When Will Americans Realize the Truth? Republicans Wreck the Economy.
Will 2026 finally be the year when a critical mass of Americans wakes up and realizes that Republicans always screw up the economy?
Donald Trump inherited an economy from Joe Biden that was perhaps not firing on all cylinders but was in pretty good shape all the same.
For the third straight time, a Democratic president handed a Republican president an economy that was at the least pretty good, and at most (Bill Clinton) really humming along very nicely. And, for the third straight time, the Republican has made things worse. Which also means that Democratic presidents have to clean up messes left by their GOP predecessors.
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Republicans dont care about the economy, they care about their wallets. They will keep voting for any red tie that makes them pay one penny fewer in April and call anyone who disagrees foolish.
I can't stand these people and im fuckin drowning in them
All the ones I’ve met that still support the current government only care about hurting queers.
The ones I know say they hate all of this but a Dem would be worse so…
As my eyes roll so hard they fall out.
What will likely happen is that when we finally get a Democrat in next election, all the bad shit Trump caused will just be blamed on the Democrats who just got into office.
Literally happened when Trump arranged for the military to pull out of Iraq...during the next president's term. I don't remember if it happened after he lost the election or not, but Biden got blamed for how the pullout with no time to prepare went, anyway...
That was Afghanistan, but that's exactly what happened. If I remember correctly trump committed to the pullout after the election. Literally causing incalculable suffering just to spite his opponent
I think even if this was on billboards and schools started to teach this basic fact, it would take decades for it to finally sink in.
I cannot tell you how many "non political" people tend to believe it, too. I could see dumbass cult members parroting nonsense talking points about how magical Republicans are on the economy, but the fact that people that barely pay attention believe it is just exhausting.
Far too many idiots think: "the government should be run like a business, and Republicans bend over the hardest for business, therefore we should put a Republican in as a President-as-CEO, preferably someone also from the world of business".
It's all so very fucking stupid, starting with the very premise...
In the presence of continued propaganda from the GQP and the duplicity of the Fourth Estate supporting and distributing that propaganda I don't think it will ever sink in.
Oligarch owned mainstream news providers have become Republican disinformation tools - slightly veiled versions of Fox News held to no standard at all. Facts have little chance against widespread lies repeated constantly almost everywhere.
Hell, even before Faux came along, the mainstream media was and is embarrassingly skewed to the right.
But that was not enough for the Bircher types. They resented that something like Watergate was allowed to bring down their Nixon. They needed outlets that were ridiculously, cartoonishly even, right wing. And they had the balls to call them "fair and balanced".
The funniest thing is when you see some Bircher bitching about how Faux is "woke" or something unhinged like that.
I mean, Network skewered the corporate capture of news quite well, and that was 50 years ago.
The liberal media helped fascism grow in the 1920s and 1930s in America. They also did the same the second time in the mid 2010s to now.
edit: seems quite a few don't like to acknowledge reality
Explain how liberal media supports fascism
The entire system, which is propped up by the media, supports fascism. Media is nothing more than the propaganda arm of oligarchy.
bingo
These guys can do it way better than I ever could, and way more in depth (it's a 2 parter).
edit: I'll add that this is the "Behind The Bastards" podcast so anyone else can find this in the future
And by liberal media, I'm assuming you are talking about the corporate media that the conservatives all call "liberal media".
I certainly don't mean leftist media, but the prevailing liberal media conglomerate is what I'm referring to. So yeah I guess.
There have been less than 48 DNC senators for over 13 years now, the majority of the 2010s to now, so I'm interpreting this as you somehow thinking the GOP are liberals...?
What do you think "media" means? Does it mean Congress?
Ooooh, okay, I get it, you're saying the liberal media somehow enabled fascism while not being fascists themselves?
Take a look at the Behind the Bastards link I shared in another comment in this chain. You too can learn all about it.
Nah you don't have enough credit in my book for me to click your links. I accept your resignation, sucks to suck.
Republicucks always said they were fiscally conservative. It's always been what they touted as a defining characteristic when you took idealogy tests.
Turns out, that was all lip service. At least for the last few decades.
Oh conservatives have always loved to spend money, just on things like weapons for "defense" and not like, people.
They just want a strong Daddy type (or a facsimile of one, like PEDOnald, who strikes me as one of the most effete people in the public eye, but I digress. It doesn't have to make sense to people of average+ intelligence) that tells them it's okay to say the N-word, grab women by the pussy, burn whatever you want and cut everything down, and own the libz by rolling coal on bicyclists and sneaking meat into the diets of vegans or whatever.
That's pretty much it.
All the other lofty rhetoric coming from conservatives is just window dressing.
Of course the donor class running the party just wants tax cuts and businesses to be completely unrestrained by law.
That's just the double speak they use to justify not spending money on stuff they don't like (social programs). They gladly spend money on defense (welfare for the wealthy).
The ironic thing is how many businesses were started with a big fat loan?
They won't.
Many of them are stupid. Many are poorly informed.
But many of them are operating with stupid axioms. They would rather suffer and die personally if it meant those people got it worse.
If you offered free health care, guns, and hamburgers to everyone but it meant that black people got it too, a lot of Americans would say no
The Confederacy should have been burned to the ground, its leaders and supporters hanged and their bodies left to rot in the sun.
Amen. Instead they were coddled, allowed to put up statues (of their loss lmao), and left to fester.
If anyone out there has any good recommendations for books about what happened after the war and why the losers just got to walk off the field, I’d appreciate ‘em!
It's not about the confederacy itself but look up the book "Forget the Alamo: The Rise and Fall of an American Myth" to learn how a relatively unimportant location in Texas has become an international symbol of defiance and American spirit... when it was a bunch of slave owners invading Mexico, ignoring the laws, then stealing the land.
The book covers the history of Alamo, and the battle of the Alamo is only in the first quarter, it goes all the way to modern era. It helps show how that group twists myths to their advantage.
Long story short the Union was worried splitting the country or hamstringing the southern economy would weaken the US and make it vulnerable to other world powers (we weren't one yet). Much like Ukraine now, we were a former colony fighting a brutal war with the newest tech (which later revolutionized warfare eg trench warfare a la Longstreet) and there were military observers, advisers, and adventurers from many other countries here watching everything go down. Also they were sniffing around for weakness.
The people in charge of surrendering didn't want to die, and wanted to continue to live cushy lives. Most of the Union didn't want to march all the way to the gulf killing every confederate on the way there. Even today, a good chunk of the south holds resentment for losing the war as badly as they did. When faced between allowing some shit bags to get off with a slap on the wrist, or murdering half the country and drawing out the war, the choice was pretty obvious.
https://blogs.lse.ac.uk/lsereviewofbooks/2017/08/02/book-review-white-trash-the-400-year-untold-history-of-class-in-america-by-nancy-isenberg/
And the purpose of those statues was to make sure black people knew to stay in their place.
https://www.npr.org/2017/08/20/544266880/confederate-statues-were-built-to-further-a-white-supremacist-future
I come from the south, I know my heritage has a confederate officer in it.
John Brown did nothing wrong.
huzzah
In the future, that last statement may finally come true.
They are easily manipulated by propaganda, and Republicans have weaponized that for years, leading to where we are today. They've used that propaganda superiority to define and control the messaging for decades, all of it negative and self-serving.
So the Dems should do the same thing, but with POSITIVE propaganda, and pound them relentlessly with new messaging, accompanied with positive reinforcement, and take control of the definitions and messaging.
The worst part is that this time the effects are affecting everyone in the world. Fuck you trump. You fat cunt 🖕
It affects the whole world each time.
Especially considering Trump was one of the two outcomes for the last 3 elections or 12 years, and a GOP candidate is one of the two outcomes every single election.
every 4-8 years. then they forget in 2.
Well they won't need to worry about this anymore because Republicans aren't going anywhere regardless of what happens. A fascist authoritarian government will be there for the next decade.
We've seen Republicans wreck the Clinton economy and the Obama economy, both of which were very good. The one-term Biden economy wasn't sturdy enough yet to withstand their bullshit as well.
Plus, it was so devastated by Trump and Covid, that the best Biden could do was save it from absolute and utter disaster.
Which he actually did manage to do
Yeah it was never great, but sometimes great isn't on the table. It was better than most countries were doing and it wasn't crashing. In fact the biggest thing you can say about it is every year a crash was expected and avoided
IIRC it was said that the economy at the end of Biden's term was amazing.
Trump has been uniquely economically irresponsible. Stuff like the tariffs changing every week is just insanely stupid.
"Will 2026 finally be the year when a critical mass of Americans wakes up and realizes that Republicans always screw up the economy?"
I live in a red state.
LOL. LMAO even.
They WILL vote against their interests as long as the R is next to the name.
Leftists are just too ethical to trick them like Sinema or Fettermam (even though progressive policy is extremely popular when you don't say it's progressive).
I imagine the GOP would actually do something about it though, unlike the Democrats
My state has a supermajority Republicans for the last ten or so years. The cities police are under control over the state instead of the cities themselves. Crime has risen... but they still parrot that "liberal cities are crime infested" (feature not a bug), we can vote on bills through a petition process, they're trying to kneecap that, while the past few bills pass overwhelmingly progressive parts but the Republican supermajority either reintroduces the bill with confusing language to overturn it, overturns it directly while saying "People didn't know what they were voting for", or just outright ignores it (We put into our constitution for medicaid expansion. They've not implemented it in over five years, just ignoring it). We're now a flyover state that is about to get rid of income tax and increase sales tax, despite the two major population centers are right on the border for other states.
Yet our idiots that live here keep voting for these assholes.
It's not Republicans it's just the RINOs! /s
It's not even the wrecking of the economy that really gets to me about this latest Republican administration. That's a pattern for sure, but this admin grifts right off the top, in plain sight. The Trump phones, the ballrooms, the sweetheart deals for friends, the IRS decision that puts taxpayer funds directly into the President's pocket.
I can't think of another admin that has so openly stolen from US citizens.
For me it's how they murdered millions of people by cutting USAID and suing to keep the ready-to-distribute aid locked up in a warehouse until it expired.
Honestly, the crypto bribes and the epstein files are all pretty bad, but that murder of millions by starvation for no point but cruelty itself is what gets me.
That is a good point. There's a lot of overt cruelty which seems to Literally exist to "own the libs", as Onion-y as it sounds. It's quite disgusting considering the party pretty much owns everything at the moment.
Schoolyard charades, but with higher stakes and real, human victims, at scale.
I've been waiting 20+ years for Republicans to wake up. They will never wake up. So many uncrossable lines have been crossed and yet they still maintain their momentum and people fall over themselves to vote for them in elections.
The problem is twofold:
Most people are chronically unaware or ignorant of who represents them. Even terminally online political junkies often don't do any research into the candidates they vote for, and they don't follow up on whether or not their campaign promises were fulfilled. They lock in and vote R all the way down the ballot. To be completely fair™ and balanced™ - Democrats are also guilty of this and will happily vote for the D all the way down the ballot which is how we end up with progressive candidates running 3rd party in primaries losing to DINO incumbents.
There is too much disconnect between which parties in government are responsible for which policies. Many people believe the president has far more power than they actually do. In reality, outside of executive orders and appointing SCOTUS judges, the largest political impact a president has is to be a veto on legs. Congress are the ones who truly hold the power, but because you are represented by one U.S. house representative for your district and two senators for your state, it's easy for people to think that their vote for those seats, win or lose, has little impact in shaping national policy. But even when their party has a majority (albeit slim), Republicans rarely draft any kind of legislation that is aimed to help their constituents or fulfill their campaign promises. People never check their reps voting records to see that they barely show up for their jobs, and that when they do, it's usually to cast a deciding vote against something that would help their constituents tremendously if passed. It all circles back around to people not bothering to do research or follow up with their votes in any way.
Voting to a lot of people is a team sport, and if their team is winning then all is right with the world. The bad things are happening because the others caused it, or are preventing it from being fixed. It can never be because they made a bad decision and voted in someone terrible into office. It's always someone else's fault. If good things are happening, it's because they made the right decision all along and they are succeeding in spite of opposition - no need to even bother checking if the guy who represents you voted in favor of the good thing or not!
It's much simpler. The problem is Fox et al.
No, because the media is controlled by Republicans.
The fact that they'd rather have a convicted felon pedophile in office promising to detain/deprive other humans of basic needs and deport them from the country with no due process for the heinous crime of being here illegally, over a woman... speaks volumes.
Racism/misogyny/bigotry are top priority.
They won't.
Every damn time the Democrats take over they decrease the deficit. Then when Republicans take over, they increase the deficit. Then, come the generals again, the Republicans blame the Democrats for the deficit - every 👏 damn 👏 time 👏 - and their voters still swallow it. This is because of several reasons:
The progressives need to dump the moral high ground. They need to say aloud what everyone knows: the Republicans have been ruining the economy for decades. They need to encourage voter turnout and to call the Republicans anti democratic because they want degenerate lowlifes who watch chud streamers to go against the teachings of Christ and turn the US to Russia #2.
The high road doesn't work and actively empowers the Republicans.
EDIT: fixed bad framing in regards to the deficit.
The deficit goes up exponentially faster under Republicans
Sorry, wrong framing. I did mean that the deficit increases under republicans and down under democrats.
I understood your point, but I was more trying to call attention to the rate they spend. Democratic leadership doesn't run a surplus since the 90's but they spend at a significantly lower rate than Republicans, who scream about any money that is not spent benefiting their specific interests
Conservatism heavily relies on lifestyle marketing. You're not voting for promises, but for a lifestyle.
And licence to hate
Their mantra is FREEDOM, despite wanting to do nothing but take away everyone else's.
But the freedom they're talking about is Freedom To...not Freedom From...
As in freedom to be an unrepentant racist, homophobic , transphobic asshole.
Meanwhile the otherside is losing their freedom from hate, torment, persecution...
Biden had the post COVID and global inflation crises to deal with, every nation suffered the same, some more than others, the US less than most. He didn't do too bad.
Trump doesn't give a rats ass about the economy, his entire purpose was to enrich himself and his friends.
Biden (and now Trump) also had that pesky little commitment to giving billions of dollars to a genocidal apartheid ethnostate with free healthcare.
Israel controls America's politicians because the supreme court enabled systemic political corruption by foreign states
That really needs to be repealed
Supreme court decisions that harm national security should be reviewed by the military and a special politically balanced court, the system places too much power in the hands of too few individuals. Lifelong jobs for politically appointed justices are you nuts. It's a platform for tyranny.
Israel controls America's politicians because they are either quietly-corrupt feckless liberals or openly-corrupt fascists. Sure, fuck the Supreme Court too 100%, but you shouldn't absolve people for the blame of their own actions / decisions. The politicians still choose (mostly) to take the money.
Otherwise I agree yeah.
Yeah thats true they fall for it almost every time
“When will Romans learn the truth? Caesar is…”
“When will Russians learn the truth? The Aristocracy is…”
“When will Germans learn the truth? The nazi party is…”
Going by history, the answer is, if ever, at the end.
You're making the mistake of believing them when they use "good economic management" as the reason behind their vote
It's a lie
They don't really care about the economy.
"The Economy" is lofty, worthy, and who could argue against someone who is for a stronger economy?
They will vote republican because republicans don't just allow their hate and ignorance, they tell them that they are righteous for it
Not one of them could tell you what GDP means, or how fiscal policy affects inflation, but they can tell you exactly who is on the long list of people they hate and fear
Not saying it was all Clinton, but Bush inherited a great economy, which he nuked by deregulating Wall Street.
Obama inherited that, did all the best to right the ship.
The orange kid-fucker tried taking credit for the state of the economy within months, and got laughed at. his shitty policies and robbing the nation let the economy slip but his complete bumblefuck of COVID lead to another crash
Biden inherited that, did whatever he could but the reds lead by that ancient fuck mitch outright said they would block any and all meaningful legislation just to make him look bad.
orange rapist somehow sleezed his way back in and is now on a blatant power grab, openly embezzling money, and the economy is 1 bad day away from a total collapse...which I am almost expecting.
Why don't right leaning people see this? Because anyone over 40 joyously watches focks nooz, oann and all those other blatant propaganda outlets while the rest listen to blowrogan and other right-winger propaganda podcasts (usually dark-funded by Russia, Israel, etc).
Bush had a lot of other major issues that affected the economy. Mainly being a puppet for his father and the other cronies obsessed with oil in the Middle East. As usual Americas obsession with the Middle East is both hindering and actively destroying us.
Yeah I left out the whole part of Dick using the war for his companies to get no-big contracts. But the biggest one is Wall Street. Because much like COVID, it was at the tail end of his term and left as a mess for the next person to clean up...and ultimately get blamed for
this completely misunderstands their popularity in the first place.
They're alright with that along as its worse to brown people, gays, trans etc who after all are causing all this /,s
that the rich hucksters make away with the bank is a price they're prepared to pay as they put a maga hat on face full of shitty teeth because they can't afford decent dental care.
We've known. But liberal purity politics got us trump anyway. But at least some first world brat can pat themselves on the back and say they didn't support a genocide by voting for a candidate that would not have declare war on Iran. Real good guys, I'll be sure to say thanks as we are all hauled off to a death camp
Vote for this genocide or you get that genocide?
More like same thing except republicans lie to right wingers and democrats lie to right wingers too and ignore leftists. I know genocide doesn’t seem that bad to you but it is a deal breaker for some. Shocking.
No. Instead you get more genocide.
Never. The right controls the media now.
And the Democrats are way too cowardly to change that even if they had complete control of the government.
We had a real chance to start building an economy that works for most people by building on top of the emergency anti-poverty measures COVID forced governments to put in place, but as soon as a Dem moved into the white house again Republicans all suddenly remembered they hate that stuff and Dems figured they'd get applauded for being "responsible" or some bullshit by doing exactly what they wanted (because that worked out so well for us when Obama did austerity, or when Clinton cut welfare, or etc.)
Dems bad!
Dems spineless.
Just read an article that says fox news has about 3x more viewership than CNN or NBC and the article was stating that CNN was up 11%.
I used to worry about this, but these days all of those are right wing trash owned by billionaires. There is marginal difference between them.
They all enabled Trump just to different degrees.
We need to get more people watching independent media online.
The problem is the majority of Americans are still not very involved in Politics at all. They might vote, they might watch the news sometimes, but they don't follow it daily or look into politicians or political events.
The majority of Americans are stupid and apathetic
A significant minority are hateful and vicious
The extreme majority of people know next to nothing about the economy. Their entire knowledgebase is stock and grocery prices.
OLD joke:
Q: What's worse than a "tax-and-spend" Democrat?
A: A "spend-and-spend" Republican.
“When will
Americansconservatives…”More than half the country has already figured this out.
Also, it isn’t about the economy. If it were about the economy, the right would be losing their shit over the wild spending, the exploding deficit, massive spending on ICE and wasteful detention centers, stupid wars driving up energy costs and anything tangential to that, job losses, on and on and on…
It’s not about the economy. It’s about fascism, racism, nationalism, homophobia, misogyny, fake christianity, and all of the rest of the hotbutton issues the Right have effectively captured and turned into an ideology. As long as they have those things delivered to them by the truckload, everything else gets a pass.
Our economy has been vigorously fucked by bOtH pArTiEs for over 50 years. (even Clinton, see NAFTA)
The Ds aren't "cleaning up messes" of their opponents, they're doing damage control for their tag-team mates.
If you sit at the table with Nazis...
Yeah. Democrats are toe the liners.
I still can't decide if the Republican leadership is so hellbent on grift, that they don't care about the overall economic effects, or they really are just that stupid.
Yes.
Meanwhile, in reality (arc)
Biden's "perhaps not firing on all cylinders" economy was crap for poor people. "But whatabout the Republicans" will get you 2-4 years in office to leave your constituency twisting in the wind while you tell them things are actually good, and then your campaigns will collapse just like Harris did and Republicans will win by default yet again.
If you really want to break that cycle, we need better policies and we need to communicate the fact that we understand that Biden's economy was crap. Arguing with the voters that it was actually pretty good is just a ticket out of office.
People were struggling while Biden was in office, sure. But Americans need to learn to wake up, examine the rest of the world, and realize that post COVID economies were struggling everywhere, and Biden had actually done a pretty good job mitigating the damage.
Just because it wasn't great, doesn't mean he didn't do a decent job at making it much less worse that it might have been under the policies, and damage set up by Trumps first term.
Things like tax breaks, legislated to make things harder for the working class after Dems retook office, not because of what the Dems did, but close enough for them to blame the Dems.
And it worked. It always works.
Yeah, if you look at many stats things started getting worse under Trump, accelerated due to Covid, then peaked midway through Bidens term, and continued to get better until Trump took back over. Under Trump most stats have stagnate or gotten worse (inflation, wage growth, debt, etc.).
Except household hunger measures started to improve in 2021 (arc) but then they reversed course and got worse every other year Biden was in office, in large part because he terminated enhanced UI and killed stimulus checks and a bunch of other pandemic aid that never should have ended. Americans didn't suffer under Biden because of COVID, it was intentional policy choices his administration made because they wanted to say things were "back to normal".
If you look at food insecurity year over year, it seems like the 2021 trend was probably more tied to inflation than anything else (as you can see it plateau when inflation leveled off) - https://www.ers.usda.gov/topics/food-nutrition-assistance/food-security-in-the-us/key-statistics-graphics
I would argue Biden was doing a lot more for the people than Trump is currently. The real issue is that proper policy takes time to enact and sometimes longer to have an effect.
"It wasn't the boat sinking that made all those people drown, it was the water rising." - captain shortly before mutiny
Typically we judge people on how they handle the event and not the event themselves.
Trump isn't blamed for covid, but how he handled it. Biden shouldn't be blamed for inflation (it was bound to happen given covid spending), but how he addressed it.
Not to mention, the affordability crisis were facing is not the the result of any one president's or congress' actions, but a consistent systemic issue with both.
How he addressed it was by cutting enhanced unemployment insurance and dropping plans for stimulus checks. edit - while also pursuing an infrastructure bill that pumped a ton of money into businesses
No kidding, and yet here we are arguing underneath an article pretending the Democratic party doesn't have this policy problem
Agreed. In my opinion, the problem is that the Democrats are trying to be the party of both labor and wealth. They are financially beholden the very billionaires that are making life unaffordable for normal people.
Sure the Republicans are far worse in every respect, but the Democrats have no incentive to make the economy work for people like us when it is easier to chase billionaire donors for campaign funds. Once they're captured by capital they don't want to bite the hand that feeds them, so that means wealthy interests are far overrepresented in the halls of power.
The median voter will never realize. They will always forget and eventually get scammed again. I haven't made peace with this, and feel a kind of grief about it, but it's the truth. We are trapped in this cycle of idiocy.
This is why a large part of me wishes you had to pass some kind of baseline intelligence test to vote. I regularly go on nextdoor to discuss local politics and basically every argument with a conservative feels like arguing with a mentally handicapped person. They only read headlines and aren't smart enough to question their sources of information.
Recently they were up in arms because the conservative paper claimed the mayor's office wasn't being transparent. Actually reading the article it says the reporter requested an interview on the spot and halfway through it an assistant told the mayor they need to move on. Not even noteworthy but it was enough to get the trolls riled up
I totally get what you're saying. Nextdoor really is an unpleasant view into how unintelligent everyday people are. I've seen it too. I try to be a humanist but they make it hard.
If we prioritize education they fail. That's why they attack public education with everything they have.
On the other hand, during Jim Crow they had poll tests that were weaponized to keep black people from voting.
Yup, that's why I said a part of me. The other part understands that ultimately it would be twisted and used as a barrier against "the undesirables."
Education is definitely a great weapon to combat the oligarchs manipulation but we're not even funding it correctly currently in the US. It'll take generations to rightsize and we'd still be dealing with a large amount of stupid people who no amount of education would help.
The real fix would actually be REQUIRED voting from your phone. Most people hate the Republicans. They win because they cheat, when more people vote their shitty ideas and candidates get obliterated
A little late now. We're heading for Great Depression 2.0, and Republicans are in charge for the foreseeable future.
They've been doing that since the 60s, right?
I think Republicans define "the economy" as the stock market, even the temporarily embarrassed millionaires.
It would help if the media stopped assisting them with their campaigns every cycle.
They cant think
They will realize about 50 years to late…
Depends on what you mean by "the economy". Generally things like the stock market improve. However the stock market is not necessarily reflective of the economic experience of the typical American, and its usually because they deregulate and fuck up all kinds of other shit in the process.
Republican voters don’t give a shit.
Republicans will have a place in America as long as people are racist. Every other aspect just serves to let some white people feel superior.
The Government of Putin voters never will, because they're either greedy or plain dumb. The comment below mine, from "jtrek" is spot on, especially his 4th remark.
There is no economy, power is an illusion
2002f for me
Depend fo who.
You're talking about people that think Obama was in office during 911
Carter inherited the terrible Nixon economy (following Ford), Clinton inherited the GWH Bush "malaise," Obama inherited the GW Bush Great Recession, and Biden inherited both a terrible Trump economy, but also an unmanaged deadly pandemic.
Every Democrat in modern times has inherited a terrible Republican economy, while ever Republican has inherited a relatively stable economy, and ruined it.
Republicans have also added far more to the national debt as well. It was estimated that Trump would be responsible for 55% of the National Debt, but that was before his war. It will undoubtedly be higher now.
Trump has already ensured that nobody is going to vote red
You're severely underestimating the "yeah it's bad, but imagine how much worse it would be with Kamala" crowd.
What planet are you from? 38% of the population approve of Trump and his actions.
Laughs in Obama spending spree that pushed public debt to >100% levels.
But hey, he just fucked next generation, that's not your problem.
I'll preface this by saying he should have taxed the fucking rich to close the gap, but that said, he was pretty much gonna have to spend a shitload of money. That's the consequence of inheriting the 2008 crash. Economic stimulation by government spending is like the typical solution to an economic disaster. Had he not inherited 8 years of Bush, he almost certainly would have spent less. To be fair to Bush, if I remember right and I might not, I think some of the causes of the 2008 crash came from earlier, but I'm fuzzy on the details now. Bush also watched the problem metastasize for 8 years without doing a damn thing in the best case, though, so not much credit due to him.
So yeah, Obama racked up a ton of debt, but he did a lot of it cleaning up the mess of predecessors. He should have taxed the piss out of the rich, especially since they're the ones who both manufactured and profited off the disaster, but fuck, NOBODY in the US government seems willing to even entertain the idea.
There's always an "important" reason to overspend. Trump went spending spree during COVID pushing debt to GDP into 130% levels temporarily. Yet most of the world went through the same turmoil without turning their finances into junkie credit card level of bad. Fuck must of EU hods debts within reasonable margins while having state run healthcare and supporting Ukraine war efforts as of late.
A lot of the covid spending was supposed to be loans, not permanent expenses, though. But then Trump gutted the oversight of the loans and made it easy for businesses to plunder the funds and then get the loans forgiven.
I bet you clap with your fingers spread
I do have to say, I don't usually buy eggs but I bought them for the first time in long time the other day and I think they were<$3
Rent, gas, and all other cost of living, including price of all other groceries, is absolutely out of control. But gotta hand it to the Republicans (and maybe something like a rebound effect of overshooting estimated demand following massive culling due to repeated outbreaks bird flu over the last year), eggs weren't $5.
I guess there also might have been a sale on eggs at the grocery store when I or something. Idk, don't really buy eggs very often anymore, so who's to say? The important point is. This isn't sleepy joes economy. /s ⬅️Will leave this here jic people don't remember the same memes as me circa Fall 2024.
Every goddamn time the Republicans are in charge, they break the economy, and the best you can cite is some made-up anecdote about how you just happened to buy cheaper eggs today?
Who do you imagine you fool with stuff like this?
I was a joke/reference to $5 eggs people kept complaining about in "Biden's economy" just before the 2024 elections. As in, I wish we could go back to $5 eggs so I could afford to put gas in the car and actually buy groceries
In the meantime, Democrats will lie about the condition of the economy. Tell us we are thriving when our own experiences tell us we're struggling. Anyone believes that Democrats gives a fuck any more than Republicans is a propagandized fool.
What a stupid thing to say.
My favorite part about talking to the extreme left is the way they always seem so in love with the extreme right.
You know the point I lost all respect for the opinions of Lemmy leftists? It's when I got into an argument with the top mod of a major leftist community (who says she's trans in her about page), about the treatment trans people would get under a second Trump term.
Her stance in short? To paraphrase, "Democrats worse than Republicans, who cares what happens to trans people in America, I'm not American." Ffs.
It's sad that I don't even doubt that happened. A lot of mentally ill people use this platform. I've got a lot of issues myself, but one of them is not being utterly divorced from reality by choice.
yup. all they had to do was the minimum harm reduction, but nope... had to wreck the planet because they couldn't get their way.
Democrats are worse than Republicans. Republicans will tell you to your face if they hate you. Democrats will act as an ally co-opt the language of the marginalized to control their movements, and then stab you in the back legislatively.
For what it's worth, much of the rest of the world agrees with you. What you're saying is quite obvious outside the influence of 24/7 US propaganda. I lived in the US for nearly a decade and was astounded by the fervent support for the Democrats despite their steady march to the right and betrayal of their constituents in the name of bipartisanship.
Your two parties employ the good cop/bad cop routine on a national scale. Should you opt for the good cop over the bad? Absolutely, because anyone who refuses to engage in damage control is an idiot, but you mustn't forget they're both cops and on the same team. The good cop is only being helpful because they want something, so they'll do as much as they need to get it and will ultimately side with the bad cop over you to please their bosses: American oligarchs.
Be smart with your vote and choose the good cop, but don't stop there. Work to kick both cops the fuck out, end your police state, and wrest control of the country from the oligarchs orchestrating the entire farce.
There is no such thing as a good cop or damage control. Damage control is liberal myth that suggests a slow painful death is better than a rapid one. In both scenarios you are dead.
"degrees of severity are a liberal myth" is the new most braindead take anyone has ever uttered
Now you're just being stupid. As much as I disagree with all the libs lambasting you here, you're just an ostensibly more progressive version of daft.
You know all about faking viewpoints don't you
Please larp somewhere other than my replies.
Does it trigger cognitive dissonance? It was my comment that started this thread, it would be YOU in my replies
yeah the dems would have bombed iran, and venezula, and strangled cuba.... sure buddy.
the twists you have to tie yourself into believing this garbage is hilarious.
all politicians suck, but the gop is actively trying to kill you, and you chose to enable them.
Anyone who rejects objective differences though? Absolutely brilliant. Better than everyone else.
The Democrats? It’s the Democrats who do this? Are we taking crazy pills??
Both of Biden's White House Press Secretary stood in front of the press every day talking about how great the economy is that this working class are not struggling. In the meantime, we had the highest increase of homelessness ever recorded, the highest percentage of people living paycheck to paycheck. The highest level of auto repossession since 2008. The largest and fastest growing segment of the homeless are the elderly. Democrats do not give a flying fuck about the working class any more than Republicans do.
I don't think you're arguing in good faith
I dont think you know what that term means
I definitely do
Your obsession with saying that the Dems are just as shit as the republicans smells off to me
Yes, the Dems are shit. Those of us in the civilised world see them quite far right
But it's absurd to pretend that the Dems are anywhere near as bad as the Republicans
Hence it seems like you have a reason to whip up anti-dem sentiment
ie. You aren't arguing in good faith
Shit is shit regardless who it's from and should never be tolerated or accepted.