Al those Linux geeks with their tails between their legs as they go back to the secure windows environment. Whose smug now guys? Hope your Linux subscription has a refund policy.
The border between Finland and Russia is 1,340km long. This has helped them become best of friends. They especially like to cuddle for warmth in the winter.
Keep in mind if you transition to Windows you will need to relearn a few things! Lots of your software might have issues and I sure hope you have Nvidia because AMD is straight to broken with all their open source code. Yuck!
Windows is just better (I use Windows 11 PRO BTW) because you get lots of background processes and there's even a copilot that's right about stuff sometimes. Microsoft even keeps a backup of lots of your data up in something called a Cloud, which I assume is good because clouds are up there in the sky like heaven!
My friend tried to install Windows after trying Linux for a year and he couldn't find a driver for his hard drive. I also warned him that he may end up playing League again and divorcing his wife.
I've been looking at switching to Windows, but it's always the horrible gaming experience that holds me back.
For starters, compatibility is complete ass. Windows doesn't let you choose the compatibility tools and forces you to run every game (every application for that matter) in the systemwide environment. It also only has a single wineprefix-equivalent that just dumps everything in your home directory folder (please don't crucify me). If a game requires a different Wine version, you can try to set that half-assed compatibility mode thing on the executable, but I'm convinced it's only there as decoration. If it doesn't work, you're kinda fucked.
Windows also lacks the minimal set of utilities that I expect from a system that can run games. There is no Bubblewrap and you can't sandbox your games without using a VM. There is no gamescope, nor any way to run an application inside a nested graphical session. If an older game can only do exclusive fullscreen, you can't switch to a less intrusive (windowed/borderless) mode. If a game does have borderless or windowed mode, but doesn't support your native resolution, you're playing in a tiny window or not at all.
Windows 11 seems really neat, but it's not ready for general adoption. There are just too many missing features.
From a programmers and workflow perspective windows is complete garbage. It does not allow me to change my WM. Im stuck with the default behaviour without the ability for full customisation like Hyprland or Sway have. Installing Programms is deeply unintuitive. Have to search for a Programm, download it from a sketchy looking button and run an installer. Software providers often enough don't even provide sha256 sums. How can I be sure, that I downloaded the correct executable? Even if a hash is provided, most people won't bother to check it. These are elementary flaws that hinder widespread windows adoption.
There is literally such a lemmy community, but it is not much of an actual community of people over there. From what I've read it is more or less one person who bans anyone who challenge their critique.
Some years ago I think windows source was available to be studied in some universities? No sure how true that is and if any recent version is available. Sure would be fun if the slopmachine just ingested all of it...
The source code for windows has always been fairly widely available among industrial actors (provided suitable NDAs were signed). So, nothing exceptional there.
The potential for copyright infringement (or at least the appearance of copyright infringement) would be too high. Better to keep a "clean room" approach in the wine project to avoid attracting Microsoft's ire.
WINE is a compatibility layer (famously, WINE Is Not an Emulator) for Windows APIs on posix OSes; most notably this allows you to run Windows applications on Linux.
Microsoft would truly love to beat WINE to death with a legal sledgehammer but so far they do not have the legal ground, as WINE is developed based on public knowledge and Microsoft famously keeps their source code closed.
If you saw the Windows source code, and then you contributed to WINE, it is possible
Microsoft could make the legal argument that WINE was using stolen trade secrets, even if the verbatim source code was added to the WINE codebase.
Whether or not that would have worked for Microsoft is up in the air; but the WINE project didn’t want to find out the hard way.
It has already been leaked a million times because they sell the source code to governments and anyone (well, at least up to Windows 2000 which was the last decent version).
If it’s because you’re worried and not because you have proprietary software you need that’s keeping you tied to it, Mint was super duper easy for me to install (I’ve never installed Linux before) and it’s been essentially out of the box compatible with the games I play since most are already optimized for the Steam Deck.
If it’s the software thing, sorry man, my spouse is in the same boat.
Seconded. I started with PopOS but wasn't sold on it, so quickly switched to Mint and it was perfect. Once my wife test drove on my installation, she gave it a shot on her laptop, and now she gets frustrated when she's forced to use Windows for her college test proctoring spyware she has to use.
Here's a link for anybody curious to get started. I like Cinnamon. Just download the OS and flash it to a flash drive, boot into BIOS, select the flash drive to boot from, and you're testing a live version of the OS. If you like it, you can install through pretty easy install wizards. It doesn't pester you to buy shit like Windows does. And there's a safe and easy app store for most of what you'll care about, and it just works. It gets the fuck out of your way. And if you have issues, just google it and you'll probably find somebody already figured out the solution and shared it with plebs like us.
This is the way. I always recommend people to get their feet wet with the live boot. I've been using Linux for almost 3 decades. Live boot is the easiest way to find out what will work for you. I'm not a Mint user, but it's great for the people who like it; best part about FOSS.
There's a fair few projects working towards getting windows software to work in Linux beyond wine. WinBoat and bottles to name the two I use frequently. I set-up WinBoat for my wife because office360. Took a little bit of fiddling with settings for WinBoat to run nicely on her 2017 MacBook air with a Ubuntu derivative OS...but it works as it would on windows....so poorly.
FL Studio was the reason it took me so long to ditch windows. Try bottles. Don't bother with the automatic configuration, just install it in a default gaming setup. Very minor tweaks got it working better than in win11 on my laptop.
Worst comes worse, one could install a VM with Windows. And for the edge cases where neither VMs or compatibility layers suffice, the user can install Windows on a different physical drive and plug it in just when needed.
It's judt about time, I need more storage devices to transition... I need to setup windows alongside it too... Generally a mess. And yea I want to go with Green Ubuntu lol
I convinced my spouse to give it a try on our family laptop. I installed Mint and she never complained. Granted, if there is something more involved that needs installing or fixing she relies on me but I think this isn't so different if it were Windows. She seems happy using it all these years on a device that otherwise would have to be written of as scrap due to Microsoft shenanigans with 10/11 compatibilities, but the machine works as if brand new. Also our kid grew up using it. He knows basic usage and I glee in the fact he has never used Windows so far in his live.
Gut feeling, but I think the panic would last 2 days. Then issues would be found and unofficial patches would be made faster than fire spreads in dry folliage.
Wasn't there a long time ago a genuine bug report in Mozilla's bug tracker reporting that the source code was publicly available and this was insecure? I can't quickly find it because I can't think of good search terms…
Not gonna lie: I really like both. I like variety in my life.
I also really like fedora on my old iMac. It makes for an excellent Plex server.
But macOS is getting much less impressive with every iteration, and as cool as Apple Silicon is, I’m less and less attracted to it because of its narrowing support for software.
But Apple has a new CEO now, and I’m interested to see what direction he’s gonna take the company.
I'd love to have Mac hardware with different Linux options (with mature power management). But I guess before that will happen, other CPU manufacturers might catch up. Fine by me as well.
If expensiveBSD laptops had reasonably easily replaceable batteries I’d love to get an old one for Debian. But they don’t so I use old Thinkpads when I want a laptop.
When are patches coming from upstream? When will they be in package repos? Ilm assuming the major distros like Hannah Montanna Linux will have them out first? I have so many servers to patch. Is windows just like the next version of Xwindows?
Thanks for the heads up! Be aware though, if you're considering transition to Windows, that parts of the original code of Microsoft Windows too has been leaked by a nefarious actor: https://www.gatesnotes.com/microsoft-original-source-code
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I bet someone from /linuxsucks (banned me, yay) genuinely believes every word
r/linuxsucks101 is the real deal, r/linuxsucks is kind of an ironic sub currently
Oh fuck. The linux stock is going down!!
They'll have to fire the Linux CEO over this just like they fired the Antifa CEO
Al those Linux geeks with their tails between their legs as they go back to the secure windows environment. Whose smug now guys? Hope your Linux subscription has a refund policy.
The criminal
Traitor, put him next to Snowden 😡
Well, he is in Finland, which is as much as "next" to Russia as you're going to get.
He lives in the US actually.
The border between Finland and Russia is 1,340km long. This has helped them become best of friends. They especially like to cuddle for warmth in the winter.
Oh fucksoh shit fuck fuck shit shit I'm so screwed by this!!1!! 😂🤣.
Keep in mind if you transition to Windows you will need to relearn a few things! Lots of your software might have issues and I sure hope you have Nvidia because AMD is straight to broken with all their open source code. Yuck!
Windows is just better (I use Windows 11 PRO BTW) because you get lots of background processes and there's even a copilot that's right about stuff sometimes. Microsoft even keeps a backup of lots of your data up in something called a Cloud, which I assume is good because clouds are up there in the sky like heaven!
I sure hope 2026 is the year of the Windows PC!
(/s cause writing this joke hurt my soul)
My friend tried to install Windows after trying Linux for a year and he couldn't find a driver for his hard drive. I also warned him that he may end up playing League again and divorcing his wife.
I've been looking at switching to Windows, but it's always the horrible gaming experience that holds me back.
For starters, compatibility is complete ass. Windows doesn't let you choose the compatibility tools and forces you to run every game (every application for that matter) in the systemwide environment. It also only has a single wineprefix-equivalent that just dumps everything in your home
directoryfolder (please don't crucify me). If a game requires a different Wine version, you can try to set that half-assed compatibility mode thing on the executable, but I'm convinced it's only there as decoration. If it doesn't work, you're kinda fucked.Windows also lacks the minimal set of utilities that I expect from a system that can run games. There is no Bubblewrap and you can't sandbox your games without using a VM. There is no gamescope, nor any way to run an application inside a nested graphical session. If an older game can only do exclusive fullscreen, you can't switch to a less intrusive (windowed/borderless) mode. If a game does have borderless or windowed mode, but doesn't support your native resolution, you're playing in a tiny window or not at all.
Windows 11 seems really neat, but it's not ready for general adoption. There are just too many missing features.
From a programmers and workflow perspective windows is complete garbage. It does not allow me to change my WM. Im stuck with the default behaviour without the ability for full customisation like Hyprland or Sway have. Installing Programms is deeply unintuitive. Have to search for a Programm, download it from a sketchy looking button and run an installer. Software providers often enough don't even provide sha256 sums. How can I be sure, that I downloaded the correct executable? Even if a hash is provided, most people won't bother to check it. These are elementary flaws that hinder widespread windows adoption.
My friend, that was a true effort to channel the spirit of pure evil. I hope you're OK. Do you need some tea?
Get well soon, friend 💐
I'm very surprised some moron didn't take you seriously and downvote that comment, even with the caveat. This is Lemmy, after all.
Ill be honest. Reading it all the way through was a challenge in critical cringe management even being certain it was a joke.
You got a cackle out of me. Thank you for that lol
Shit, the linuxsucks community is gonna go wild over this!
Isn't that whole "community" mostly just one clearly unwell person?
Oh, I'm never really paying enough attention to not have realized it wasn't satirical
There are dozens of us!
There is such a thing?!
There is literally such a lemmy community, but it is not much of an actual community of people over there. From what I've read it is more or less one person who bans anyone who challenge their critique.
It would genuinely cause worldwide panic if the Windows source code leaked, and that brings joy to me
... until I realize I still have Windows because I still haven't moved to linux
Do it now. We love you and want you to join with us.
Some years ago I think windows source was available to be studied in some universities? No sure how true that is and if any recent version is available. Sure would be fun if the slopmachine just ingested all of it...
I think it was that the XP source was leaked. There was a huge deal because those who saw it were highly discouraged from contributing to wine.
The source code for windows has always been fairly widely available among industrial actors (provided suitable NDAs were signed). So, nothing exceptional there.
Can you expand on that a little?
The potential for copyright infringement (or at least the appearance of copyright infringement) would be too high. Better to keep a "clean room" approach in the wine project to avoid attracting Microsoft's ire.
Ah, that definitely makes sense. Thanks!
WINE is a compatibility layer (famously, WINE Is Not an Emulator) for Windows APIs on posix OSes; most notably this allows you to run Windows applications on Linux.
Microsoft would truly love to beat WINE to death with a legal sledgehammer but so far they do not have the legal ground, as WINE is developed based on public knowledge and Microsoft famously keeps their source code closed.
If you saw the Windows source code, and then you contributed to WINE, it is possible Microsoft could make the legal argument that WINE was using stolen trade secrets, even if the verbatim source code was added to the WINE codebase.
Whether or not that would have worked for Microsoft is up in the air; but the WINE project didn’t want to find out the hard way.
Gotcha. Thank you.
It has already been leaked a million times because they sell the source code to governments and anyone (well, at least up to Windows 2000 which was the last decent version).
Someone I used to know claimed to have Windows 11 source.
I remember trying to build Windows XP on its leaked source code, so I'm sure it exists to that point.
Ah, the days when it was still known as Windows Whistler, until someone leaked how it looked and everyone started calling it Teletubby Windows instead
Never heard it being called that, but this is brilliant.
https://eu3-browse.startpage.com/av/anon-image?piurl=https%3A%2F%2Fpicfiles.alphacoders.com%2F476%2Fthumb-1920-476655.jpg&sp=1785091654Ta440ef1fa8d1a665fce87bd761b9d06d82c583f4a7f779b2e5bc346dca1239c8
If it’s because you’re worried and not because you have proprietary software you need that’s keeping you tied to it, Mint was super duper easy for me to install (I’ve never installed Linux before) and it’s been essentially out of the box compatible with the games I play since most are already optimized for the Steam Deck.
If it’s the software thing, sorry man, my spouse is in the same boat.
Seconded. I started with PopOS but wasn't sold on it, so quickly switched to Mint and it was perfect. Once my wife test drove on my installation, she gave it a shot on her laptop, and now she gets frustrated when she's forced to use Windows for her college test proctoring spyware she has to use.
Here's a link for anybody curious to get started. I like Cinnamon. Just download the OS and flash it to a flash drive, boot into BIOS, select the flash drive to boot from, and you're testing a live version of the OS. If you like it, you can install through pretty easy install wizards. It doesn't pester you to buy shit like Windows does. And there's a safe and easy app store for most of what you'll care about, and it just works. It gets the fuck out of your way. And if you have issues, just google it and you'll probably find somebody already figured out the solution and shared it with plebs like us.
This is the way. I always recommend people to get their feet wet with the live boot. I've been using Linux for almost 3 decades. Live boot is the easiest way to find out what will work for you. I'm not a Mint user, but it's great for the people who like it; best part about FOSS.
There's a fair few projects working towards getting windows software to work in Linux beyond wine. WinBoat and bottles to name the two I use frequently. I set-up WinBoat for my wife because office360. Took a little bit of fiddling with settings for WinBoat to run nicely on her 2017 MacBook air with a Ubuntu derivative OS...but it works as it would on windows....so poorly.
I set up WinBoat for FL Studio and it's close enough to be functional.
FL Studio was the reason it took me so long to ditch windows. Try bottles. Don't bother with the automatic configuration, just install it in a default gaming setup. Very minor tweaks got it working better than in win11 on my laptop.
Worst comes worse, one could install a VM with Windows. And for the edge cases where neither VMs or compatibility layers suffice, the user can install Windows on a different physical drive and plug it in just when needed.
WinBoat is essentially a VM, but it runs in the background and you can add installed programs to your hotbar/start bar/desktop. So that's neat.
It's judt about time, I need more storage devices to transition... I need to setup windows alongside it too... Generally a mess. And yea I want to go with Green Ubuntu lol
I convinced my spouse to give it a try on our family laptop. I installed Mint and she never complained. Granted, if there is something more involved that needs installing or fixing she relies on me but I think this isn't so different if it were Windows. She seems happy using it all these years on a device that otherwise would have to be written of as scrap due to Microsoft shenanigans with 10/11 compatibilities, but the machine works as if brand new. Also our kid grew up using it. He knows basic usage and I glee in the fact he has never used Windows so far in his live.
I think that has happened before, though?
The entirety of Windows XP was leaked and people even managed to build it from source. This was after XP being EOL though.
I think Windows server 2003 source code was leaked before
The question is, what is stopping you?
Gut feeling, but I think the panic would last 2 days. Then issues would be found and unofficial patches would be made faster than fire spreads in dry folliage.
It's not April 1...
Wasn't there a long time ago a genuine bug report in Mozilla's bug tracker reporting that the source code was publicly available and this was insecure? I can't quickly find it because I can't think of good search terms…
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=949446
Name makes it hard to search, yeah. :V
That's the one, thanks. I thought this happened much earlier than 2013 for some reason.
It feels like a century has passed since then. Probably because of the Nazis flooding the field.
That sounds very Mozilla.
Actually, it'd be more Mozilla if it happened again next month.
Is FreeBSD safe to use?
Yes but you risk becoming insufferable in casual conversation
It’s alright, we’re already Linux users, we’re used to it.
Yes but you will be insufferable even to us linux users
Not as insufferable as those who use ExpensiveBSD (aka macOS)
I really appreciate ExpensiveBSD's hardware. the software though... oh my. ZSH
Not gonna lie: I really like both. I like variety in my life.
I also really like fedora on my old iMac. It makes for an excellent Plex server.
But macOS is getting much less impressive with every iteration, and as cool as Apple Silicon is, I’m less and less attracted to it because of its narrowing support for software.
But Apple has a new CEO now, and I’m interested to see what direction he’s gonna take the company.
I'd love to have Mac hardware with different Linux options (with mature power management). But I guess before that will happen, other CPU manufacturers might catch up. Fine by me as well.
The Asahi Linux Project has made a great deal of progress on that front. They’ve got it running on up to the M2, with the M3 in development.
Yeah, but I got an M4 😭
If expensiveBSD laptops had reasonably easily replaceable batteries I’d love to get an old one for Debian. But they don’t so I use old Thinkpads when I want a laptop.
They were easy to replace when the hardware was meh 🙄
But I really want to check out framework.
systemd users hate this one trick!
Don't worry, us Arch users have that covered.
Amateur glares in NixOS
Even FreeBSD is too well known. Gotta go with Plan 9 from Bell Labs to be obscure enough for security.
Still too well-known. Better go with OpenVMS if security is your goal (unironically on this point, but it is a pain to use).
If you want obscure, you can always go with A/UX running on an bunch of Apple Quadra 700s. If it can run Jurassic Park, it’s good enough for me!
If you want to go most obscure, write your own OS in assembly.
Nah, I'll just use Menuet or Kolibri. That's too much work.
Nooooo!!
When are patches coming from upstream? When will they be in package repos? Ilm assuming the major distros like Hannah Montanna Linux will have them out first? I have so many servers to patch. Is windows just like the next version of Xwindows?
In my head cannon, Hannah Montana Linux is the upstream source of all Linux repos.
Madthumbs be like
Funny; that's exactly who I was thinking about in my other reply here...
Had the same thought
On a serious note, 250k stars for the linux kernel is kinda too few github stars
Lol "paid sponsorship"
Thanks for the heads up! Be aware though, if you're considering transition to Windows, that parts of the original code of Microsoft Windows too has been leaked by a nefarious actor: https://www.gatesnotes.com/microsoft-original-source-code
chat are we cooked?
I was randomly thinking about posting this meme 14 hours ago before going to sleep.