Got ban from a bunch of AI instances
The argument the mod writes is 👌
Update : there’s a new one that appears but, I’ve checked, that’s the same mod as the others
Update 2 : got contacted by the mod, overall sweet guy/gal we agree to disagree and keep the ban up, who said that Lemmy cannot be civil
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The computers in Star Trek are fictional. They work because the plot needs them too. They do not resemble a large language program because they don't resemble anything. You might as well say CSI: Miami's enhance image computer is AI.
The mod who typed that up might as well just declare from the rooftops, "I fell for a Silicon Valley marketing trick of describing software with a sci-fi tropes."
i'm a chat bot slop machine hater too ban me plz
Isn't "post-scarcity society" a big part of star trek too? Weird to claim you are a star trek fan while defending "scarcity generator 3000."
You claim to hate AI in real life but like AI in SciFi. Curious.
The ai in Star Trek is actually helpful and everyone is having their needs met thanks to technology eliminating scarcity. The AI in real life is useless and causing even more problems for everyone.
What? You like Star Trek, but don't want to live in the Star Trek universe?!?!
Not wanting to live in the Star Trek universe is honestly crazy it's basically Paradise compared to the real world, even billionaires would likely be better off in that universe from a fulfilment and happiness perspective
Billionaires will just become badmirals. The get off on being shit to other people.
Yoink!
Well, as long as you live in the imperial core. Every other episode is them visiting the kind of dirt farmers that would be jealous of current day Afghanistan.
No films or TV though.
What do you mean? Films and TV exist they're shown on Voyager it's one of Tom's obsessions. Technically I guess they aren't really making new ones but that's just because the entertainment moved over to the holodeck novels
Lol, they think the computers in star trek were just LLMs
Imagine if the computer on star trek operated the way it does in every episode where the computer is malfunctioning. That's how real-world "AI" works. You ask to go to the bridge and it keeps sending your ass to engineering and ten forward.
Also: They didn't even mention Data who is more AI than even the ship's computer!
Ironic that Data maintains he's not human but would never gaslight a teenager into suicide
After Tesseract and now this, it raises a question. Do people that call themselves conservatives have to always be contrarians?
Literally any topic. There were issues that one would think everyone would agree on and they still surprise you.
They seem contrarian because half their ideas are outdated by centuries and against the modern commom sense.
Sounds a bit circle-jerky, but anarchists and socialists are just arguing "We could fix racism and homelessnes easier my way." meanwhile conservatives in the back are going "Prove racism exists! Also high homelessnes rates are actually a good thing because..."
Conservative brains typically have larger amygdalas, which are responsible for anger and fear responses. So yes, their brains reward them when they get angry, so they seek more occasions to get angry.
They think that Fully Automated Capitalism is the same as Fully Automated Space Communism.
Computer, activate the Emergency Communist Hologram.
Luxury Gay Space Communism, get it right!
the true AI are usually the holograms, or a robotic race but it seems limited. but they are pretty much not as extensively integrated like the Andromeda series, the ship has an AI that is pretty integrated into all the ships systems(can appear as a hologram or as an android, or upload into multiple robots at once) and perform most of the task the crew requires.
Data and Lore? You forget them??? Fully sentient sapient beings that managed to secure in the court of law that they should be trialled as a Human because they have all the same faculties, just artificially created
Also Star Trek: Picard added a lot of people who were built by the same guy that built Data
How you're achieved this? I want to be banned there too really.
Serially downvoting AI slop, I’ve also ask in instance not strictly AI to dial down the AI slop… or you could ask the Mod
totally not a cult
At least Majel Barret
getdon’t make mistakesandor hack romulian as the computer🫡
Communities, not instances. Startrek.website is one instance, lemmy.today is another. An instance hosts communities. Also, no point censoring the names since the modlog is public.
The censoring is also kinda readable underneath anyway, so it accomplished nothing even if the modlog wasn't public.
It happens when you post here, you don't even have to interact with their community. Instead they come here, by their own volition, to be angry about us not liking AI and they then decide to ban every name they come across. This community existing is insult enough for them. Thankfully they self-isolate for the most part.
There’s at least two communities in there that I have interact with. I don’t think this mod is that petty. However there’s some « stable_Something » that ban me for being here. Meh 🤷♀️
are you saying people here may have been banned by communities without even knowing? fascinating :o I wouldn't even know how to check that
I was banned from a whole bunch of AI slop communities for 'persistent trolling' ... but I'd never posted to any of them, so ... yes. They ban you preemptively.
I got curious and just looked up my profile in the ban log and it seems I am banned as well in a handful of random (same mod in all of them I assume) dbozer communities without having posted in any of them, with the reason given being "Troll account" (no mention of AI).
So yup, just a power mad mod being cultish about their AI-slop, who probably just banned anybody who posts in here.
I mean.. That kind of sounds like they're doing a public service, TBH 😅
I’d agree but it’s pretty fucking gross to ban people that have never even visited your community.
I legitimately think anyone here would deserve a ban if they went over there and said shit. We clearly don’t belong but we’re here minding our own business.
Yeah, the preemptive nature of the ban shows some extreme fragility. It would be like the mods of this channel going to the slop celebration channels and banning anybody who posted there.
It reminds me of that old Reddit meme when people were banned from /r/Pyongyang
Yes, but its not a problem. Usually the mod just bans you from their personal AI dumping ground.
Oh nooooooo I'm banned from the septic tank I didn't want to see in the first place oh noooook
I found out that I was banned from a handful of communities. I was banned for 3 months or something, but didn't even see that I was banned until after about 6 months had passed. I guess it didn't impact me at all. The mods be trippin'.
No different from Reddit in that regard
If you’re using voyager go into « your profile » and the 3 dots in the right up corner
I don't use voyager beyond it being my favorite star trek series! 😁
Even if I say that I love AI and unquestioningly accept whatever today's horseshit is?
I have been banned from exactly one, and it was literally for dissenting opinions about AI.
good
Joke's on them, I hate Star Trek too.
Oh no, AI slop will be removed from your feed? However will you survive‽
lol I got similar treatment by those dipshits a few months ago
"stable_diffusion_furry"
My dude, you're in a subculture that basically revolves around human art and creativity. Get out of your ass.
bdzer0's claim to be anarchist yet wholly embracing AI is some cognitive dissonance that I cannot wrap my head around.
Genuinely my biggest gripe with their entire instance. How do they not realize that by using LLMs you rob yourself of the chance to gain new skills in art or coding?
Plus the fact that they are literally sucking up to techbro billionaire oligarchs pushing this nonsense by doing so.
I guess the techbro in them overrules the anarchist.
How does running a Chinese model locally on your computer suck up to techbro billionaire oligarchs?
Techbro oligarchs would love nothing more than for you to use AI because it ultimately turns your brain into soup from its sycophantic behaviour. Many cases of AI psychosis have appeared and a lot of stories of suicides spurred on by LLMs have come out.
The billionaires push LLMs on everyone because it'll turn you into political cattle. Locally run models won't help you because the problems don't come from the fact that other models are run on their private servers, it comes from the effects of prolonged AI usage.
I never trust taxi drivers who use an electronic map. Taxi drivers should know all of the streets by heart, and be able to accurately predict road congestion, like they did in the good old days. By using this evil navigation technology, their spatial awareness withers and it is just a shame.
I mean, it is true that if you don't use a GPS or an electronic map that you do develop a better awareness of your surroundings and the street mapping. Same way using a guide to something doesn't let you really remember and commit to memory the task you're doing.
It's just that AI exacerbates that tendency tenfold, because you don't even have to follow a guide if the guide does it for you.
knowing streets and predicting road congestion are not creative acts, that is they are not creating something
Wow, okay. I mean I was being sarcastic with my comment, but now I kinda regret it. Way to cheapen another profession's talents and trade.
nothing in your comment indicated sarcasm. unless you're brand new to the Internet you should know perfectly well that pure-text communication lacks the fidelity to indicate that. this is why so many times over the age of the internet people have tried to add in a way to communicate that either with "/s" or SaRcAsM/mOcKiNg CaSe, or italics sometimes, someone once even tried to make a sarcasm mark
I said nothing to cheapen taxi drivers or their profession. I respect and appreciate it a great deal, especially with examples of them unionizing. That doesn't change the fact that the profession does not create a thing. I find it disingenuous that you would suggest that not calling a profession creative would diminish it.
Garbagemen, for instance, is a profession that is very much worth respecting but also which does not create anything.
they oddlly crossbanned me from multiple comms i dont vist at all, thier reason was a vague"whatabotism" i couldnt find the actual offense, checked the modlogs. so i think they did it like some reddit subs did. i participate din a comm they dint like and just crossbanned me.
Me too - stable_diffusion_furry isn’t a comm I had ever heard of, let alone something I’m actually interested in as a topic lol
What a strange take. That's like saying you couldn't be trotskyist and embrace industry in 1919.
Risk management protocol 🤣
Beep Boop Ban
Lmao the one Europe one in the middle.
Man DBzer0 really sucks. That's the one place I've been mass banned from (although it is because there was a troll using my name, but they never even responded to an unban request), I should check if it applies to the ai dumping communities too.
same here, i checked the modlogs, and it was "troll whabaotism" but i found no original comment/post that triggered it. i think they just banned people who participated in a community they dint like.
You don’t need to redact your rap sheet, it’s public.
Ha right. Forgot about that. Didn’t want to bring too much heat to the instance
LCARS was a data access and retrieval system capable of doing calculations and simulations. It was not, I REPEAT, was not "artificial intelligence". It did not try to act or sound sentient, it simply responded to commands and ran programs.
TOS had the m5, which went rogue and started attacking and blowing up other starships, and lower decks had the Texas class, which went rogue and started attacking other starships
There is at least one instance where it was written as sapient in TNG. That was mostly for a joke, though. Specifically, there was a running gag in early TNG with Data getting a bit too into defining things and someone (usually Picard) would interrupt him with something along the lines of, "Thank you, Data, we get it." In one scene, Data is alone and only talking to the computer, which gives the line there.
Though it could create intelligence. "Computer, make an opponent that can be better than data". Ok, guess it's time to make a sentient hologram then.
But that could only be done if the method do so had been stored as a program in the databanks. In Voyager, when they try to replicate The Doctor; Harry writes a program and then tells the computer to run that program. When the hologram fails, he has to reprogram it and run again.
It's not like Star Trek is the most consistent over time.
In Voyager, they did tend to treat the Doctor with more care and show that it was a lot of hard work. By extension the other sentient holograms.
In TNG, they absolutely just casually upgraded a run of the mill holodeck NPC to a sentient being with a single supremely vague directive.
Yeah, probably because all of the computers had some guardrails built in due to the "Moriarty Incident".
These people understand Star Trek is fictional, often takes place on quasi-military vessels, and depicts a society that has some significant differences from our own, right?
A friend has compared generative AI to the electric monks from Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective agency.
I've found that the AI chatbots feel a lot like the Genunine People Peronalities from Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy.
You’ll have to spark my memories because I don’t remember those
From Dirk Gently
In the book, an alien ship crashed on earth, the crew asked an electric monk if their ship was repaired. The monk responded that it believed it was, the aliens tried to take off, and then the ship exploded because it wasn't actually repaired.
In Hitchhiker's Guide, Genuine People Personalities were AIs that tended to be obnoxiously cheerful, neurotic, or hyperactive. Doors with a GPP would sigh with pleasure when they opened and loudly ask if they did a good job if someone told them to open quietly, for example.
God ! Douglas Adams was fucking funny. What a shame he didn’t got to see our time
He had a unique way with words. I sometimes wonder how he'd feel about having essentially predicted how AI turned out.
Oh god yes. Now you understand the suicides
That is master-class trolling, that is!
But let's for a moment ignore that it is fictional. Star Trek's economical system is communism, I wonder if they also embrace it?
This isn't about AI - that's just an excuse.
What they really didn't want was a Tribble infestation, and well, given your username...you can see why they might want you to keep your distance...
They've had troubles with those before
Nonsense, they're hardly any tribble at all.
And yet Star Trek still had to have a human being repeat all what the A.I. was saying to make sure that it wasn't shite.
To the never-ending frustration of a succession of automation enthusiasts from Dr Daystrom on down.
Yeah, where is my ship computer anyway? The duotronic circuits, Holodeck Moriarty, an LCARS panel in the hallway and a pad in my readyroom? Why do I have to constantly refill the coffee beans, empty the collection container, do the descale program and the machine doesn't just provide me with "coffee, black" whenever I like? Feels like it's handing out even more quests to me than any Voyager storywriter could imagine. I'm also waiting for ages on tablets which can just flick over the app and data to my colleagues like in Stargate SG1.
Edit: Also dunno, I can't remember how in Star Trek, all the AI is done by big, nasty corporations. Gobbles up half the hardware so it becomes unaffordable to people and they build a big, dirty gas powered datacenter next to Picard's family's wineyard. And then Voyager's ship computer ceases to work the moment they drop out of wifi range?! Did I miss those episodes?
Everytime they try AI systems in trek it starts blowing up starships.
had a similar interaction with another mod. they weren't applying the rules unilaterally and temp banned me. I pointed out the hypocrisy/favoritism. they decided to lift the ban. I said, no, ban them too. we both broke the rules. they did it begrudgingly, so I blocked the community.
I refuse to interact with a community where mods begrudgingly apply the rules they're entrusted with upholding. If I break the rules, so be it. if we break the rules we all are punished, no exceptions.
Obviously I’m not enough of an AI hater cause I ain’t been banned from shit.
The computers in Star Trek didn’t (normally) hallucinate, so they’re definitely not LLMs.
Not unless they caught a space disease, or someone had some cheese, anyway.
Most people aren’t anti ai, but rather anti llm.
one of the true crimes in this whole saga is the obscuring of ai/llm, on top of convincing people llms think
It's like that thing where literally also means figuratively. You're right but don't expect anything to change because of it.
I'm pro-LLM and anti-AI.
Badge of fucking honor.
You must be doing something right lmao
Being banned from these cesspools should be a badge of honor.
Update 2 makes me smile.
Yeah pretty cool conclusion to all of this
Congrats! Every ban from ai bullshit is a badge of honor.
I don't remember “the computers” being AI. Holograms and androids? Sure. But for the computers be that level of AI would throw Trek into dystopia.
My AI is better than yours, it’s doing pottery
::: spoiler the Real thing Majel Barrett in Spectre (1977) :::
I thought she was at a pottery wheel and I was about to suggest we make another installment in the Ghost trilogy: this one’s called Phantom and the cover shows a sculptress sitting at the wheel with two ghosts behind her.
Congrats
Hopefully they are reading this thread, they can ban and block me too.
But would you have this great excuse ? Hope he will be as entertaining as mine
I'm not here to be entertained, or to entertain, I am here because I want something that isn't shit dipped in the usa and ai
This calls for one of those Spongebob diaper memes, with Landru, Moriarty, AGIMUS, the Borg, etc.
You're in welcome company.
You dared to point out factual issues with AI and its outsized effect on the world. Therefore, you must have AI Derangement Syndrome...
All you have to do is downvote a post and you'll be banned. I blocked the account months ago.
Wear it like a badge of honor?
Single-Board Computer [email protected], Retrofuture [email protected], Space [email protected] don't sound like AI comms to me?
Pretty sure they’re mod by the same guy/gal.
Powertripping
Can I be banned here if I would say something nice about ai (as tool not companies)?
Probably not, just shouted at for being a fucking idiot, by everyone here
you'd be doing so ironically, so probably not.
it's not like we're one of the "women only" communities that ban you as soon as you out yourself.
edit: I hurt someones feefees 😭. tell me, was what I said untrue?