Elon is the richest human to ever live. His net worth surpasses that of some countries. He's trying to defend Nazi like actions (including the Nazi saute) to strangers on the Internet. He could do so much good in this world, but instead he's a piece of shit.
Hell, he's got enough money to be Batman or Tony Stark at this point.
Long before the Nazi salut... Uh... I think about 3 or 4 years before it, I had an argument about Musk with one of my brothers who really likes him.
At that time I had watched a few engineers do the math on all this achievements, only to find out he's hyping up mundane things that already exist.
But most distressingly, he was saying apartheid things, and critiquing the arrest of a fascist who provoked violence.
My brother wasn't convinced.
What surprised me most about the salut was that he did it publicly! Right there out in the open! But besides that it was a full fledged visual proof of what I had been saying already for years. Surely my brother would not be so stu-...
No, I was just on the hate bandwagon. Of course that wasn't a Nazi salut, I just want to see it as one because I enjoy hating Musk. Because hating Musk is the popular thing to do right now.
He didn't do a Nazi Salute though. I mean, he did, but not on purpose
He's just a massive fucking idiot who literally tried to thank people from his heart and stupidly ended up doing the Nazi Salute
It's hilarious. Like something out of a Naked Gun movie
People who support him know this so being willfully ignorant about it isn't really helping. Drop the, "he did a Nazi salute shit" and stick to the facts, like pointing out that he accidentally did a Nazi Salute because that's how big of a fucking moron he is
So if I were to flip the bird at you, the universal sign of "fuck you" twice but just before I do I say something marginally nice, that makes it not flipping the bird? Get the fuck out of here and get off of lemmy fascist chud.
Yeah, probably. I'm smart enough to understand context and intent
So if you were happy and celebrating something I did, and you were like, "from the heavens above" and you pointed with your middle finger, I'm smart enough to understand that while it's funny you just gave me the finger, you're actually just pointing to heaven
Well he said he was thanking them from his heart so I bet he didn't grab his heart
Oh, he did? Like, flat palm and literally grab ahold of his shirt over is heart?
Hm...
Well he was at a place where it would make sense to just openly do a Nazi Salute right? Like a White Power rally or something right?
No? He wasn't?
So it's only a literal Nazi Salute if we ignore where he was, what he said, what he didn't say, and what he actually did...
I guess anything can be true if you ignore the objective evidence and only focus on what fits the narrative. I guess the world is flat too. It looks flat, it feels flat, and any evidence that shows it's not flat is just you being an ignorant boot-licking government stooge right?
God it must be so blissful being so dense and low IQ you think the world is round. I'd say go back to reddit with your NASA dick sucking but not even reddit will tolerate your bs
It's not rationalization, it's literally what happens
He's talking about how important the election was and how he wants to thank everyone for voting for Trump. I believe the exact quote is, "my heart goes out to you"
Sucks you are so full of hate you literally won't let yourself see, and laugh at, one of the funniest Faux Pas to happen in like 100 years
He stood on stage and said something like, "I want to thank you from the bottom of my heart", then he grabs his heart, and waves to the audience
Does it look exactly like a Nazi Salute? Absolutely, and that's what makes it so funny. The dude is such a massive fucking idiot he accidentally gave the Nazi Salute on a World Stage. And not just once, he waved to three different parts of the audience, doing it three times
Did he actually stand on stage and Heil Hitler? No
No amount of your shitty gifs are going to change that this is what actually happened
He did it once, turned around and did it again - incredibly intentional.
It is a Nazi salute, stop trying to pretend otherwise. You're trying to rationalize it because you can't accept that Musk is a Nazi.
Instead of defending this trash human being who's only wealthy through inheritance and luck in making some good bets with his capital (gained from his family exploitation in South Africa during apartheid). He's not a fucking genius, he's not a visionary, he's an asshole who has way too much money and a disgusting philosophy on life.
You're not his friend. He is not your friend. He is the enemy.
There were people both, in front, and behind him. He was thanking the people in the audience for supporting Trump; so yeah, he waved to all of the people in the audience, including those behind him
It's not an "All-or-nothing" deal in life. I can both, dislike Elon, but also not be OK with spreading misinformation. The fact that you see it as a, "you always go with the anti-Elon narrative, even if it's false or else..." kind of lets me know everything I need to know about you. If the story was, "Elon ate a baby on stage", even though you know that's not true, you'd still push the lie because to you, if you speak up and say, "that's not true", you're a bad person
Your morals are fucked
Not me. I don't need to lie. Elon can get fucked but I'll let his trash behavior speaks honestly for itself
Did he give a stupid fucking wave that looks like the Nazi Salute? Absolutely. Was he actually standing on stage Heil Hitler? No.
Been checking on your comments, what’s your end goal? I think you need to reflect on yourself and think about many other useful stuff that you could to instead trying to convince people musk is not a deranged nazi but just a silly man makes silly gestures.
You say he’s a useless person, but yet you’re still trying to argue with people (which all due respect, this is literally defending him)
I know you are not a bad person but current social media has trained all us to be aggressive and unwilling agent of provocateurs. A “useful idiot” in another way of saying. Please, take a deep breath and put your phone aside. Reflect for a moment what are current affairs making you to do. You’re arguing with the people that you already agree with.
What's my end goal? I don't know, kill some time while automated tests run at work? Are you telling me you get on internet forums because you have some kind of end goal other than, "I'm bored"?
I did reflect on myself, and I realized that I'm not ok with lies. Even if the lie doesn't make someone I dislike look bad, it's still not OK to lie. It's also not OK to sit around and see people spreading lies and not say anything. Yeah, I guess that does mean that sometimes I'll have to defend bad people and people I don't like, but that's OK too. If the person in question is really a bad person I won't need to lie to make them look bad, the truth will make them look bad; and unlike lies, the truth cannot be denied
Here are the facts. It's all on video, there's no questioning it. This is what happened.
Elon is on stage at a Republican rally telling them that the election was important and that he's happy they made the right choice and voted for Trump. He's thanking them for making this choice. He grabs his heart with his hand, open palm on chest gripping his shirt tightly, he waves to the audience in front of him. He turns around to the people behind him and he does this again. He continues speaking, at which point he says something like, "and I mean it from my heart"
Does it look exactly like the Nazi Salute? Yes; and that's what makes it so funny. It's a hilariously stupid Faux Pas at probably the worst time, but was he actually standing on stage and praising Hitler? No.
It's just that simple. I'm not going to ignore that my eyeballs can see him gripping his heart and I'm not going to ignore that my ears can hear him say "and I mean it from the bottom of my heart".
I'm not going to lie about what happened. I heard what he said, I saw him grab his heart.
If you're mad at me for not going along with your lie, then eat shit, I'm not going to be nice to a bunch of people trying to spread misinformation.
He stood on stage and said something like, "And I thank you all from the bottom of my heart"; then he grabbed his heart and waved to the audience
Does it look exactly like a Nazi Salute? Absolutely; and that's what makes it so fucking funny. The dude is such a massive fucking moron that he accidentally stood on a world stage and gave a Nazi Salute three times.
What he didn't do was stand on stage and then Heil Hitler
He stood on stage and does this, then says that "my heart goes out to you"
Does it look exactly like a Nazi Salute? Absolutely; and that's what makes it so fucking funny. The dude is such a massive fucking moron that he accidentally stood on a world stage and gave a Nazi Salute three times.
What he didn't do was stand on stage and then Heil Hitler
If you want to get technical, a Nazi Salute does not flat palm the heart, it's that sideways hand all the way through. And why does he flat palm his heart? Because he was thanking the audience from his heart. There's no need to lie about what happened, what happened is incredibly fucking stupid and make him look dumb as fuck on it's own
Then he turned around, faced the rnc symbol on the wall, and did it a second time. Was he "thanking the symbol from his heart" too?
If you want to get technical, he made the exact same gesture Hitler did in the side by side video I posted. Are you saying that technically Hitler wasn't doing a Nazi salute? Cause if anyone knows what a Nazi salute is, it's him.
Look, we all know what he did, and it wasn't an accident or an adorable awkward moment from a neuro divergent. Absolute best, most generous case is that he was trolling Democrats. But that DOES NOT change that fact he did an intentional Nazi salute.
He's not trolling, that would require him to be clever
He's just an idiot
It's like that scene in Family Guy where Peter Griffin becomes a staunch feminist and decides to go to the Million Man March to tell the MEN that it's their fault there is crime and violence in the world... just a bumbling fucking moron who doesn't realize he just told a bunch of BLACK men that it's there's fault there's crime and violence in the world
Except this shit actually happened in real life and you won't let yourself realize it
I'm not annoyed you guys are shitting on Elon, fuck him, I'm annoyed you're so eager to always see the worst that you won't let yourself see that what actually happened is one of the funniest fucking things that's happened in like 100 years
Once or twice is a fluke, but he's done enough Nazi-like things and associates with enough Nazi-like people that it has become a pattern. He's been told about it enough that it can no longer be considered an accident. It has become a pattern. A bright red pin wheel shaped pattern.
Did you actually watch a video of him doing it? He made sure there could be no mistake of what he was really doing. It was an act of defiance and he did it again facing the party insignia they had set up behind him to emphasize that point.
Yes, that's how I know he wasn't saluting Hitler but instead thanking from from his heart.
I believe he says, "My heart goes out to you"
He's a massive fucking idiot doing an incredibly stupid thing and that's funny as fuck. It's a shame you are all so angry that you literally can't laugh at one of the funniest fucking faux pas to happen in like 100 years
You mean the video where he's on stage thanking everyone for supporting Trump in a "very important" election and says that he means it from the bottom of his heart?
The guy writing apartheid apologist commentary, funding fascist political groups here in Europe, advocates for the release of any arrested fascist or supremacist on the grounds of "free speech", and openly believes in Nazi created conspiracies like "White Genocide" and "Great Replacement Theory", threw up two consecutive Nazi salutes entirely by accident?
Uh... Do you really want me to pull out the side-by-side of Hitler and Musk saluting?
It was a Nazi Salute. He didn't do it accidentally. Look carefully at his face. He was doing his "little stinker" face. The one that he does whenever he things he's doing something "clever".
There's no doubt it looks almost exactly like a Nazi Salute
But the reality is that he was not actually doing a Nazi Salute. He's just a try-hard that, instead of just waving like a normal person, tried to be super intense and cool and ended up doing the Nazi Salute by accident
It's only a Nazi Salute if you ignore that he does it wrong at the start, doesn't say any Nazi phrase that accompanies the salute, has no reason to be done in that context, and that he literally said he was thanking people from his heart when he did it
But yeah, I guess if we want to ignore all the parts of reality that don't fit the narrative, I guess it is true
Elon can get fucked, but so can people who are more interested in pushing a narrative then acknowledging the truth
He was trying to reproduce the dynamic of the OK hand sign.
What happened then is that neonazis online thought it would be hilarious to use the innocent sign as an in-joke. Leftists caught on quickly since they are obsessed with fascism coming back and the whole thing was quite public. Then the OK sign spread gradually from online self-professed neo-nazis to real life hard right politicians. Finally, when leftists said "this is a neo-nazi symbol", they got laughed at in the media by these rightist politicians along with the apolitical neutral commentators.
This had two effects : first, it paints the left as a bunch of crazies and the hard right as relaxed funny types by comparison; second, it acted as a shibboleth. What I mean by that is that if became possible to know people's politics by simply showing them the sign and asking "what is this?" — you'd get either a puzzled look, a denunciation of far right politics, or a knowing chuckle and wink.
Musk tried doing the same thing with his nazi salute : build some plausible deniability with the "I give my heart to you" comment, and then immediately afterward tweeting stuff like "the Nazi attack is sooo tired". The hard right base recognized the drill and started using it as a shibboleth too.
But it was too much too fast, the whole of MAGA wasn't ready to commit to literally Nazi salutes, so it was written off as Musk being a weirdo.
You can tell it wasnt a simple mistake because then Musk would have produced some kind of blabd corporate apology afterward, not immediately made nazi puns on social media
I think he's just a fucking moron that didn't realize what he was doing. It's like something Peter Griffin would do on Family Guy except, in real life
It's hilarious and I'm not annoyed people are shitting on Elon, I'm annoyed people are so ready to see the worst in everything that they literally can't see one of the funniest fucking things that happened in a long time
I dunno I’m finding it hard to find it funny. Like a bit if what you’re saying is true and he’s that dumb, but I think he likely egged on some extremists.
It's so sad and strange to me that Elon still doesn't understand why people don't like him. Also, he doesn't understand that people don't have to like him either.
I've seen it with CEO types, they are egocentric so don't realize that not everyone wants to be like them, or hold the same beliefs. They prop up their fragile ego with "I'm the best, people want what I have" self talk.
Very common with Rich people. They love trying to convince everyone that they're very hard done by. Most rich people would have you convinced they're poorer than you, if you let them.
I don't wonder if it's because he's bought and paid for so many "yes-men" around him, surrounded by sycophants when he sees people talk poorly about him, it just doesn't line up with his day to day world view he bought. I doubt a single engineer who works for him has ever told him no, or that what he's doing is dumb.
Always nice to see SMN linked/mentioned! While I strongly like the channel and have learned so much from many of their videos I just don't have the mental energy to go into that mode anymore. The world situation is bad enough just from seeing news here on Lemmy and I've had the hardest two years of my life, both my dad and the closest friend I've ever had passed away and lots of other shit, so I can't handle watching their videos anymore. It's absolutely no issue with them, they do great work, it's just extra weight that, while important, doesn't affect me daily. Really want to get to a point where watching their videos is something to look forwards to, to have the energy to be mad about the world instead of a constant feeling of drowning.
You know what, I never clocked before that his fascination with the letter x is probably a substitute for a more infamous symbol. That makes way too much sense.
I'm pretty sure that his fascination with X began long before his becoming a Nazi. This is just a great coincidence that he could play up once he did decide to go the Nazi route.
Early 20s, perhaps? Around the time he ditched school and became an (gasp) illegal alien. It might have been during his time in a school also, I dunno. It circled around pretty heavily on reddit back in the day, at least. Someone surely has a source.
I never really could stand the guy so I sort of made it a point to ignore the everliving fuck out if him.
Yeah, I wasn't fond of him in the early days and just basically rolled my eyes every time the Kaptain Ketamine fluffers would talk up his "great achievements" ... like buying a car company. Or buying a rocket company. Or buying a ...
Didn't take too long after that for the fact that he was just a thoroughly vile human being to start being obvious.
Remember that he's admitting that people want to kill him.
Also remember that right after he did the Nazi Salute on live television, he was suddenly carrying his son around everywhere. A son, that by all accounts, he didn't seem to give too much of a shit about beforehand. He was using that kid as a human shield, folks. Most people wont shoot at a man holding a kid and he knew it.
I hope he's paranoid. I hope every moment of his life is spent in fear of being killed by a stranger. Not the passive, "Someone's out to get me," fear, but real dread. The kind that makes you question the wind that blew across your neck. The kind that makes you wonder if that person you like being around actually likes being around you. The kind that makes you believe that maybe it would be easier to just...
Was about to post a similar comment. I hope every living second of his day is filled with paranoid thoughts of being murdered and that it drains every bit of his enjoyment no matter what he is doing.
I said earlier that I wanted ICE agents to feel like a deer that has just been released from the safety of a cage into the woods and is being hunted for sports, and I hope that same sense of dread is felt by all billionaires.
Maybe he would be more popular if he used his money and influence to create a better world. Say what you want about Gates, but that foundation of him and his wife saved tens of millions of lifes. It seems like Musk isn't even trying to create the illusion of using his money for the benefit of society.
I have a lot to say about Gates. He realized that he was an evil POS and decided to create his own foundation to push his own views on various things around the world. His work had some positive effects, some negative effects, and if he actually valued human life, he would have campaigned to raise taxes on the ultra-rich or paid his workers more.
Let's not pretend Bill has much humanity in him. He's almost as bad as Elon. That's better than nothing, for sure.
I'm not going to try to defend his more heinous actions, neither the ones early in his career nor the ones that came later in life, but it did truly feel like their foundation and what they did with it was more of a "we have the time and the money so why not do something positive and get good PR at the same time?" kind of thing.
He's certainly saved more lives than Musk, Thiel, Altman et al. have, put together. By far.
I still find it funny that he actually thought he could get drumpf to do something altruistic, though. That shit was both funny and sad at the same time.
His foundation pushed back against covid vaccines being open so poorer countries could afford them because he insists that someone needs to profit from shit his foundation does. It was like a continuation of his opposition to open source software (that he leaned on to develop the things that made Microsoft and then immediately hated because they were still free for others when he wanted to pull the ladder up). His foundation also tends to dominate charities it deals with because the surge of money makes them expand and then they can't afford to lose it.
A mixed bag is still better than the other sacks of shit, but I'm not going to waste any more time trying to defend him than this either. He's still a piece of shit.
Both can be right. I would like Elon Musk easily killed, and believe nobody should feel bad about it. Let's face it, Billionaires are a modern day plague killing us in various ways. As such I want them executed for crimes against humanity, but might settle for every last one of their assets and a vow of poverty enforced by the public.
I like to think of someone gave a trillion dollars to Mr. Rogers he would have been a trillionaire for like a day, losing the title almost immediately as he redistributed it appropriately.
Oh, bringing logic to an Elon discussion? You're gonna get called woke, or whatever the fuck his buzzword for people he can't dupe he doesn't like is today.
It's pretty much a fact, yes. But if I had to stand behind the smelly president with eyes & cameras pointed at me for doG knows how long, I'd be fidgety too.
Wow this is a dark fucking "every accusation is an admission".
I was pretty sure elon has been trying to call hits on people through Twitter... this clinched it.
Thankfully he's such a fucking loser nobody has taken him up on it. Real "boy i just wanna rock out at one of your sick parties what days are your best parties I'd really love to come on the day of your wildest party" energy.
Hungarian here, the moment saying the word "nazi" became "politically incorrect", the concept of a "far right" became unspeakable in public discourse, even if someone wore nazi memorabilia in public, and we were told to never ever again use the tern "far right" in public. It took a decade of "FideSS" and the government's public apathy to growing right wing extremism to fix things, and not everything is back to "normal" (at least anti-Roma sentiment is less popular now, same with anti-LGBTQIA+).
If he's worried about people wanting to kill him, maybe he shouldn't have fucked over so many people with DOGE. That probably made the list of people who want him dead a lot longer.
People encouraged others to murder him because he's an evil dragon hoarding more wealth than his entire extended family could ever spend in all their lifetimes while directly killing people through USAID and other illegal cuts that never actually made a budgetary difference. Their argument is: if billionaires shouldn't exist, trillionaires definitely shouldn't...
And he's wrong. We don't want people to murder him. We want him to decide that he's going to personally settle Mars and go on a space mission and live out the rest of his days in outer space, or inner space, or at least on another planet, far from us.
If he gets to Mars, great. We still don't have to deal with him. If he doesn't get there, then at least he'll have some kind of ironic ending.
Also, if you look at the impact that cutting USAid has, he's one of the good biggest mass murderers in human history.
No, I want him to serve the rest of his life in prison, with his withered dick, ruminating on how he ended up in a tiny dungeon, even though he had all that money, and should be living the most luxurious life on the planet.
Also, if you look at the impact that cutting USAid has, he’s one of the good biggest mass murderers in human history.
The fixation on USAID is really annoying, as it's a known front for intelligence services that provides aid as a second-order benefit. Doggedly insisting that millions of people are dying because USAID doesn't exist is a cop-out. US foreign policy focused on encircling, embargoing, arming dissidents, and outright bombing public infrastructure creates far more pain and suffering than anything USAID resolves. The real crimes of the Musk Administration have been on the Pentagon side of the equation - facilitating military actions in Sudan and Ethiopia, the Philippines, Libya, Syria, Gaza and the West Bank, and Iran - through his Starlink network.
He's a mass murderer because he provides material support for mass murder, not because he cut back on the CIA's "Food for Snitches" program.
Well no. There was a program that gave people food. It also did other things. He cut the food, said he wouldn't allow people to starve, and then they did... Did he expect them to die? Yes. Did everyone predict that they would? Yes. Did he have control over all of it? Yes... That's on him and his underlings.
It gave private businesses grant money to build out capital in neighborhoods controlled by politicians that the US supported. It gave local agri-business loans to consolidate farmland, then bought the farm product at a markup to redistribute to other private organizations affiliated with US allies. Always in pursuit of some kind of political angle or diplomatic gain. Often this means exporting food from the country to sell to grocers in the Global North.
Rather than provide much-needed funds directly to the FMLN government, USAID prefers to pump millions through private companies, foundations, and third-party contractors to promote neoliberal, private sector-led initiatives that promote “entrepreneurship,” or train young people for offshore English-language call-center service work for US companies.
One such program partners with Microsoft to teach Salvadoran kids English and computer skills; another links small and mid-size farms with Walmart. USAID’s Salvadoran development partners are just as corporate, and overwhelmingly opposition-affiliated. The agency boasts that it helps “artisans in El Salvador sell products in Simán stores,” a regional department store chain owned by one of El Salvador’s oldest oligarchic families and principal donors to ARENA.
When it comes to violence-prevention projects, the dynamic is no different. Despite USAID’s claim to be supporting the Salvadoran government’s security strategy, the agency is channeling nearly all its violence-prevention assistance through the very corporations and organizations that are boycotting the SESP.
One of USAID’s centerpiece violence prevention initiatives is called SolcionES. The program is run by the Business Foundation for Educational Development (FEPADE), whose founding members include nearly every major Salvadoran corporation along with the foundations of the oligarchic Simán, Poma, and Dueñas families — a veritable who’s who of ARENA financiers.
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The management of this project is contracted to the US-based firm Creative Associates International. Creative Associates gained infamy in 2014 when its covert social media project in Cuba was revealed to be an attempt to galvanize dissidence. In Honduras, Afghanistan, Yemen, and Libya, USAID’s Office of Transition Initiatives (OTI) has contracted the company to prop up unstable regimes in the wake of US intervention — essentially counter-insurgency work.
Creative Associates International in El Salvador has a five-year, $24 million project with USAID which includes the establishment of youth outreach centers as well as observatories to collect municipal crime data across a target fifty-five municipalities in total.
Like SolucionES, the Outreach Centers promote a decidedly neoliberal discourse of personal responsibility and individual initiative that obscures material systems of power and oppression. One local partner in the project is the Dutriz Group, which owns one of the country’s most reactionary right-wing newspapers, La Prensa Gráfica. The company promotes USAID programs in the periodical’s pages and finances workshops with at-risk youth.
USAID is not a famine-prevention program. Its goal is not to save lives. Its leadership is not charged with a charitable mission. It is a tool of the State Department to promote fringe parties, bribe existing governments, and extort opposition parties that have inherited infrastructure laid down by prior administrations.
And when they're not bribing government officials, they're distributing right-wing video games to teenagers in order to spy on and radicalize them.
If you're wondering why Nayib Bukele is running El Salvador today, there's a straight line between his current administration and this kind of US intervention.
It's obviously multi purpose, but its main purpose is humanitarian aid that saves lives and keeps our national reputation out of the gutter.
One of the things that has kept us from going the way of the Soviet Union is having most of our international meddling being saving lives and fixing things. It at least partly makes up for (or at least distracts from) the heinous shit we do as well.
I want legal wording that'll make it so he has to give up half his fortune back to the world economies that he operates in.
That would be the perfect fuck you. Making legal wording at the UN (and BRICS) and making it illegal to be able to be that rich and once you get that rich you're forced to evenly redistribute half your fortune to the countries you do business in.
Guy who spends vast fortunes finding, organizing, and financing far-right criminal gangs to commit violent crimes against non-white population centers: "They are only calling me names because they want to hurt me."
I don’t understand why people think he is smarter than average and why he has such an ego, he sounds like a lot of managers I have had who got to their position impressing uninformed people by repeating things he hears engineers say (usually incorrectly)
Financial obesity is an existential threat to any society that tolerates it, and needs to cease being celebrated, rewarded, and positioned as an aspirational goal.
Corporations are the only ‘persons’ which should be subjected to capital punishment, but trillionaires should be forced to transition into billionaires, and billionaires should be euthanised through taxation.
Puts possibly the largest target on themselves of anybody in history.
People want to kill me? Well fucking duh, how about not trying to be the richest drug addict white supremacist carnival barker in history. Did you think that lying to everyone with a PR team to run cover for you would last forever.
Just do literally anything besides be a gigantic asshole with all his wealth. He couldn't even manage to help save those kids in that cave without being a fucking dick about it. Dude needs to stfu and go to therapy.
Elon is the richest human to ever live. His net worth surpasses that of some countries. He's trying to defend Nazi like actions (including the Nazi saute) to strangers on the Internet. He could do so much good in this world, but instead he's a piece of shit.
Hell, he's got enough money to be Batman or Tony Stark at this point.
If it walks like a nazi, talks like a nazi, and fucking seig heils like a nazi... Its probably a nazi.
it only needs to do one of these things to be a Nazi...
See the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance
Nope, no Nazis here!
Long before the Nazi salut... Uh... I think about 3 or 4 years before it, I had an argument about Musk with one of my brothers who really likes him.
At that time I had watched a few engineers do the math on all this achievements, only to find out he's hyping up mundane things that already exist.
But most distressingly, he was saying apartheid things, and critiquing the arrest of a fascist who provoked violence.
My brother wasn't convinced.
What surprised me most about the salut was that he did it publicly! Right there out in the open! But besides that it was a full fledged visual proof of what I had been saying already for years. Surely my brother would not be so stu-...
No, I was just on the hate bandwagon. Of course that wasn't a Nazi salut, I just want to see it as one because I enjoy hating Musk. Because hating Musk is the popular thing to do right now.
He even did the goose-step...
He didn't do a Nazi Salute though. I mean, he did, but not on purpose
He's just a massive fucking idiot who literally tried to thank people from his heart and stupidly ended up doing the Nazi Salute
It's hilarious. Like something out of a Naked Gun movie
People who support him know this so being willfully ignorant about it isn't really helping. Drop the, "he did a Nazi salute shit" and stick to the facts, like pointing out that he accidentally did a Nazi Salute because that's how big of a fucking moron he is
https://i.imgur.com/6u98PJB.mp4
Are you sure about that chud? The fascist on camera did it twice in a row. That's not an accident.
Yeah, and he says, "My heart goes out to you"
It doesn't even make sense to do a Nazi Salute there. He's thanking the audience for voting for Trump because the election was important
It's hilarious because it's one of the funniest Faux Pas to happen in like 100 years and I'm sad you motherfuckers are too think to see it.
So if I were to flip the bird at you, the universal sign of "fuck you" twice but just before I do I say something marginally nice, that makes it not flipping the bird? Get the fuck out of here and get off of lemmy fascist chud.
Yeah, probably. I'm smart enough to understand context and intent
So if you were happy and celebrating something I did, and you were like, "from the heavens above" and you pointed with your middle finger, I'm smart enough to understand that while it's funny you just gave me the finger, you're actually just pointing to heaven
God it must be so blissful being this dense and low IQ.
I'd say go back to reddit with your Elon dick sucking but apparently not even reddit will tolerate your bs.
So he said "Seig Heil"?
No?
"Hiel Hitler"?
No?
Oh.
Well he said he was thanking them from his heart so I bet he didn't grab his heart
Oh, he did? Like, flat palm and literally grab ahold of his shirt over is heart?
Hm...
Well he was at a place where it would make sense to just openly do a Nazi Salute right? Like a White Power rally or something right?
No? He wasn't?
So it's only a literal Nazi Salute if we ignore where he was, what he said, what he didn't say, and what he actually did...
I guess anything can be true if you ignore the objective evidence and only focus on what fits the narrative. I guess the world is flat too. It looks flat, it feels flat, and any evidence that shows it's not flat is just you being an ignorant boot-licking government stooge right?
God it must be so blissful being so dense and low IQ you think the world is round. I'd say go back to reddit with your NASA dick sucking but not even reddit will tolerate your bs
Not even a good attempt at rationalization.
It's not rationalization, it's literally what happens
He's talking about how important the election was and how he wants to thank everyone for voting for Trump. I believe the exact quote is, "my heart goes out to you"
Sucks you are so full of hate you literally won't let yourself see, and laugh at, one of the funniest Faux Pas to happen in like 100 years
What happened is beyond hilarious.
No, but you might be
Here is what actually happened.
He stood on stage and said something like, "I want to thank you from the bottom of my heart", then he grabs his heart, and waves to the audience
Does it look exactly like a Nazi Salute? Absolutely, and that's what makes it so funny. The dude is such a massive fucking idiot he accidentally gave the Nazi Salute on a World Stage. And not just once, he waved to three different parts of the audience, doing it three times
Did he actually stand on stage and Heil Hitler? No
No amount of your shitty gifs are going to change that this is what actually happened
He did it once, turned around and did it again - incredibly intentional.
It is a Nazi salute, stop trying to pretend otherwise. You're trying to rationalize it because you can't accept that Musk is a Nazi.
Instead of defending this trash human being who's only wealthy through inheritance and luck in making some good bets with his capital (gained from his family exploitation in South Africa during apartheid). He's not a fucking genius, he's not a visionary, he's an asshole who has way too much money and a disgusting philosophy on life.
You're not his friend. He is not your friend. He is the enemy.
There were people both, in front, and behind him. He was thanking the people in the audience for supporting Trump; so yeah, he waved to all of the people in the audience, including those behind him
It's not an "All-or-nothing" deal in life. I can both, dislike Elon, but also not be OK with spreading misinformation. The fact that you see it as a, "you always go with the anti-Elon narrative, even if it's false or else..." kind of lets me know everything I need to know about you. If the story was, "Elon ate a baby on stage", even though you know that's not true, you'd still push the lie because to you, if you speak up and say, "that's not true", you're a bad person
Your morals are fucked
Not me. I don't need to lie. Elon can get fucked but I'll let his trash behavior speaks honestly for itself
Did he give a stupid fucking wave that looks like the Nazi Salute? Absolutely. Was he actually standing on stage Heil Hitler? No.
Lol the irony.
You and me both. That's why I wrote what I did. Because you're spreading misinformation.
Oh, my bad, so then Elon wasn't thanking the audience, I'm lying about that?
Oh, he was? He literally said that huh? hm...
Well, he didn't thank them from his heart. Obviously that's bullshit right?
Oh, he did? Like he literally said he was doing exactly that? Straight up, "from my heart"?
Well he didn't grab his heart or anything, he just did the salute
Oh, he did grab his heart? Like, he literally flat palms his chest and literally grips his shirt over his heart?
Hm... well, this happened at place where people do Nazi Salutes right? Like in secret or at a white power rally or something?
No? It happened in a public place where you almost certainly wouldn't publicly do this?
oh...
So close
He threw the nazi salute because he's got the mentality of a fifteen year old edgelord
So moron yes. Accidentally, no.
It doesn't even make sense to do it on purpose. Nothing he said had anything to do with that.
It sucks you guys are so full of hate that you literally can't laugh at one of the funniest Faux Pas to happen in like 100 years
Shit's hilarious and you're raging hate boner won't let you see what actually happened and realize how hilariously stupid it is
Sucks for you I guess
Been checking on your comments, what’s your end goal? I think you need to reflect on yourself and think about many other useful stuff that you could to instead trying to convince people musk is not a deranged nazi but just a silly man makes silly gestures.
You say he’s a useless person, but yet you’re still trying to argue with people (which all due respect, this is literally defending him)
I know you are not a bad person but current social media has trained all us to be aggressive and unwilling agent of provocateurs. A “useful idiot” in another way of saying. Please, take a deep breath and put your phone aside. Reflect for a moment what are current affairs making you to do. You’re arguing with the people that you already agree with.
Be nice
What's my end goal? I don't know, kill some time while automated tests run at work? Are you telling me you get on internet forums because you have some kind of end goal other than, "I'm bored"?
I did reflect on myself, and I realized that I'm not ok with lies. Even if the lie doesn't make someone I dislike look bad, it's still not OK to lie. It's also not OK to sit around and see people spreading lies and not say anything. Yeah, I guess that does mean that sometimes I'll have to defend bad people and people I don't like, but that's OK too. If the person in question is really a bad person I won't need to lie to make them look bad, the truth will make them look bad; and unlike lies, the truth cannot be denied
Here are the facts. It's all on video, there's no questioning it. This is what happened.
Elon is on stage at a Republican rally telling them that the election was important and that he's happy they made the right choice and voted for Trump. He's thanking them for making this choice. He grabs his heart with his hand, open palm on chest gripping his shirt tightly, he waves to the audience in front of him. He turns around to the people behind him and he does this again. He continues speaking, at which point he says something like, "and I mean it from my heart"
Does it look exactly like the Nazi Salute? Yes; and that's what makes it so funny. It's a hilariously stupid Faux Pas at probably the worst time, but was he actually standing on stage and praising Hitler? No.
It's just that simple. I'm not going to ignore that my eyeballs can see him gripping his heart and I'm not going to ignore that my ears can hear him say "and I mean it from the bottom of my heart".
I'm not going to lie about what happened. I heard what he said, I saw him grab his heart.
If you're mad at me for not going along with your lie, then eat shit, I'm not going to be nice to a bunch of people trying to spread misinformation.
What's funny about throwing a nazi salute?
He did the whole salute the way Nazis historically did it and not just a freeze frame of him waving or something.
Here's what happened:
He stood on stage and said something like, "And I thank you all from the bottom of my heart"; then he grabbed his heart and waved to the audience
Does it look exactly like a Nazi Salute? Absolutely; and that's what makes it so fucking funny. The dude is such a massive fucking moron that he accidentally stood on a world stage and gave a Nazi Salute three times.
What he didn't do was stand on stage and then Heil Hitler
Must be hard no one's buying your revisionist narrative, no matter how many times you repeat it
Oh well. Sucks for you.
You're copy-pasting the exact same tired bullshit excuse like you're his personal PR person at this point.
Almost like I had to reply to different people
Nope, definitely not a Nazi salute.
Here's what happened:
He stood on stage and does this, then says that "my heart goes out to you"
Does it look exactly like a Nazi Salute? Absolutely; and that's what makes it so fucking funny. The dude is such a massive fucking moron that he accidentally stood on a world stage and gave a Nazi Salute three times.
What he didn't do was stand on stage and then Heil Hitler
If you want to get technical, a Nazi Salute does not flat palm the heart, it's that sideways hand all the way through. And why does he flat palm his heart? Because he was thanking the audience from his heart. There's no need to lie about what happened, what happened is incredibly fucking stupid and make him look dumb as fuck on it's own
Then he turned around, faced the rnc symbol on the wall, and did it a second time. Was he "thanking the symbol from his heart" too?
If you want to get technical, he made the exact same gesture Hitler did in the side by side video I posted. Are you saying that technically Hitler wasn't doing a Nazi salute? Cause if anyone knows what a Nazi salute is, it's him.
Look, we all know what he did, and it wasn't an accident or an adorable awkward moment from a neuro divergent. Absolute best, most generous case is that he was trolling Democrats. But that DOES NOT change that fact he did an intentional Nazi salute.
There were people behind him
He's not trolling, that would require him to be clever
He's just an idiot
It's like that scene in Family Guy where Peter Griffin becomes a staunch feminist and decides to go to the Million Man March to tell the MEN that it's their fault there is crime and violence in the world... just a bumbling fucking moron who doesn't realize he just told a bunch of BLACK men that it's there's fault there's crime and violence in the world
Except this shit actually happened in real life and you won't let yourself realize it
I'm not annoyed you guys are shitting on Elon, fuck him, I'm annoyed you're so eager to always see the worst that you won't let yourself see that what actually happened is one of the funniest fucking things that's happened in like 100 years
Once or twice is a fluke, but he's done enough Nazi-like things and associates with enough Nazi-like people that it has become a pattern. He's been told about it enough that it can no longer be considered an accident. It has become a pattern. A bright red pin wheel shaped pattern.
Not a single funny thing about that whole farce. Not one.
Oh no, the big bad scary rich guy is going to get you!
Sieg heil, and you can practically see him doing his best to bite down and not say it out loud, too.
But he doesn't, right? So you don't actually know if he's trying to say anything at all, let alone that... but hey, lets just make shit up I guess
Look at his mouth ffs.
I didn't know that facial expression was part of the Nazi Salute
"but he made a silly face" isn't the fantastic argument you think it is
We can't go off what you imagine, we have to off of what actually happened
Did you actually watch a video of him doing it? He made sure there could be no mistake of what he was really doing. It was an act of defiance and he did it again facing the party insignia they had set up behind him to emphasize that point.
Yes, that's how I know he wasn't saluting Hitler but instead thanking from from his heart.
I believe he says, "My heart goes out to you"
He's a massive fucking idiot doing an incredibly stupid thing and that's funny as fuck. It's a shame you are all so angry that you literally can't laugh at one of the funniest fucking faux pas to happen in like 100 years
Your grasp of reality is thin.
My grasp of reality is based on what actually happened
Where he actually was, what he actually said, and what he actually did
Video evidence proves otherwise.
You mean the video where he's on stage thanking everyone for supporting Trump in a "very important" election and says that he means it from the bottom of his heart?
That video?
The guy writing apartheid apologist commentary, funding fascist political groups here in Europe, advocates for the release of any arrested fascist or supremacist on the grounds of "free speech", and openly believes in Nazi created conspiracies like "White Genocide" and "Great Replacement Theory", threw up two consecutive Nazi salutes entirely by accident?
Uh... Do you really want me to pull out the side-by-side of Hitler and Musk saluting?
It was a Nazi Salute. He didn't do it accidentally. Look carefully at his face. He was doing his "little stinker" face. The one that he does whenever he things he's doing something "clever".
Stop being an apologist for an open fascist.
There's no doubt it looks almost exactly like a Nazi Salute
But the reality is that he was not actually doing a Nazi Salute. He's just a try-hard that, instead of just waving like a normal person, tried to be super intense and cool and ended up doing the Nazi Salute by accident
It's only a Nazi Salute if you ignore that he does it wrong at the start, doesn't say any Nazi phrase that accompanies the salute, has no reason to be done in that context, and that he literally said he was thanking people from his heart when he did it
But yeah, I guess if we want to ignore all the parts of reality that don't fit the narrative, I guess it is true
Elon can get fucked, but so can people who are more interested in pushing a narrative then acknowledging the truth
Dude, you are likely the single most delusional person I've ever met.
There's video out there showing Hitler and Musk performing the same salute side by side, INCLUDING THE HAND OVER THE FUCKING HEART!
It was a Nazi salute. Stop fluffing the trillionaire already!
The video is out there of him literally saying he's thanking people from his heart
Does it look like a Nazi Salute, absolutely. Was he actually going, "Heil Hitler"? No.
Elon can get fucked. But also, so can people who spread misinformation
He was trying to reproduce the dynamic of the OK hand sign.
What happened then is that neonazis online thought it would be hilarious to use the innocent sign as an in-joke. Leftists caught on quickly since they are obsessed with fascism coming back and the whole thing was quite public. Then the OK sign spread gradually from online self-professed neo-nazis to real life hard right politicians. Finally, when leftists said "this is a neo-nazi symbol", they got laughed at in the media by these rightist politicians along with the apolitical neutral commentators.
This had two effects : first, it paints the left as a bunch of crazies and the hard right as relaxed funny types by comparison; second, it acted as a shibboleth. What I mean by that is that if became possible to know people's politics by simply showing them the sign and asking "what is this?" — you'd get either a puzzled look, a denunciation of far right politics, or a knowing chuckle and wink.
Musk tried doing the same thing with his nazi salute : build some plausible deniability with the "I give my heart to you" comment, and then immediately afterward tweeting stuff like "the Nazi attack is sooo tired". The hard right base recognized the drill and started using it as a shibboleth too.
But it was too much too fast, the whole of MAGA wasn't ready to commit to literally Nazi salutes, so it was written off as Musk being a weirdo.
You can tell it wasnt a simple mistake because then Musk would have produced some kind of blabd corporate apology afterward, not immediately made nazi puns on social media
Are you a bot?
lol, I see this kind of dumb shit escaped reddit
I guess I should expect to see stupid people everywhere
The man stands on stage and says, "And I think you from the bottom of my heart" and then he taps his heart and waves
That's factually, actually, literally, what happened
Is also a Nazi Salute? Yes, and that's what makes it so fucking funny. The dude is that much of a fucking dipshit he accidentally gave the Nazi Salute
Did he stand on stage and literally Hail Hitler? No
https://lemmy.world/comment/24384122
Click the link coward and stop lying chud.
I assumed he did do one but not as an an endorsement of Nazis, but as an edgy “this will piss off the libs” kind of thing. Thoughts?
I don't even think he's that smart
I think he's just a fucking moron that didn't realize what he was doing. It's like something Peter Griffin would do on Family Guy except, in real life
It's hilarious and I'm not annoyed people are shitting on Elon, I'm annoyed people are so ready to see the worst in everything that they literally can't see one of the funniest fucking things that happened in a long time
I dunno I’m finding it hard to find it funny. Like a bit if what you’re saying is true and he’s that dumb, but I think he likely egged on some extremists.
It's so sad and strange to me that Elon still doesn't understand why people don't like him. Also, he doesn't understand that people don't have to like him either.
I've seen it with CEO types, they are egocentric so don't realize that not everyone wants to be like them, or hold the same beliefs. They prop up their fragile ego with "I'm the best, people want what I have" self talk.
He understands perfectly. He just likes playing the poor oppressed white guy.
Like most white South Africans I've encountered.
I've only met two, but ... yep. That tracks for them.
Very common with Rich people. They love trying to convince everyone that they're very hard done by. Most rich people would have you convinced they're poorer than you, if you let them.
I don't wonder if it's because he's bought and paid for so many "yes-men" around him, surrounded by sycophants when he sees people talk poorly about him, it just doesn't line up with his day to day world view he bought. I doubt a single engineer who works for him has ever told him no, or that what he's doing is dumb.
The reason they call him a nazi is because he's a nazi.
Yup.
Always nice to see SMN linked/mentioned! While I strongly like the channel and have learned so much from many of their videos I just don't have the mental energy to go into that mode anymore. The world situation is bad enough just from seeing news here on Lemmy and I've had the hardest two years of my life, both my dad and the closest friend I've ever had passed away and lots of other shit, so I can't handle watching their videos anymore. It's absolutely no issue with them, they do great work, it's just extra weight that, while important, doesn't affect me daily. Really want to get to a point where watching their videos is something to look forwards to, to have the energy to be mad about the world instead of a constant feeling of drowning.
You know what, I never clocked before that his fascination with the letter x is probably a substitute for a more infamous symbol. That makes way too much sense.
Close, but X in ascii code is 88, which is code for HH or heir hitler.
The exact sort of edgy joke he likes.
I'm pretty sure that his fascination with X began long before his becoming a Nazi. This is just a great coincidence that he could play up once he did decide to go the Nazi route.
There is at least one picture of him cosplaying as an SS officer from his early days, isn't there?
How early? His obsession with X goes back to his childhood apparently.
Early 20s, perhaps? Around the time he ditched school and became an (gasp) illegal alien. It might have been during his time in a school also, I dunno. It circled around pretty heavily on reddit back in the day, at least. Someone surely has a source.
I never really could stand the guy so I sort of made it a point to ignore the everliving fuck out if him.
Yeah, I wasn't fond of him in the early days and just basically rolled my eyes every time the Kaptain Ketamine fluffers would talk up his "great achievements" ... like buying a car company. Or buying a rocket company. Or buying a ...
Didn't take too long after that for the fact that he was just a thoroughly vile human being to start being obvious.
Remember that he's admitting that people want to kill him. Also remember that right after he did the Nazi Salute on live television, he was suddenly carrying his son around everywhere. A son, that by all accounts, he didn't seem to give too much of a shit about beforehand. He was using that kid as a human shield, folks. Most people wont shoot at a man holding a kid and he knew it.
both his daughter coming out trans and grimes dating chelsea "incel-lized" further him.
I hope he's paranoid. I hope every moment of his life is spent in fear of being killed by a stranger. Not the passive, "Someone's out to get me," fear, but real dread. The kind that makes you question the wind that blew across your neck. The kind that makes you wonder if that person you like being around actually likes being around you. The kind that makes you believe that maybe it would be easier to just...
I wish that on all billionaires. Their existence is a profane testament to human suffering.
He was using his son as a human shield a lot last year, he's definitely worried about getting sniped
Was about to post a similar comment. I hope every living second of his day is filled with paranoid thoughts of being murdered and that it drains every bit of his enjoyment no matter what he is doing.
I said earlier that I wanted ICE agents to feel like a deer that has just been released from the safety of a cage into the woods and is being hunted for sports, and I hope that same sense of dread is felt by all billionaires.
Still, who would complain about him getting murdered?
Maybe he would be more popular if he used his money and influence to create a better world. Say what you want about Gates, but that foundation of him and his wife saved tens of millions of lifes. It seems like Musk isn't even trying to create the illusion of using his money for the benefit of society.
I have a lot to say about Gates. He realized that he was an evil POS and decided to create his own foundation to push his own views on various things around the world. His work had some positive effects, some negative effects, and if he actually valued human life, he would have campaigned to raise taxes on the ultra-rich or paid his workers more.
Let's not pretend Bill has much humanity in him. He's almost as bad as Elon. That's better than nothing, for sure.
I'm not going to try to defend his more heinous actions, neither the ones early in his career nor the ones that came later in life, but it did truly feel like their foundation and what they did with it was more of a "we have the time and the money so why not do something positive and get good PR at the same time?" kind of thing.
He's certainly saved more lives than Musk, Thiel, Altman et al. have, put together. By far.
I still find it funny that he actually thought he could get drumpf to do something altruistic, though. That shit was both funny and sad at the same time.
His foundation pushed back against covid vaccines being open so poorer countries could afford them because he insists that someone needs to profit from shit his foundation does. It was like a continuation of his opposition to open source software (that he leaned on to develop the things that made Microsoft and then immediately hated because they were still free for others when he wanted to pull the ladder up). His foundation also tends to dominate charities it deals with because the surge of money makes them expand and then they can't afford to lose it.
Mixed bag.
A mixed bag is still better than the other sacks of shit, but I'm not going to waste any more time trying to defend him than this either. He's still a piece of shit.
Both can be right. I would like Elon Musk easily killed, and believe nobody should feel bad about it. Let's face it, Billionaires are a modern day plague killing us in various ways. As such I want them executed for crimes against humanity, but might settle for every last one of their assets and a vow of poverty enforced by the public.
No this one definitely needs corporal punishment. Hang him.
You mean capital punishment. Corporal punishment could be a literal slap on the wrist.
Caning to death is a bit more than slaps
Yes. And 'to death' elevates it to capital punishment.
Ah. Well, maybe resuscitate then after
They call you a Nazi, because you're a Nazi. The murder part is just a bonus.
The murder part is also just because he's a nazi.
He's also just a selfish cunt that is a stain on humanity
Nobody would think he was a problem if he wasn't also a Nazi, it's true.
Team 'both' checking in.
If you decide to act like a Nazi, you should die like a Nazi.
...and if you're a trillionaire, you should die ASAP even if you act like Mr. Rogers - sorry duder but humanity cannot afford you.
If someone had given Mr. Rogers a trillion dollars we'd be living in that "the future if ****" meme right now.
I like to think of someone gave a trillion dollars to Mr. Rogers he would have been a trillionaire for like a day, losing the title almost immediately as he redistributed it appropriately.
I imagine figuring out where to put the money and actually moving those amounts would take significantly longer, but... Yeah.
He'd end child hunger first
With a trillion? He could end all hunger, child or adult, and it would barely register on the mass of money involved.
To die on June 16, 1977 of pancreatic cancer in Alexandria, Virginia?
I'd prefer something more immediate, but beggars can't be choosers.
World's first trillionaire is just as worthless as he's always been.
Henry Ford, John Rockafeller, and Andrew Carnagie would be proud.
Hey, at least Ford realized that workers needed to be paid so he could sell more cars.
He loved Hitler
True, so he's only slightly smarter than Musk.
Why not both?
It's not like people ARE murdering Nazis in broad daylight, if anything it's the opposite, and has always been for the past 30 years if not more.
Oh, bringing logic to an Elon discussion? You're gonna get called woke, or whatever the fuck his buzzword for people he can't dupe he doesn't like is today.
russia did a good job normalizing them, because it fits with right wing narratives in alot of white dominated countries
Drugs is a helluva drug.
It's pretty much a fact, yes. But if I had to stand behind the smelly president with eyes & cameras pointed at me for doG knows how long, I'd be fidgety too.
He chose that... He could have just not did the doge thing..
All I'm saying is that above behavior is not the reason I hate him, and it's not necessarily drug-induced. Being fidgety in itself is valid behavior.
Wow this is a dark fucking "every accusation is an admission".
I was pretty sure elon has been trying to call hits on people through Twitter... this clinched it.
Thankfully he's such a fucking loser nobody has taken him up on it. Real "boy i just wanna rock out at one of your sick parties what days are your best parties I'd really love to come on the day of your wildest party" energy.
Hungarian here, the moment saying the word "nazi" became "politically incorrect", the concept of a "far right" became unspeakable in public discourse, even if someone wore nazi memorabilia in public, and we were told to never ever again use the tern "far right" in public. It took a decade of "FideSS" and the government's public apathy to growing right wing extremism to fix things, and not everything is back to "normal" (at least anti-Roma sentiment is less popular now, same with anti-LGBTQIA+).
thats the point ketamine musk, have you not seen inglorius bastards, or
If he's worried about people wanting to kill him, maybe he shouldn't have fucked over so many people with DOGE. That probably made the list of people who want him dead a lot longer.
(Heavy Brian Blessed voice) This is no man
People encouraged others to murder him because he's an evil dragon hoarding more wealth than his entire extended family could ever spend in all their lifetimes while directly killing people through USAID and other illegal cuts that never actually made a budgetary difference. Their argument is: if billionaires shouldn't exist, trillionaires definitely shouldn't...
blasphemy against dragons
And he's wrong. We don't want people to murder him. We want him to decide that he's going to personally settle Mars and go on a space mission and live out the rest of his days in outer space, or inner space, or at least on another planet, far from us.
If he gets to Mars, great. We still don't have to deal with him. If he doesn't get there, then at least he'll have some kind of ironic ending.
Also, if you look at the impact that cutting USAid has, he's one of the good biggest mass murderers in human history.
No, I want him to serve the rest of his life in prison, with his withered dick, ruminating on how he ended up in a tiny dungeon, even though he had all that money, and should be living the most luxurious life on the planet.
I'll settle for murder.
Yeah, I've done some analysis and it turns out that the world at large would be fine, everything would still work.
Waste of of resources, the fucker's circling a perpetual khole, he'll fall in of his own accord
The fixation on USAID is really annoying, as it's a known front for intelligence services that provides aid as a second-order benefit. Doggedly insisting that millions of people are dying because USAID doesn't exist is a cop-out. US foreign policy focused on encircling, embargoing, arming dissidents, and outright bombing public infrastructure creates far more pain and suffering than anything USAID resolves. The real crimes of the Musk Administration have been on the Pentagon side of the equation - facilitating military actions in Sudan and Ethiopia, the Philippines, Libya, Syria, Gaza and the West Bank, and Iran - through his Starlink network.
He's a mass murderer because he provides material support for mass murder, not because he cut back on the CIA's "Food for Snitches" program.
Well no. There was a program that gave people food. It also did other things. He cut the food, said he wouldn't allow people to starve, and then they did... Did he expect them to die? Yes. Did everyone predict that they would? Yes. Did he have control over all of it? Yes... That's on him and his underlings.
It gave private businesses grant money to build out capital in neighborhoods controlled by politicians that the US supported. It gave local agri-business loans to consolidate farmland, then bought the farm product at a markup to redistribute to other private organizations affiliated with US allies. Always in pursuit of some kind of political angle or diplomatic gain. Often this means exporting food from the country to sell to grocers in the Global North.
This is how USAID operated in El Salvador during the Bush and Obama eras.
...
USAID is not a famine-prevention program. Its goal is not to save lives. Its leadership is not charged with a charitable mission. It is a tool of the State Department to promote fringe parties, bribe existing governments, and extort opposition parties that have inherited infrastructure laid down by prior administrations.
And when they're not bribing government officials, they're distributing right-wing video games to teenagers in order to spy on and radicalize them.
If you're wondering why Nayib Bukele is running El Salvador today, there's a straight line between his current administration and this kind of US intervention.
It's obviously multi purpose, but its main purpose is humanitarian aid that saves lives and keeps our national reputation out of the gutter.
One of the things that has kept us from going the way of the Soviet Union is having most of our international meddling being saving lives and fixing things. It at least partly makes up for (or at least distracts from) the heinous shit we do as well.
Him saying people want to kill me just might be the reason someone kills him evtl.
I mean yeah, Eat the Rich and such, but honestly I don't want these people dead. I want them held accountable.
The problem is that these oligarchs are richer than entire countries. Noone is powerful enough to hold them accountable, and noone ever will.
A single dollarstore drone packed with explosives on the other hand...
I want them cowed to mundanity
I want legal wording that'll make it so he has to give up half his fortune back to the world economies that he operates in.
That would be the perfect fuck you. Making legal wording at the UN (and BRICS) and making it illegal to be able to be that rich and once you get that rich you're forced to evenly redistribute half your fortune to the countries you do business in.
If you don’t want them dead you’re part of the problem.
Guy who spends vast fortunes finding, organizing, and financing far-right criminal gangs to commit violent crimes against non-white population centers: "They are only calling me names because they want to hurt me."
Melanie is correct and fuck Leon Hitler. The asswipe neo-Nazi should be deported and stripped of US and Canadian citizenships.
Where the fuck is the white supremacy. This guy literally thinks he's superior to everyone on top of it.
I don’t understand why people think he is smarter than average and why he has such an ego, he sounds like a lot of managers I have had who got to their position impressing uninformed people by repeating things he hears engineers say (usually incorrectly)
it's worse than that. he sounds like every insecure, self-aggrandizing, semi-handicapped 20 year old who ever worked a bottle return at a supermarket.
he's a man that NOBODY would ever pay attention to if he weren't rich.
would be have any kind of internet following if he was joe blow instead of elon musk? fucking nope.
So you do understand.
"how is it that the world's richest man is also the world's biggest loser?"
Financial obesity is an existential threat to any society that tolerates it, and needs to cease being celebrated, rewarded, and positioned as an aspirational goal.
Corporations are the only ‘persons’ which should be subjected to capital punishment, but trillionaires should be forced to transition into billionaires, and billionaires should be euthanised through taxation.
Don't forget the mom and dad that also seem weirdly Nazi themed.
His dad is a freak. He married his own step daughter.
And his falling out with his father may have been because he wanted to marry his step sister instead.
More of a side perk.
Can't it be both?
Not isn't, but what a great idea! Thanks fElon!
LIQUIDATE MUSK
(Financially, in Minecraft)
More effective in real life.
No, the reason I encourage people to murder him is because he’s a nazi.
Puts possibly the largest target on themselves of anybody in history.
People want to kill me? Well fucking duh, how about not trying to be the richest drug addict white supremacist carnival barker in history. Did you think that lying to everyone with a PR team to run cover for you would last forever.
Do you want to read a terrible joke?
A trillionaire and the richest man in the world walk into a bar. Bartender says: "what will it be mr Musk?"
Elon Musk - Biggest loser of all time. Donnie being runner up to having the smallest 🍆 in the US.
He could quickly end this constant fear by lowering his net worth to a human-scale level with no practical impact to his lifestyle.
Just do literally anything besides be a gigantic asshole with all his wealth. He couldn't even manage to help save those kids in that cave without being a fucking dick about it. Dude needs to stfu and go to therapy.
Also he didn't save those kids in that cave and, indeed, his proposed solution would likely have wound up in their deaths.
So he reacted like any sane, normal, well-adjusted human would: he called the guy who actually did the saving a pedo.
... but also the murder thing. Eat the rich. And currently that can be interpreted as singular or plural and still mean him.
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Inter alia / But wait, there’s more!
Like he murdered 600,000 children?
One day I'll be a trillionaire
Just need2 put fare on air
Then we trump up a scare
Taking money in ways fair
At least deems capitalism
Hu cares? I-got-mine-ism!
People that earn thier money dont have any delusions of being a victim.
We allowed it, so to complain is only an indictment against ourselves.
Wouldn’t you worry using X for this kind of post, it would be shadow modded or its visibility heavily reduced by the algorithms?
What algorithm exactly? This ain't reddit
What are you talking about
Are you saying Melon Husk should be worried using X?