I’m not dying for rich people that got power and decided to break literally every stabilizing thing in geopolitics so that they could make more money and then start a war to cover it up.
I might die because of them, but there’s no way I’m dying for them. If they draft, I’m running. call me whatever you want.
In totalitarian regimes—communism, fascism, religious fundamentalism—popular support is a given. You can start wars, you can prolong them, you can put anyone in uniform for any length of time without ever having to worry about the slightest political backlash. In a democracy, the polar opposite is true. Public support must be husbanded as a finite national resource. It must be spent wisely, sparingly, and with the greatest return on your investment. America is especially sensitive to war weariness, and nothing brings on a backlash like the perception of defeat. I say “perception” because America is a very all-or-nothing society. We like the big win, the touchdown, the knockout in the first round. We like to know, and for everyone else to know, that our victory wasn’t only uncontested, it was positively devastating.
-Max Brooks, World War Z: An Oral History of the Zombie War
Point of order, democracy is a mechanism for selecting leadership, not an ideology of governance.
Democracies routinely produce Communist, Fascist, and Religious Fundamentalist leaders.
Like, I know it's a quote and all. But it's just a Baby's First PolySci view of how civilizations organize themselves. Not an ounce of Lockean Theory to be found.
That's before you get into the reality of Republican governance and practical enfranchisement. You can't go rolling up on Thomas Jefferson's slaves and announcing "Idiots, it's a democracy, why did you vote for this?"
No, it's not. Or well, it's more than that -- especially ideologically. Quod omnes tangit, ab omnibus approbari debet -- "what concerns everyone must be approved by everyone".
Klinger's problem was slow reaction. Had he acted before they initially saw him, maybe. My dad was drafted in Vietnam and always told me to go right up and deep kiss the guy taking names. Although I don't think that would work as well now.
It would work, but only to keep you from getting drafted. You'd probably be in some sort of military brig for a good long while.
Much more effective* is to shoot the bastards. We all know how much americans talk about doing it...
*I'm not going to lie here, it's not more effective for you, just for everyone else after a few more follow your example. You'd be consigning yourself to death.
Don't worry, it's only a matter of time before they toss you in jail for attempting to draft dodge and forcibly detransition you, thus making you eligible.
So let me ask, do you think it would be proper to report this as a terrorist site. Choosing to murder a random person who has no choice to the military?
The number of "frags" near "U.S. commanders" is near 0. People like Pete Hegseth are stupid, but even they aren't stupid enough to choose to go into an active warzone
When civil unrest reaches critical mass the elites stop thinking about the military as a tool to force other countries to do what they want and start thinking about it as a tool to force the rabble to stay in line. This is the primary purpose of most militaries in the world.
The failure of the war in Iran brings us closer to that point.
Remember when everyone said Trump couldn't win the election*? And since when has not having the money for war stopped the US from going to war? They just borrow against their kids.
Although I will point out that Trump and Elon bragged about rigging the election, that's besides the point.
If you think "it can't happen here", with regards to a draft, you're an idiot who has their head in the sand. Too many "it can't happen here" things have been happening.
It would bankrupt the country to add people we don't need... It would be like a sports team paying to have 10x the players and not be able to put any of them on the field.
Creating a draft would drive voters to increase the pay and benefits of soldiers as well.
So yes it could happen. But it is a near 0% chance of happening.
What the fuck are you talking about. This post was about drafting people to the military, and someone saying please draft me so I can throw a grenade at others who were drafted. 0 people in this have been to Iran
Do you want to admit that you area terrorist now? Because killing innocens without reason... Thats terrorist activity. trump may order some fucked up shit. That doesn't mean the poor have the ability to help there kids while jumping ship. 99% of the military have never killed anyone
They aren't volunteers if they are drafted as discussed. See a therapist, your calling people a dumbass for not wanting to murder people who are imagined to be conscripted
Of course never would i EVER frag a commandant of the New Reich in his own tent with his own ordinance, trust me bro! Why would I, a humble conscript, ever lash out at the fascist regime that's rounding up so many of my loved ones for summary extermination? Golly that would be awfully mean of me, just too cruel of me by far, to return even the tiniest, barest fraction of the gut wrenching agonizing tragedy they inflicted on us all BACK to them. Goodness forbid.
Man, I did some light manual labor yesterday and I can barely stand today. I can't go to fucking war without severely endangering every friendly around me.
The 442nd Infantry Regiment is the most decorate unit in U.S. military history. This is because they were all Americans of Japanese decent during WWII and were sent on suicide missions.
A draft at this point would result in massive civil unrest. I'm pretty sure even casual MAGA people would lose their shit. The Iran war is already massively unpopular.
Turns out that while fascism fetishizes the ingroup in it doesn't improve life for them except a small portion of unexceptional members whom it elevates to positions they really shouldn't be in
Their kids have probably disowned them and cut contract, so they might be happy they are off to war to become "war fighters" and get testosterone shots
This is not a draft. Which is like 18-26ish typically.
BUT, that doesn’t mean the draft is fixed at those ages. BUT, I doubt they would ever need to draft up to 42 based on the US population and the willingness of psychos to want to a) kill people or b) get paid to kill people via promises of a better life later as a veteran (Baby killer)
Not sure where that came from, but tag me however you want. Might want to reread what I wrote that was agreeing with you and adding more ways people get funneled into service? Nothing I said was a promotion for joining anything. Also appreciate the subtle violence in the wish for me... wow.
I doubt they would ever need to draft up to 42 based on the US population and the willingness of psychos to want to a) kill people or b) get paid to kill people via promises of a better life later as a veteran (Baby killer)
They need a draft once all those Action Hero wannabes get swatted down by Iranian drones and the Canadian troops start rolling in to annex the southern province.
Who knew Fallout would be right about the annexation but wrong about which way it went?
There’s a good line from the TV show, I don’t think it was used in the games. It’s in reference to a character that has to travel from Canada to the USA, and someone tells them:
“don’t think of them as humans, think of them as Americans”
Most of war is getting things fixed or moving to the front line fighting. For every battalion fighting there is another fixing cars, doing laundry, cooking, or getting the paperwork in order for all of those. Doctors are just as important to an army as soldiers. None of those jobs is too much for a 35 year old getting 4 years of service in.
Nah we need the military as an option for poor 18yos with no job or education prospects after highschool. Which, despite the declining birthright, is still somehow a growing demographic.
Yeah, it should be, but 18-24 y/o's are much easier to indoctrinate and radicalize, as well as far more reckless in their tolerance for risky activities.
People don’t want to fight pedos war in Petey’s army so they expanded to recruit pool.
Training will have to be different. I am already to fed up with crap to have a drill instructor yell at me. They can give instructions and support, but I’m not getting “instilled” with anything.
Or maybe not. We see MAGA incel man cult guys paying thousands to get tormented at knock off BUDs training camps.
Low T won't save you as Hegseth wants to inject soldiers with T. Being trans also won't save you as they will happily change their tune on the trans military ban during a draft as an excuse to throw trans women into the meat grinder.
They won't refuse trans soldiers. They will just ban any action or expression which conforms to a gender identity not consistent with sex at birth, and selectively hand out corporal punishment for perceived infractions.
I just had my birthday and was excited to be no longer eligible for the draft. I don't think this will actually go anywhere (we have evil trolls running everything, they're probably doing this "for the lulz" or to "own the libs" or whatever)
You could get a waver to join at that age. I do think the US Military is a great option for people but it can be hard on a family though. It’s one of the reasons most of my friends did not renew. At 42 your probably have kids and probably have your life mostly fleshed out. The military was great for a lot of my friends and the benefits are good.
This admin I don’t trust why they are moving the goal post
Donald Trump and his war and all his followers can literally go fuck right on off with that bullshit. You can send all the republicans who voted for this shit including the republican senators. If 42 is cool, why not even older. Shit, they’ve lived their lives. Take one for the team guys
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I’m not dying for rich people that got power and decided to break literally every stabilizing thing in geopolitics so that they could make more money and then start a war to cover it up.
I might die because of them, but there’s no way I’m dying for them. If they draft, I’m running. call me whatever you want.
Point of order, democracy is a mechanism for selecting leadership, not an ideology of governance.
Democracies routinely produce Communist, Fascist, and Religious Fundamentalist leaders.
Like, I know it's a quote and all. But it's just a Baby's First PolySci view of how civilizations organize themselves. Not an ounce of Lockean Theory to be found.
That's before you get into the reality of Republican governance and practical enfranchisement. You can't go rolling up on Thomas Jefferson's slaves and announcing "Idiots, it's a democracy, why did you vote for this?"
Thanks. I'll convey this to Mr. Brooks for his consideration.
No, it's not. Or well, it's more than that -- especially ideologically. Quod omnes tangit, ab omnibus approbari debet -- "what concerns everyone must be approved by everyone".
Democracies don't function this way. Majoritarian rule regionally occurs in defiance of some portion of the public citizenry.
Depending on how the Democracy is organized bureaucratically, it may even be the majority of the citizenry.
I’ll hide ya.
I'd call you sane
I've got bone spurs on my bone spurs.
They jingle jangle jingle
(jingle jangle)
As I go right merrily along
and they say "aren't you glad you're not conscripted?"
And you’re too tall and handsome like Barron Trump? 😀
Oops ima bigo tranny,sorry, I’m not allowed
Back in line Klinger
Klinger's problem was slow reaction. Had he acted before they initially saw him, maybe. My dad was drafted in Vietnam and always told me to go right up and deep kiss the guy taking names. Although I don't think that would work as well now.
what do i do if he kisses back
put a ring on it
It would work, but only to keep you from getting drafted. You'd probably be in some sort of military brig for a good long while.
Much more effective* is to shoot the bastards. We all know how much americans talk about doing it...
*I'm not going to lie here, it's not more effective for you, just for everyone else after a few more follow your example. You'd be consigning yourself to death.
Don't worry, it's only a matter of time before they toss you in jail for attempting to draft dodge and forcibly detransition you, thus making you eligible.
Ever see M.A.S.H.?
I got banned for being trans 😎
Then I'm turning friendly fire on
Edit: Don't feel too bad as long as I get to take some out with me
Do it. Send me. I will frag so many officers.
Yes sir I can be trusted with a drone!
So you just want to try to kill someone and be killed if not put in prison for life? Weird fetish lol
No, it’s about sending a message that immoral conscription has consequences. If it means sacrificing your own life to send that message, so be it.
"I became a terrorist and murdered an innocent person because I didn't agree with someone else's decision."
The draft will never occur in the U.S. because we already have way to many people in the military. They don't need to have a draft.
Now if we made education and healthcare accessible to everyone like we should, we might not have as many people volunteering to go.
Our military would grow to like 10x the current size if we had forced conscription like Israel or Korea.
We couldn't afford it.
By definition there’s no such thing as an innocent military member.
Btw you are 100% Israel. Never been better a single day of your life. Your words proved it
So let me ask, do you think it would be proper to report this as a terrorist site. Choosing to murder a random person who has no choice to the military?
Hul didn't you said theirs was no draft ? Try to keep ypur story straight little propagandist.
"immoral conscription" was the comment I replied to? Do you not know what those words mean? That's called a draft in the country we are talking about.
Innocent person = Psychopathic mass murderer 🫵😂
I guess it doesn't feel bad when they're brown does it?
You are imagining the people who are drafted are brown now? Now we are going fr racist terrorists. Let's see if we can keep building
You don't get it do you? I guess this level of intelligence is expected of imperialist dickriders.
That you are a racist who wants to kill innocent brown people? Yes I get it
But most of all because all the commanders would get fragged.
The number of "frags" near "U.S. commanders" is near 0. People like Pete Hegseth are stupid, but even they aren't stupid enough to choose to go into an active warzone
We have an effective volunteer military, for now.
When civil unrest reaches critical mass the elites stop thinking about the military as a tool to force other countries to do what they want and start thinking about it as a tool to force the rabble to stay in line. This is the primary purpose of most militaries in the world.
The failure of the war in Iran brings us closer to that point.
As the country gets gets poorer, unfortunately we only end up with more volunteers.
Remember when everyone said Trump couldn't win the election*? And since when has not having the money for war stopped the US from going to war? They just borrow against their kids.
Although I will point out that Trump and Elon bragged about rigging the election, that's besides the point.
Base any of your thoughts on facts. Trump's an idiot. You are too according to this
If you think "it can't happen here", with regards to a draft, you're an idiot who has their head in the sand. Too many "it can't happen here" things have been happening.
It would bankrupt the country to add people we don't need... It would be like a sports team paying to have 10x the players and not be able to put any of them on the field.
Creating a draft would drive voters to increase the pay and benefits of soldiers as well.
So yes it could happen. But it is a near 0% chance of happening.
Might wanna look up the origin of fragging, why it was A Thing and how the circumstances not only destroyed the draft, but the US presence in vietnam
Not sure if you've noticed, but shrapnel-based explosives tend to not leave a lot of evidence.
That's just false. Most people hit by grenades live. They are also inventoried, and troops are in teams.
Why are people upvoting trying to murder someone they don't even know. That's just psychopathic.
They will know them by the time they do it.
So is literally whatever they're going to be drafted to do lol
So the person your fantasizing on murdering is there against their will as well.. sheesh.
"But those little weak american soldiers HAD to kill Iranian children"
What the fuck are you talking about. This post was about drafting people to the military, and someone saying please draft me so I can throw a grenade at others who were drafted. 0 people in this have been to Iran
Go cry about it somewhere else dumbass
Most retarded person of the year award right here. Boy couldn't even wish for dumbo ears
Ugh you sound like the Charlie Kirk apologists.
No my man, you are Charlie Kirk right now. Fact. Murder innocenta because of "nothing".
.... What?
Anyone who questions? Check his history
Lmao did you go and downvote a bunch of my comments?
It's called having a fucking spine
Sorry for saying that, but I do disagree that "having a spine" means Anything. It's all bs
Sounds about right lol
Do you want to admit that you area terrorist now? Because killing innocens without reason... Thats terrorist activity. trump may order some fucked up shit. That doesn't mean the poor have the ability to help there kids while jumping ship. 99% of the military have never killed anyone
Bro this is a weird fucking hill to die on. You sound really fucking weird right now. Relax on the terrorism nonsense.
"I want to.l be a terrorist but I don't want people to call me one"
Spineless
Spineless idiot
If they're voluntary participants in a hostile military conducting ethically unjustifiable actions then they're not fucking innocent at all, dumbass
They aren't volunteers if they are drafted as discussed. See a therapist, your calling people a dumbass for not wanting to murder people who are imagined to be conscripted
Nobody gets drafted into being a fucking officer dumbass
False.
You think you force conscription on 10 million people and don't have someone in charge. What an idiot
The terrorist is the the american army and the terrorist supporters are people like you
No one is "supporting" anyone here. Your just chosing to be a terrorist supporter and winding up on watch lists.
I do not support terrorism, you do
Murdering innocents with grenades because they were drafted.... "You do"
You like pancakes so you must hate waffles.
You are meme sir. Good day.
Of course never would i EVER frag a commandant of the New Reich in his own tent with his own ordinance, trust me bro! Why would I, a humble conscript, ever lash out at the fascist regime that's rounding up so many of my loved ones for summary extermination? Golly that would be awfully mean of me, just too cruel of me by far, to return even the tiniest, barest fraction of the gut wrenching agonizing tragedy they inflicted on us all BACK to them. Goodness forbid.
Man, I did some light manual labor yesterday and I can barely stand today. I can't go to fucking war without severely endangering every friendly around me.
So no, 45 is not the new thirty fucking anything.
An impediment to the U.S. military, you say? Now you really do have a moral obligation to sign up.
Actually, that sounds like you're perfect for the American military.
Or ICE.
Don't worry they're passing out TRT and ibuprofen.
When the draft hits but I'm trans.
I'm sure undesirables like us who can't be forced into the military will be forced into work camps.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/442nd_Infantry_Regiment
The 442nd Infantry Regiment is the most decorate unit in U.S. military history. This is because they were all Americans of Japanese decent during WWII and were sent on suicide missions.
Autist here, can I join ya? I've got Fallout 1 and 2 on disk.
Sony: He's got physical media! Get 'em!
Don't tell them about my record, VHS, DVD, and CD collections.
On disk!? 👀
Birthday gift from when I was like 12. Got the both of them at a pawn shop in rural Arkansas.
what retirement, my retirement plan is dying in Greater European Water Wars (2041-ongoing)
you mean because we have too much water or too little water?
It can definitely be both.
these are two sides
Oceania has always been at war with Eastasia
We're at war with Westasia too though.
If there's a draft, I hope the MAGAs cry when their kids and grandkids get dragged off to boot camp.
A draft at this point would result in massive civil unrest. I'm pretty sure even casual MAGA people would lose their shit. The Iran war is already massively unpopular.
Whether to boot camp or concentration camp, this Reich has camps for all of us ._.
Turns out that while fascism fetishizes the ingroup in it doesn't improve life for them except a small portion of unexceptional members whom it elevates to positions they really shouldn't be in
Their kids have probably disowned them and cut contract, so they might be happy they are off to war to become "war fighters" and get testosterone shots
What do they need to draft people for?
They only need a few brainwashed children to fly drones from an air conditioned trailer.
Empire of cowards.
Isn't 35 also too old for the draft?
They increased the max to 42
https://www.goarmy.com/how-to-join/requirements
This is not a draft. Which is like 18-26ish typically.
BUT, that doesn’t mean the draft is fixed at those ages. BUT, I doubt they would ever need to draft up to 42 based on the US population and the willingness of psychos to want to a) kill people or b) get paid to kill people via promises of a better life later as a veteran (Baby killer)
There's the ones who like to shoot things, but don't forget the c) it's either join the military for pay or live in poverty or worse.
Not sure where that came from, but tag me however you want. Might want to reread what I wrote that was agreeing with you and adding more ways people get funneled into service? Nothing I said was a promotion for joining anything. Also appreciate the subtle violence in the wish for me... wow.
Oh, so trolling then. That makes more sense. No one could be that dumb.
The first thing you've said that I can't agree with.
Pizza cutter mentality. All edge, no point.
Enjoy your retirement, American. I mean… working until you die because you have no safety net and your country is dying. 😂 byyyeeeeeeee
Chill the fuck. That isn’t what they said at all. They said it’s the reason some people do it.
Do you think it’s okay to join the military and kill people for a government who won’t feed its people, just so you can eat?
It’s a yes or a no.
No. I don’t. Some people do. That what the op was saying. Now chill out.
Do you think I should stop criticizing the government and the people who kill in their name just because it inconveniences someone online?
Yes or no.
The only actual psycho in this conversation is you.
Good thing I don’t value the opinion of magats or veterans.
yes, we get it, you've lived a life of extreme privilege. Good for you.
Yes, we get it, you think it’s cool to kill people for money. Good for you.
They need a draft once all those Action Hero wannabes get swatted down by Iranian drones and the Canadian troops start rolling in to annex the southern province.
Who knew Fallout would be right about the annexation but wrong about which way it went?
Haha annex. Love it.
There’s a good line from the TV show, I don’t think it was used in the games. It’s in reference to a character that has to travel from Canada to the USA, and someone tells them:
“don’t think of them as humans, think of them as Americans”
This website says it goes up to 45
https://usmilitary.com/from-18-to-45-a-comprehensive-look-at-us-military-draft-ages/
Well awesome for me I reckon, I'll be 44 this Wednesday. 👍
You're never too old to soak up an FPV drone
Join the navy so that a single $300 drone can destroy a $50B Trump class battleship
Give the war 10 years and it'll be a $350 Trillion Trump Class America Drone, and be some janky ass quad copter that burns coal
Well maybe we are getting steampunk after all.....
Draft age gonna change in any real war.
Yeah, they will forcibly recruit anyone they want if their hold on power is seriously threatened
Most of war is getting things fixed or moving to the front line fighting. For every battalion fighting there is another fixing cars, doing laundry, cooking, or getting the paperwork in order for all of those. Doctors are just as important to an army as soldiers. None of those jobs is too much for a 35 year old getting 4 years of service in.
Ageist nonsense.
They used to contact out most of that stuff for us Marines
Russia entered the chat
35 is the new 27
Good thing I'm 35 in a few months.
Except they just changed the enlistment (and by proxy draft) age to 42.
You and i my friend
35 is too young imo, or should be the minimum age
Nah we need the military as an option for poor 18yos with no job or education prospects after highschool. Which, despite the declining birthright, is still somehow a growing demographic.
Yeah, it should be, but 18-24 y/o's are much easier to indoctrinate and radicalize, as well as far more reckless in their tolerance for risky activities.
So you're saying I still might have a chance to frag a commander, after all?
People don’t want to fight pedos war in Petey’s army so they expanded to recruit pool.
Training will have to be different. I am already to fed up with crap to have a drill instructor yell at me. They can give instructions and support, but I’m not getting “instilled” with anything. Or maybe not. We see MAGA incel man cult guys paying thousands to get tormented at knock off BUDs training camps.
And here I was expecting that AI will allow people to be more productive and retire early. Man, I was so naive.
No AI gets to make art and design systems which will leave us free to do the back breaking manual labor.
AI does not make art. It makes soulless, meaningless slop.
But at least it's enabling child predators! Wait. Oh, no. Is AI actually a bad thing!?
I still have high hopes it'll help the environment, at least?
Was? You think that AI is done causing problems? There are whole new classes of unknown problems waiting for us in the future...
"Was" doesn't imply they think we've hit rock-bottom.
They were naive to think "AI" would improve things, but now they are appropriately pessimistic going forward.
Imagine being fucking 42 and still willing to kill/die for this shithole country. wew.
Idk, I think there's a real demographic of Divorced Dads who could qualify.
*massacres entire village*
"fuck you, stacy!"
If they start the draft, many of us will just have to become trans, get bone spurs, or have low T.
I can't wait for the lawsuits around legally compelled detransititions for military draft or any government positions.
Low T won't save you as Hegseth wants to inject soldiers with T. Being trans also won't save you as they will happily change their tune on the trans military ban during a draft as an excuse to throw trans women into the meat grinder.
They won't refuse trans soldiers. They will just ban any action or expression which conforms to a gender identity not consistent with sex at birth, and selectively hand out corporal punishment for perceived infractions.
recruit me at 39 and I hurt my back on day 1 tying my boots
The Epstein class has to cull the proletariat somehow.
Oh no my bone spurs are acting up again
There's one more reason to start HRT as soon as possible.
Holy shit you guys I can still join the Army and be out with full bennys by the young old age of 61! jfk
I just had my birthday and was excited to be no longer eligible for the draft. I don't think this will actually go anywhere (we have evil trolls running everything, they're probably doing this "for the lulz" or to "own the libs" or whatever)
Haha "no longer eligible" lol good one
I turned 43 a few weeks ago.
Sucks to suck, Heg-suck.
They have altered the rules, don't make them alter then any further.
Retirement doesn't exist. Only hospice.
Look at fancy pants, planning to die inside like a millionaire.
Yeah, I'm white.
My aches and pains at 41 say otherwise.
I assume they target 42 as the median age for men midlife crisis
No, somebody read Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy and decided to use the answer to the Ultimate Question.
I’m an xennial and I was already figuring that I’ll never be able to retire.
Haha, get fucked.
I guess I’ll stop taking my seizure meds just in time for the bus ride
35 is also pushing it
Make it a donut hole. Not eliglbe between the ages of 36 and 66 ^1/2. Drone technology can easily be applied to rollators and walkers.
I'm pretty sure that what you're suggesting is very nearly the plot of John Scalzi's "Old Man's War"
I doubt i am eligible but if i am, i'il totally have an incident
Me too(by Italian standards)
If it isn't the 'tism or low executive function, it's gotta be the ADHD
As a soldier, don't we reserve the right to ignore orders that are unconstitutional?
The next forever war is overdue.
No thanks
Hard pass.
You could get a waver to join at that age. I do think the US Military is a great option for people but it can be hard on a family though. It’s one of the reasons most of my friends did not renew. At 42 your probably have kids and probably have your life mostly fleshed out. The military was great for a lot of my friends and the benefits are good.
This admin I don’t trust why they are moving the goal post
I'm feeling goarmy
Donald Trump and his war and all his followers can literally go fuck right on off with that bullshit. You can send all the republicans who voted for this shit including the republican senators. If 42 is cool, why not even older. Shit, they’ve lived their lives. Take one for the team guys
I don’t feel 35