I've opened some. It's genius, it's like a giant webpage with lots of information, but without all the ads, cookie banners, etc. Unfortunately the ones I have don't seem to support any way to quickly search in the text. Though they've also thought about that, rather than implementing search these books tend to have a big overview at the start with all the separate chapters and sometimes a search index of commonly searched words at the end. Quite genius for what's effectively just a neat monitor stand
I'm required to use it for generating code. But that's a small part of my job. Occasionally I'll use it to research niche topics because it's faster than a search but I'd be just fine without it.
I spent 10+ years coding without AI. It's just a tool, and one that's easily misused by people with low aptitude. I see it all the time and have to leave comments and block PRs until people fix the slop it outputs.
sames. That said, if AI went away, we have a few already-deployed systems that would go poof too. They increase throughput of the humans doing real work (we're not building reverse centaurs here). Since we implemented them, we've not needed to hire more.
Me, a Meth Addict, constantly trying to blow meth smoke in your face and stab you with meth needles: "You're going to have a pretty hard time getting by without it!"
Probably. The system is broken. But let's not blame a mindless, emotionless chemical for how it is being abused and misused. Throw rocks at the assholes causing harm, not the needle laying in the street.
I think the most upsetting part of AI is discovering how many people were so ready for it, like they were just waiting for something to show up that they could offload their lack of creativity or responsibility onto.
I instantly lost friends because the first thing out of their mouth was 'thank God I never have to pay anyone to commission art ever again and the little guy has access to good OC art.'
No absolving the LLM-obsessed but I believe the average person is just so overwhelmed with society that they salivate for easy answers, just so that something is easy in their lives.
I imagine LLMs wouldn't be as persuasive if humans had the leisure to satisfy their curiosity, indulge in artistic expression, and socialize with their loved ones. Instead we're inculcated to this rat race and get surprised when people fall for any scraps they can get their hands on.
Some people are mindless by nature, but this set-up was nutured (intentionally or not) by those wanting to exploit the commoners.
I had this sort of sympathy until I saw how openly hostile people were in their open jealousy over talented people. I kept running into these people for years who were just so angry at the fact that they had to pay someone for their time and talent.
This gets to be a little offshooty for other things I tend to have less popular opinions on, but it's the same people who feel that piracy should be the norm. No art, performance, or entertainment should be allowed to compel payment and it should all be free. This includes people who absolutely froth about advertisments on their Youtube videos. Granted 5 ads in a row is ridiculous but peraonally I want my artists and performers to be paid egregiously and I will suffer some small inconveniences to make sure they ateast get something from me.
But I think the venn diagram of people who are obsessed with AI and the people who just take offense to having to spend money on anything is a pretty tight one.
I'm staunchly anti-AI, pro-piracy, and pro-adblock. You should never pay for anything made by Disney, Warner Brothers, or Paramount. You should never watch an ad served by Google or Meta. And you should never use Elon Musk's child porn nazi machine or Sam Altman's child murderer machine.
There's no ethical consumption under capitalism. But you can make your consumption less unethical, by refusing to give time or money to billionaires.
That doesn't change the fact that artists and creatives have no other outlet than to be beholden by their platform. Unless you're going and buying hatsune miku fanart prints at your farmers market, unethucal consumption under captitalism also means trying to find out how to provide for the staff who still contribute to meaningful art, even if that is the set designer for an Avengers slop movie.
Yeah, obviously you should throw money at creators you like on bandcamp and patreon.
But Owen Dennis ain't getting My money if I subscribe to paramount plus for Among Us, and he sure as shit ain't getting any money if I watch an ad on cartoon network's website while trying to figure out how to watch Infinity Train. I really love Infinity Train, but you can't watch it legally anymore. And it's not like Owen gets a big bonus if enough people subscribe to catch Among Us.
So anyway I just sent Owen Dennis some money on Patreon to show My appreciation for his amazing cartoons. And I'm still gonna block as many ads as I can!
Hey cool. You make all the calculations you want. As long as you're supporting creators then that's all that matters. I reiterate, there are people who take great personal offense to having to pay money for anything and you don't appear to be one of them.
Definitely. I haven't even begun to use it yet and its already pissing me off. If I touch the phone in just the wrong way it starts doing AI at me. Turns out it starts doing AI at me if I hold the power button down to turn it off. Imagine my anger.
Every time I turn my Windows laptop on it throws more and more copilot bollocks at me that I dont need or want and dont have the time to try and disable so I just have to spend the whole time fighting it off like a dog trying to hump my leg when I'm trying to cook dinner.
If I touch the phone in just the wrong way it starts doing AI at me. Turns out it starts doing AI at me if I hold the power button down to turn it off.
I try to search - AI humps my leg. I shop online - useless AI assistant humps my leg. I phone a company for customer service - oh you better believe some stupid AI voice humps my leg.
..and yes, I'm Nordic and tolerate it fucking perfectly. The only American I've ever dated got into this with me so hard I thought she'd die on the sidewalk out of pure spite right there. "Milk is for baby cows," my hairy ass. It's for delicious fucking pizzas, amongst many other delicious things.
..also if you've been in Finland for close to a fucking decade and haven't figured out that yes, we fucking drink it just like that maybe it's time to figure out a new area in the world to settle. Like a Polynesian Volcano. Fuuuck.
Here's a great (and by great I mean awful) historical quote on milk from 1933:
“A casual look at the races of people seems to show that those using much milk are the strongest physically and mentally, and the most enduring of the people of the world. Of all races, the Aryans seem to have been the heaviest drinkers of milk and the greatest users of butter and cheese, a fact that may in part account for the quick and high development of this division of human beings.”
All of these people that want to end billionaires, or reduce their accumulated wealth, I have one question: if billionaires disappeared tomorrow would you still get through an entire day of your life? Imagine if the rich were eaten? Would you really be willing to give them up?
I'm 50. I would do just fine without AI like I did when we didn't have the Internet. I'll adjust. It might be a pain without GPS, Google Maps. Being without a cell phone would be a big one for me as well. It's not like we have pay phones anymore. And I would have to go back to pagers/beepers. But i would manage either way.
The loss of AI would barely be noticable for the average person. A bunch of developers would have a bad day trying to remove all that integration they were forced by management to add, but beyond that, people would move on.
Removing the Internet as a whole at this stage would be basically impossible without halting pretty much every economic force on the planet, I think. The Internet acts as the backbone of pretty much everything related to monetary transactions or logistics in general.
I'd say if we were to increase our resilience in an analogue world, we should start now while those who lived the analogue era are still alive and functional. Otherwise, we'll see ourselves heavily dependent on power and data as long as modern civilisation exists.
This is wildly incorrect. If by AI you mean exclusively modern LLMs, then it would effectively halt quite a lot of modern research, including virology, epidemiology, physics, materials sciences, and many more.
If by AI you mean the actual definition of AI, then you can say goodbye to the Internet as we know it today. Translation services, fraud protection, GPS, 99.9% of all software development, etc. nobody had a problem with AI ~5 years ago. Those exact same algorithms are now flagged as evil because people misunderstand what they're even complaining about.
The impossibility of removing the Internet is identical to the impossibility of removing AI. Or, if you use the incorrect term to mean LLMs exclusively, then say goodbye to quite a lot of critical modern research. I hope you don't like antibiotics, because there was a recent breakthrough that used Evo 1 and Evo 2, both LLMs trained on genome data.
I would do just fine without AI like I did when we didn’t have the Internet.
I mean, I considered the internet a godsend for a whole host of reasons and have been much better off with it than without it. Auto-Nav alone has saved me more hours utterly lost in my car than I care to think about.
But i would manage either way.
Wouldn't really have a choice.
But then that's the thing with AI. It's not "the internet". It's this superfluous annoying add-on that keeps getting forced into platforms I was perfectly happy to use without it.
I'm constantly "choosing" not to use it and then finding the damned thing branded onto the ass-end of whatever new application or environment I approach.
I'm not using any "forced on me" AI products, other than as a search engine aid, and I have better tools for that now anyway.
I do, absolutely use AI. I use local, self hosted small focused AI that run on old hardware I was just using to self host media and games anyway.
Want do my AI do? Lots of boring organizing, text/voice recognition, and script/simple coding for hobby projects and such, all offline. For online stuff there are private large models vailable, but those cost money and I'm cheap.
If I lost it all? Well it would just take me longer to do the boring stuff and have less time for fun stuff edit
I use a self-hosted combo of Hister (search engine with local index, you can get a browser extension to add pages you visit to the index so it basically searches your own browser history, it also bas a web crawler for building up your local index) and SearXNG (meta-search engine, it basically searches multiple normal search engines in the background, and you can route those searches through tor or a rotating list of proxies for increased privacy)
Highly recommend it. Only took like 5 minutes to set up, just install it, enable the systemd service (or equivalent, I've only run it on arch, but I assume there's at least an openrc service as well), and then set which engines you want it to pull from in the config (and optionally configure search proxies)
This betrays such a lack of imagination (and probably empathy), as he is completely incapable of conceiving that people don't use LLMs as much as he does.
Haters are absolutely people that use it all the time but are against it? For clout? To simply hate on something?
Last time I sullied my fingers with a copilot prompt, it decided lobster was vegan so I immediately scrapped that idea and went back to real intelligence. I would be 100.00% delighted if "AI" disappeared.
This is the 3rd of 4th time recently that I've heard someone, directly or indirectly, describe AI like meth. The first one was Hank Green when he said something along the lines of getting hooked on 'being able to get things done faster,' which is exactly how many people end up meth-heads.
This is really what has put me off AI, yes there are the ethical and environmental considerations and they worry me too but ultimately it's the price, and the knowledge that the price inevitably will increase.
I don't want to build all my workflows on a system that not only do I not really control I don't even have a fixed price for. That just seems like a really bad design.
I also dislike using Microsoft 365 for the exact same reason. I do not want to rest my business model on someone else's business model.
I'm not anti-AI, but I'm most definitely anti-corporate greed. I wish there was moderation in all of this. I wish there were regulations instead of letting companies blindly buy hardware before it's even made based on what they or their competitors might be doing 2 years from now. Fuck that.
With that said, yes, AI is a helpful tool, yes, I'm using it every day at work, and yes, I can do without it no problem - just like I have for many many years.
AI has been in development for a long time, I remember learning about neural networks when I was at school in the 90s, they weren't very sophisticated by all accounts but the research was there. What's happened lately is that scientists have been replaced by tech bros and all the research is now happening out in public, and it is on sale, rather than in the labs where it can be regulated by people who are not purely profit motivated.
The internet didn't vanish when the dot com bubble burst, all that happened was that businesses were more accurately assessed as to their market value. If anything, the internet was improved by the dot com bubble burst, does increase the number of actually practical ideas.
I suspect AI will be better once the AI bubble bursts, and the research goes back into labs and starts being done by ethical scientists again.
This is a very level headed take, thank you. Ai is so bad right now because of hype and overvaluation, not because the technology is inherently bad or good.
I like to think about the fact that most AI companies lose huge sums of money, and that it can't really be maintained. It'll naturally become an expensive tool after the "hype" dies down. It'll no longer be worth it to put it in everything, to message random shit to it etc.
Fair point, but the damage is done, the hardware market will take years to recover (if it ever does), not to mention the negative effect on the environment.
I've never understood the appeal of the "smartified" appliances. My TV is more annoying than it used to be because it has smart features, it was actually more useful when it was dumb and simply played broadcast television or whatever was fed to it varian HDMI port, I don't need smart light switches asI can turn my own lights on it's not that difficult, I don't need a smart fridge either, not unless it's going to stock itself.
I can't think of a single piece of equipment that I use on a regular basis that would benefit from having internet connectivity added to it. I guess it would be nice if my wall clock updated when the hours changed due to daylight savings, but nothing other than that.
It's a good accelerator for mundane tasks, and usually a good indicator that you could farm those tasks out to an intern.
You should give AI the same responsibility and trust that you give to a green intern because it will confidently fuck things up and requires an experienced eye to review anything it produces.
If AI went away tomorrow, we could probably take the cost and redistribute it to a graduate or two.
The funny thing is that meth actually increases productivity in a way where YOU are actually doing the fucking work.
Unlike AI which not only does it for you so you begin to get rusty and lose your ability to be effective, but it gets all the work fucking wrong as well.
Essentially what I'm saying is that meth is a more effective workplace tool than AI. I'm sure a lot of psychopathic, shark tank type business people would agree with me.
I'm not trying to say meth is a good thing. I'm just saying it's legitimately a more useful tool than fucking AI.
Yes, because I don't rely on AI or even computers to do my work. The joys of printed manuals and life experience. Only computer I use at work is a shitty old iPad and order software which uses an incredibly dated interface that's never seen AI let alone a competent UX designer.
Yeh possibly a little early to pull that card, might make more sense for like "the internet" or something where it's had about 30 years to become an essential part of people's lives. Unlike a lot of the Lemmy audience who would clearly not be the type of people he's thinking of, I actually do make use of some of those tools so I should really be exactly one of the types he's thinking about but while I've developed that habit and would likely notice the absence of the tools for about a fortnight, it'd hardly make a massive difference.
Man the last thing i want to do is go through moon rune math on wikipedia or Stack Overflow when i need to solve a well defined problem in programming like the ye old days.
If content-aware fill launched today, I bet they'd call it AI. Algorithms were variably called AI in 2010, depending on what we were talking about. But Adobe marketed content-aware fill as "magic" more than anything.
Dude can’t even think about all the people who don’t use AI for anything, much less work. On the other hand, not having to deal with AI spam, marketing, slop, fake news, rage bait, crap products, etc. would be great.
I would be very sad if it went away. It can perform tasks that are otherwise impossible without the expense of incredible amounts of the most valuable of all resources: time.
Thankfully I have it setup locally, so it's not truly a potential outcome.
Dude forgot that its not something like computers or the internet. Jobs DONT depend on AI. AI is only used for assistance. Heck AI uses the same tools as humans to perform the same task so yeah no. If AI dissappear tomorrow (which a lot us will want to cuz RAM prices...nonsensical AI videos images etc), my job will be even more secured. No issues if AI goes away. Also, in some sensitive client projects, companies dont even allow the use of AI so it doesn't really matter
Also, in some sensitive client projects, companies dont even allow the use of AI so it doesn't really matter
Which is prohibitively expensive because of the RAM prices. So AI is making it financially unviable to run AI models. Great what a wonderful feedback loop, can't see that ending badly.
AI is a great help for coding. Not a substitute. But in general, the way ai is applied to everything it’s just annoying. I don’t need it in my search, my shopping, my car or anything like that. A tool is a tool and should be used responsibly. I mean I don’t try to chop my vegetables with a chainsaw, just because the chainsaw looks cooler than my knife and in theory can also chop vegetables as well.
It is a good tool for coding. I could complain about data mining issues with non local stuff like claude... But what really bothers me is how some programmers dont even check its output. For work they get PAID to do. Im not even talking about not checking the code. They dont even check the product to see if it works or not. I have had 2 cases of this on freelance contracts so far.
It can be an efficient tool to create a base for further work. If is have to choose between a programmer slaving away for weeks or months to build a solid framework, or an ai doing it in a few hours, I’d pick the ai, since it uses less resources. The programmer is better applied at working out the kinks and specifics.
Some pleeb trying to get comments and foot traffic to his post on what ever stoopid platform..
ignoring ai bs is the best way to remove from our environment
In my experience, LLMs have been very good at writing unit code. Definitely don't miss Stackoverflow. Besides this (and framing silly stuff), they aren't there yet. They will be at some point in the future with some interesting architectural progress, but I haven't personally experienced this future yet.
I’d go back to regular Googling and that’s all I’d miss. I very much want to do my job entirely by hand instead of spending my days trying to get AI to jump through the hoops and then having to fix everything when it can’t.
rhetorical question: when you're anti-*, do you go out and do the thing you're against? Like if you're anti-smoking, do you go out and smoke a big fat vape? No, you do not. In other terminology, we call that hypocrisy.
I'd say the majority of people's reasons against AI isn't just about the environmental impact but the offloading of your cognitive and mental ability, why would someone be anti-ai and still use ai when it directly hinders the ability to cognitively think in the first place.
Anyways, the reason I'm pointing this out, is if you're anti-ai, the philosophy assumes you don't use LLM's in the first place. So when someone asks this (redundant) question of "can you work without chatgpt?" or "if chatgpt disappeared, would you still be able to get through the day?" I've already been doing it.
I can get through my day without using chatGPT. It's a tool for the briefest of my circumstances (mostly for tedious work), and I could do my day without using it and without hindering my performance.
Real talk. AI isn't the problem. AI is nothing but a tool. It's corporate greed that is the problem.
I use AI. It's a fantastic tool. My QA time is slashed in 1/2. Reports that I have to do weekly is done so quickly, it might as well be instant. What used to take my 6 hours. Instant. . Everything is more efficient.
But it doesn't replace humans. It just shifts the tasks. Instead of building reports and power points, I'm spending more time training my junior devs. It frees up my time to do other tasks is more important.
Not sure the nature of the QA you perform but as somebody who was forced to use AI QA for a bit in a ticketing system for support purposes, my 2 cents is: don’t.
I did the exercise for 2 months where I double checked all the stuff it spewed as summaries of actions, recommendations, wrap up info and applied codes vs stuff that was actually happening in the tickets, it was consistently inconsistent and while on the surface as a quick check it looks fine, the moment any scrutiny is applied it falls apart.
AI is just a tool and no tool is inherently bad per se.
but this one has been built fully unethically and it's causing so much harm in the world that said argument can't really be applied here (most) AI is bad.
100% agree. The best a lowly peon like me can do is to try and hire junior devs instead of replacing them. Managers like me have to incorporate it into the teams workflow. If I don't do it, I don't have a job.
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I use AI at work everyday. If it went away the only thing that would change is I’d just go back to googling stuff
Hey there buddy, wanna overthrow the prime minister of Malaysia with me?
As soon as you answer "but why models?"
Mail Models
Okay... but why mail models?
Buttery males!
I… just explained that
Hilarious LMAO
And if googling went away I’d just go back to those giant books with the animals on them.
You'd need to lift the monitors off them first.
Has anyone ever opened one of those books? For all we know, they could just be a bunch of blank pages on the inside
I have read these ancient tomes. The knowledge does exist.
The same, the animal revelations hold forbidden knowledge, but one can derive great power from them
Nah it's actually just analog AI, someone opened one a few years ago and that's where all this mess started
I've opened some. It's genius, it's like a giant webpage with lots of information, but without all the ads, cookie banners, etc. Unfortunately the ones I have don't seem to support any way to quickly search in the text. Though they've also thought about that, rather than implementing search these books tend to have a big overview at the start with all the separate chapters and sometimes a search index of commonly searched words at the end. Quite genius for what's effectively just a neat monitor stand
Fucking love holding raw knowledge with my bare hands.
I'm required to use it for generating code. But that's a small part of my job. Occasionally I'll use it to research niche topics because it's faster than a search but I'd be just fine without it.
I spent 10+ years coding without AI. It's just a tool, and one that's easily misused by people with low aptitude. I see it all the time and have to leave comments and block PRs until people fix the slop it outputs.
sames. That said, if AI went away, we have a few already-deployed systems that would go poof too. They increase throughput of the humans doing real work (we're not building reverse centaurs here). Since we implemented them, we've not needed to hire more.
Me, a Meth Addict, constantly trying to blow meth smoke in your face and stab you with meth needles: "You're going to have a pretty hard time getting by without it!"
I guess we just have to accept meth being forced into everything because the cat is out of the bag!
Meth is the future. If you don't start now, you'll get left behind.
It seems like most of my friends are on addy, so.... yes?
Me, an ADHD sufferer, "Yeah, meth is terrible. But please don't try to ban amphetamines universally."
Right now I could probably get meth easier than adderall even with my prescription.
Probably. The system is broken. But let's not blame a mindless, emotionless chemical for how it is being abused and misused. Throw rocks at the assholes causing harm, not the needle laying in the street.
I've been wondering why is meth still allowed as a treatment for adhd? Do regular amphetamines not work for some people?
Um did buddy not exist before AI? We got this far without it so...
I think the most upsetting part of AI is discovering how many people were so ready for it, like they were just waiting for something to show up that they could offload their lack of creativity or responsibility onto.
I instantly lost friends because the first thing out of their mouth was 'thank God I never have to pay anyone to commission art ever again and the little guy has access to good OC art.'
These people were not functioning before AI.
No absolving the LLM-obsessed but I believe the average person is just so overwhelmed with society that they salivate for easy answers, just so that something is easy in their lives.
I imagine LLMs wouldn't be as persuasive if humans had the leisure to satisfy their curiosity, indulge in artistic expression, and socialize with their loved ones. Instead we're inculcated to this rat race and get surprised when people fall for any scraps they can get their hands on.
Some people are mindless by nature, but this set-up was nutured (intentionally or not) by those wanting to exploit the commoners.
I had this sort of sympathy until I saw how openly hostile people were in their open jealousy over talented people. I kept running into these people for years who were just so angry at the fact that they had to pay someone for their time and talent.
This gets to be a little offshooty for other things I tend to have less popular opinions on, but it's the same people who feel that piracy should be the norm. No art, performance, or entertainment should be allowed to compel payment and it should all be free. This includes people who absolutely froth about advertisments on their Youtube videos. Granted 5 ads in a row is ridiculous but peraonally I want my artists and performers to be paid egregiously and I will suffer some small inconveniences to make sure they ateast get something from me.
But I think the venn diagram of people who are obsessed with AI and the people who just take offense to having to spend money on anything is a pretty tight one.
I'm staunchly anti-AI, pro-piracy, and pro-adblock. You should never pay for anything made by Disney, Warner Brothers, or Paramount. You should never watch an ad served by Google or Meta. And you should never use Elon Musk's child porn nazi machine or Sam Altman's child murderer machine.
There's no ethical consumption under capitalism. But you can make your consumption less unethical, by refusing to give time or money to billionaires.
That doesn't change the fact that artists and creatives have no other outlet than to be beholden by their platform. Unless you're going and buying hatsune miku fanart prints at your farmers market, unethucal consumption under captitalism also means trying to find out how to provide for the staff who still contribute to meaningful art, even if that is the set designer for an Avengers slop movie.
Yeah, obviously you should throw money at creators you like on bandcamp and patreon.
But Owen Dennis ain't getting My money if I subscribe to paramount plus for Among Us, and he sure as shit ain't getting any money if I watch an ad on cartoon network's website while trying to figure out how to watch Infinity Train. I really love Infinity Train, but you can't watch it legally anymore. And it's not like Owen gets a big bonus if enough people subscribe to catch Among Us.
So anyway I just sent Owen Dennis some money on Patreon to show My appreciation for his amazing cartoons. And I'm still gonna block as many ads as I can!
Hey cool. You make all the calculations you want. As long as you're supporting creators then that's all that matters. I reiterate, there are people who take great personal offense to having to pay money for anything and you don't appear to be one of them.
Yup. There's a large population of humans that really just objectively suck.
He existed but he must never have actually bothered learning to do anything.
Definitely. I haven't even begun to use it yet and its already pissing me off. If I touch the phone in just the wrong way it starts doing AI at me. Turns out it starts doing AI at me if I hold the power button down to turn it off. Imagine my anger.
Every time I turn my Windows laptop on it throws more and more copilot bollocks at me that I dont need or want and dont have the time to try and disable so I just have to spend the whole time fighting it off like a dog trying to hump my leg when I'm trying to cook dinner.
Execs: "AI engagement is extremely high."
Your metaphor is perfect!
I try to search - AI humps my leg. I shop online - useless AI assistant humps my leg. I phone a company for customer service - oh you better believe some stupid AI voice humps my leg.
How could I ever live without it?
Win debloater. You can kill cp entirely and save your bullshit gutting script to run again in the future
Please don't abbreviate copilot and please don't make me explain why.
Oh no no no that was deliberate. I want that association to tske flight and fuck their branding
You are playing a dangerous game with cheese pizza.
i have no idea what that means
EdiT: ih. yes, of course. Cock pirate. Apologies for the slow draw, been building a basement brewery all day
Sounds sick. Got any pics?
Of your brewery - not the other thing 💀
Cheese pizza is also perverted. You're covering a perfectly good pizza with stolen rotted breast milk from an animal. Vegan cheese pizza is fine.
Fuck that. Cow milk goes moo oo oo oo oo.
..and yes, I'm Nordic and tolerate it fucking perfectly. The only American I've ever dated got into this with me so hard I thought she'd die on the sidewalk out of pure spite right there. "Milk is for baby cows," my hairy ass. It's for delicious fucking pizzas, amongst many other delicious things.
..also if you've been in Finland for close to a fucking decade and haven't figured out that yes, we fucking drink it just like that maybe it's time to figure out a new area in the world to settle. Like a Polynesian Volcano. Fuuuck.
Oh yeah good point, animal breast milk is also connected to race by right wing weirdos. Source: https://theconversation.com/milk-a-symbol-of-neo-nazi-hate-83292
Here's a great (and by great I mean awful) historical quote on milk from 1933:
I have seen multiple of those Windows debloater scripts online, but I struggle to understand which one is legit and which could be malware
Personally i use winscript, but it does require familiarity with what you're disabling.
Majorgeeks links are safe
You should install Linux!
All of these people that want to end billionaires, or reduce their accumulated wealth, I have one question: if billionaires disappeared tomorrow would you still get through an entire day of your life? Imagine if the rich were eaten? Would you really be willing to give them up?
Look man, im already starving, you dont need to make me hungrier comparing it like that
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Oh yeah, I like the way you talk.
I'm 50. I would do just fine without AI like I did when we didn't have the Internet. I'll adjust. It might be a pain without GPS, Google Maps. Being without a cell phone would be a big one for me as well. It's not like we have pay phones anymore. And I would have to go back to pagers/beepers. But i would manage either way.
The loss of AI would barely be noticable for the average person. A bunch of developers would have a bad day trying to remove all that integration they were forced by management to add, but beyond that, people would move on.
Removing the Internet as a whole at this stage would be basically impossible without halting pretty much every economic force on the planet, I think. The Internet acts as the backbone of pretty much everything related to monetary transactions or logistics in general.
Yep, and after IOT stuff even some people homes would have plenty of problems
I'd say if we were to increase our resilience in an analogue world, we should start now while those who lived the analogue era are still alive and functional. Otherwise, we'll see ourselves heavily dependent on power and data as long as modern civilisation exists.
This is wildly incorrect. If by AI you mean exclusively modern LLMs, then it would effectively halt quite a lot of modern research, including virology, epidemiology, physics, materials sciences, and many more.
If by AI you mean the actual definition of AI, then you can say goodbye to the Internet as we know it today. Translation services, fraud protection, GPS, 99.9% of all software development, etc. nobody had a problem with AI ~5 years ago. Those exact same algorithms are now flagged as evil because people misunderstand what they're even complaining about.
The impossibility of removing the Internet is identical to the impossibility of removing AI. Or, if you use the incorrect term to mean LLMs exclusively, then say goodbye to quite a lot of critical modern research. I hope you don't like antibiotics, because there was a recent breakthrough that used Evo 1 and Evo 2, both LLMs trained on genome data.
I mean, I considered the internet a godsend for a whole host of reasons and have been much better off with it than without it. Auto-Nav alone has saved me more hours utterly lost in my car than I care to think about.
Wouldn't really have a choice.
But then that's the thing with AI. It's not "the internet". It's this superfluous annoying add-on that keeps getting forced into platforms I was perfectly happy to use without it.
I'm constantly "choosing" not to use it and then finding the damned thing branded onto the ass-end of whatever new application or environment I approach.
I'm not using any "forced on me" AI products, other than as a search engine aid, and I have better tools for that now anyway.
I do, absolutely use AI. I use local, self hosted small focused AI that run on old hardware I was just using to self host media and games anyway.
Want do my AI do? Lots of boring organizing, text/voice recognition, and script/simple coding for hobby projects and such, all offline. For online stuff there are private large models vailable, but those cost money and I'm cheap.
If I lost it all? Well it would just take me longer to do the boring stuff and have less time for fun stuff edit
Work in cybersecurity. Don't use AI. Thanks to AI all the search engines are fucked.
Please let it die.
Jokes on you, I use AI as a search engine to wade through all the other AI generated slop. It works some of the time, unlike google which is only ads.
I use a self-hosted combo of Hister (search engine with local index, you can get a browser extension to add pages you visit to the index so it basically searches your own browser history, it also bas a web crawler for building up your local index) and SearXNG (meta-search engine, it basically searches multiple normal search engines in the background, and you can route those searches through tor or a rotating list of proxies for increased privacy)
Setting up SearXNG is on my to-do list
Highly recommend it. Only took like 5 minutes to set up, just install it, enable the systemd service (or equivalent, I've only run it on arch, but I assume there's at least an openrc service as well), and then set which engines you want it to pull from in the config (and optionally configure search proxies)
edit: wrong user
What hardware do you use?
This betrays such a lack of imagination (and probably empathy), as he is completely incapable of conceiving that people don't use LLMs as much as he does.
Haters are absolutely people that use it all the time but are against it? For clout? To simply hate on something?
I’m so close to being able to retire on all this clout I’ve amassed by not using AI.
Last time I sullied my fingers with a copilot prompt, it decided lobster was vegan so I immediately scrapped that idea and went back to real intelligence. I would be 100.00% delighted if "AI" disappeared.
This is the 3rd of 4th time recently that I've heard someone, directly or indirectly, describe AI like meth. The first one was Hank Green when he said something along the lines of getting hooked on 'being able to get things done faster,' which is exactly how many people end up meth-heads.
cocAIne
That's also how I felt when I was first prescribed stimulants
God please make ai go poof maybe there'd be some tiny chance of me getting a job after college (probably not)
It won't go away. Yeah, the datacenter based stuff might, but local models will surely stay.
Honestly? Find a job outside the computer world
What's scary is that AI as a service is really expensive, and the AI companies have been selling tokens as a severe loss all this time.
If you're that dependent on AI, what happens when you have to bear the full price?
You're going to give up your AI girlfriend, is what.
This is really what has put me off AI, yes there are the ethical and environmental considerations and they worry me too but ultimately it's the price, and the knowledge that the price inevitably will increase.
I don't want to build all my workflows on a system that not only do I not really control I don't even have a fixed price for. That just seems like a really bad design.
I also dislike using Microsoft 365 for the exact same reason. I do not want to rest my business model on someone else's business model.
I'm not anti-AI, but I'm most definitely anti-corporate greed. I wish there was moderation in all of this. I wish there were regulations instead of letting companies blindly buy hardware before it's even made based on what they or their competitors might be doing 2 years from now. Fuck that.
With that said, yes, AI is a helpful tool, yes, I'm using it every day at work, and yes, I can do without it no problem - just like I have for many many years.
AI has been in development for a long time, I remember learning about neural networks when I was at school in the 90s, they weren't very sophisticated by all accounts but the research was there. What's happened lately is that scientists have been replaced by tech bros and all the research is now happening out in public, and it is on sale, rather than in the labs where it can be regulated by people who are not purely profit motivated.
The internet didn't vanish when the dot com bubble burst, all that happened was that businesses were more accurately assessed as to their market value. If anything, the internet was improved by the dot com bubble burst, does increase the number of actually practical ideas.
I suspect AI will be better once the AI bubble bursts, and the research goes back into labs and starts being done by ethical scientists again.
This is a very level headed take, thank you. Ai is so bad right now because of hype and overvaluation, not because the technology is inherently bad or good.
I like to think about the fact that most AI companies lose huge sums of money, and that it can't really be maintained. It'll naturally become an expensive tool after the "hype" dies down. It'll no longer be worth it to put it in everything, to message random shit to it etc.
Fair point, but the damage is done, the hardware market will take years to recover (if it ever does), not to mention the negative effect on the environment.
I dig trenches with a shovel. There is no USB port on my shovel. I thank the almighty gods for that small blessing.
But it’s the universal shoveling bus
I've never understood the appeal of the "smartified" appliances. My TV is more annoying than it used to be because it has smart features, it was actually more useful when it was dumb and simply played broadcast television or whatever was fed to it varian HDMI port, I don't need smart light switches asI can turn my own lights on it's not that difficult, I don't need a smart fridge either, not unless it's going to stock itself.
I can't think of a single piece of equipment that I use on a regular basis that would benefit from having internet connectivity added to it. I guess it would be nice if my wall clock updated when the hours changed due to daylight savings, but nothing other than that.
I did the job before without it so yeah.
Anti-ai influencers using ai to complete their videos.
people wouldnt just lie on the internet
It's a good accelerator for mundane tasks, and usually a good indicator that you could farm those tasks out to an intern.
You should give AI the same responsibility and trust that you give to a green intern because it will confidently fuck things up and requires an experienced eye to review anything it produces.
If AI went away tomorrow, we could probably take the cost and redistribute it to a graduate or two.
The fuck was this clown doing 5 years ago? 10? Begging for change until slightly more advanced chat bots could do his "job" for him? What the fuck?
These are things I already never use. Oh the horror
If it were banned, would it matter if you "willing" to give it up? Dumbass question.
And yes, I could do my job easily.
Yep. I could run one locally, it just wouldn't be as good and I don't see much benefit even with today's models.
My computer belongs to me.
The funny thing is that meth actually increases productivity in a way where YOU are actually doing the fucking work.
Unlike AI which not only does it for you so you begin to get rusty and lose your ability to be effective, but it gets all the work fucking wrong as well.
Essentially what I'm saying is that meth is a more effective workplace tool than AI. I'm sure a lot of psychopathic, shark tank type business people would agree with me.
I'm not trying to say meth is a good thing. I'm just saying it's legitimately a more useful tool than fucking AI.
Yes, because I don't rely on AI or even computers to do my work. The joys of printed manuals and life experience. Only computer I use at work is a shitty old iPad and order software which uses an incredibly dated interface that's never seen AI let alone a competent UX designer.
Yeh possibly a little early to pull that card, might make more sense for like "the internet" or something where it's had about 30 years to become an essential part of people's lives. Unlike a lot of the Lemmy audience who would clearly not be the type of people he's thinking of, I actually do make use of some of those tools so I should really be exactly one of the types he's thinking about but while I've developed that habit and would likely notice the absence of the tools for about a fortnight, it'd hardly make a massive difference.
Man the last thing i want to do is go through moon rune math on wikipedia or Stack Overflow when i need to solve a well defined problem in programming like the ye old days.
In Photoshop, do I lose access to content-aware fill or just generative fill? Which selection tools remain?
Content aware fill isn't considered AI, and came out in 2010
If content-aware fill launched today, I bet they'd call it AI. Algorithms were variably called AI in 2010, depending on what we were talking about. But Adobe marketed content-aware fill as "magic" more than anything.
Yeah it would probably choose the buzzword today, but the algorithms behind auto fill are a much simpler affair than LLMs
AI is just more social enslavement fuckery
Dont tgreaten me with a good time sir.
Dude can’t even think about all the people who don’t use AI for anything, much less work. On the other hand, not having to deal with AI spam, marketing, slop, fake news, rage bait, crap products, etc. would be great.
If I fart in the woods and nobody is there to hear it, will you ever recover from that?
Don't threaten me with a good time.
Aaaaaannnndddd, this unfortunately is that 1/3 of 1/3 viewpoint I have been talking about in other circles.
Wow!
I would be very sad if it went away. It can perform tasks that are otherwise impossible without the expense of incredible amounts of the most valuable of all resources: time.
Thankfully I have it setup locally, so it's not truly a potential outcome.
I’d just go back to doing my job the old way and know there are excel formulas out there AI taught me
The crazy thing about humans is: they can adapt.
But the statement above is giving me a stroke lmao
Dude forgot that its not something like computers or the internet. Jobs DONT depend on AI. AI is only used for assistance. Heck AI uses the same tools as humans to perform the same task so yeah no. If AI dissappear tomorrow (which a lot us will want to cuz RAM prices...nonsensical AI videos images etc), my job will be even more secured. No issues if AI goes away. Also, in some sensitive client projects, companies dont even allow the use of AI so it doesn't really matter
Which is prohibitively expensive because of the RAM prices. So AI is making it financially unviable to run AI models. Great what a wonderful feedback loop, can't see that ending badly.
AI is a great help for coding. Not a substitute. But in general, the way ai is applied to everything it’s just annoying. I don’t need it in my search, my shopping, my car or anything like that. A tool is a tool and should be used responsibly. I mean I don’t try to chop my vegetables with a chainsaw, just because the chainsaw looks cooler than my knife and in theory can also chop vegetables as well.
It is a good tool for coding. I could complain about data mining issues with non local stuff like claude... But what really bothers me is how some programmers dont even check its output. For work they get PAID to do. Im not even talking about not checking the code. They dont even check the product to see if it works or not. I have had 2 cases of this on freelance contracts so far.
That sucks.
There is no good use for LLMs and media generation as a whole, because none of the possible uses justify the costs of making these tools.
Expert programs (patern recognition, protein folding, speech generation) on the other hand, go right ahead.
Edit : and you defenitely can't write code with an expert programm...
I think those expert programs get labeled as ai anyway. Then the layman thinks they can just ask any llm "how do I cure cancer"
That's the reason why i always make sure to separate the two.
It can be an efficient tool to create a base for further work. If is have to choose between a programmer slaving away for weeks or months to build a solid framework, or an ai doing it in a few hours, I’d pick the ai, since it uses less resources. The programmer is better applied at working out the kinks and specifics.
I disagree but i have no changing of mind to give or to take.
Some pleeb trying to get comments and foot traffic to his post on what ever stoopid platform.. ignoring ai bs is the best way to remove from our environment
Will it quit you? Not trying to be an ah gotcha moment btw
Just one fix?
AI just info aggregator, nothing more
I'm not getting through any of my days currently so maybe that's the solution. I just need meth.
In my experience, LLMs have been very good at writing unit code. Definitely don't miss Stackoverflow. Besides this (and framing silly stuff), they aren't there yet. They will be at some point in the future with some interesting architectural progress, but I haven't personally experienced this future yet.
I’d go back to regular Googling and that’s all I’d miss. I very much want to do my job entirely by hand instead of spending my days trying to get AI to jump through the hoops and then having to fix everything when it can’t.
I think he doesn't understand "anti-ai"
rhetorical question: when you're anti-*, do you go out and do the thing you're against? Like if you're anti-smoking, do you go out and smoke a big fat vape? No, you do not. In other terminology, we call that hypocrisy.
I'd say the majority of people's reasons against AI isn't just about the environmental impact but the offloading of your cognitive and mental ability, why would someone be anti-ai and still use ai when it directly hinders the ability to cognitively think in the first place.
Anyways, the reason I'm pointing this out, is if you're anti-ai, the philosophy assumes you don't use LLM's in the first place. So when someone asks this (redundant) question of "can you work without chatgpt?" or "if chatgpt disappeared, would you still be able to get through the day?" I've already been doing it.
I can get through my day without using chatGPT. It's a tool for the briefest of my circumstances (mostly for tedious work), and I could do my day without using it and without hindering my performance.
Yes. Easily, like I always did.
That's millennial as fuck!
I've never used any of those things. I can write my own email just fine.
Honestly I don’t need ai, but time is money,
I can survive without ai, but a lot of things are time consuming
So yes, I rarely use ai, honestly ai kinda sucks
It’s time to heavily regulate ai
Regulate dez nutz I vote for RPG
Real talk. AI isn't the problem. AI is nothing but a tool. It's corporate greed that is the problem.
I use AI. It's a fantastic tool. My QA time is slashed in 1/2. Reports that I have to do weekly is done so quickly, it might as well be instant. What used to take my 6 hours. Instant. . Everything is more efficient.
But it doesn't replace humans. It just shifts the tasks. Instead of building reports and power points, I'm spending more time training my junior devs. It frees up my time to do other tasks is more important.
Not sure the nature of the QA you perform but as somebody who was forced to use AI QA for a bit in a ticketing system for support purposes, my 2 cents is: don’t.
I did the exercise for 2 months where I double checked all the stuff it spewed as summaries of actions, recommendations, wrap up info and applied codes vs stuff that was actually happening in the tickets, it was consistently inconsistent and while on the surface as a quick check it looks fine, the moment any scrutiny is applied it falls apart.
AI is just a tool and no tool is inherently bad per se.
but this one has been built fully unethically and it's causing so much harm in the world that said argument can't really be applied here (most) AI is bad.
100% agree. The best a lowly peon like me can do is to try and hire junior devs instead of replacing them. Managers like me have to incorporate it into the teams workflow. If I don't do it, I don't have a job.