This will happen for us as well in Canada, we have a bunch of plebs in Alberta wanting to separate. They have no idea or are blind to the perils that will be unleashed.
They are selfish twats that need to be ostracized and some harsh realities befal them in order to quash this foolishness.
How any canadian can look at america and say "yeah that grass looks a lot greener" is beyond me. Meanwhile I'm expecting canada to build a wall to keep us american refugees out.
It's because attention is for sell and nobody talks to each other anymore so it's really easy for billionaires to buy the political opinions they want.
Right? There is zero meaning to the middle bit. It's actually wrong because the undecided bit isn't included (some has to go and come from that). Same for young people not dying but I guess that's different.
the margin between leave and remain being a bit higher among voters who have since died than it was during the referendum a decade ago isn't really surprising at all, it just reflects the fact that leave voters skewed older.
also "excluding don't know" for both sides of the graph makes no sense; there should be a "didn't vote" category on the left and a "not sure" category on the right.
We're going to see some very interesting consequences to puritanical narratives like this in about ten more years. "The only way a small percentage of young people would come to adopt conservative politics is that there is a moral crisis in society which has corrupted them into being incapable of thought."
Of course, you remain uneffected by this crisis and have not succumbed to conservative reasoning.
I'd really like to hear a valid argument from those who were too young to vote during the referendum and now want to stay out. I'd also like to ask them if they believe the Scots and Northern-Irish are free to leave the UK if they wanted to. Not that i expect i'll hear something new when i ask them, I just really want to see if there is someone in that group that actually believes the things they'd say.
They probably lack the capacity for that kind of introspection to develop a position. They just repeat what other people tell them and then believe it because there's a sort of logic to it. Testing something for veracity once it's past the coherence test is beyond a lot of people. Lots don't even make it that far. Conservatives have an entirely different system for evaluating things, it starts and ends with what the man says it is.
Testing something for veracity once it's past the coherence test is beyond a lot of people.
Ain't that the truth. Until we can educate ourselves out of this, we are completely fucked.
And the right has been aware of this for decades and (in the US at least) has systematically sabotaged public education in order to prevent this type of thought.
Which is just so collosally stupid and short sighted.
Of voters who died since 2016, disproportionately many voted leave, as that vote skewed older. They have, of course, been replaced by young voters, though those were 6-17 during the referendum, and overwhelmingly don’t have a historic grudge against the “vino-drinking garlic-eaters” or whatever, but if anything resent having fewer opportunities ahead of them. And while a few remain voters have switched sides (presumably out of what’s-done-is-done resignation/fear of further instability rather than a faith in Britain’s glorious destiny), they’re greatly outnumbered by leavers who would like to take their choice back.
I once met a left brexiteer who said, he voted Remain but now he sees that all the conservative politicians are voted out of their office because they can't blame the EU anymore. So that's a possible position as well.
For context: This is a few years ago so he might have changed his opinion by now. Also, he lives in continental Europe (like me) so he's less effected by the Brexit.
For me some silver lining to Brexit was that majority of anti-EU voices straight up shut up for a ling while when they saw what a clusterfuck it wad. Kinda similar.
There were quite a number of things we were told "we can't do that because of the EU". Then, it turned out, we could actually do them, and did pretty much immediately after the vote but before we'd left. Like blue passports.
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This will happen for us as well in Canada, we have a bunch of plebs in Alberta wanting to separate. They have no idea or are blind to the perils that will be unleashed.
They are selfish twats that need to be ostracized and some harsh realities befal them in order to quash this foolishness.
How any canadian can look at america and say "yeah that grass looks a lot greener" is beyond me. Meanwhile I'm expecting canada to build a wall to keep us american refugees out.
It's because attention is for sell and nobody talks to each other anymore so it's really easy for billionaires to buy the political opinions they want.
Because they want the fascism. As long as they're on top
how can any Republican think what's happening is fine.
so here we are, a lot of stupid people around
It’s nice that you think their foolishness can be quashed.
More hopeful, but ya they won’t go away unfortunately.
Entitled old people that won't rest until the whole world is as miserable as they are.
Slightly triggered for the use of such diagram when imho a simple bar chart would do the trick.
A simple bar graph wouldntve shown the partition of the deceased into leave and remain. It would've only shown the total number of those who died.
I kind of like it 🤷🏻
Right? There is zero meaning to the middle bit. It's actually wrong because the undecided bit isn't included (some has to go and come from that). Same for young people not dying but I guess that's different.
This graph is terrible all around.
The title says excluding undecided
I know. I can read. It's not possible to do that in any reasonable way with this graph. Some undecided go to one group and vice-versa.
Ya don't say...
Why can't conservatives just leave stuff how it is?
Because they're extra susceptible to propaganda
It was in jest. "Conserve", by definition, is to resist change.
yeah but that's just a name. it used to be the case that they resisted change. they now want change, but only if it's exclusively for the worse.
Yep, the name is ironic. I didn't catch you were joking but I knew it was possible because I also find the name ironic. Lol
the margin between leave and remain being a bit higher among voters who have since died than it was during the referendum a decade ago isn't really surprising at all, it just reflects the fact that leave voters skewed older.
also "excluding don't know" for both sides of the graph makes no sense; there should be a "didn't vote" category on the left and a "not sure" category on the right.
It's probably not reliable via the anonymized dataset.
Again the old fuckers are screwing things up for everyone else because racism.
I'm a fan of this graph format. Anyone know what it's called?
Based on other comments here, apparently this is an unpopular opinion lol
Sankey diagram https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sankey_diagram
Thanks. I disagree that the middle section is useless, it does a good job of visually showing the flow of opinions
Too young to vote in 2016 wanna stay out? Brainrot and its effects...
We're going to see some very interesting consequences to puritanical narratives like this in about ten more years. "The only way a small percentage of young people would come to adopt conservative politics is that there is a moral crisis in society which has corrupted them into being incapable of thought."
Of course, you remain uneffected by this crisis and have not succumbed to conservative reasoning.
What is that quote from?
The comment it is responding to. I am saying that their comment carries that narrative and that narrative subscribes to conservative rationalities.
I'd really like to hear a valid argument from those who were too young to vote during the referendum and now want to stay out. I'd also like to ask them if they believe the Scots and Northern-Irish are free to leave the UK if they wanted to. Not that i expect i'll hear something new when i ask them, I just really want to see if there is someone in that group that actually believes the things they'd say.
They probably lack the capacity for that kind of introspection to develop a position. They just repeat what other people tell them and then believe it because there's a sort of logic to it. Testing something for veracity once it's past the coherence test is beyond a lot of people. Lots don't even make it that far. Conservatives have an entirely different system for evaluating things, it starts and ends with what the man says it is.
Ain't that the truth. Until we can educate ourselves out of this, we are completely fucked.
And the right has been aware of this for decades and (in the US at least) has systematically sabotaged public education in order to prevent this type of thought.
Which is just so collosally stupid and short sighted.
Our master and Lord - Short term quarterly gains, may the shareholders value ever increase
And how many more will deadxit this week during the heat wave?
Without the don't knows how is the middle part of the graph calculated?
It's not. The two extremes are the data points, the middle is a way of visualizing how the data has changed in the intervening period.
There's clearly some data there. What % goes to what.
Well for sankey diagram it is not, unless it would have some bars.
Thomas doesn't give any fuchs.
so if you rejoin you live forever?
Many people have died in general. It's been 10 years.
More of those voting leave died than those who voted stay. Wanting to leave EU is bad for your health.
I think it's more that age correlates with both but the truth is somewhere in the middle I guess
Also some people that were too young will sadly also have died.
Of voters who died since 2016, disproportionately many voted leave, as that vote skewed older. They have, of course, been replaced by young voters, though those were 6-17 during the referendum, and overwhelmingly don’t have a historic grudge against the “vino-drinking garlic-eaters” or whatever, but if anything resent having fewer opportunities ahead of them. And while a few remain voters have switched sides (presumably out of what’s-done-is-done resignation/fear of further instability rather than a faith in Britain’s glorious destiny), they’re greatly outnumbered by leavers who would like to take their choice back.
I once met a left brexiteer who said, he voted Remain but now he sees that all the conservative politicians are voted out of their office because they can't blame the EU anymore. So that's a possible position as well.
For context: This is a few years ago so he might have changed his opinion by now. Also, he lives in continental Europe (like me) so he's less effected by the Brexit.
For me some silver lining to Brexit was that majority of anti-EU voices straight up shut up for a ling while when they saw what a clusterfuck it wad. Kinda similar.
There were quite a number of things we were told "we can't do that because of the EU". Then, it turned out, we could actually do them, and did pretty much immediately after the vote but before we'd left. Like blue passports.
I have no idea what the implication is
None whatsoever, just old people being nostalgic for the days when we had blue passports.
They are such a dark blue that they are black really. I thought the burgundy ones looked smarter.
Christ... Fucking insane priorities.
You must've missed the graph below the headline that shows why it's newsworthy.