courtroom case. Similar to Depp v Heard. The woman’s name is Lindsay Clancy, I believe.
Notable things (viewing this through the lens of my wife who told me about this case):
flimsy hard evidence against the mother
mother allegedly tried to kill herself 3 different ways after snapping and allegedly killing her children while the husband was out of the house
a lot of the evidence seemed to be hearsay from the husband
children’s bodies were cremated by the father
father is suspected of having a mistress because he moved on after this relatively quickly.
jury trial ended in a hung jury, because 1 juror tried to reverse “12 Angry Men” it to get all other jurors to switch to a Guilty verdict.
Clancy admitted to the murders initially
My unsolicited opinion is that she very likely did commit the crimes, but the State has insufficient evidence to convict due to the police’s negligence during their investigation.
also this guy is spreading lies. the evidence is clear she did it, and she confessed. there was no despute as to her guilt in murdering her children.
the issue is whether she can be held criminally liable for first degree murder. if the charges had been manslaughter or something else, it would have been a slam dunk conviction. but due to her mental state at the time, it's questionable if she was capable/committed first degree, or premeditated, murder.
but people don't want to talk about the legal issues in the case... they just want to push the emotional bullshit that she was absolutely innocent, or absolutely guilty, and there can't be anything in-between. and lots and lots of people like the db0 user commenting here are spreading lies about the case to push their political agenda.
to the point that many of the TikTok moms who support her innocence are working entirely outside of the factual evidence of the case. which is also more evidence of how social media itself is causing psychosis in many folks, as it's well-documented already how social media amplifies delusional and paranoid thinking.
I was pretty explicit, I think she did it and the state lacks evidence to convict beyond the shadow of doubt.
Sorry if the db0 in my username added some political leaning to my above post. I was trying to be pretty by the numbers as best as I knew.
I didn’t even mention the fact that there’s been a giant push for people to claim that the father committed the murders. It’s pretty far out there for claims.
I know another comment some issues with the way her specific state handles insanity pleas. Of that, I am not too in the know about. So I didn’t mention it.
What the state lacks evidence to prove beyond a reasonable doubt is that she was sufficiently sane to be held criminally liable at the time of the murders in the state of Massachusetts. That last bit is important because it's the only state where the prosecution has to prove sanity rather than the defense having to prove insanity.
Personally I suspect she's not guilty by reason of insanity, but I'm not certain I'd feel that way beyond a reasonable doubt were I on the trial. And it seems a large portion of people are of the opinion neither side managed to clear the bar of reasonable doubt
How is the husband gtfoing indicative of a mistress or relevant to the question of whether the wife was sane at the time of the murders?
Having people close enough to take you in when your nutso spouse commits triple homicide is not a red flag or a cause to cast doubt on where the guilt lies
I don't have a mistress but if my wife killed 3 family members, I'm sure I could find someone to give me a place to crash to get away
Is absolutely untrue and makes it sound like you are trying to cast doubt on the case in weird ways based on all your subsequent points.
This isn’t “Making of a Murder” , no matter how many podcasts you heard. Extremely clear cut case from an evidentiary perspective, so much so neither side argued the evidence AT ALL
Honestly, as much as this surprises me, but from those 4 options, my kids would probably be safest with hitler. I assume the first woman is the one that just killed her 3 kids, so that's a fundamental NOPE, diddy, yeah nah, that guy is just weird. So it boils down to the islamic terrorist and the cocaine-addicted, so I'd just give it hitler and hope he has a good day without thaaaaat much cocaine.
I'm German, we are taught VERY extensively about hitler's wrongdoings in school, but him being a pedophile is something I have never heard before. And from some quick online searches, that seems to be a very unsubstantiated claim.
The Behind the Bastards claims were ~17 and legal in state and country, not a controversial act at the time and only borderline controversial now - and still legal
ngl, since im a white, cis, heterosexual, non-jewish, german: probably hitler. i dont think he was the kinda guy that would kill children just because he could. if these children happened to have like, a jewish mother, things would definitely look different
Idk, the Goebbels has to kill his kids in the bunker is a problem either way. They lived in an era where suicide (attempts) were something noble. I think eva tried it a couple of times too. After all not very child friendly environment.
Except he put American and European atheists at the bottom of his hierarchy, so your kids would be far safer with Hitler if they fit any of those denominations
I can see it, Hitler is my second choice too. He wouldn't hurt my kid, just stuff him full of Werther's original and have him perform physical labor which he frankly could do with.
Did Hitler actually do any killing people himself, or did he just have other people do it for him? If it's the latter then I pick him, because I think he's too lazy to actually do anything.
Bottom right is P Diddy aka Puff Daddy aka Sean Combs. Known for, among other things: helping more talented musicians than himself make good music, dating J-Lo, playing in a Muppets movie, rape parties, domestic violence, guest appearance on Notorious B.I.G's track Mo Money Mo Problems, potentially ordering the hit on 2pac's life, being a general piece of shit with tons of connections and money. He was like the Hip-Hop world's Epstein, though I don't remember if the "performers" at the Diddy Parties were children or adult women, they were definitely getting raped though.
Like those two Americans are so bad that between these 4 people... I'd be most likely to trust bin Laden. In this very hypothetical scenario, because this is a shitpost and in reality if I can't find a sitter and I get to choose between these 4, well guess what, I'm just cancelling my plans and staying home. Might be a tie between bin Laden and Hitler actually, we're not Jewish, Roma or any other minority he tried exterminating.
I believe you don’t understand how Hitler’s mind worked. He was clearly pro-life, just not pro-every-life. Similar to what happens on a daily basis in a lot of countries.
Ethnic cleansing was done because of ethnicity, not because of age.
Also about the concentration camps, I don’t know enough about this part. Was it a clear order and idea of Hitler? Or was the idea to get rid of jews, but the infrastructure was not ready for this amount of people, and thus someone like Goebbels brought the idea of just getting rid of them locally?
I remember reading somewhere that at the beginning, they tried to deport the people, but soon realized they were not able to do that in a timely manner.
PS: I had to puke a little describing Hitler as pro-life under the circumstances, unfortunately it is technocally right. He loved people, also children. Just hated jews.
I'm not a historian so I can't really debate this. Of course Hitler was selectively pro-life, the whole nazi shit is exactly that (and why many back then didn't want to see what happened initially - after all the Nazis gave white people "Kraft durch Freude" and holidays for their first time). Same crap happens in the USA right now, and of course many other countries. Though fortunately for democratic US-citizens still fighting the Trump regime is far less competent than the OG Nazis.
"kid-friendly" is a term encompassing all kids though. If you're unfriendly to some kids you're not kid-friendly. This applies to nazis, racists, religious assholes, ableists etc. all alike.
The Wannsee Conference didn't contain Hitler, but did include many higher ups making the explicit plans for the Shoah. It wasn't Hitler's first plan, deportation was, but any reasonable understanding of his long term plans would require eventual extermination. He was invading places he had sent Jewish people to.
Also non-Jewish victims didn't get the attempted deportation. Disabled Germans, criminals, communists, queer people, etc faced brutal prison labor and eventually extermination.
Ultimately, Hitler didn't give orders in a way where you can say "he ordered this to happen". He made his desires clear, and let the party vie for his favor. Had they not orchestrated the Shoah, party members would have been replaced with those who would
Your “Yes” made me suspicious. As expected, it is not a clear yes. Historians are not sure what exactly happened. What they know is, that there were many people part of this whole genocide. Heinrich Himmler was responsible for building Dachau, the first concentration camp. Many others were involved afterwards.
Hitler most likely knew about all of this and let it happen. But it is not known if there was ever a clear order from Hitler, or if it was suggested by someone else.
Just have a talk after with the kids like "did he bring up America? Because the US isn't great but it's not as bad as he makes it sound, but he has personal reasons for hating the US, but also don't take what he said seriously"
I agree with him on the US though lol. Well it depends on what era bin Laden we are talking about since he was a CIA asset during the 80s and I think early nineties? Not sure on the latter part.
Bin Laden in hefty discussion planning the attack on 9/11
O: "We get on the planes and just do the attack, leave the passengers alone?!! No! We scare the shit out of them!!! They need to feel our wrath and know why it burns so intense!"
One of his aides drops in the room
A: "Mr Osama sir? Some random people from the internet in the future want you to look after their kids."
O: "What? What is this?"
A: "And one guy says he wants to bedate Hitler, ...I have no idea what this is."
People murder their children every 5 days in America. That means that 265 people have wiped out their families since Casey killed her kids. In almost all cases, the father is the perpetrator. Do you know the names, or faces of any of those hundreds of men?
Casey killed her kids because she was nuts. Not even the prosecution disputes this.
People hate her because misogyny and ableism. If she was a man and did it for insurance money, this would barely make the local news.
Not speaking for them, as I don't know exactly what they meant. But I suspect they meant misogyny in the sense that the ratio of female to male coverage of similar scenarios playing out would lead you to assume there would be an equal amount of male father killing his children coverage, but we don't see that reflected in reality.
I suspect that's the media's fault more than anything else.
The case is heavily publicized because 1) many woman relate to a lack of postpartum support in this country and 2) the not guilty by reason of insanity plea which hinges on a 18 minute psychotic break resulting in three murders and is inconsistent with current medical understanding of postpartum psychosis.
The question is whether they'll be able to offset the blame onto the medical establishment and answer seems to be yes, as it seems several of the medical professionals involved in her case may be successfully sued for malpractice.
Within the medical community the case has already changed the practice of many clinicians relating to post partum psychiatric care unfortunately being less likely to be accepted by a practice (and referred to often scarcely available specialized centers) or the threshold to institutionalize patients against their will is now lower given the concern that they may be a danger to their community and that any criminal act theyay engage in could be later framed on their treatment team.
It's become a huge story because of the support and empathy that she's getting, while the other cases of infanticide don't receive attention or support (and rightfully so).
Still doesn't make the choice for babysitter any easier
it's a huge case because it's a proxy for the gender war and extremists on both sides have trumpted it as loud as they possibly can. like the bozos here pushing false claims about the evidence.
most normal folks think she's nuts and should be jailed like anyone else who kills her kids.
the insane people think she should be set free and isn't guilty, even though she confessed and all the evidence is clear she did the crime. and many of them claim it was the dad that did it because only men can be evil, and if she did do it, he forced her to do it with psychic powers.
the subtle of court case, whether she is criminally liable for her actions, is completely lost the vast majority of folks, especially the insane people.
lots of people are saying she should be set free. that's why the case is so big on social media. it's been drivin by insane weirdo women who think the husband did it and they have a massive massive following on tiktok.
Yes, they are saying it. Stick your head in the sand all you want. I've seen dozens and dozens of tiktoks saying she should be set free. they are all over. with 1000s and 10,000s of likes and shares.
She was able to control and strangle her three children to death. I feel bad because there’s a documented path of attempting to seek mental heath.
Let’s be real if this wasn’t a white woman it would likely be a max sentence verdict. This was a horrific crime, the type of shit that gets minors charged as adults.
Kind of like how when a restaurant reopens after an embarrassing health code violation, and it’s now the cleanest restaurant in town, Lindsay Clancy for me.
I mean, collaterally maybe but he never targeted kids. Only evil pedo imperialists, which frankly puts him at the top of the list as a man of honor and as a good role model for my children.
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Osama, easy. He's a family man and would show absolute respect and kindness towards the child as is the custom of his religion and his culture.
He has nothing against children and has a big household with other kids mine can play with.
My child will also be damn safe there and get great food.
Such an easy contest.
But would they be safe from US bombs?
I mean they were for like 40 years and in the end they got snitched out and took out by a seal team so, probably.
US bombs are more calibrated to hit weddings.
Osama for sure.
Bin laden and its not close
Bin Laden loved his kids. Part of the reason he moved to that compound in Pakistan was because he wanted his kids to have a semblance of a normal life. He's discuss politics with is Eldest daughters. When he was captured he was found asleep with his youngest son.
Western educated man who is pissed off at the US for abandoning his political ascension? Slightly better than a meth addicted turboracist, a crazy murderer, and a child molester. I doubt bin Laden is going to be able to do much opinion changing in a single evening and I doubt that he'd outright kill or molest them.
Bin Laden fathered 24 children, the first of which was with his first cousin when she was 16 and he was 17. They went on to have ten more children. The other 13 were spread amongst five other wives. They also found several beheading videos on his computer. He also believed muslims should kill any US civilians they find until the US withdraws support for Israel.
I think definitely killing and maybe molestation would be on the table.
He was a wealthy politician first, revolutionary like fifth. Shit, you're right, molestation is on the table.
Thankfully I'm not an American, so think my theoretical family would be more likely okay with him than the others.
Not even remotely close. I saw him first and before seeing the rest of the faces I already knew that this was an usian thing so he was going to be "a major evil".
Fact is, aside religion, we'd have a lot in common, including hating the US so, if any, it would give for an interesting evening for my kids and a more interesting post-evening chat with him.
The other 3, in my eyes, are way, waaaaaaaaaaaaaay worse.
The man had multiple wives and multiple kids. All of which where taken care of financially- so ya seconded
Bin Laden could be trusted because from what I know he never purposely wanted kids targeted. One murdered several children, one murdered too many to count in concentration camps as well as ordering soldiers to do it because he didn't see them as human. The last one was a sex pest and I wouldn't trust kids with.
Bin laden, of course! I heard he is the bomb.
Bin Laden would fuck then but at least he’d marry them first.
You must not know very much about Bin Laden. Give his Wikipedia articles a quick skim. Your kids wouldn't survive the night. If they survive an hour, it's because they decided to kill them slowly.
I just read every section that sounded relevant and he sounds like a great guy besides the religious fundamentalism. Wrote poetry, took his kids on picnics, encouraged the american public to work with Obama on stopping climate change...
Yeah… but he supported Arsenal when he was in England, went to their old stadium for games - some people will never be able to forgive that.
TIL that Hitler isn't the "Worst" option for everything lol
Depends on how white you are I guess.
Hitler liked Children and Dogs, so "Say Hello to Mr. Adolf, kids!"
I think im going bin laden
Tbh the biggest danger that would come from having bin Laden babysit your kids is the possibility of them being killed in a drone strike.
He went untouched for almost four decades I think they'd all be fine...
Osama bin Laden cuz I work with the CIA too.
I know for a fact Bin Laden had games and the movie Cars on his computer. Safest bet.
Ugh he's an arsenal fan.
Not in my house!
Did you see that ludicrous display last night‽
What was Wenger thinking, sending Walcott on that early?
The trouble with arsenal is they just like to walk it in.
No lol I just know they have been getting a bunch of hate recently. Were they bad?
Pretty sure I remember seeing he had a bunch of Naruto fansubs on his computer, too. He could even watch your weird kid and keep them entertained for the night.
I don't know who top left is, but I reckon Bin Laden's the safe bet here
As a childless adult that's a fucking crazy thing to say for so many reasons.
I can appreciate a good dark joke, but generally it needs a humourous component beyond "it's funny because it's dark", otherwise it's just lame.
Top left: Lindsay Clancy - Apparently strangled her 3 kids, there is an ongoing process in the US right now
Top right: Osama Bin Laden - Former boss of the Taliban in Afghanistan and responsible for 9/11
Bottom left: Adolf Hitler - Leader of the German NSDAP and responsible for the Holocaust and WW2
Bottom right: Sean Combs aka P. Diddy - US musician, multiple cases of sexual violence and rape, and proliferation of prostitution
There is no question that she strangled them. The court is trying to determine whether she was sufficiently sane at the time to be held culpable.
Not according to one of the jurors:
https://www.cbsnews.com/boston/news/lindsay-clancy-juror-interview/
Couple that with the the sketchy findings about the husband's actions and whereabouts, there is indeed question and reasonable doubt.
Thanks ChatGPT!
This is a pretty bold take from you. I don't need GenAI to know who Hitler and Bin Laden are, but I googled the woman and P. Diddy as I am not from the US. I cannot tell if the news sites I googled are LLM generated though. I don't want to be mean but maybe you should work on your trust issues.
My three kids are in their 20's. Assuming there are no weapons involved, I'd say they're safe with any of them.
Bin Laden, Hitler, and Combs would each have a rough night. Lindsay would probably be ok. If necessary, they could restrain her without injuring her.
Best send them to Bin Laden then because at least they wouldn't be able to sit up all night raiding the bar.
Bin Laden unless you have twins.
Got me good. Thanks!
Bin laden i guess, the other option is a child murderer, a child molester or the corpose of THE nazist soo
Bin Laden is also a corpse though.
Oh right, i almoat forgot about it, then i'd stay home instead
Osama bin Laden loved his kids. He was hard on them, for sure, he was basically what you imagine when you think of a deep south US prepper survivalist - a bit eccentric and paranoid, but intelligent - he would be taking his kids on long hikes, teaching them how to sleep in the desert with only sand as a blanket, but he did it out of a deep desire to protect them and give them skills to survive.
sorry, you lost me there
If they're brown Muslim children
I'd pass the Nurnberg check, so Hitler would a solid first-round pick. It's a toss about who would gendercode my kids more between him and Bin Laden. Lindsay What's-Her-Name and P. Diddy are automatic no's.
Just leave them home alone.
Alternatively, you reckon Osama could teach them basic engineering skills? If they are making phone-activated landmines surely they can put up some fun RF experiments.
Osama was also a regular engineer. That was his day job
He's also great at hide-and-seek.
It'd just be monkey bars all day. Monkey bars on loop, like on CNN in 2003. So much monkey bars your kids would be swole like great apes when you got back.
Tbh, I don't know who the lady is
I think that's the lady currently on trial for murdering her three kids.
Now I know, and
trial is over. she will likely have another trial. we won't know until end of Sept when the next hearing for her case is set.
it's possible a plea deal could be offered, but unlikely.
'we have had the trial, yes. but what about the second one?'
I believe they've already said they aren't retrying her case
Woman who recently had a mistrial go viral for being the latest influencer courtroom case. Similar to Depp v Heard. The woman’s name is Lindsay Clancy, I believe.
Notable things (viewing this through the lens of my wife who told me about this case):
My unsolicited opinion is that she very likely did commit the crimes, but the State has insufficient evidence to convict due to the police’s negligence during their investigation.
Lindsay Clancy
She admitted to the murders, but is pleading insanity.
also this guy is spreading lies. the evidence is clear she did it, and she confessed. there was no despute as to her guilt in murdering her children.
the issue is whether she can be held criminally liable for first degree murder. if the charges had been manslaughter or something else, it would have been a slam dunk conviction. but due to her mental state at the time, it's questionable if she was capable/committed first degree, or premeditated, murder.
but people don't want to talk about the legal issues in the case... they just want to push the emotional bullshit that she was absolutely innocent, or absolutely guilty, and there can't be anything in-between. and lots and lots of people like the db0 user commenting here are spreading lies about the case to push their political agenda.
to the point that many of the TikTok moms who support her innocence are working entirely outside of the factual evidence of the case. which is also more evidence of how social media itself is causing psychosis in many folks, as it's well-documented already how social media amplifies delusional and paranoid thinking.
I was pretty explicit, I think she did it and the state lacks evidence to convict beyond the shadow of doubt.
Sorry if the db0 in my username added some political leaning to my above post. I was trying to be pretty by the numbers as best as I knew.
I didn’t even mention the fact that there’s been a giant push for people to claim that the father committed the murders. It’s pretty far out there for claims.
I know another comment some issues with the way her specific state handles insanity pleas. Of that, I am not too in the know about. So I didn’t mention it.
What the state lacks evidence to prove beyond a reasonable doubt is that she was sufficiently sane to be held criminally liable at the time of the murders in the state of Massachusetts. That last bit is important because it's the only state where the prosecution has to prove sanity rather than the defense having to prove insanity.
Personally I suspect she's not guilty by reason of insanity, but I'm not certain I'd feel that way beyond a reasonable doubt were I on the trial. And it seems a large portion of people are of the opinion neither side managed to clear the bar of reasonable doubt
I can switch to my Lemmy.World account if you prefer 😅
Fixed. Thanks! Problem with going off the cuff is I am terrible with names.
Get your wife out of her social media bubble.
Did I say something untrue? Nobody has corrected any bulleted things I stated. Just said I was spreading misinformation and never clarified.
How is the husband gtfoing indicative of a mistress or relevant to the question of whether the wife was sane at the time of the murders?
Having people close enough to take you in when your nutso spouse commits triple homicide is not a red flag or a cause to cast doubt on where the guilt lies
I don't have a mistress but if my wife killed 3 family members, I'm sure I could find someone to give me a place to crash to get away
(your first bullet)
Is absolutely untrue and makes it sound like you are trying to cast doubt on the case in weird ways based on all your subsequent points.
This isn’t “Making of a Murder” , no matter how many podcasts you heard. Extremely clear cut case from an evidentiary perspective, so much so neither side argued the evidence AT ALL
The husband embezzled donations after skimping on the child's gravestones.
He fucking set the whole thing up and is getting a free pass because this is what Americia stands for these days.
Honestly, as much as this surprises me, but from those 4 options, my kids would probably be safest with hitler. I assume the first woman is the one that just killed her 3 kids, so that's a fundamental NOPE, diddy, yeah nah, that guy is just weird. So it boils down to the islamic terrorist and the cocaine-addicted, so I'd just give it hitler and hope he has a good day without thaaaaat much cocaine.
Hitler was a pedophile and complete loser
Osama was a regular family man with somewhat extreme political beliefs who was well educated and relatively normal
I’d pick Osama
thanks, osama
I'm German, we are taught VERY extensively about hitler's wrongdoings in school, but him being a pedophile is something I have never heard before. And from some quick online searches, that seems to be a very unsubstantiated claim.
Bro
Hitler was a lot of things, but a pedophile? Gonna need a source on that one
Behind the bastards, he “dated” many “young women” who were like 12 - 16 in his 30s, the “love letters” and other documentation exists
The Behind the Bastards claims were ~17 and legal in state and country, not a controversial act at the time and only borderline controversial now - and still legal
I thought Hitler was gay?
No, he was intersex though
yeah given these 4....
Laden, as long as there's no american tower around, the kids should be okay.
ngl, since im a white, cis, heterosexual, non-jewish, german: probably hitler. i dont think he was the kinda guy that would kill children just because he could. if these children happened to have like, a jewish mother, things would definitely look different
I'm italian so I guess it depends on when on the timeline they plucked him
We’re not actually reposting incel memes on Lemmy, are we?
Looks like we are.
sigh
No one's arguing for her to be found innocent, Not Guilty By Reason Of Insanity doesn't mean you go home
Cool but I wouldn't really want her watching my kids, would you? Lol
lots of people on the internet are arguing she is innocent, some here in this thread are implying it.
Currently 173 comments, I read every single one and nobody is even close to implying she is innocent.
It's scary that not all of the choices are the same level of risk.
Well I'm not jewish...so...
Are you 'arian'? Cause if not, I've got bad news for you
Bin laden it is then, at least he can teach my kid life skills like flying and chemistry
Yeah, I think he's the only choice for a kid tbh. Even he had standards and his beef was with the us gov not with kids
He did train a lot of kids to be suicide bombers, though...
I mean I kinda figured dude wouldn't show up being that he's dead and all....
"Be good kids, Laden be watching you for me"
Hitler is also dead...
Another safe choice then
Idk, the Goebbels has to kill his kids in the bunker is a problem either way. They lived in an era where suicide (attempts) were something noble. I think eva tried it a couple of times too. After all not very child friendly environment.
That's an easy choice. Bin Laden wasn't even that bad of a guy.
Except he put American and European atheists at the bottom of his hierarchy, so your kids would be far safer with Hitler if they fit any of those denominations
But if they baby isn't "pure" it wouldn't be much safer with Hitler
If by "isn't pure" you mean an immediate parent that was Jew, African or Roma gypsy. Pretty much everyone else was "okay". Especially inter-Europeans
hitler first, second osama
I can see it, Hitler is my second choice too. He wouldn't hurt my kid, just stuff him full of Werther's original and have him perform physical labor which he frankly could do with.
But Osama is the clear choice here.
I'll check back in a few hours, I have a feeling this'll be a dumpster fire.
Surprisingly it's not that bad. Proud of the lemmings
It’s just the “wimmin bad” incel shit from /r/SipsTea being reposted on Lemmy after being posted there every day for the last week.
If they have blonde hair and blue eyes, uncle Adolf is the safest bet.
Did Hitler actually do any killing people himself, or did he just have other people do it for him? If it's the latter then I pick him, because I think he's too lazy to actually do anything.
Well he was a runner in WW1 so possibly did some killing there. But no I don't think he personally did any after that.
He's a drug addict!
But will my kids live through the experience? That's what I'm most concerned about.
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Which Americans are the top left/bottom right?
Top left is the perpertrator of (trigger warning, 3 kids killed, I'm leaving the link as it is instead of adding text to it so you know what it is without having to click on it) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_the_Clancy_children
Bottom right is P Diddy aka Puff Daddy aka Sean Combs. Known for, among other things: helping more talented musicians than himself make good music, dating J-Lo, playing in a Muppets movie, rape parties, domestic violence, guest appearance on Notorious B.I.G's track Mo Money Mo Problems, potentially ordering the hit on 2pac's life, being a general piece of shit with tons of connections and money. He was like the Hip-Hop world's Epstein, though I don't remember if the "performers" at the Diddy Parties were children or adult women, they were definitely getting raped though.
Like those two Americans are so bad that between these 4 people... I'd be most likely to trust bin Laden. In this very hypothetical scenario, because this is a shitpost and in reality if I can't find a sitter and I get to choose between these 4, well guess what, I'm just cancelling my plans and staying home. Might be a tie between bin Laden and Hitler actually, we're not Jewish, Roma or any other minority he tried exterminating.
I didn't recognize Diddy without his shades
That's the actress who played Elaine on Seinfeld, and Chris Rock, respectively
Hmm. I think Adolf was not bad to children (or maybe I am missing some information) and debating him would be fun for me, too.
Arabs are usually too patriotic and uninterested in children. Diddy is too diddly. And no idea who top left is.
I'd argue you're missing an approximate 1.5 million informations.
You might even get to shower afterwards! 🚿
I believe you don’t understand how Hitler’s mind worked. He was clearly pro-life, just not pro-every-life. Similar to what happens on a daily basis in a lot of countries. Ethnic cleansing was done because of ethnicity, not because of age.
Also about the concentration camps, I don’t know enough about this part. Was it a clear order and idea of Hitler? Or was the idea to get rid of jews, but the infrastructure was not ready for this amount of people, and thus someone like Goebbels brought the idea of just getting rid of them locally? I remember reading somewhere that at the beginning, they tried to deport the people, but soon realized they were not able to do that in a timely manner.
PS: I had to puke a little describing Hitler as pro-life under the circumstances, unfortunately it is technocally right. He loved people, also children. Just hated jews.
You took my reply way too seriously.
I'm not a historian so I can't really debate this. Of course Hitler was selectively pro-life, the whole nazi shit is exactly that (and why many back then didn't want to see what happened initially - after all the Nazis gave white people "Kraft durch Freude" and holidays for their first time). Same crap happens in the USA right now, and of course many other countries. Though fortunately for democratic US-citizens still fighting the Trump regime is far less competent than the OG Nazis.
"kid-friendly" is a term encompassing all kids though. If you're unfriendly to some kids you're not kid-friendly. This applies to nazis, racists, religious assholes, ableists etc. all alike.
I see, that was some neatly placed irony :)
The Wannsee Conference didn't contain Hitler, but did include many higher ups making the explicit plans for the Shoah. It wasn't Hitler's first plan, deportation was, but any reasonable understanding of his long term plans would require eventual extermination. He was invading places he had sent Jewish people to.
Also non-Jewish victims didn't get the attempted deportation. Disabled Germans, criminals, communists, queer people, etc faced brutal prison labor and eventually extermination.
Ultimately, Hitler didn't give orders in a way where you can say "he ordered this to happen". He made his desires clear, and let the party vie for his favor. Had they not orchestrated the Shoah, party members would have been replaced with those who would
Thank you so much for this insightful history lesson!
Yes.
Your “Yes” made me suspicious. As expected, it is not a clear yes. Historians are not sure what exactly happened. What they know is, that there were many people part of this whole genocide. Heinrich Himmler was responsible for building Dachau, the first concentration camp. Many others were involved afterwards.
Hitler most likely knew about all of this and let it happen. But it is not known if there was ever a clear order from Hitler, or if it was suggested by someone else.
He didn't hate children, he hated Jews, and gypsies, and Polish people, and political opponents, and the mentally or physically dysfunctional.
Kids weren't targets in and of themselves.
The dead ones won't cause any harm.
I ain't going out tonight.
Bin Laden 100% no question
Just have a talk after with the kids like "did he bring up America? Because the US isn't great but it's not as bad as he makes it sound, but he has personal reasons for hating the US, but also don't take what he said seriously"
That's probably all you need to do with that guy.
Nah I don't mind there.
Now "did he bring up the LGBTQ community" on the other hand...
I agree with him on the US though lol. Well it depends on what era bin Laden we are talking about since he was a CIA asset during the 80s and I think early nineties? Not sure on the latter part.
The one with a whole "youth" named after them is surely the best with kids
Weirdest political compass meme I've ever seen.
Was a while since I laughed, or even exhaled manually, reading Lemmy.
All 4. They fight, kids run to neighbors.
Dr Jinx
Uncle Adi for sure. Osama would be secod pick.
Bin Laden in hefty discussion planning the attack on 9/11
O: "We get on the planes and just do the attack, leave the passengers alone?!! No! We scare the shit out of them!!! They need to feel our wrath and know why it burns so intense!"
One of his aides drops in the room
A: "Mr Osama sir? Some random people from the internet in the future want you to look after their kids."
O: "What? What is this?"
A: "And one guy says he wants to bedate Hitler, ...I have no idea what this is."
People murder their children every 5 days in America. That means that 265 people have wiped out their families since Casey killed her kids. In almost all cases, the father is the perpetrator. Do you know the names, or faces of any of those hundreds of men?
Casey killed her kids because she was nuts. Not even the prosecution disputes this.
People hate her because misogyny and ableism. If she was a man and did it for insurance money, this would barely make the local news.
Not speaking for them, as I don't know exactly what they meant. But I suspect they meant misogyny in the sense that the ratio of female to male coverage of similar scenarios playing out would lead you to assume there would be an equal amount of male father killing his children coverage, but we don't see that reflected in reality.
I suspect that's the media's fault more than anything else.
The case is heavily publicized because 1) many woman relate to a lack of postpartum support in this country and 2) the not guilty by reason of insanity plea which hinges on a 18 minute psychotic break resulting in three murders and is inconsistent with current medical understanding of postpartum psychosis.
The question is whether they'll be able to offset the blame onto the medical establishment and answer seems to be yes, as it seems several of the medical professionals involved in her case may be successfully sued for malpractice.
Within the medical community the case has already changed the practice of many clinicians relating to post partum psychiatric care unfortunately being less likely to be accepted by a practice (and referred to often scarcely available specialized centers) or the threshold to institutionalize patients against their will is now lower given the concern that they may be a danger to their community and that any criminal act theyay engage in could be later framed on their treatment team.
I kind of disagree
It's become a huge story because of the support and empathy that she's getting, while the other cases of infanticide don't receive attention or support (and rightfully so).
Still doesn't make the choice for babysitter any easier
it's a huge case because it's a proxy for the gender war and extremists on both sides have trumpted it as loud as they possibly can. like the bozos here pushing false claims about the evidence.
most normal folks think she's nuts and should be jailed like anyone else who kills her kids.
the insane people think she should be set free and isn't guilty, even though she confessed and all the evidence is clear she did the crime. and many of them claim it was the dad that did it because only men can be evil, and if she did do it, he forced her to do it with psychic powers.
the subtle of court case, whether she is criminally liable for her actions, is completely lost the vast majority of folks, especially the insane people.
No one is saying she should be set free, they're saying she should be found not guilty by reason of insanity.
That gets you locked up in a mental instiution
lots of people are saying she should be set free. that's why the case is so big on social media. it's been drivin by insane weirdo women who think the husband did it and they have a massive massive following on tiktok.
No one is saying she should be set free. That is a straw man.
Yes, they are saying it. Stick your head in the sand all you want. I've seen dozens and dozens of tiktoks saying she should be set free. they are all over. with 1000s and 10,000s of likes and shares.
(Insert gender war here)
She was able to control and strangle her three children to death. I feel bad because there’s a documented path of attempting to seek mental heath.
Let’s be real if this wasn’t a white woman it would likely be a max sentence verdict. This was a horrific crime, the type of shit that gets minors charged as adults.
I wouldn't leave children with those guys either.
As the babysitter needs to be instructed first how things are suppose to go and thus has to meet me... Hitler, so I can kill him again.
In the top ten rules for time travelers is don't kill Hitler. So many reasons why, but it's too obvious a target is one.
It turns out that this timeline is the best it gets. So just realize how bad others must be.
This timeline isn't the best, it the most sustainable with the least effort.
Traveling back in time with the kids seems like a lot of effort, so what do the rules say about killing a time traveling Hitler?
Easy choice, Diddy is the only one I can realistically sue afterwards. If I'm throwing my kid to the wolves, I might but as well get paid for it.
I would choose any of these guys over you
Nazi vs guy making a joke, I'll take the Nazi please
(I am also a guy making a joke)
We have different definitons of "easy" choice.
I do not know the two others, but of course neither Hittler nor Ben Laden. Who are the two others?
Hwo is on top left and bottom right?
I'll choose all 4
Kind of like how when a restaurant reopens after an embarrassing health code violation, and it’s now the cleanest restaurant in town, Lindsay Clancy for me.
I mean, what are the chances she’d do that twice?
as long as she can her medication ...
Hitler or Bin Laden. They're both dead, so what can they do? Also, I don't have kids.
I think you forgot one of the core aspects of babysitting ...
I....fuck, I guess....Diddy, if he doesn't have other plans. He's the only one that hasn't killed kids.
When did Osama kill kids?
I mean, collaterally maybe but he never targeted kids. Only evil pedo imperialists, which frankly puts him at the top of the list as a man of honor and as a good role model for my children.
Depraved indifference at best, and explicitly pro-murdering people. Also no sign he gave a shit about pedos.
So basically the US government.
But more ideological. But yeah, throw Trump or Hegseth in the mix and I'm still picking Diddy.
the crazy woman jurors is trying to make it out likes its the worst thing that happened by no acquitting him, and also railing on the male juror.
That wasn't the question.
Who's the bottom right?
P diddy I think? Or r Kelly
Diddy