US Cities Cancel 50+ Flock Surveillance Contracts Amid Public Backlash
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Here's the missing link to said Washington Examiner article:
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/policy/technology/4672621/flock-controversial-camera-contracts-canceled-23-states/
"washington examiner"
Oh, no thanks.
Yeah they’re given their contract to an other company
I am begging lemmy to learn how to take a win.
How to take a win:
Having a win doesn’t mean you’re done fighting forever. That is called winning the war.
Shitting on every win sure does a great job of discouraging future action, though.
https://archive.ph/o/Ar6lk/https://gizmodo.com/
This looks like an archived link to the front page of Gizmodo? I’m not sure what I’m supposed to be seeing here.
"Okay we won this battle but the war isn't over and the enemy is going to immediately react to this victory by attacking elsewhere."
"OMG CAN'T YOU JUST TAKE A WIN"
If you're done fighting then go sit down honey. But do it quietly please. There's a war on.
‘This is fake and you accomplished nothing’ is definitely a great way to get people to engage meaningfully and long term, I totally agree.
Characterizing it that way feels like you just want an excuse to stick your head in the sand and stop fighting. If you're fighting to feel good about winning, go join the other side and feel good about winning while losing as much as you like. But this literally is not a final real victory and should not be celebrated until we've actually won. You're being whiny and petty about serious shit. This discussion is over.
❌ “Yeah they’re given their contract to an other company” <- this is defeatist and invites doing nothing
✅ ‘This is great, we can build on this momentum and pursue the city council to make sure no other companies get a contract to do the same thing!’ <- recognizes the win, gives direction for more action
If you want to actually know what position I hold about something you can ask instead of making things up about what you assume I must think because I… disapprove of using an explicitly uplifting community to shit on a genuine accomplishment. Please get some perspective.
They literally said to treat this as winning one battle in a war but to keep fighting, and you tell them they want to stop fighting.
"Okay, we won this battle, wherein the enemy was utilizing XYZ part of the kit, openly and brazenly with the combined power of State and Private Company engaging in a free for all orgy over all of our interests at broad scale.
They are going to react to this by attacking elsewhere immediately. Their mission goals haven't changed and neither have ours. They will temporarily operate at a reduced capacity as they are moving to operating with ABC kit, which features 123 differing functions that we exploit via..."
Comrade, C'mon. This shit is already difficult enough without emulating the thought termination, dissonance, and disunity fostering traits that are part of the payload of kits XYZ and ABC.
Praxis and theory are not the items in discussion here. That is for academics. But the parallels are the same between strategy and tactics.
You mean traits like telling everyone "good job, take five" when they didn't do anything and we're all still in terrible danger?
How bout no.
I'm sure you read what I wrote, but I'm not sure you did anything with the sounds the words were meant to represent.
You do you.
I'd appreciate it if you make sure you're somehow recognizable when you make your move, so me and mine know whatever you're cooking comes with your same short-sighted rhetoric.
Don’t listen to this user. they also believe that Hasan Piker shocked his dog.
You idolized an abusive grifter. Get over it.
And you fell for propaganda. Wake up.
The absolutists here have trouble accepting positive things in this grey world at live in
There are a LOT of right-wing agents on reddit and lemmy both posing as leftists. Their goal is to get American leftists to demand perfection or nothing, resulting in them spending their efforts trying to get others to vote third party instead of voting Democratic, which is the only way to mitigate the damage being done right now.
We can vote for leftists in the primaries, but we have to vote Dem in the general election, even if the candidates aren't our first choice.
That’s not a win. It’s more like a shell game. We still lose.
Revolt against your government then we'll talk
Nobody on lemmy is ever going to know what actions I do or do not take outside of voting and legal protest, and anyone baiting you into posting more is a fed.
Then revolt against your government, we don't have to talk.
that's very easy to type
Then spread it
So, we've proved that we can put pressure on Flock. Now let's put pressure on this other company.
Axon is the one, me thinks they will try to hide it better this time.
Yeah, they will try. People will have to be more clever.
Exactly: https://www.404media.co/cities-are-ditching-flock-immediately-replacing-it-with-axon-license-plate-readers/
https://archive.ph/o/Ar6lk/https://gizmodo.com/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Archive.today_guidance
This is a win. Now, if your city did this: Set a calendar remainder (scheduled email, alarm, I don't care what) for in 2 months to check that your city doesn't return to Flock or one of their competitors. Demand real reduction of surveillance.
They don't have a national network yet at least
Great start! Make no mistake that they will use other surveillance companies or even return to flock if the controversy dies down.
If you're in one of these cities, schedule an email to your councilperson to send in a few weeks about it. Remind them we don't want any other surveillance on your streets. (Maybe a calendar reminder for you too, to check and see what nonsense they've gotten to.)
How can I get started making this an issue with my city council?
Step 1: build a guillotine.
Step 2: bring it to a town hall.
That might make me a bigger issue than I want to be right away 😂 but I love their enthusiasm!
https://www.yahoo.com/news/us/articles/cities-ditching-flock-safety-cameras-172924943.html
Gadget Review gets articles out at an impossible frequency and often simply recycles other sources. Yahoo News is a feed reader that only displays news from other websites (while obscuring source information that could be gleaned from URLs), whose identity it displays at the top of each article (in this case, Gadget Review).
You people are relentless, except on Democrats being your savior.
Whoops, just checked your profile, didn't realize that's what your account's purpose. My b, g.
Since I'm not sure what this means, I must have not be clear enough; apologies. Gadget Review's articles (one of which is your link) are very likely to be AI-generated.
Yes, I got you, please accept my apologies. I just picked a free version at random.
will people catch on to axon cameras like they do with flock? lets hope so.
The ongoing revolt against the machines. Here, in Florida:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hzH_S0D9Vc
Here we go with the Townflex shit again.
So, nearly 1% of flock contracts are cancelled.
If this is uplifting news you must be REALLY going through it
We are really going through it, and it is uplifting. There's more to be done but this is progress.
it has to drizzle before it rains
Momentum starts somewhere.
Oh man, there's been progress made. You must REALLY be going through it if progress is uplifting news.
1% is enough for shareholders to notice... Surely it's enough for us to notice.
I don't understand. Are you suggesting this is a simulation? Are you pissed that more progress isn't being made in this game we're playing? Like, I DON'T UNDERSTAND. I DO NOT. UNDERSTAND. YOUR COMMENT.
Name checks out