Actually, looking at that list again, I see I've neglected upgrading on that computer for longer than I realised... chimaera as testing? *checks site*, yeah that's "Chimaera 4.0 has moved to oldoldstable status.". That's like 4 versions old. XD
It's pretty much the same thing as everywhere, you have a bunch of lovely people who package and test things, nothing too weird. What you are describing is LFS.
I was under the impression that you had to compile everything yourself on Gentoo and in Nix that you have to mess with a config to do everything and anything.
Maybe I should try them both to see what the fuzz is about.
Speaking about Gentoo, you don't "have to" compile everything, but let's just say it's strongly encouraged. Most of the compilation is automated though, think AUR on steroids. If you don't want to touch anything, you can go with defaults for all the software and you'll get basically what you get on any other distro.
The thing is, though, if you are not being a little funny with your software, why the hell are you running Gentoo? So, it's entirely optional, but it's the main reason one would use Gentoo, otherwise you get a stock standard system with stupidly long updates.
I can't speak for Nix, though, I haven't touched it myself, but from what I know from those around me running it, it's pretty much the same thing, unless you want something cool, you don't have to suffer.
Okey thank you so much for the information! I can see the appeal. More freedom and customization. I am all for it.
But for my use cases I think Arch is enough. It strikes a nice balance with official packages and the AUR and I love that you get to choose all of the packages you want to have installed.
That is very surprising, last I heard it had to catch up with having popular applications. Is this due to how package dependencies differ on Nix vs what people think of traditionally as packages?
The reason is more that the config language that you have to learn if you want to use NixOS is the exact same you use to package applications for NixOS.
So any user is also just a tiny, non-intimidating step away from being a contributor and package maintainer.
I know for myself, I never packaged for the AUR - just seemed way to intimidating and a lot of new stuff to figure out - but I maintain a bunch of packages and modules in nixpkgs, and they're all stuff that was "huh, this is cool but not packaged yet; alright, I'll package it in my private config; oh that was easy, let's upstream it".
There is another reply to this comment where I said I'm not using it. If you are interested in something specific why not just go type the package name into their repository search thingy?
She's just baffled that anyone who knows those two distributions could be so dense as to whittle down the vast infinite sea of possible options to just two incredibly boring ones. She would have cried next if he hadn't done it.
I know part of the joke is that it's not this comparison--that asking "arch or debian" also rules out Windows--but it really is the important dividing line.
That's actually what I've seen a lot! After a few years of tinkering with your system, the idea of something stable and polished is very appealing, so you can focus on getting things done.
Linus Torvalds is married to Tove Torvalds (née Monni), a six-time Finnish national karate champion, whom he met in late 1993. He was running introductory computer laboratory exercises for students and instructed the course attendees to send him an e-mail as a test, to which Tove responded with an e-mail asking for a date.
Fedora Linux[10] is a Linux distribution developed by the Fedora Project. It was originally developed in 2003 as a continuation of the Red Hat Linux project.
It looks like there were Linux distributions at the time, but they were very early:
Torvalds' "Boot-Root" images, from v0.95a onwards "Root" was maintained by Jim Winstead Jr., the aforementioned disk image pair with the kernel and the absolute minimal tools to get started (0.10: 4 November 1991)[12][13][14][15]
MCC Interim Linux (3 March 1992)[16]
TAMU Linux, based on MCC with simpler installation and X11 (14 July 1992)[17]
Softlanding Linux System (SLS) which included the X Window System and was the most comprehensive distribution for a short time (15 August 1992)[18]
H.J. Lu's "bootable rootdisks" (23 September 1992),[19][20] and "Linux Base System" (5 October 1992)[21][22]
Yggdrasil Linux/GNU/X, a commercial distribution (alpha: 8 December 1992)
The two oldest, still active distribution projects started in 1993. The SLS distribution was not well maintained, so in July 1993 a new SLS-based distribution, Slackware, was released by Patrick Volkerding.[23] Also dissatisfied with SLS, Ian Murdock set to create a free distribution by founding Debian in August 1993, with first public BETA released in January 1994 and first stable version in June 1996.[24][25]
I think that there are two possible takeaways from this:
Not clear what distro was used --- if any --- but if it was, it won't have been a presently existing one. It's possible that he was just rolling his own setup, not using a distro at all.
Linus's date with Tove derived from an email exchange. What ninja chicks look for in a guy is possibly an email client, not a Linux distribution at all. It sounds like Linus was probably using Pine at the time (though someone could go dig up mail headers from old emails to check).
Ubuntu Server LTS on my first-ever server. I'mma green rook at this. I'm amazed at how quickly and easily Casa was to get up and running on an old laptop.
I still got a long ways to go before I can try Debian for a server.
While I agree about the annoying Ubuntu parts, Ubuntu Server LTS does seem to ditch those annoying parts also. Besides, I'm running CasaOS over the top. So I haven't needed to deal with Ubuntu directly after setup. And hopefully, it stays that way until that old laptop dies.
There were still plenty of annoying parts left when I ditched Ubuntu Server as my default server OS for plain Debian. In fact, increasing annoyances was one of the reason I made the switch. This was around 2018 or so, during the 16.04 LTS to 18.04 LTS switch, and I haven't looked back. I'm quite happy with Debian 13 that's currently powering my VMs.
Fair game not wanting to change a running setup of course, but do yourself a favor and look into Debian the next time you're doing a new install of something.
Oh, I've run Debian a number of times over the years. I have 2 issues with it, I want newer software and I'm just not into going to the work needed to get the things I want running and still being easy to maintain. I've also spent years running Ubuntu off and on also.
Ubuntu Server with CasaOS was fast and easy to setup. Maybe 15 minutes to get he basic file server I want. And honestly, the first set of setup instructions for my repurposed laptop server that actually made sense as I read through them was for Ubuntu. So, Ubuntu it is - at least for now. Perhaps I might switch to Fedora at some point.
I want newer software and I’m just not into going to the work needed to get the things I want running and still being easy to maintain
I don't really get the "newer software" argument ... they just leapfrog each other every year or so, if you stick to LTS versions. For example, when Trixie came out it was more up-to-date than Noble Numbat (24.04 LTS), and then Resolute Racoon (26.04 LTS) leapfrogged Trixie again, and next year Forky will leapfrog Resolute Racoon.
Also, with Debian, if the stable release is getting a bit stale, you always have the option to start off with Debian Testing, and get something that's near bleeding edge up-to-date, and then follow testing until the next stable release and then stay on stable.
Ubuntu Server with CasaOS was fast and easy to setup. Maybe 15 minutes to get he basic file server I want
Never used CasaOS, but how would the setup process be any different on Debian? From an admin perspective, they're nearly identical ...
I had a quick glance at the CasaOS getting started page, and not only does Debian have official support but it's recommended over Ubuntu, and the installation instructions appear to be exactly the same.
To me it just sounds like you're a little bit stuck in your ways.
I've used Debian and I'm just not a fan. It's doubtful that will ever change.
To me it sounds like you just want to be right about what's "better". I never said I would run Ubuntu server forever. It's just where I started. It works and does all I need it to do right now. If I decide I need something different, I will find something different at that time. Until then, Ubuntu is working just fine.
Im still surprised that opensuse still exists. We had to give it a try for networking classes back in ~2007 and it was very server oriented and totally didnt have a desktop feel.
That was almost 20 years ago. It is nothing like that anymore I would say. Some things are still more complicated to configure but then, other things just work that don't work for example on my other system that runs pop-os, in general openSUSE is just as easy to install as any user friendly distro. And among the rolling release distros, openSUSE Tumbleweed is probably the most stable of them all.
opi is a great tool, even when just looking for applications in the regular repository. But then you can also very easily access the open build service with it as well.
This hurts because Debian is named after a couple (Debra Lynn and Ian Murdock) who got married and divorced and Ian passed away. Going with Debian is a lifetime of hurt.
On the other hand Arch girls are described in Rick James's song "Superfreak".
Arch. I'm still having nightmares from trying to install up to date versions of user-space software onto Debian in 2008-ish, usually leading to having to compile it from source, usually leading to having many compiler errors due to make and GCC being quite a few versions behind. All the help I got in those days through forums are links to WinXP ISO torrents, and telling me that to stop ruining their "hobby OS".
Something I've noticed is that, generally speaking, the fediverse doesn't seem to be very hateful. Rude, sure, but rarely badness for sufferings sake. Without the constant pressure to be hateful, it is hard for grudges to take hold. I think a big reason is that the demographics on here appear to lean older than most other social media. Again, speaking generally, individual user behavior and experience may vary.
Well, I've learned about a new distro today. Feels worthy of being added to the list of "want to fool around with but will probably never get around to."
Arch is good if you know what youre doing or need a hobby. Cachyos is great if you want arch but want to do things other than troubleshoot your own mistakes
I've gotta say, as a long time Apple hater, it is not bad these days, especially with their incredible hardware at the best value per dollar they've ever had. I use my Mac as much as possible at work when Windoes isn't absolutely required (I'm not allowed to use Linux)
Same here. Honestly, I think Apple has some of the best glass and graphical effects for devices. They make connectivity between devices super user friendly and fast.
I just wish MacOS wasn't a walled garden (I guess you call that linux then)
Yeah doing standard computer stuff is great, though the limitations start to hurt if it is a personal device. Some odd design decisions too like the Settings menu being unforgivably bad and unmaximizable for no reason, Finder being always open which messed with my OCD, a few other things. For hardware the prices for increased storage or RAM are highway robbery and can't be done yourself. Plus I'm pretty into open source and Linux is more customizable. That being said, Homebrew is pretty great these days, and Little Snitch or an open source equivalent does a good job of blocking telemetry so I could probably make it work if I had to.
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Both. desktop is arch based, server is Debian.
You slut, you!
Are you waiting for an invitation?
Oooh yeah, baby, let's debug the networking stack together!
Don't be silly,
chmod o-wyour$WILLY!Phew! For a split second I misred that as
chmod o+w.That's all it takes to be a distro slut!?
What the heck am I then?
And that's just one of my computers.
[... it's starting to make sense, thinking about one thing I made, I called wminizer]
I suggest a regimen of cold showers and coarse towels.
But like with glasses or something.
A container slut.
???
But... there are zero containers on any of my systems.
Actually, looking at that list again, I see I've neglected upgrading on that computer for longer than I realised... chimaera as testing? *checks site*, yeah that's "Chimaera 4.0 has moved to oldoldstable status.". That's like 4 versions old. XD
Yep. "Depends on the use case" is a solid answer.
🥵 yeah talk dirty to me.
I run apt upgrade before apt update.
My iptables INPUT chain default policy is set to ACCEPT.
This is the way! Everything is based on Arch, Debian or Fedora anyway so you might as well stick to what is well known and supported.
angry Gentoo and NixOS noises
From my understanding NixOS and Gentoo is "support it yourself". I haven't tried either of them so I could be completely wrong about that.
It's pretty much the same thing as everywhere, you have a bunch of lovely people who package and test things, nothing too weird. What you are describing is LFS.
I was under the impression that you had to compile everything yourself on Gentoo and in Nix that you have to mess with a config to do everything and anything.
Maybe I should try them both to see what the fuzz is about.
Speaking about Gentoo, you don't "have to" compile everything, but let's just say it's strongly encouraged. Most of the compilation is automated though, think AUR on steroids. If you don't want to touch anything, you can go with defaults for all the software and you'll get basically what you get on any other distro.
The thing is, though, if you are not being a little funny with your software, why the hell are you running Gentoo? So, it's entirely optional, but it's the main reason one would use Gentoo, otherwise you get a stock standard system with stupidly long updates.
I can't speak for Nix, though, I haven't touched it myself, but from what I know from those around me running it, it's pretty much the same thing, unless you want something cool, you don't have to suffer.
Okey thank you so much for the information! I can see the appeal. More freedom and customization. I am all for it.
But for my use cases I think Arch is enough. It strikes a nice balance with official packages and the AUR and I love that you get to choose all of the packages you want to have installed.
How is Nix with software support these days?
Nothing else even comes close, except the AUR, but even that not really:
https://repology.org/repositories/graphs
Interesting graphs.
Alas, the metric's a mite confounded by the different ways distros split up packages. So it skews e.g. the Debians up, and the voidlinuxen down.
... I'm guessing that still wouldn't be enough to put a dent in AUR and nixpkg 's towering package counts though.
That is very surprising, last I heard it had to catch up with having popular applications. Is this due to how package dependencies differ on Nix vs what people think of traditionally as packages?
Not really. (When was last time?)
The reason is more that the config language that you have to learn if you want to use NixOS is the exact same you use to package applications for NixOS.
So any user is also just a tiny, non-intimidating step away from being a contributor and package maintainer.
I know for myself, I never packaged for the AUR - just seemed way to intimidating and a lot of new stuff to figure out - but I maintain a bunch of packages and modules in nixpkgs, and they're all stuff that was "huh, this is cool but not packaged yet; alright, I'll package it in my private config; oh that was easy, let's upstream it".
Couldn't even tell you tbh.
Well that's pretty cool. I always liked the idea of being mega reproducible. I might try it on my home server instead of Debian.
There is another reply to this comment where I said I'm not using it. If you are interested in something specific why not just go type the package name into their repository search thingy?
https://search.nixos.org/packages
Slackware users in shambles!
uss babe uss
Reverse UNO
NixOS* but yes
"Debian or Arch?"
It's the best of both worlds
::: spoiler spoiler RPMs are better than DEBs :::
Yeah I get some good RPMs on my 2001 Honda Civic.
I'm fine with .ebuild and .xbps, thnx.
Elaborate.
Get out you corporate sellout!
My wife uses Debian, but I love her anyway. ❤️
Do you call her Debbie Anne?
Fun fact that not a lot of people seem to know: the name is a portmanteau of "Deborah" and "Ian". The names of the Creator and his then wife
Debbie Anne, Debbie Anne
Much to cool for Windows pain
Debbie Anne she's like one in a mill-
yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan
Deb Deb Deb, Deb Debbie Anne!
Debian in the kitchen and Arch in the bedroom
You only buy pre-made food?
That's where Gentoo belongs, or LFS if you don't like following recipes.
I buy ingredients, not seeds and animals.
Only buy traditional food with a best before date at least 3 years in the future.
In bedroom a new bed every other day with a lot of bed bugs.
don’t kink share
I would answer debian, but I want her to say arch.
I want my girlfriend to be smarter than me ok!?
Whenever I hear Debian, I always imagine a newb OS called Nubian and damn that'd slap as a name.
All text would be in Papyrus font.
You mean an African distro?
Why not-a? It-a worked for Nana Bou's African bistro-a!
click
She's just baffled that anyone who knows those two distributions could be so dense as to whittle down the vast infinite sea of possible options to just two incredibly boring ones. She would have cried next if he hadn't done it.
Also, OpenSUSE.
well the vast majority of those are just arch and debian with extra steps, with the occasional fedora based or independent distro
Yep. Should be "Windows or Linux?"
I know part of the joke is that it's not this comparison--that asking "arch or debian" also rules out Windows--but it really is the important dividing line.
"Hammer to penis or steak" is less interesting than "Steak or lobster"
Anyways the answer is Steak, and a different steak if its for a server, and lobster (derogatory) if its for an important server
I use the only correct option. TempleOS. /j
She's a Hannah Montana girl.
So... Debian then? Hannah Montana Linux has historically been a kubuntu reskin
There's a Hannah Montana Linux? Wild.
There was a while ago and then it was recently revived
https://hannahmontana.sourceforge.net/
https://gitlab.com/DecaCagle/hannahmontanalinux26
Notsureif.gif
There’s even a Justin Bieber Linux! JBL or gtfo
Truly these are glorious days.
"Arch or Debian?"
"TempleOS, you heathen!"
And then I pushed him over
And then he kissed meWhat happens when a zealot meets a more zealous zealot
"Zealot" is relative to where you currently are. Mint -> Debian -> Arch -> FreeBSD -> OpenBSD -> Plan 9 -> TempleOS
Then straight back to Mint! Full circle, bell curve meme style.
That's actually what I've seen a lot! After a few years of tinkering with your system, the idea of something stable and polished is very appealing, so you can focus on getting things done.
I run Arch on my personal machine and Debian on my server and honestly Debian gives me more issues.
It doesn't like zfs and Nvidia drivers are always a fight. Debian is still good though if all you want to run is a web server forever.
Hence why so many of us are gay for each other.
I’m all for touching as long as we don’t sudo
fuck. um, what if i sudo while you rm rf
Relevant lemmy post
I thought it was because we're all femboys and trans catgirls.
Nah I'm just a boring old homo
Linus would be out... He uses Fedora
He's also married.
Of course he is. No woman can resist a guy who uses Fedora
She went for him in late 1993:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linus_Torvalds
Fedora won't have been around.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fedora_Linux
It looks like there were Linux distributions at the time, but they were very early:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_distribution
I think that there are two possible takeaways from this:
Not clear what distro was used --- if any --- but if it was, it won't have been a presently existing one. It's possible that he was just rolling his own setup, not using a distro at all.
Linus's date with Tove derived from an email exchange. What ninja chicks look for in a guy is possibly an email client, not a Linux distribution at all. It sounds like Linus was probably using Pine at the time (though someone could go dig up mail headers from old emails to check).
M'linux
"Arch or Debian"
"Slackware"
"Marry me"
"Ubuntu."
"NEXT!!!"
Slack was my first nix exposure professionally, talk about the deep end
Her: it depends on who's asking and their usecase
Debian, of course. My computer is a tool, not a hobby.
Plus, I like apt. It's nice.
OS/2 Warp
SOLD!
God that was a glorious OS.
I was in sales around the time in between 2.1 and 4. Win 3 was the current and you could hardly multitask anything that wasn't idle.
I found out you could open a music video 9 times and tile it and it just worked (a little slow)
I was all wtf are we even selling Windows, this is amazing.
Then win95 hit, and it could do the same time.
Microsoft had us put out a table with win95, I ran that exact demo with the Edie Brickell video from the install CD and copies flew off the floor.
Funny thing, not like a single person there would ever do that, but that's all they needed to see
Fedora.
Both.
Debian for anything that has to run unattended for a long time without requiring much care. Arch for the desktop.
Ubuntu Server LTS on my first-ever server. I'mma green rook at this. I'm amazed at how quickly and easily Casa was to get up and running on an old laptop.
I still got a long ways to go before I can try Debian for a server.
Debian is just Ubuntu without all the annoying parts.
While I agree about the annoying Ubuntu parts, Ubuntu Server LTS does seem to ditch those annoying parts also. Besides, I'm running CasaOS over the top. So I haven't needed to deal with Ubuntu directly after setup. And hopefully, it stays that way until that old laptop dies.
There were still plenty of annoying parts left when I ditched Ubuntu Server as my default server OS for plain Debian. In fact, increasing annoyances was one of the reason I made the switch. This was around 2018 or so, during the 16.04 LTS to 18.04 LTS switch, and I haven't looked back. I'm quite happy with Debian 13 that's currently powering my VMs.
Fair game not wanting to change a running setup of course, but do yourself a favor and look into Debian the next time you're doing a new install of something.
Oh, I've run Debian a number of times over the years. I have 2 issues with it, I want newer software and I'm just not into going to the work needed to get the things I want running and still being easy to maintain. I've also spent years running Ubuntu off and on also.
Ubuntu Server with CasaOS was fast and easy to setup. Maybe 15 minutes to get he basic file server I want. And honestly, the first set of setup instructions for my repurposed laptop server that actually made sense as I read through them was for Ubuntu. So, Ubuntu it is - at least for now. Perhaps I might switch to Fedora at some point.
I don't really get the "newer software" argument ... they just leapfrog each other every year or so, if you stick to LTS versions. For example, when Trixie came out it was more up-to-date than Noble Numbat (24.04 LTS), and then Resolute Racoon (26.04 LTS) leapfrogged Trixie again, and next year Forky will leapfrog Resolute Racoon.
Also, with Debian, if the stable release is getting a bit stale, you always have the option to start off with Debian Testing, and get something that's near bleeding edge up-to-date, and then follow testing until the next stable release and then stay on stable.
Never used CasaOS, but how would the setup process be any different on Debian? From an admin perspective, they're nearly identical ...
I had a quick glance at the CasaOS getting started page, and not only does Debian have official support but it's recommended over Ubuntu, and the installation instructions appear to be exactly the same.
To me it just sounds like you're a little bit stuck in your ways.
I've used Debian and I'm just not a fan. It's doubtful that will ever change.
To me it sounds like you just want to be right about what's "better". I never said I would run Ubuntu server forever. It's just where I started. It works and does all I need it to do right now. If I decide I need something different, I will find something different at that time. Until then, Ubuntu is working just fine.
Manjaro.
Why? I really enjoyed Mankato while slowly breaking it (Arch is just not for people like me)
She uses Gentoo.
Still pass. S&M just isn't my thing.
Luckily the USE flags narrowly define consent.
Plus, 6 months before ready to orgasm.
openSUSE.
Im still surprised that opensuse still exists. We had to give it a try for networking classes back in ~2007 and it was very server oriented and totally didnt have a desktop feel.
That was almost 20 years ago. It is nothing like that anymore I would say. Some things are still more complicated to configure but then, other things just work that don't work for example on my other system that runs pop-os, in general openSUSE is just as easy to install as any user friendly distro. And among the rolling release distros, openSUSE Tumbleweed is probably the most stable of them all.
opi is a great tool, even when just looking for applications in the regular repository. But then you can also very easily access the open build service with it as well.
Debian for work, arch for home
Debian in the streets, arch in the sheets.
This hurts because Debian is named after a couple (Debra Lynn and Ian Murdock) who got married and divorced and Ian passed away. Going with Debian is a lifetime of hurt.
On the other hand Arch girls are described in Rick James's song "Superfreak".
and yet... their names are immortalized... it wouldnt surprise me if debian is still around in 50 years
NixOS or gtfo!
All hail the church of Nix 🙏
The NixOS user in this scenario would be asking who is sponsoring the date.
Sponsoring?
Guix or rtfm!
She’s clearly a LFS person
ubuntu because my brain is so small
the name comes from the Bantu word "ubuntu" which loosely translated means, "debian is too hard"
Gentoo
is that like google??
Yes! ChromeOS is gentoo-based.
oh shizz
really? i was just kidding. aah ITS EVERYWHERE
Arch. I'm still having nightmares from trying to install up to date versions of user-space software onto Debian in 2008-ish, usually leading to having to compile it from source, usually leading to having many compiler errors due to make and GCC being quite a few versions behind. All the help I got in those days through forums are links to WinXP ISO torrents, and telling me that to stop ruining their "hobby OS".
por qué no los dos?
“I run DOS”
Me: "Numbers or mechanics?"
Is this like asking if looking for a fling or a long term relationship?
Plan 9
Qubes
Ubuntu on the desktop and Debian on the server. Just crucify me already
I’m noticing Lemmy is becoming slightly less hateful towards Ubuntu lately.
Something I've noticed is that, generally speaking, the fediverse doesn't seem to be very hateful. Rude, sure, but rarely badness for sufferings sake. Without the constant pressure to be hateful, it is hard for grudges to take hold. I think a big reason is that the demographics on here appear to lean older than most other social media. Again, speaking generally, individual user behavior and experience may vary.
Meeeh, date a guy.
She best answer Kinonite. Easy effort, and it's as fresh as we need. Leaving plenty of time to make sweet, sweet love. (cue Barry White soundtrack)
I kind of feel like this comic was best with just the first two panels
Oh, no, often I agree with this kind of thing but in this case I really think the third panel adds something.
Or even just the first panel.
Debian.
Depends on the use case.
Debian for stability, arch for the memes, !#++ for the minimalism(still Debian but will make themselves into whatever you want)
Well, I've learned about a new distro today. Feels worthy of being added to the list of "want to fool around with but will probably never get around to."
It's a great one if you have like a netbook or other light resource device. Or like to heavy modify the layout aka ricing
Yup! Fedora for everything, and everything else for the lolz.
Arch! Specifically cachyos. I loved it when I used it.
Arch is good if you know what youre doing or need a hobby. Cachyos is great if you want arch but want to do things other than troubleshoot your own mistakes
I loved it... but I stopped?
I mean I don't have that laptop or pc anymore. So yeah.
Maybe they stopped needing a PC
Debian for the stable base flatpak/snap/src for the bleeding edge apps.
extra steps
she grew up with a BeBox
😍 Hey baby, wanna go back to your place and show me your blinkenlights?
Devuan.
FTFY
Arch or Debian?
answers question with question
Speed or reliability?
Impotent or idempotent ?
MacOS of course /s
I've gotta say, as a long time Apple hater, it is not bad these days, especially with their incredible hardware at the best value per dollar they've ever had. I use my Mac as much as possible at work when Windoes isn't absolutely required (I'm not allowed to use Linux)
Same here. Honestly, I think Apple has some of the best glass and graphical effects for devices. They make connectivity between devices super user friendly and fast.
I just wish MacOS wasn't a walled garden (I guess you call that linux then)
Yeah doing standard computer stuff is great, though the limitations start to hurt if it is a personal device. Some odd design decisions too like the Settings menu being unforgivably bad and unmaximizable for no reason, Finder being always open which messed with my OCD, a few other things. For hardware the prices for increased storage or RAM are highway robbery and can't be done yourself. Plus I'm pretty into open source and Linux is more customizable. That being said, Homebrew is pretty great these days, and Little Snitch or an open source equivalent does a good job of blocking telemetry so I could probably make it work if I had to.
Debian