Hey now, let's be clear. Stephen King did not have the clown defeated by a bunch of outcast youths gangbanging in a sewer. That's just patently incorrect. Every single part. No, he had the ancient terror disguised as a clown temporarily banished by summoning an ancient turtle from the dawn of time and engaging It in a battle of wills. Completely different and, in fact, perfectly reasonable. Anyone that's actually read the book knows the outcast youth sewer gangbang happens after that and actually has no bearing on the plot whatsoever. Stephen King's not some freak writing a book where the entire plot hinges on a bunch of traumatized kids screwing each other to save the world, no; he's a perfectly normal guy writing about a bunch of traumatized kids screwing each other for no reason at all. Bet you feel real silly now, huh?
How the hell is that related? Those lads were merely showing a circle can be made with numerous stiff rods, a precursor to calculus. It has nothing to do with ancient terrors, god-like turtles or traumatized children having a gangbang in a sewer after killing what they thought was a supernatural clown. For shame!
Was there not some time traveling component? Like their future selves had to find each other again and come back ti their childhoods. I thought that was what made the "children having sex" part not as triggering as it sounds,because they were actually adults. Mind you, it's been years since I read the book. I might be misremembering things.
"Nigomichisichason is technically 1000 years old so when I jerk it to Rule 34 fan art, I'm not actually jerking it to anime of a kid even though she looks and acts exactly like one"
No, it is even more bizarre. They have sex because the group is lost in the sewer and apparently this makes them know where they are, somehow, so they can leave, which they then do. It adds literally nothing to the plot, apart from really shoddy symbolism of growing up.
My ex went on to get a PhD in English with Stephen king as a specific area of interest and I'm glad I don't know exactly the email to send what you said, well it would be super awkward and probably misunderstood
I am fairly certain that Stephen King was molested as a child, it's a recurring theme in his work in a way that seems less like an attempt to depict a general/universal fear and way more like he's just working through his own trauma. IT isn't even the best example, he's got a short story called The Library Policeman that is not subtle about it at all. Incedentally, I first read that short story in elementary school, worked better as a stranger danger warning than anything else.
I went in knowing nothing about the book other than there was a supernatural clown in it. When I read that scene I had to stop, then go online to find an explanation of what the fuck I just read (to be fair, I was also pretty confused by the denouement in general) and how it is related to the plot. I was absolutely baffled by the amount of people saying they thought it was fine to have, some people even said it was a good allegory for leaving childhood.
There is a scene in the book "It" where the only girl in the friend group decides to have sex with all the others to bring them back together. Down in the sewers.
Describing it as porn is wildly inaccurate, it's not particularly detailed or explicit and it's not written in a way that even comes close to being erotic
Today I learned everyone with a copy of the book 'It' is in possession of CSAM, and amazon and Barnes and noble are actively and criminally distributing the same material.
At least in the US, I'm not sure if purely textual would ever be illegal. You could likely get away with a visual depiction of the scence with current law.
The Pedophile-in-Chief is ok with it, even though he personally prefers them to be teenaged, he'll gladly start a war and crash the global economy to defend him and his pedo pals from too much scrutiny in the Epstein files.
The second one. It preys on innocent childish fears, so kill that part of you. Haha, so clever, makes sense in universe I guess. But like, why would you make your universe that way?
Cause when you use drugs, you are in the deepest, darkest corners of your psyche. You usually start taking drugs because you either want to silence that part of yourself, or because you feel like a piece of shit because of the thoughts you have in your head. Ultimately, healing comes from realising that everyone experiences thoughts like that, they just decide to not live out the thoughts.
His early work was exceptionally good. Tommy knockers, Needful Things, Salem's Lot, Misery, Stand By Me, were all pretty good. Not a fan of some of his latest stuff.
His books are variable, but they usually have like 300 pages of genuinely good character development and scene setting, an inciting horrible incident and then another 100 pages of suspension-of-disbelief. All of the film adaptations I've seen are pretty bad though.
Shawshank? Shining? Mist? Green Mile? Misery? Maybe not everything is a winner, but these are pretty classic movies and some like Pet Sematary, Thinner, Carrie, Dream Catcher and many others are not bad movies. The Running Man wasn't super well made (old one) but a decent movie for it's time. I haven't even seen half of his adapted works and I just rattled off 10 movies that pretty universally are not seen as "pretty bad":
I latent agree with that for all of his books, except for the Dark Tower series. I actually think the Dark Tower series is pretty good. It's very different from his other books though.
read the book and tell us if it's any good? if you're morally opposed to reading some book because of a fictional scene that disgusts you then stick to childrens books
It's a weird and completely unnecessary scene narratively speaking but it's not even close to porn. It's one of many similar examples in King's writing, seems like the guy was molested as a kid and tried working through it with his writing
Hey now, let's be clear. Stephen King did not have the clown defeated by a bunch of outcast youths gangbanging in a sewer. That's just patently incorrect. Every single part. No, he had the ancient terror disguised as a clown temporarily banished by summoning an ancient turtle from the dawn of time and engaging It in a battle of wills. Completely different and, in fact, perfectly reasonable. Anyone that's actually read the book knows the outcast youth sewer gangbang happens after that and actually has no bearing on the plot whatsoever. Stephen King's not some freak writing a book where the entire plot hinges on a bunch of traumatized kids screwing each other to save the world, no; he's a perfectly normal guy writing about a bunch of traumatized kids screwing each other for no reason at all. Bet you feel real silly now, huh?
What the fuck are you on about? Nothing you said is remotely true, this is a gross misinterpretation of the events depicted in the book.
It's not a gangbang, it's a train. They go one after the other.
I thought that in order to be a train they should be connected to each other.
That's a centipede
::: spoiler There is an old painting about this. Tho they are adults. :::
(Tuhfet Ul-Mulk by Shayk Al-Misri, 1773)
(This is illustrated version of the Turkish translation from 1400s and there is an older, Arabic version from 1300s according to carbon-dating)
Surprised nobody's volunteered to write the English caption yet.
One might say, they couldn't be arsed.
How the hell is that related? Those lads were merely showing a circle can be made with numerous stiff rods, a precursor to calculus. It has nothing to do with ancient terrors, god-like turtles or traumatized children having a gangbang in a sewer after killing what they thought was a supernatural clown. For shame!
What's a clown master time-pilgrim? Is it in likeness of a jester?
Edit: Wait nvm just read wikipedia page on clowns they go WAY back. And used to be religious?
Have you ever seen BigTop Burger?
That's the "train position" you're referring to. It's different from "running a train".
Why? I don't know.
The latter comes with a stripey hat and a steam whistle.
And this was the stuff he got published. I’d dread to read his drafts and unreleased material from that era.
Was there not some time traveling component? Like their future selves had to find each other again and come back ti their childhoods. I thought that was what made the "children having sex" part not as triggering as it sounds,because they were actually adults. Mind you, it's been years since I read the book. I might be misremembering things.
So ... adult-minds having sex with children's bodies?
That makes it worse!
"They're actually 900 years old" or something
Ah, the classic anime workaround.
"Nigomichisichason is technically 1000 years old so when I jerk it to Rule 34 fan art, I'm not actually jerking it to anime of a kid even though she looks and acts exactly like one"
No, it is even more bizarre. They have sex because the group is lost in the sewer and apparently this makes them know where they are, somehow, so they can leave, which they then do. It adds literally nothing to the plot, apart from really shoddy symbolism of growing up.
Sounds like sense8 but your kid self hitches a ride or something. What the what Stephen
Well if that's in there, 12 year old me definitely missed it.
I remember it being for the need to destroy their innocence or something
It was actually closer to needing to restore the power of friendship
Couldn't they just like... go minigolfing or something?
No minigolf in Derry, or laser tag
Is this a copypasta
not currently
My ex went on to get a PhD in English with Stephen king as a specific area of interest and I'm glad I don't know exactly the email to send what you said, well it would be super awkward and probably misunderstood
I am fairly certain that Stephen King was molested as a child, it's a recurring theme in his work in a way that seems less like an attempt to depict a general/universal fear and way more like he's just working through his own trauma. IT isn't even the best example, he's got a short story called The Library Policeman that is not subtle about it at all. Incedentally, I first read that short story in elementary school, worked better as a stranger danger warning than anything else.
Cocaine is a hell of a drug...
Washed down with some Listerine according to his On Writing autobio
Fuck, that's nasty.
Which flavor? Napalm Mint™? Yellow Horse Breath? Amethyst Apocalypse?
edit: Now I've got a 3pc band in my head of straightedge Mr. Cleans w/ scrubby-bubble brushstaches in Ned Flanders fit, called The Listerines.
I went in knowing nothing about the book other than there was a supernatural clown in it. When I read that scene I had to stop, then go online to find an explanation of what the fuck I just read (to be fair, I was also pretty confused by the denouement in general) and how it is related to the plot. I was absolutely baffled by the amount of people saying they thought it was fine to have, some people even said it was a good allegory for leaving childhood.
It is an allegory. But that is a certainly not a good one and should be not a choice to be used as one.
Don't get it
There is a scene in the book "It" where the only girl in the friend group decides to have sex with all the others to bring them back together. Down in the sewers.
Also, this friend group is all children. Not teenages of age, or even teenagers of questionable age, children.
The book has child porn in it. A group fuck where they all fuck the girl.
Not joking.
Describing it as porn is wildly inaccurate, it's not particularly detailed or explicit and it's not written in a way that even comes close to being erotic
Today I learned everyone with a copy of the book 'It' is in possession of CSAM, and amazon and Barnes and noble are actively and criminally distributing the same material.
Words have meaning.
At least in the US, I'm not sure if purely textual would ever be illegal. You could likely get away with a visual depiction of the scence with current law.
The Pedophile-in-Chief is ok with it, even though he personally prefers them to be teenaged, he'll gladly start a war and crash the global economy to defend him and his pedo pals from too much scrutiny in the Epstein files.
Pretty sure this is case law from like 70 years ago, but okay rant on
The fuck who read that shit Stephen is disgusting
I think a lot of people never saw it coming. He was on a lot of drugs at the time.
That said, in every single book he wrote, he has very elaborate scenes where a person urinates themselves. Every. Single. Book.
I think he actually avoided that in The Stand by having Harold cum on himself.
I’m certain someone did. At least he came on himself and not in a middle school child.
On the one hand, I kinda get the logic. On the other, Stephen no, wtf.
You get the logic… of… peeing or the middle school gang bang to defeat a monster?
The second one. It preys on innocent childish fears, so kill that part of you. Haha, so clever, makes sense in universe I guess. But like, why would you make your universe that way?
Cause when you use drugs, you are in the deepest, darkest corners of your psyche. You usually start taking drugs because you either want to silence that part of yourself, or because you feel like a piece of shit because of the thoughts you have in your head. Ultimately, healing comes from realising that everyone experiences thoughts like that, they just decide to not live out the thoughts.
Because Stephen King has sexual trauma from his childhood and has been working through it with his writing the entire time
I guess. I mean, he’s a pervert who wants to watch kids fuck. You know he jerked off after writing it.
Why do people love this guy
His early work was exceptionally good. Tommy knockers, Needful Things, Salem's Lot, Misery, Stand By Me, were all pretty good. Not a fan of some of his latest stuff.
I think his latest stuff is pretty good. The Mr. Mercedes and Holly series are an interesting take on a detective series, IMO.
Didn't forget Shawshank redemption.
The Four Seasons one is my favorite. Except for the Winter story.
I don’t know. His books aren’t that great. His movie adaptations are just okay.
He has some early work that was good and got a lot of attention. It was back in the prime days of horror novels. Right place right time. That’s all.
With the right amount of cocaine I think you or I could probably give him a run for his money
His books are variable, but they usually have like 300 pages of genuinely good character development and scene setting, an inciting horrible incident and then another 100 pages of suspension-of-disbelief. All of the film adaptations I've seen are pretty bad though.
Shawshank? Shining? Mist? Green Mile? Misery? Maybe not everything is a winner, but these are pretty classic movies and some like Pet Sematary, Thinner, Carrie, Dream Catcher and many others are not bad movies. The Running Man wasn't super well made (old one) but a decent movie for it's time. I haven't even seen half of his adapted works and I just rattled off 10 movies that pretty universally are not seen as "pretty bad":
Is using cocaine the writing equivalent of the programmer's Ballmer Peak?
I think, in his case, the more he did the more he produced.
However, he’s very public about having no recollection or writing many of his books.
I wish I could say “damn, I don’t ever remember making that app. It made a million you say? Wow”
I latent agree with that for all of his books, except for the Dark Tower series. I actually think the Dark Tower series is pretty good. It's very different from his other books though.
read the book and tell us if it's any good? if you're morally opposed to reading some book because of a fictional scene that disgusts you then stick to childrens books
It's not. evil asshole
you think IT is non-fiction?
It's a weird and completely unnecessary scene narratively speaking but it's not even close to porn. It's one of many similar examples in King's writing, seems like the guy was molested as a kid and tried working through it with his writing
He was extremely coked out of his mind during those years.
Famously has no memory of writing Tommy Knockers
Probably just wrote up his dreams LOL
Let’s put it this way, enough people read IT that IT got three movies and a TV series.
The kids defeated the clown by fucking
No they celebrated defeating the clown by fucking.
Did they even thank the turtle?
"And you thought I was fucked up? I didn't have anything to do with that! I just eat children!"
Oh come on use the original.
(also maybe don't do child gang bangs in your books, its a bit weird)